Government is more efficient than the free market
>>55456103
>20 dollar minimum wage
>90% of it goes to taxes
eric
>>55456103
it's the happiest place in the world because a large portion of them are fucking medicated on anti depressents dipshit
>>55456103
Doesn't Denmark have one of the highest debt per individual or something like that? Also a lot of antidepressants?
>>55456103
Denmark also has dismal GDP growth, abnormally high taxes, and one of the largest welfare states in the EU
Who said that these are the reasons that the Danish are so happy? Maybe it's a strong, cohesive society, good person to person and community bonds (relatively few immigrants and shared language, history) and comparatively high levels of fitness from a good diet. And just because taxes and spending are high, does not mean the government controls the economy. As in many Scandinavian and Northern European nations, the economy is lightly regulated, including a highly liquid labour market - see http://www.heritage.org/index/country/denmark
>>55456103
>>20 dollar minimum wage
which is fucking wrong.
Denmark doesn't have a mandatory minimum wage.
>>90% of it goes to taxes
Wrong.
>All income from employment or self-employment is taxed at 8% before income tax. This tax is termed a "gross tax" (Danish: Arbejdsmarkedsbidrag). Income below DKK 42,800 (USD 7,600) (2014-level, adjusted annually) is income tax-free, but subject to the gross tax.[1]
>Interest paid up to DKK 50,000 is tax deductible. Commuting exceeding 24 kilometers/day receives a DKK 2.05 per kilometer tax deduction. For commutes exceeding 100 kilometers per day, the rate is reduced to DKK 1.03 per kilometer.[2] A number of other deductions apply. The general rule is that the taxpayer is able to deduct his/her expenses in acquiring their taxable income, although there are many exceptions to this rule. Employees have very limited possibilities for tax deduction as it is assumed that the employer covers the expenses related to the employee's work. The employer will then be able to deduct most of these expenses from his own taxable income. Furthermore, Union Fees are tax deductible.
>The state income tax has two income brackets (base and top). In 2014 income from DKK 42,900 to DKK 421,000 is taxed at 5.83% and income above DKK 422,000 is taxed an additional 15%. Other taxes include Municipal income tax, currently in the range 23% - 28%, though on average 24.09%. A Health contribution of 8% apply on all income above the tax free allowance in year 2014, though from there the health contribution is getting merged with the regular income tax by one percent per year. Under the Danish tax system, it is possible for a high-wage earner to pay up to 51.5% of their total income after gross tax, giving a total of 57% of total income.
>The sum of all income tax percentages (municipal income tax, state income taxes and the central government income tax financing health care in the Regions called health care contribution), cannot exceed 51.5%.
>>55456103
>>55456257
Daily reminder we have no minimum wage
>>55456338
Yes, but it's "fake" and will be fixed this year or next.
The thing is that old debt that cannot be collected, is not deleted from the statistics like other countries do.
>>55456103
Fuck off with your b8 you fucking mongoloid
SAGE
>>55456103
> Go to Denmark thinking it will be awesome
> Everything costs around 3-5 times what they do in the States
Man, fuck Denmark.
>>55456103
Stop idealizing our shit, it barely even functions here. The state is too powerful and spends tax money on lots of retarded shit and I sure as fuck don't want to pay for shitty obligatory TV and what not. We should fix the welfare-state, not try to pretends it's some sort of ideal or that it's even good in its current state.
>>55456270
>implying anti-depressants make you happy
>>55456513
This, based finman
>>55456434
Last year we had over a 100 billion dkk in surplus, only 2 other countries had more than us.
>>55456257
>>55456270
>>55456338
butthuert fags
>>55456595
>being mad that your dollar is worth jack shit
The reason Denmark is so happy might correlate to the antidepressants.
We dont have 20$ minimum wage
most people work 37-40 hours a week. Childcare is about 330-350$a month for kindergarden per child.
46% of our income is taken by the goverment.
medicine is expensive as hell
The government has no clue how to handle money, wasting it everywhere
>>55456270
A large portion of America is on antidepressants and painkillers, but we're fucking miserable
>>55456103
denmark is happy because they're 90% white
>>55456751
Yes, because that graph flush the happy care statistics
Conservashits getting BTFO
>>55456736
... Oh, OK.
>>55456103
*ROLLED BY THE NAZIS IN 7.3 SECONDS
>>55456338
10th highest per capita debt.
All the countries above are European besides Hong Kong.
The list includes countries like Switzerland, UK, Luxembourg, Monaco etc.
>>55456434
in 2014, Above EU average(which is not a lot)
> abnormally high taxes
The maximum individual tax rate is lowr than your country has(47.794% (2015) vs. Canadas 50% + Surcharge taxes (Varies) (15%-29% federal + 5%-21% provincial + $0–$900CDN Health Premium + Surcharge Taxes)
Danish people have genes to make them happy.
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/danish_dna_could/
>>55456884
nt poorfag
>>55456884
You just proved him right...
> MOneys, how to they work ?
Denmark sucks
>>55456884
Top kek
>>55456973
No, if the U.S dollar value was lower the amount of Krones it could buy would be lower.
>>55456973
>france in charge of understanding currency pairs
>>55456513
What about non-income based taxes, such as property taxes? The gov can also fleece you with difficult to avoid fines.
>>55456103
>Government is more efficient than the free market
Said no economist, historian, or person with an IQ over 85 ever.
>>55457009
You do you realize that, that is not a good interest rate.
>20 dollar minimum wage
yeah, it actually makes sense for large cities like New York City or Los Angelos, but for us normies who live in Rural areas that are an hour or more drive away from said urban centers, we need no more than MAYBE 10 bucks an hour and a 40 hour work week to survive
i make about1,600 a month
>>55457095
Thank god our market is more free than the US of A, buddy
No niggers bro.
>>55456973
Denmark Krone is almost half-way to being the Mexican Peso
>>55456751
This is fucking depressing.
>>55457106
No, please enlighten me how it's bad that people are paying us to borrow us money.
>>55456103
Childcare is sure as hell not free. 300-400 dollars per child a month is the normal.
Only the poor get subsidised childcare
The rest is true though, and I have had several run-ins with the healthcare system that were fine, with short waits and effective care (got a tendon "cyst" on my left wrist removed and got a metal splinter removed from left finger years apart, metal splinter was this year, no issues from me)
>go to Denmark
>buy car
>pay tax on car
>pay tax on tax
If you're getting taxed to the balls you better get some shit out of it
>>55457060
The Danish ejendomsskat (or Municipal Property Tax) is a land value tax, which taxes the base value of the land according to either:
The total value of the property minus the value of improvements or
The value of the property last tax year, altered by a growth/decline percentage.
Whichever of those two assessments is lower results in the base land value.[3][4] This base land value is taxed at between 1.6 and 3.4% in 2013,[4] although some individual properties may pay more or less.
Proceeds from selling ones home - if there is any home equity (Danish: friværdi) - are not taxed, as the marginal tax rate on capital income from housing savings is around 0 percent.[5]
And also there's VAT, which is 25%.
The high VAT is the gamechanger here.
>>55456973
1 dollar = 16 pesos
Mexico has such a great economy amiright durrrrrr hurrrrrrrr
>>55456103
Denmark has always been national socialism light, the very nature of the "three part nagotiations" between employee, employer and the state is pretty much the same system that Germany had.
In regards to the wealth of Denmark:
To argue that the success of the danish model is the result of the government and not primarily the the result of having 10% of the worlds high sea merchant fleet registered in Denmark is idiotic beyond belief.
The lack of a minimum wage is actually a problem, since pay is expected to be raised every year, to an even higher degree than the natural inflation. This ofcourse leads to stagnation and ultimately regression.
A common expression among the unions is that they have "Victored themselves into hell", everyone knows that the system cannot continue to work in its current state for long.
>>55456338
>Doesn't Denmark have one of the highest debt per individual or something like that?
Actually no we are on a fast track to pay all debts.
>Also a lot of antidepressants?
Probably true. I take antidepressants myself.
>>55456103
>happiest country
>doesn't show any happiness-related stat
suicide rates for example?
I'll look into it, but I would assume libfags left those out cause they disprove their view that once the government rules everything, everyone's happy
>>55457188
It signals that the economy is so bad that in order to stimulate growth people need to pay you money to invest in the market. Furthermore you would not get that interest rate as a common citizen. In America for example only Mark Zuckerburg could get an interest rate below inflation. The interest rate you are referencing intra-banking rates which are the rates central banks loan to private banks. No commercial bank would ever give out a loan like that. I could go on but I am hoping you understand the point.
>>55457186
this is even worse
>>55456103
yes, a country 1/6 the population and size of commiefornia and has a monoculture is comparable to a country with 310m+ lots of racial diversity. there are 6x more illegal immigrants in USA than the total population of denmark. what next, copy icelands model?
>>55457237
>3.4%
That's actually really really high for property tax.
>And also there's VAT, which is 25%.
There's other taxes too, like sin and luxury tax. What's important is how much the gov takes when everyone's is said and done. The op shouldn't just look at income tax.
>>55457165
It's pegged to the Euro, since the Dollar is getting stronger, the Krone is getting (comparatively) weaker.
If we un-pegged from the Euro, our Krone would gain 15-25% because we have a very very solid economy with low unemployment and lots of high-tech companies
>>55456103
Let's take a look at the real numbers, shall we?
Let's assume their claim is true, that McDonalds employees (OVER the age of 18) make over $20 an hour. At an exchange rate of 6dkk per USD (technically 5.966)[1], that puts them at 120 dkk per hour. At their standard 33 hour work week [2], that's 3960 dkk per week. At 50 weeks a year, that's 198,000 dkk a year.
198,000dkk is $33,000 a year, which is pretty good compared to a U.S. McDonald's employee earning $15,098 a year. (Per the McD's workers' median figure of $9.15/hour times equal number of hours worked)
But what about their actual take home pay?
An individual making $15,098 a year in the United States:
- Pays $0 federal income taxes. [4]
- Pays $936 in SS tax [5]
- Pays $219 in Medicare tax [5]
Take-home TOTAL = $13,943
An individual making 198,000 dkk ($33,000 a year) in Denmark:
- Pays 15,840 dkk ($2640) Gross Labour Market Contribution [6]
- Pays 9,095 dkk ($1516) Post-Deduction at Bottom Bracket tax rate [6]
- Pays 40,092 dkk ($6682) Municipal Income Tax and Church Tax [6]
- Pays 1080 dkk ($180) ATP (their SS) [7]
Take-home TOTAL = 131,893 dkk ($21,982)
Once factoring in their high taxes, the income differential goes from 219% to 158% comparing their McD employee wages to ours. While accurate to acknowledge that this is greater than comparable U.S. employees, it must be noted, their money purchases fewer goods than ours. Here's why...
The cost of living in Denmark is considerably higher than in the United States. Copenhagen is among the five most expensive cities in the world, for instance, and the flat-rate VAT (sales) in Denmark is 25%. [8]
>continue in next post
>>55457250
Our medicines bring way more money in than Maersk could ever dream of.
>>55457478
Here's a snapshot of some key differences in everyday prices: [See citation 9 for complete list]
● Basic Utilities: 49% more than US
Clothing (Jeans): 3-4 times what we pay
● Shoes: 77% more than US
● Car (Volkswagon): 2.5 times what we pay
● Milk: 22% more than US
● The major cost indices: [10]
Consumer Prices in Denmark are 38.08% higher than in United States
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Denmark are 25.05% higher than in United States.
● Restaurant Prices in Denmark are 84.82% higher than in United States.
● Groceries Prices in Denmark are 12.87% higher than in United States.
● Local Purchasing Power in Denmark is 24.45% lower than in United States.
So let's be ironic here, and ask, "How many McDonald's Meals can a McDonald's worker afford to buy in each country?"
DENMARK: $21,982 net income, at $10.91 per McD Combo Meal (or similar)[10] = 2,015 meals.
USA: $13,943 net income, at $6 per McD Combo Meal (or similar)[10] = 2,324 meals
USA wins by 15%.
-------------------------------------
Sources:
[1]http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?From=DKK&To=USD
[2]http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2013/07/10/worlds-shortest-work-weeks/2.html
[3]http://www.businessinsider.com/denmark-mcdonalds-pays-20-an-hour-2014-9
[4]https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/calculators/taxcaster/
[5]http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc751.html
[6]http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/taxes/income-taxes-abroad/denmark/index_en.htm
[7]https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/dk/Documents/tax/Working_and_living_in_Denmark_for_2014.pdf
[8]http://denmark.usembassy.gov/living-in-denmark.html
[9]http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Denmark/United-States/Cost-of-living
[10]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Denmark
[11]http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Cost-of-living/Restaurant-prices/McDonalds-meal
>>55456103
>Pays gazillion euros on taxes
>Says education, childcare and healthcare are free
Nobody can be that retarded
>>55457250
>Denmark has always been national socialism light, the very nature of the "three part nagotiations" between employee, employer and the state is pretty much the same system that Germany had.
That's actually Fascism(Or Fascist Corporativsm), not National Socialism.
Similair problems here, the Labour Unions have a long strategy of "Acquired profits will not be lost". Which pretty much breaks the game if economy goes to shit
But does such a state create free man, capable of withstanding any crisis or does it create slaves?
>>55456103
>homogeneous white protestant country
It's hilarious that liberals fawn over only the whitest of countries. It's not like their ideal society is located in Africa, the Middle East, or Asia.
>>55457515
> Tries to compare values of income
> Compares in McD meals
Can you be any more burgerish?
>>55456973
>1 USD is worth ≅ 7 Danish Krone.
You can't hide behind that French flag you Australian shitposting bastard.
>>55457401
lel no. It signals that we're a safe heaven for peoples money. People are fucking throwing money at us.
We put it down to -0.75% because of people were trying to brake our peg with the Euro, like they did with the Swiss. Our Krone is much more worth than it shows.
>>55456103
+ NO NIGGERS!
>>55457415
The hell is a "sin" tax?
We have luxury taxes on items such as cars (Registration license) and alcohol (alcohol license).
>>55457479
I know, however this was not the case in the 50s and 60s when the velfærdssamfund was being established.
We are still living of the influx of cash after WW2 from having a mostly unharmed industry, which has gathered interest for decades.
However the political value of having such a large merchant navy and a government that cooperates with this holding company is certainly a factor.
>>55457237
Taxes on land is so retarded. We don't accept that crap here. If you're taxed on your land, then it isn't your property, it's the state's property and you're simply renting it.
>>55457432
You know the Euro is almost equal to the dollar in trade, right? The US dollar is almost 7 times more valuable than yours. Even if you go up 15-25% it is still very low on the worth scale of currency.
>>55457657
Why do you say that like it's a bad thing? There is no life better than one that is in pursuit of burgers.
>>55457657
and?
>Point
you
>>55457780
Dude, google what pegging means. We literally have Euro, we just call it Krone.
>>55457780
>You know the Euro is almost equal to the dollar in trade, right
You know that's a result of ECB policy, not because of free-float currency?
Government won't invest in innovative businesses and ideias like gene editing, commercial space flight or biotechnology.
>>55457726
A sin tax is a tax on things the gov doesn't want you to do. An example is an alcohol tax.
>>55456103
>efficient
Waiting for this meme word to die out. Most people dont even know what it means in the economic and sociological sense.
>>55457657
The BigMac index is actually one of the most accurate ways to measure relative wealth.
>>55457742
Your land is worthless my volcano dwelling friend, gief back Reykjavik!
>>55457780
>>55457667
The Krone is tied, by law to the value of the German national bank, used to be the D-mark now its the euro. The reason is that we like to trade with the Germans and, having a currency which is valued lower is a good way to attract foreign trade.
>>55457780
For being the currency of a country of 6 million people, the Danish Krone is pretty fucking strong
>>55456513
Don't forget those union fees, goy.
>>55457872
>google what pegging means
Why should I care about your sissy fetish?
>>55458313
:^)
Look further down.
I don't see how people can think that we can implement the same policies as Denmark when we have a population of 300 million people that are all fragmented into diverse groups with different interests. The best thing to do is let states decide on what programs they want to implement and leave it at that.
>>55458454
People in the US are too pampered to ever go to a European standard of living.
Sure, we have a lot of people calling for it, but 99.99 percent of these people have never been to Europe and don't understand exactly what they are asking for, they just like hearing
>muh free healthcare, paternal leave & 8 gorillian vacation days
>>55458428
Alright?
>>55458772
Most Americans tend to support those things until they hear how much it will cost them in taxes.
>>55458454
Works Ok in Germany.
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>>55456103
That pic is a fucking joke, we have no minimum wage laws, wages decided by union/employer agreements (20 because living expenses & taxes are much higher compared to US. 33 hour work week, wrong. Free uni, true but living exp aint free is it, besides paid ed is being introduced now for some degrees because we simply cant afford it childcare IS NOT FREE, its insanely expensive. Local govts only pay if you are on the dole. Free healthcare, only true one, but at what cost? 75% nominal tax rate, 185% more expensive cars, food/rent costs insane.
...and with thousands of new invaders incoming, the social system will surely not last very long.
>>55458166
> Union fees
900 DKR a month (including 2-year salary insurance if I get laid off)
> Salary
about 35.000 DKR, and half the union fee is tax-deductable
I have no complaints
>>55458166
1.5% of Gross income, I'm glad to pay that to get keep corporations fucking me over.
With any luck we aren't a sovereign country after 3rd of December.
United States of Europe!
USE, USE, USE!
anyone not chanting above is a pedophile!
>and small as fuck
>USE
Can I throw you aways once I'm done with you?
>measuring happiness purely by material standards
I HATE secularists.
>>55460569
If you dont vote yes, the racists will kill a puppy!
>>55460842
Hello Achmed, how are you?
>>55456103
A system like the danish would not function in a multicultural and multiracial country like the good old US of A. Only fucking retards thinks the US should look at Denmark for inspiration.
>>55456257
we have no minimum wage in Denmark friend.
>>55456595
it sucks to be poor I know.
>>55456850
this. we are actually closer to 95% white (if you count Slavs, southern and central Yuros white).
>>55456922
kek
>>55457008
ok burger.
>>55457235
yeah, do not buy cars in Denmark. That shit is fucking expensive.
>>55460569
explain
>>55460969
>>55460569
>Trigger warning faggots!
I hate the fucking EU
RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>55461385
Short version, we have a vote on whether or not we want to get closer to the EU or not the 3rd of december
>>55459074
>implying Denmark and Germany have the same policies.
top kek bong nice bait
>>55456973
Well obviously you don't know, faggot.
Now get back to Tyrone keking you while you're unable to get a paternity test to see if those two black kids are yours.
>>55456103
also <1% niggers
>>55461385
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Andre_sprog/English/2015/04/07/134918.htm
Basicly this.
Happiest by some dumbass standard that crackpot philosophers came up with
LESS PHILOSOPHERS, MORE WELDERS
>>55457780
And the Japanese yen is what 100-110 to a dollar so Japan must absolutely suck as an economy (well it does but is stronk).
>>55461413
>retards
>friend
>this
>kek
>burger
>cars is expensive
>trigger warning
>anti EU
>frogposter
>le bait.jpg
>basicly this
look a 12 year old maymay fag. go back to reddit
>>55461385
More info if you are interested Finbro.
http://www.danishnet.com/government/denmark-and-eu/
Denmark joined the EEC/EU in 1973 after a referendum where 63.3% voted in favour of membership.
Denmark has strongly advocated that the Baltic countries should be allowed to join the EU as soon as possible. In the EU, Denmark has likewise championed that the 20% of the Union’s energy consumption must come from renewable sources by 2020 – a target adopted in March 2007. Denmark has signed the Schengen Agreement, which came into force in 2001 and allows completely free passage between a number of European countries.
Danish Reservations towards the EU
The Danish population has regarded the EU as an excellent forum for economic cooperation, but has only reluctantly accepted political integration.
As a result, the Maastricht Treaty of 1992 with its chapters on increased integration was only accepted at a Danish referendum in 1993, after the so-called Edinburgh Agreement had allowed Denmark to take a step back from the cooperation in four areas. This manifested itself in:
Monetary Union (EMU) and the euro
Defence cooperation
Extension of the legal cooperation
EU citizenship.
In 2000, a referendum was held to test if the population was prepared to abandon one of the reservations – the change from krone to euro. The answer was no by 53.2% of the votes.
>>55457872
> The Krone is literally the Euro
> The Euro is worth 8 times the Krone
> I swear the Krone is the same as the Euro
>>55461458
We have a citizen's initiative going on, which demands a referendum for our membership in the €.
A CI needs 50 000 names for it to be processed by the parliament.
As of today it's only 380 names short.
>>55461747
you want more maymay?
>>55461904
I'll vote "yes" if you don't stream your suicide
>>55461840
It is. No matter how much the Euro will rise or fall, I can always get the same amount of Euro for the same amount of Kroner.
That's what pegging means.
When I lived in Denmark I didn't know a single Dane that didn't live in a small apartment. It's literally their entire life too. It was weird coming from the US where people usually have 3 bedroom houses by 30.
>>55461358
>Only fucking retards thinks the US should look at Denmark for inspiration.
The thing is too, is that Denmark is a small nation that really doesn't accomplish anything great. No offense.
America is a large nation that invented the 20th and 21st century. We shouldn't be looking at any other nation, especially Denmark for inspiration.
Why limit ourselves to small dreams?
>>55462279
well I do not really see the point in America looking elsewhere either for "how to do shit".
Wasn't the point of the US that you could then do everything the "Amercian Way"?
>le Denmark
I love this meme
>>55462232
Dude we almost have the same rate of house owning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
>what's good for a nation of 5.6 million people is good for a nation of 318.9 million
I never get tired of this argument.
>>55462617
> almost
Quite a funny way of saying you are envious of our better housing, Europoor.
>>55463670
>literally living in three houses
>jealous
oh I am laffin
I love how Amerifats shitpost about them being so wealthy while living in low-mid class homes making under 100k a year which is expected normal payment in scandinavia.
>BUT M...MUH TAXES
Yeah we have taxes dipshits, but our goverment doesnt spend them on invading other contries for oil. It spends it on healthcare, schools and other things that matter
>OH GOY YOU HAVE BEEN FOOLED BY THE JEWS
The jews are in your goverement, not ours. If you want to see for yourself, compare our doctors and yours and see how well they will treat your broken leg for example and for how much
