Visiting the US from the UK originally, i think we are lucky that gun control here works. Maybe its the fact we're an island, but that doesn't mean that every other country shouldn't do gun control just because its hard to enforce. In America, the civilian population have so many guns that the police is forced to start an arms race just to keep up, and (no shit, the police are winning, they have military grade equipment because the open market allows civilians to own military grade equipment) Its funny, the people so worried about the government becoming a dictatorship own guns and scare the government/police into acting just like one because they have the perfect excuse.
People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
YES there will always be crazy people, but put a crazy man in a room with a gun and he will kill a lot more people than if he had a knife. We get very few mass shootings, the last one was a couple of years ago and our entire country was on alert, the guy didn't have a military grade assault rifle however so he only managed to kill a couple of people. people go on about the fact that the murderers in Paris felt they could shoot people because there aren't any armed citizens, but then america is full of armed citizens and there are mass shootings all the time. AND we just heard that france has a lot of guns! So the pro-gun people always try and have it both ways. All in all you have to ask who profits from lots of guns, and the answer to that is obviously people who make guns. question the motives of the people who tell you that more guns is ok, because they clearly have something to gain from it.
God that fucking picture triggers me.
If that's true then the first amendment wasn't meant for the internet, only for the written press . Which is a retarded argument to make.
>>55462899
>Usually survivable even at close range
>>55463065
Also you could own artillery back then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
>>55463065
You are trying to compare 2 completely different things. One is a form of communication and the other is a form of death and violence. Seriously, I cannot understand why you would ever want a gun when it has been proven over and over that more guns = more deaths. Less guns = less deaths. I get that you yanks have a shitty education system, but come off it this is just common sense.
>>55463396
And full on warships on par with any national navy
That image is fucking retarded. That was cutting edge military hardware. It doesn't matter that it was a muzzle loader, it was one of the most efficient killing machines that had ever been created (at that point). It changed everything about how wars were fought.
If we want to be fair, it would be the equivalent of owning a machine gun today.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
GUN CONTROL WILL NEVER WORK
Trust me, I could kill a lot more people with pipebombs I could make with products I have at home than a gun. Gun control doesn't work, kill yourself, kek
>>55462899
faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwy9OWfnAM
>>55462899
>durr the law should not apply to the evolution of weapons tech LOL XD
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
friendly reminder; country britbongs still own weapons
a couple of men from ww2 still own their STEN guns and lee enfields without licence
feelsgoodman
>>55463690
>You are trying to compare 2 completely different things.
>One is a form of communication and the other is a form of death and violence.
I mean, come on!
>>55463690
>the other is a form of death and violence.
It's a form of protection. Most people who buy guns buy them not because they want to kill someone, but because they want to protect their families. Telling them to cry in a corner while waiting for the police isn't acceptable. And there's no correlation between gun and murders.
But most violent crime is done by niggers.
>>55462899
The thing that's stupid, because at the time that shit was a thing, actual standing armies slaughtered militias 9/10.
Cavalry, artillery and a logistics train made dudes with guns a stupid meme that nobody sane thought would be able to fight an actual army.
>>55462899
Kill yourself degenerate scum.
>>55463690
>One is a form of hate speech and the other is a form of death and violence
FTFY
>>55462899
>>55462899
I stopped reading at "gun control works here" you have to be kidding me
This is b8
Dangerous freedom is infinitely preferable to safe tyranny. And the Founder's weren't stupid, they knew military tech was advancing (puckle guns), they could also look at history and see that we had advanced.
Just because it was 239 years ago doesn't mean the Founders were any less intelligent.
>>55462899
>>55462899
Bugger off, Bloomberg shill
>>55463690
Those arms were also on par with what the army had at the time. The guys who wrote that weren't retards, they knew tech would evolve
>>55463918
>made dudes with guns a stupid meme that nobody sane thought would be able to fight an actual army.
DANIEL MORGAN
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>>55463690
Can you explain this graph to me then?
You do realize that while England is a gun free county, stabbings occur: regularlywww.parliament.uk/.../SN04304.pdf
>>55463690
But seriously, Mohammad, you need to look at some of the things you say.
>Less guns = less deaths
Find me a chart that has a correlation between guns per person and gun related deaths.
Good luck.
>>55462899
>People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
Inaccurate. You -maybe- are only going have less homicides caused with guns acquired through legal means, which account for a small portion of gun related deaths.
Criminals, who are responsible for the vast majority of homicides, are still going to get their hands on them, regardless of their legality. And non criminals are going to find other less-effective way to kill and still get the job done equally.
>YES there will always be crazy people, but put a crazy man in a room with a gun and he will kill a lot more people than if he had a knife.
If i remember correctly the worst massacre on US soil before 9/11 was the Oklahoma City bombing. Done with a fertilizer bomb crafted by a home schooled redneck. All in '95, when the internet wasn't a big thing yet, and information was not accessible as today. Today a determined madman with amateur level knowledge of chemistry can easily craft RDX, PETN and other devastating high grade explosives. If you want to kill a lot of people you don't really need guns.
>>55464223
>gun related deaths
Nearly shot myself in the foot there. Gun related deaths include suicide, which shouldn't count for obvious reasons. So change that to gun homicides.
>>55462899
Thing is USA doesn't have a gun problem, it has a nigger problem
>>55462899
The uk had more deaths after gun control senpai, just fewer gun deaths
Now abdul doernt need a gun to kill your effeminate countrymen
>>55462899
It's a difference in thought.
>people don't understand that less guns means less deaths
This is the main difference. Cu.cks like you think about the whole of society but here in America it's about individual liberty. this is the main difference that goes into all American way of thinking. So have fun in America and go back to your own country where you fit in.
And that pic is shitty bait.
>>55464042
It actually does, just look at the lower gun death rate in the UK.
>>55463843
Funny because it's always old men that are owning them, too edgy to let go of the past eh?
>>55464211
>>55464223
Because statistics are never wrong right? Seriously, you people are so gullible and will believe anything with numbers on it and the words "correlation", pathetic.
>>55464369
As always, blatant racism pops up in threads like this. I wonder if you only own guns in murica because you simply don't like blacks and fantasize about killing them?
>>55464575
In the UK you have more freedom than in murica, good try though.
anybody who wants to commit a massacre will find a way to do it, gun or not.
heck, a maniac behind the wheel of a car can really cause death and destruction.
imagine them driving a car onto a playground during recess.
>>55462899
no it doesnt
>>55464627
What is wrong about the statistics then? I asked you to explain it. The sources are right there.
>>55462899
>That image
>Implying that the men who built this nation were not smart enough to anticipate advances in firearms
Anti gun faggots need to step it up, there are better arguments they can use
>>55464627
>Funny because it's always old men that are owning them
Gee, I wonder why that is?
>>55462899
>implying that when the 2nd amendment was written it wasn't common to own an armed frigate.
>the founding fathers allowed you enough firepower to sink a ship.
>Does Gun Control In Europe Work?
Yes. Look what they did to Germany and Germans didn't offer the slightest resistance.
>Inaccurate
>survivable
>99 seconds to reload
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMbxZ1k9NQ
>>55464627
>As always, blatant racism pops up in threads like this.
>complaining about racism on /pol/
evrytiem
>>55464627
Shitbrit, you have NO FUCKING IDEA how badly most White Americans fantasize about killing coons. Why wouldn't we? Haven't you seen the Mizzou threads lately? That is what Black America IS.
Take Pakis, remove the little work ethic they have, add a shamefully stratospheric entitlement mentality, and drop the IQ 15 points. With a shitload of body fat to taste, you'll see why we hate them so.
> OP not into research/study of existing materials.
>>55464902
>>55464649
>anybody who wants to commit a massacre will find a way to do it, gun or not.
This, Breivik set up and ran a legitimate business for years in order to purchase the chemicals for his bomb without arousing suspicion.
Several poundland bikelocks (for fire exits) and a few liters of petrol can easily cause more mass deaths that a shooter can.
> muskets
> less harmful than modern guns.
Yeah, no.
>>55464627
If you are correct, a decrease in the number of guns per person would imply less crime (for the most part).
You said it yourself. Pure mathematics. More guns = More crime and Less guns = Less crime.
I simply want you to prove that it is true and that there is a correlation ( preferably of -0,5 and above) between gpp and gun homicides (once again, gun related deaths should not count).
>>55464627
Common sense is not an empirically acceptable source, sorry.
You haven't supplied any legitimate evidence, and you resort to ad hom attacks against those who provide it to you.
Nice work. Very convincing.
>>55465028
>above
My bad. Meant to say less.
>>55464902
Imagine if a shooter used several cap'n'ball revolvers, just discarding each when it was empty.
It would be worth it to see the "muh high capacity 30 caliber magazine clips" brigade come out after that.
>>55462899
No it doesnt. Plain and simple. You get stabbed and there's literally nothing you can do about it.
It doesnt really matter if you get murdered by a gun or by a knife. What matters is your chance to defend yourself and in Europe that chance is 0.
Also, why dont anti-gunner idiots look at South America for gun control results? Is it because it doesnt work at all over there or is it because it proves that not the guns, but people are the problem?
>>55464627
That's your only rhetoric?
>we have more freedoms
You obviously don't. And you been cu.cked into criminalizing yourself just because other people commit wrong doings. And it's something that's been happening here in America as more and more people are becoming dependent on the federal government. but it's also waking up a lot of people as more and more people are realizing what's going on.
>>55464213
GL having a stabbing massacre
>>55465146
well in a country that has designated town rapists, yeah, but in more civilized countries it actually doesn't matter.
>>55463902
>ban niggers and spics instead of guns
>violence in USA drops by 90%
>>55462899
You're right its better to become helpless sheep, no evil people would ever be involved in politics and fuck powerless people over for profit
>>55464627
Is not racism when is the truth
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
>>55462899
>People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
People like you don't seem to understand that "less guns = less deaths" is not the be all end all of Good Things (TM)
To be quite there are too many of us anyway.
>>55462899
>Usually survivable even at close range
I MEAN COME OOOOOOOON
>>55462899
>usually survivable even at close range
Fucking retard.
OP does not speak for all brits.
Free the guns!
When will we ban these 15th century rapid fire handheld assault cannons? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXkUA0KFNY
>>55465231
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan_Yanming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiguan_kindergarten_attack
SHAMEFUR DISPRAY.
>>55465512
You don't speak for all brits
we got hunting rifles that's enough
one i just made
I'm all for gun rights and I've got quite a collection of my own, but lets be honest here. A musket is in no way comparable to the amount of firepower that we have now. 3 shots in 46 seconds? Why are you guys even arguing this? Even with a semi automatic you're going to easily fire 2 every second.
>>55462899
>ninety seconds to load (with practice)
As if the image wasn't fucking disinfo enough.
>>55465585
Trump to the rescue
>>55465512
WOO!
>>55462899
>90s to load
Nice meme, everyone who knows anything about muskets also knows that the average British redcoat could easily squeeze off 4-5 shots per minute.
t. Bernard Cornwell
Redcoat pls go home
>>55464838
Same reason why it was old people clinging to racism in the 70s and 60s? Do they not teach history anymore in your part of murica?
>>55464649
Guns make it so much easier though. With a car I seriously doubt you're gonna kill that many children if any at all when your car gets stuck on the jungle gym.
>>55463877
Complete bullshit excuse from someone that watches too many action movies and thinks, "oh hur dur look that could happen to me one day!"
You muricans are sick in the head.
>>55465069
Here's some basic logic.
>have gun
>go into school
>kill 20 people
>no gun
>have knife
>go into school
>kill far fewer people
Can that murican brain of yours comprehend what I'm trying to say?
>>55465323
Or... you can run away or call the police like a civilized people? Honestly, do you REALLY think that taking someone's life is justified when all they want is your wallet or your tv? Delusional.
>>55465375
Try taking a class or 2 on sociology to understand why this is the case? Don't post big statistics you don't understand :)
>>55465585
Anecdotal evidence just makes you look stupid, just saying.
>>55462899
>90 seconds for muzzle loading flintlock
Pretty awful practice desu smd senpaitachi
>>55464198
As I said, nobody sane.
And then when Canada tore you a new asshole you realize you were being retarded and stopped.
>>55464627
i wish i could neuter you shilly assholes remotely
jewneu /pol/ 55464627 --full-service
>>55465254
I agree ususally bad stuff happens in real countries not in bullshit non-countries founded after 1990.
Anyway, im glad you admitted that its the people that are responsible for gun violence, not the guns, so therefore the entire argument about gun control is stupid.
>>55465742
>It's okay, not AS many people died :^)))))
Friendly reminder that the reason /pol/ should be deleted is because it takes 70+ replies for somebody to reply with pic related.
>>55465742
>Anecdotal
Spot the illegal immigrant
>>55465231
There been several , lot of them are higher body counts than guns.
>>55464627
Oh god that while post is horrid.
1: more gun control equals yes less gun deaths because then suicides move to something else and oddly enough every place that implement more gun control usually gets a spike in violent/non violent crime and people use other objects than a gun.
2: everyone is racist you prick , being a Latino who owns guns I own them just because I saw how fucked it was when I lived in L.A and if shit goes down I rather die fighting than die cowarding. Also because dindu jaquan, white trash jerry and Jose the mower wants my shit.
3: satistics are as valuable as those who run them because FBI can't be trusted right?
4: look at my AK , it's fun to shoot.
>>55463690
why not just say 9 guns for every 10 americans? are you using large numbers to intentionally try to spook people? Also nice biased sources there friend.
also
>remove blacks from the equation and watch the numbers plummet
>>55462899
>YES there will always be crazy people, but put a crazy man in a room with a gun and he will kill a lot more people than if he had a knife.
That crazy man won't kill anybody if a few armed people in the room SHOOT AND KILL HIM before he can get started, or finish the job.
Why can't anti-gun pussies understand that?
Cowards, all of them.
Fuck off with your bullshit post, OP.
>>55465305
Cold hard facts that the media and the left ignore.
Irony of course being with the massive crime rate drop that would ensue, there would be far less guns in the homes of whites..
>>55462899
give up
we will never look to your surveillance police state for advice
russia gave up their guns in bolshevik revolution then 60 million christians were slaughtered by communist jews
even putin recommends we dont give up our guns
>>55465742
Wow, and you think I'm the simple minded one?
If you sincerely believe that gun control will prevent criminals from obtaining guns, you're naive.
Ideally your scenario would play out the way you'd like it to, but that's not how the world works.
Furthermore, you did repeated the ad hom without evidence pattern I described before. Answer this: Do you have any genuine empirical evidence to support your position or not?
>>55465742
I couldn't help but notice you missed my post. Maybe you did it on purpose so your charade could continue.
Nevertheless, you should look at it.
>>55462899
>that image
Are people really that dumb?
>>55465742
>Complete bullshit excuse from someone that watches too many action movies and thinks, "oh hur dur look that could happen to me one day!"
You are deluded if you believe this kind of thing doesn't happen.(the wrong part of action movies is the survival rate when it happens)
>>55465742
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/
Because only guns cause 100+ wounded and 29 dead.
>>55465742
>only old white men own guns
Go to a gun range in a state that isn't overwhelming white. You will find lots of people that aren't white owning guns.
It's Veterans Day today and here in California at my gun range it was a huge mix of people. Hispanics,whites, Asians, this Norwegian guy who brought his fine 17 year old daughter and his 10 years old daughter. And yes there were old white guys with lots of guns because they literally been buying guns for decades.
>>55462899
Then why nobody removed it when they invented shit like the Colt?
Oh wait cuz they aren't pussyfags like you.
>>55466062
i like how everybody blamed charlie hebdo on america when they used ak 47s and niggerville is right across the lake
nah bro
those cant be from monkey land
>>55465742
>discards statistics
>discards anecdotes
>only accepts his own feelings as evidence
Just find a way to remove yourself from the gene pool you retard. If you don't accept reality when it's presented to you, don't try and act like your opinion of how those who live in it matters.
>>55462899
This is why we kicked your asses out the first time.
Remember when you country said no we don't need you weapons to defend our homes against the Nazis, we don't want them?
That's right, because it didn't fucking happen.
Now stop enjoying our freedoms and get her worthless ass back to ol blighty.
>>55463259
that triggers me too, even the smoke could kill you at close range
>>55463690
You do understand that the same people who want to ban your guns because they're too powerful also want to ban what you post on the internet because it's too powerful.
>>55462899
>People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
Kek, less pools = less drownings. Go back to the UK and stay.
>>55465079
>Imagine if a shooter used several cap'n'ball revolvers, just discarding each when it was empty.
Sounds rather expensive.
>>55462899
if less guns = less murder
then shouldnt less muslims = less rape
you removed guns england
isnt it time you removed kebab?
why must i share a country with such terrible posters as OP
>>55462899
>Usually survivable at close range
NO IT'S NOT YOU FLAMING FAGGOT
>>55462899
redcoats could fire their muskest 3-4 times a minute, dunno where the fuck once every 1.5 minutes comes from
The how come no one was asking for gun bans when the Percussion rifle was produced around the civil war, it still has a long reload time but the delay between trigger pull and the gunpowder firing was much less and the chances of the gun not firing using percussion caps probaly lower than what it is with your common weapon today. How come no one was asking to ban rifled guns which was also made around the civil war, it made guns much more accurate. How come no one asked for bans on repeating firearms when they were produced, again around the civil war. How come no one asked for bans on bolt action rifle, they were much more reliable and usually had a longer barrel which means better accuracy than the common lever action. The bolt actions also used much larger ammunition. Remind me how many people wanted to ban semi-autos when they were released to the public. Even during the time of full autos there weren't that many people asking for bans. But guns all the sudden are now the problem.
>>55466062
Is that why we have no gun massacres like you do? Ya, it DOES work, FACT.
>>55465028
Ya I would, but then again I try as I might there really is no credible statistic that shows that there IS a correlation between gun ownership and murder.
>fyi I'm pro guns and I own 2 pistols and 3 rifles
It was fun everybody, didn't expect this thread to take off like it did!
>>55462899
>military grade equipment
Like high capacity assault clipazines?
Also they had gatling guns and cannons when the 2nd amendment was written, and people were allowed to own those privately.
>>55462899
Fuck you traitor. If you weren't protected by the very document that you attack, we'd have you exiled or strung up for treason.
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Also
>Switzerland
>>55466569
>The how come no one was asking for gun bans when the Percussion rifle was produced around the civil war.
They did want gun bans back then, only the gun bans were specifically targeted against black people and immigrants. Gun control is always a way to control people.
>>55463690
>guns designed to kill
>cars not designed to kill
>more people die in auto accidents every year in american than by guns
Either someone is making shitty guns, or someone's making high capacity assault cars,
>>55466569
how many people wanted to ban tommy guns when al pacino was running the town
>>55466650
america hasnt had a gun massacre in ages
a massacre is like 20+ people dead
this stuff in the news is barely homicide
>>55462899
>less guns is better
>>55466671
still allowed to own a gatling gun
costs more than a million so they arent used in bank robberies too much considering u gotta be filthy rich to buy it and at that point it would be making a forceful withdrawal not really stealing
>>55466650
FYI I wouldn't care if you were being raped by Mohammad right now.
>there really is no credible statistic that shows that there IS a correlation between gun ownership and murder
epic.
>>55462899
This is bullshit, they had way more weaponry back then, not just lolmuskets. I'm talking about machine guns. Fucking britcuc.k, fuck off and go suck off Jamal and ahmed
>>55466728
> more people die from drug overdoses every year than from guns.
> ban drugs.
> more people still die from drug overdoses every year.
> Problem is fixed.
>>55466831
muhammad was a gr8 man and dindu nuffin, he and his sand people are just misunderstood.
>>55462899
At the time, this was the deadliest and most powerful weapon a person could weild to kill the most amount of people in the shortest amount of time anywhere
>>55466831
that isnt credible
that amount of nignogs in a state will affect it as well
i dont see them taking the lesser races into account in the pic
>>55462899
No, common sense in Europe works. The level of consumerism and completely idiotic gun culture in the states is staggering.
>>55465742
>Same reason why it was old people clinging to racism in the 70s and 60s? Do they not teach history anymore in your part of murica?
And they were ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
Those "racists" were telling us all the TRUTH, and the niggers prove that every fucking year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st4IHokD4Jc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wanGzO9B_NM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbhBsAv4gAY
They have NO place living in our society, and should be deported to live among their own kind, or isolated from white society.
>>55462899
Repeating arms were invented well before the second amendment.
If our founding fathers meant muskets, they would have said muskets. They werent stupid.
When the founders wrote the first amendment...
... This was the "press" they were referring to. Hours to set up, slow to distribute, controlled by only a few wealthy people.
See how that works? If you think that the right to keep and bear arms only applies to the arms of the 1700's, the same "logic" must apply to the first amendment too. So no free speech on the internet, on your computer, your text messages, or anything other than 1700's printing presses.
>>55465742
Why don't you move to Europe if you think it's so great? Clearly you don't like the US.
>>55467125
lol
its funny that they fuck up police cars
theyll pay for it themselves with their taxes
some city had to raise the property taxes to pay for the legal fees for the cops cuz the chimpouts they had
>>55462899
>le musket
It took 20 seconds to load a musket, which could hit a man accurately at 50 yards, and the musket balls had the tenancy to shatter bones rather than break them like modern bullets. Contrary to Hollywood-tier "lol they were lopping off limbs back then, what savages", a repro musketball impacting your leg today would in all likelihood still require amputation.
>We get very few mass shootings, the last one was a couple of years ago and our entire country was on alert, the guy didn't have a military grade assault rifle however so he only managed to kill a couple of people
Are you talking about the time when the old British taxi driver with a double-barreled shotgun and 5-shot .22 caliber rifle (who passed all background and mental health checks to accrue these weapons) killed 12 people? Yes he killed 12 people, the same number that the Aurora shooting and Columbine claimed, and almost double the frog-poster shooting, ALL WITH A .22 AND A DOUBLE-BARRELED SHOT GUN, NO AR-15, NO GLOCK, OR ANY SEMI-AUTOMATIC.
Face it, mass shootings are going to happen. And even if your magical liberal gun logic worked, and there no longer no mass shootings, guess what: there would still be elements in society that are bugfuck crazy that would instead turn to arson attacks (Happy Land fire, 87 killed), mass stabbings (Osaka school massacre, 8 dead), chemical attacks (Tokyo Subway incident, 12 dead) bombings (OKC bombing, 168 dead).
You can't take the crazy (or the murder) out of humanity. It will always be there: we instead must try to restrain it, by getting mental help to those that need it.
>>55465742
Here's some even more basic logic.
>have gun
>go into school
>kill 20 people
>no gun
>acquire it through non-legal means.
>go into school
>kill 20 people
>no gun
>make a bomb
>drop it into school
>kill 20 people, or even more.
>you can run away or call the police like a civilized people?
Sure... and when I have called them they are going to materialize themselves out of thin air after a few second, just in time to arrest the wild pack of nig-nogs who entered my home to rob it and possibly harm me and my family.
>Honestly, do you REALLY think that taking someone's life is justified when all they want is your wallet or your tv?
Nope. I believe that, if I'm being robbed, it is my right to defend my propriety. To do so, I need to have the most effective and reasonable means to intimidate an aggressor and make him desist, and, if that doesn't work and he comes after my life, to defend myself. In modern society those means are called guns.
>>55466650
Yes you get less gun massacres but in return you get more violent crime and more people are dead by the end of the day. Move to the UK if you hate guns so much.
>>55467202
When the founders wrote the constitution...
...These were the "peoples" they were referring to. White.
>>55462899
You do know trained line infantry could shoot like five rounds a minute, yes?
Why must liberals insist on speaking about matters they haven't even researched... it boggles my mind, honestly. No, OP, no, our 'gun control' doesn't work. It just puts the vulnerable in an even more vulnerable position. Ex-servicemen should be allowed the right to bear arms, imagine the difference to Lee Rigby's life.
>>55467409
>theyll pay for it themselves with their taxes
Those niggers aren't going to pay for shit.
It's the WHITES that will end up footing the bill.
>>55462899
>usually survivable even at close range
wut
>>55464627
>>55463690
Nice hypocrisy
You posted your statistics but refuse to acknowledge someone else's
>>55465742
>no gun
>be criminal
>find one on black market
>kill 20 people
It's like you never learned about prohibition
>>55467588
>>Honestly, do you REALLY think that taking someone's life is justified when all they want is your wallet or your tv?
This argument is among the funniest that leftist cowards often bring up when they cry about guns.
How the fuck do you know all they want is your wallet / money / car / television?
You DON'T...unless you can read minds, which I can't.
I gives a fuck about your life if you threaten me for ANY g'damn reason, because by threatening me, you've made it perfectly clear you don't care about mine. Period.
I saw a video once, where a bastard is running with a knife on a poor peasant who was walking on the sidewalk.
The peasant, while recoiling, took his gun and shot the bastard.
But, what would have happen if the peasant didn't have a gun for shooting the bastard and save his life? Would he run away , taking his phone to call the cops with this bastards who run after it ?
Well, if this should happen to me one time, i have nothing exept my fist to defend myself.
Hope that's enough...
>gun control totally works guys! I swear! my socialist politcians told me it does so that must be true!
>>55466650
>Is that why we have no gun massacres like you do?
We never had a single school shooting in our history cupcake.
And unlike bongs, we can own handguns or even skerry salt rifles with high capacity assault clips.
>>55466831
>dat Louisiana outlier
Gets me every fucking time
>>55462899
RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE IT SAYS MUSKETS
>>55462899
Yes, but only because europeans want to be controlled.
>>55466831
>mfw cherry picked data, no D.C.
>>55462899
>>55462899
>homicide rates have increased steadily
>"works"
KEEP ON SUCKING THAT BIG BLACK DICK
>>55462899
See this shit? See it? This is why nobody respects Bongs.
>>55463396
>>55463710
Still can.
>>55462899
>People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
Don't try and explain simple logic to North Americans, they'll start shouting "muh gunz, muh govmnt tkn over, muh psychosis" etc.
>>55462899
John Oliver?
>>55462899
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11803329/Seven-charged-after-UKs-largest-ever-weapons-cache-seizure-in-Kent.html
http://www.guns.com/2015/09/09/australia-police-flabbergasted-by-20-gun-collection-left-behind/
>>55462899
>when the founders implemented the second amendment, they were referring to the most deadly personal firearm available at the time
questions, gun grabbers?
>>55469241
Don't you have a mosque to build?
>>55463690
Way more people die from high capacity assault cars than guns. why not ban those first mr fascist?
>>55462899
>People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150911/summer-2015-new-record-for-gun-sales
>>55469241
Don't try to logic with a Brit, they can't do it.
>>55469424
>>55463719
No, the Girandoni air rifle would be the machine gun of those times.
>>55469679
Best thing to do is slap the offending Bong on the snout and tell him what a bad dog he is.
>>55463719
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belton_flintlock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle
>deaths
Every time
>>55470199
It's true. Even Neil DeGrasse Tyson spouts it.
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/663737372379619328
>>55462899
>usually survivable even at close range
> People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
I agree.
That's why I have always been a strong advocate for a nation-wide car ban.
You don't need a car. Public transportation is available. Or you can take a cab, or a bike.
People don't seem to understand that less cars = less deaths.
I want muh freedums back.
>>55470703
I like this logic
BAN ALL CARS
CARS KILL PEOPLE
>>55462899
Your post is full of lies and misinformation.
I'd bother to correct you, but your not paid to deal with the truth.
I am inspired to discuss weapons with a coworker and invite them into the gun hobby. This will increase the size of my friends and associate network and spread the pro-gun ideology in a impactful and meaningful way.
I think I will do this every time I see a thread of similar caliber.
>>55463259
Pretty easy to survive if it misses you, I guess.
>>55462899
>survive able at close range
Completely false, even a minor wound was a death sentence in most cases.
>>55462899
>People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
for better or worse, weapons are part of the world we live in, friend. Better a world where good people AND bad people can get them, not just bad people and the government.
>>55470566
People in the olden days had a much larger tolerance toward gunshot wounds than we do today.
You didn't know this?
>>55462899
>usually survivable even at close range
A .75 Brown Bess shot is even deadlier than a modern 7.62mm NATO shot
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
>>55463719
Also the rifle, as opposed to the musket, was the common American weapon at the time, and was vastly superior in distance and acuracy. The only downside was cost to produce, which a family could invest in, but was too expensive and slow to produce en mass to field for an army. So only by having the civilian recruits bringing their own weapons could the US army have a capable fighting force.
>>55462899
Gun control doesn't work. Fuck off you communist fuck.
>>55462899
The UK has thousands of people die to guns every year. These are people who have been stripped of the right to defend themselves. Only the criminals have guns.
>>55462899
>90 SECONDS TO LOAD WITH PRACTICE
bullshit, the minutemen were notorious for being able to get 3 rounds off per minute
Since the banning of guns in the UK has almost double the violent crime rate than that of the US per 100,000 people. If you asked a degenerate with a knife where he'd rather attack people between Texas and London what location do you think he would choose 10 out of 10 times? Less guns means less gun deaths, but way more violent crimes as the innocent have no way of defending themselves and the crooks know this.
UK even wants to ban fucking knives now. The gun ban is working out so well for you.
>>55472008
>>55472144
Stop being rational mates this island is kept afloat by feelings
>>55472008
>The UK has thousands of people die to guns every year.
Is this bait? There's only something like 600 murders in the whole of the UK and of those I think it's about 5%-6% involve firearms. What you might have done is look at "firearms offences" which are in the 4000 range, but firearms offences is a much larger category than murders involving firearms.
>>55471340
A muzzle loader is actually pretty accutate.
We use them to hunt durr all the time. They fire slow, heavy, wide projectiles. They take legs off. They make big holes. They make holes in things behind the thing you wanted to make a hole in. They are VERY deadly, because you only have one shot and it better count. It's not the gun's fault, especially at ranges under 150 yards where most shooting happens.
>>55463690
Go back to Europe then. Wtf why do you want to change our culture so bad?
>>55472369
>What you might have done is look at "firearms offences" which are in the 4000 range, but firearms offences is a much larger category than murders involving firearms.
I believe you're correct sir. Still that's thousands of law abiding citizens not being allowed to defend themselves against criminals with guns whether they die or not.
>>55472369
>firearms offences is a much larger category...
Such as possesing one, or thinking too hard about guns.
>>55469241
>Don't try and explain simple logic to North Americans
Well we might not be the sharpest knife in the dra-
Actually scratch that, being a Brit you probably don't even know what a knife is.
>>55462899
About your image.
Rockets, cannon, mortar, and artillery all existed and were not banned. Neither were pistols.
>>55472715
>Such as possesing one...
...Without a licence, using it on someone else's property without permission, brandishing it in public (don't actually know if this is one, but I bet it is), and likely lots more.
>>55472657
> Still that's thousands of law abiding citizens not being allowed to defend themselves against criminals with guns whether they die or not.
True, but ultimately since we've such a strict policy on owning them, the possibility of having to defend myself against a gun wielding negro isn't something that worries me that much. Not just that but I think the majority gun related deaths are people involved in some sort of gang violence, so in that respect it's actually no different than the US.
>>55472823
U N D E R - R A T E D
>>55462899
>People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
That's just literally not true you retard.
Consider this, america's murder rate has stedily dropped for quite a while now, despite gun control becoming loser and gun ownership becoming more prevalent.
Meanwhile, the murder rate in Australia is unchanged from what is was in 1996 when very strict gun control was first instituted.
People will kill eachother even if you take guns away. You think nigger gangs are just going to stop having turf wars if you somehow magically made all their pistols vanish? Fuck no, they'll use clubs and knives like they often use already.
More importantly, by eliminating firearms, you would essentially make the law abiding populace entirely at the mercy of any criminal who happened to be physically stronger or more capable than they are. You are literally saying, "hey, all you would be criminals, that old man, or that young woman with a child? Totally fucking helpless, go nuts!"
But even THAT, is only contingent on a scenario in which you somehow enacted gun control in america that actually took guns away from criminals. Which you can't. It's literally impossible. Not even a complete blanket ban with buybacks would matter, because, guess what? Most guns used in crimes are ALREADY illegally obtained! So what you would do, is take guns away from moderate americans and make sure the only citizens with guns were gang members and extreme firearm enthusiasts. Is that what you want?
>>55465146
They don't want facts or guns they want control.
The longrifle is said by modern experts to have a range of 80 to 100 yards. This figure is meant for the average user. A trained, experienced shooter who knows how to take variables into account such as (gunpowder) load, windage, drop, etc. can easily extend the median range of the long rifle to 200-300 yards. In 1778 at the siege of Boonesborough, Kentucky, one of the officers of the combined British/Shawnee assault force was hiding behind a tree. He stuck his head out from behind the tree and was instantly killed by a ball to the forehead fired by Daniel Boone, who was known for always firing the same fixed measure load of black powder in his rifle. This shot was later confirmed by witnesses on both sides and the distance measured at 250 yards. Hitting a target so precisely at that range would probably make the "Kentucky" rifle comparable in total effective (long) range with the later British Baker rifle at 300 to 400 yards.
That picture would have a point if that wasn't military-grade shit at the time. The second ammendment already provides you less than it did then. At the time you were allowed to have the same guns as the fucking army. You don't have a gun problem, you have a nigger problem. (And your population density probably contributes to the problem. People tend to get angry when they're clumped together really tightly)
Want to know how to not get killed in the US?
1) Don't be in a gang
2) Don't live in gang controlled territory
3) Don't be befriend or associate yourself with drug addicts
4) Own at least one gun for EDC or home defense should you need one in the off chance that someone tries to fuck with your shit (I've yet to get in a fight, be mugged or home invaded)
5) Don't kill yourself
Now how fucking hard is that?
The solution isn't to ban guns.
The solution is to educate people on gun safety and storage.
People should educate their children on gun safety.
People should not give their children guns when they have depression or are insane.
>>55462899
Gun control works everywhere, relatively speaking.
>>55474652
Crime is down globally. It is an economic issue.
>>55462899
it's actually 15 seconds to reload if you are good and it is innacurate but it's not throwing boomerangs while blindfolded by someone with autism innacurate I have pics if needed
>>55475504
>Gun control works everywhere, relatively speaking.
No it doesn't. Globally, neither crime and gun ownership or crime and gun control are correlated at all.
>>55462899
Pic related.
I wish we had 2nd amendment here...
>>55462899
Gee you tell me
>>55462899
>People don't seem to understand that less guns = less deaths.
thats why our nation's founders were hiding enough rifles for several regiments during the revolutionary war?
>>55462899
Your pic does not show cannon or warships, which are also "arms" and were privately owned at the time.
Your argument is invalid.
>>55465079
>Puckle's Gun
