Was Ayn Rand right?
>>55454775
yes, but she went about it in a way that made the people who took up her message absolutely unbearable and caused her own downfall in such.
>>55454854
you just can't handle the "I told you so''
>>55454962
its less that, more the none of their ideas are bad ever and you need to simply bend over and take them, i don't even disagree with her or her ideas all that much, but rand-ites go about trying to talk about her ideas in such a non-social way.
>>55454775
>Was Ayn Rand right?
In terms of what? ABOUT what?
Bemoaning the Soviet Union because she was butthurt that she didn't get to keep living on the gravy train?
About living off the government on Social Security in a manner that she degraded when others do it?
Not sure what you mean, junior.
>>55454775
100%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
>>55454775
Why do progressives hate her so much?
Everytime she is mentioned, people start circlejerking about how Atlas Shrugged is the worst book they ever read.
>>55454775
>Was Ayn Rand right?
No, she was a Soviet agent sent to encourage the most degenerate forms of capitalism possible in order to facilitate lower class revolt - I.E. to create controlled opposition to Bolshevik philosophy.
>>55454775
She was right about most everything but unfortunately retired to an echo chamber after atlas shrugged because she couldnt handle the bantz
>>55454775
she certainly wasnt very left
Ayn Rand was right about open immigration. The right wing claims to love her but Ayn Rand would be disgusted with their xenophobia.
>ARI: Can you give a specific example of when [Ayn Rand] responded angrily to a question?
>MARY ANN: Someone asked [Ayn Rand] for her views on immigration, if she thought it was a good thing. And she got indignant immediately at the very idea that anyone might be opposed to immigration, that a country might not let immigrants in. One of the things she said in her answer was, “Where would I be today if America closed its doors to immigrants?” That really hit home; I’m sure everyone there realized that she would not have survived in Soviet Russia, that a person with her ideas would have died in prison, somewhere in Siberia. In her answer, she was defending people who were seeking freedom and a better life. And I think she was assuming that immigrants would be like she was—ready and able to make their own way, accepting help if voluntarily given by individuals but not expecting government handouts. But it was clear that she was angry at the idea, not at the person asking the question.
>>55455215
It really sucks though.
>>55454775
She's right about collectivism being toxic as fuck, I'll give her that.
>>55455294
that is the most retarded bullshit i have ever heard. i don't even like ayn rand whatsoever, but that is fucking stupid
>>55455215
because if a "progressive" actually read any of her books they would instantly reject what they are reading because their feels
>>55455400
If conservatives had any brains, they'd realize that Ayn Rand rejects their ideology too.
>>55455215
>Why do progressives hate her so much?Everytime she is mentioned, people start circlejerking about how Atlas Shrugged is the worst book they ever read.
I don't think they hate her. It's more like they ignore her because she autorefuted herself. She lived off the Social Security she defamed when other Americans do it until she died. If she was the wunderkind author randlets claim she was she should have made more than enough money to avoid Social Security.
She gumped herself.
>>55454775
>Ayn Rand
>right
pick only one
>>55454854
>, but she went about it in a way that made the people who took up her message absolutely unbearable
That's the entire point of her philosophy dipshit: to spread the most degenerate and sickening perversion of capitalist thought imaginable.
>>55454775
She's a jew so she's not right about anything.
>>55455400
>because if a "progressive" actually read any of her books they would instantly reject what they are reading because their feels
Because unreasoned faith in white sky-daddy isn't purely about animal feelings. Yeah. Gumped.
>>55455328
>but what about meeee
sorry rand, but I dont think anyone has the responsibility to help you with your problems.
maybe she should have picked herself up by her bootstraps in soviet russia.
Ayn Rand was Jewish.
>>55455667
You are an evil, wicked man. I like that in a man.
>>55455215
>>55455364
Nobody who shits on Atlas Shrugged has read it. Liberals are just terrified of it because it does such a thorough job of utterly destroying collectivism and leftism in general.
>>55455532
>Social Security
>a system paid into all one's life
This is not welfare. You are parroting false arguments, because that's the only thing anyone can ever do against Rand.
>>55455536
This comment is the perfect example. "Hurr shes wrong!!!" but no explanation.
>>55455601
>false equivalency
>puerile, adolescent atheist ad hom
>incoherent attempt at an argument
Embarrassing
>>55455386
>that is the most retarded bullshit i have ever heard. i don't even like ayn rand whatsoever, but that is fucking stupid
Nonsense - Ayn Rand's chief enemy was never communism or socialism or anti-capitalism...
What Ayn Rand hated was "COLLECTIVISM"
You know: unifying cultural cohesion that sustained western civilization for centuries. She was every bit a cultural Marxist in that she deliberately attacked cultural homogeneity of whites - just by playing to narcissism and greed of the wealthy instead of playing to degeneracy and desperation of the poor.
She's just the right wing head of the same anti-white beast.
Whites worked together until Jewish influence divided them... Ayn Rand despised whites working together towards a common purpose and, therefore, waged war on COLLECTIVISM - whites who regarded themselves as part of a broader community of whites who should work together for the good of their people.
>>55454775
Yes, of course she was right.
After all, she's clearly not a leftist. (cue rimshot)
What Rand gave was a set of ideals. The problem with the ideals is that they are abstract.
The idea that the people would keep the government and corporations in check with pitchforks and lit torches, the idea that the upper minorities wouldn't collude to benefit themselves at the sake of everybody else and be punished for it completely, the idea that the people can choose the value of the currency instead of a small group who controls it all...
well, they are simply not true in this world. And the Rand humpers seem to not realize that. They just sort of go "hey, that's a good idea, so that's how things currently must work!" and then honestly wonder why everybody thinks they are morons.
For better or for worse, and in this case it's definately worse, the world doesn't abide by Rand's ideals. And honestly, it never has.
>>55455722
>Nobody who shits on Atlas Shrugged has read it. Liberals are just terrified of it because it does such a thorough job of utterly destroying collectivism and leftism in general.
Again, tweenlet, if that were legitimately the case she would have made so much money she wouldn't NEED the Social Security she derided others for using. She was simply a "do as I say not as I do" hypocrite.
>>55455386
>that is the most retarded bullshit i have ever heard. i don't even like ayn rand whatsoever, but that is fucking stupid
"muh individualism!" "muh rugged manliness!"
Jewish myths... Whites didn't get to the top of the food chain by instituting deathmatch rules among their people.
>>55454775
If she was right she wouldn't have died on welfare.
RANDROIDS BTFO
(and don't give me the fucking "but she was just getting back at the looters" excuse. That's the whole point of a government,)
>>55455780
>>false equivalency>puerile, adolescent atheist ad hom>incoherent attempt at an argument Embarrassing
ORLY youngster?
1) Assume sky daddy exists because mom said so or muh feelings.
2) Ignore all Scientific evidence to the contrary of #1.
3) Absorb anything that seems surficially to confirm #1.
Walks, talks, and looks like a duck. It's a duck. Faith is unreasoned belief in the nonexistent.
>>55455790
>You know: unifying cultural cohesion that sustained western civilization for centuries. She was every bit a cultural Marxist in that she deliberately attacked cultural homogeneity of whites - just by playing to narcissism and greed of the wealthy instead of playing to degeneracy and desperation of the poor.
ok buddy
>stay primitive and delusionnal for thousands of years under collectivist and altruistic propaganda
>200 years of half individualism got us to Mars.
stoopid. you are stooopid
>>55455722
To be perfectly frank, OP didn't ask on what she was wrong or on what she was right.
My comment was as helpful as his post.
And to be honest, she was wrong on more things than she was right about.
So generally speaking I was right when I said she was wrong.
>>55456188
>If she was right she wouldn't have died on welfare.
social security is not a welfare program. It's something everybody is forced to pay in.
Why not take it back when due?
>>55456304
>200 years of half individualism got us to Mars.
You're delusional if you believe whites were Balkanized individualistic prior to the invention of TV - that's simply not true at all... Yes, individual differences were accepted among whites - but that's because everyone knew they were whites first. Don't tell me about my country Canada kek - only America has successfully merged white Europeans out of Balkanized European identities into a collective understanding of being white.
>>55456478
>You're delusional if you believe whites were Balkanized individualistic prior to the invention of TV - that's simply not true at all... Yes, individual differences were accepted among whites - but that's because everyone knew they were whites first. Don't tell me about my country Canada kek - only America has successfully merged white Europeans out of Balkanized European identities into a collective understanding of being white.
Sorry but the pleb really doesnt come up with anything. This was all due to actual individualistic intellectuals.
We can say the populace is either collectivist or individualistic. But we can judge every individual and specially those who move general tendencies.
As a matter of fact, we have had 200 years of hard individualistic intellectuals in most facet of society excpet in the last 70 years of politics.
We are now on the moon.
Prior to this, intellectuals were delusional priests. They barely accomplished nothing but keep people from actually choosing there tribes to maximize happiness and coesion.
You will never have actually peacefull cohesion without a highly individualistic society of individuals forming bond for the best and in relations to there needs and desires.
>>55456473
>>If she was right she wouldn't have died on welfare.social security is not a welfare program. It's something everybody is forced to pay in.Why not take it back when due?
Because it wasn't due and she didn't have a choice. She was BROKE. The honest thing to do would have been to die without using Social Security and Medicare, dread collectivist policies.
>>55456692
>Sorry but the pleb really doesnt come up with anything. This was all due to actual individualistic intellectuals.We can say the populace is either collectivist or individualistic. But we can judge every individual and specially those who move general tendencies.As a matter of fact, we have had 200 years of hard individualistic intellectuals in most facet of society excpet in the last 70 years of politics.We are now on the moon.Prior to this, intellectuals were delusional priests. They barely accomplished nothing but keep people from actually choosing there tribes to maximize happiness and coesion.You will never have actually peacefull cohesion without a highly individualistic society of individuals forming bond for the best and in relations to there needs and desires.
I'm glad you proselytize from your bedroom.
>>55456692
>Sorry but the pleb really doesnt come up with anything. This was all due to actual individualistic intellectuals.
Racial and ethnic identity were for centuries seen as inalienable from all segments of Europeans. Rand is an enemy of white culture - a perverter of it. Rand's philosophy is not one of research and discovery but of greed and degeneracy. The inevitable product of complete disregard for the needs and identity of the lower class by the upper results in revolt or chaos - neither of which benefits the upper class.
Look at where it has brought the United States - these "virtues of selfishness" ideologies of Rand - whites are nearly a minority in the United States and soon the entire country will be overrun by non-whites.
That is the cost of destroying collectivism - it has caused the destruction of the United States such that it will be controlled by Mexican drug lords within a few generations.
>>55454775
>Ayn Rand
you mean
>Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum
>Rosenbaum
?
>>55454775
No. She got a few things right but a lot was wrong.
Proof... Her hand picked successor was a guy she stole away from his wife and then left her to be with a younger hotter woman and she couldn't take it.
Ayn Rand claimed to have formulated an OBJECTIVELY TRUE morality. From first principles. That should tell you all you need to know.
I read Atlas as a high schooler, loved it, considered myself an objectivist for many years. But really, you gotta judge a personal philosophy by the way it shapes your view of your self, of others, and of the world. Objectivism made me self-confident, but it also led me to view people in starkly black-and-white terms, either "noble" or "parasitic." It gave me an arsenal of excuses for why I should think less of a person: anyone espousing religious beliefs was obviously an idiot and their opinions could be discarded; anyone who was homeless probably did something "irrational" and therefore deserved it. etc.
When you're considering adopting a personal philosophy, first investigate the lives of its proponents. Are they happy, or are they bitter? Are they at peace, or are they frantic? Are they consistent, or are they hypocritical? Looking at Ayn Rand's life, it seems pretty apparent that she was not a very happy person. I get the sense that she viewed herself as a sort of alien who had crash-landed on a bizarre planet, never really understanding its inhabitants, forever imprisoned inside her own ego.
>>55456692
>We are now on the moon.
White collectivists put man on the moon - not individualists. It was a collectivist who designed the Apollo rocket engines - not an individualist.
>>55454775
Obviously yes. Egoism is the only mean to build a healthy, modern society. She is one of the greatest philosophers of XX century.
>>55455867
underrated post.
>>55457423
>Egoism is the only mean to build a healthy, modern society.
Utterly retarded - it's resulted in the complete destruction of western civilization.
>>55454775
A fucking idiot. Not that I'm Oliver fan either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8m8cQI4DgM
>>55457612
Come on, capitalism is based on egoism and greed. And look how richer and richer all the poorest are getting. They have hard data to support it.
>>55457249
Another underrated post.
After 30 years I have come to 1 strong conclusion about philosophy and morality. You don't pick one side or one philosophy.
The equivocates to allowing someone to do all your thinking for you which is intellectual laziness and surrendering your own good judgement.
>>55454775
rand was a schizoidal psychopath, and a jew, who wrote screeching monotonous books, and brainwashed legions of gullible people into being worse people. Also, they're pretty cringey; they're about what she considers to be the ideal man (as in, an ideal mate to her tastes).
She had little-to-no understanding of neuroscience and genetics. Her books claim to be about an ideology, but really they're just her biases and opinions (which are not based in science).
Atlas Shrugged sucks (though Fountainhead was alright). She should have stayed in Russia.
However:
She IS NOT a full blown psychopath. She DID pay into social security her whole life, and so was not leeching in her later years. She DID NOT condone the actions of the kidnapper/murderer in LA. She actually WAS intelligent, very much so, but was held down by craziness.
Her books are mental poison with a few common-sense nuggets of wisdom. That's it.
>>55457850
funnily enough, there is a name for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclecticism
imo this is the proper way to approach religion as well. Both Jesus and Buddha encouraged people to find the truth by seeking inwardly, instead of just writing down everything they said in holy books and parroting it to each other later. Religion MUST be seen as a personal journey to be undertaken, rather than a dogma to be disseminated. "I pointed at the moon, and they saw only my finger."
>>55454775
Was Rand Paul named after her?
>>55458301
Rand. Short for Randolph, perhaps?
>>55454775
She was a hack that tried to disguise her shitty opinions with pseudointellectual bullshit
>>55457660
>capitalism is based on egoism and greed.
Capitalism is about making rational choices in the best interest of a country and how competition in markets produces the best available market prices.
It is not a personal set of ethics regarding how you should be as a person.
Ayn Rand is not a western capitalist - western capitalists had a sense of duty to community, race, and country. Ford gave English lessons to European immigrants who worked in his factories, Rockerfeller tore down Diego Rivera's communist painting knowing it was bad for people, Disney promoted western cultural values of family.
Materialism was largely shunned by western whites and consumer capitalism was largely an invention of TV advertising and increased economic prosperity.
Selfishness and greed are poison to culture. American culture is not healthy, it's poisoned and dying - because of consumer capitalism and how it was intended from the get go by the Jewish neo-Cons (notice that neo-Conservatism was founded by communists) to destroy western civilization.
But, honestly, if you can't figure out why Ayn Rand is a degenerate enemy of whites and western civilization on your own - then you're far too stupid to have any economic theories.
What makes Ayn Rand especially evil comes down to the following:
The Tragedy of the Commons
Negative Externalities
The Tragedy of the Commons
Negative Externalities
The Tragedy of the Commons
Negative Externalities
The Tragedy of the Commons
Negative Externalities
>>55456294
you talk the talk
while
you are a good goy
>>55455722
>There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
>>55458506
Shitaly chimes in? Perche? Non abbia nessuno parlare.
a jewess and some SHLOMOs still debate jewishness on dead-tree paper
>>55458599
you are:
a cunt
totally out of contest
a kike
BINGO!
Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.
Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas—or of inherited knowledge—which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.
Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.
A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race—and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin.
Like every other form of collectivism, racism is a quest for the unearned. It is a quest for automatic knowledge—for an automatic evaluation of men’s characters that bypasses the responsibility of exercising rational or moral judgment—and, above all, a quest for an automatic self-esteem (or pseudo-self-esteem).
-Ayn Rand
>>55458849
Shocking, coming from a Jewess born in the USSR. Never understood why so many White guys have such a hard on for this twat's worthless drivel. "Nothing good cometh from Israel." -Dr. WLP
I liked the books. They weren't written very well but they were page turners.
Also could've done without constantly repeating her message but this is a problem in a lot of 'deep' books.
I like her philosophy. It makes a lot of sense and it is an excellent criticism of collectivist ideologies.
>>55454775
I find it funny that people who criticize Rand have either never read her or have only read Atlas Shrugged of the Fountainhead. Rand's best work is without a doubt her non-fiction work, the virtue of selfishness, Objectivist epistemology and Capitalism: the unknown ideal are 1000 times more engaging and intellectually interesting. And to answer OP's question, like all people she was right on some things and wrong about others, she's a good start if you want to think differently and are interested in political philosophy. Also for anyone shitting on her she still became a best selling author writing in a language she wasn't born into
>>55459107
what do you think your mom is going to get for you for your 16th b-day?
>>55455328
>Immigration of the 1950's
>No welfare state
>Immigration now
>Come to our country and we'll pay you to rape our kids
Rand would of hated the welfare system, she's talking about people coming to add value to that country.
>>55457660
>Let's edit someone who's been dead for 30 years into looking bad
>Ignore her success
>Ignore her ideas
>Dude it's 2015!!! why aren't you sucking on that black dick white boi?
>Real Communism has never been tried that's why that's still a thing
Fucking RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>55455328
It's one thing to allow people that support Western values to immigrate to your country. This is the kind of immigration Rand supported. She, and other objectivists, have been *vehemently* against uncontrolled immigration when you have a massive welfare state and the immigrants themselves oppose the very society they're moving to.
http://www.peikoff.com/2015/09/21/to-yb-what-do-you-think-about-the-immigration-crisis-in-europe/
Rand was also against forced racial integration in public schooling. (Toward the end, but the entire interview is worth listening to.)
https://ari.aynrand.org/issues/culture-and-society/education--multiculturalism/Multiculturalism-War-on-Education
Rand was also against the U.S. entering WWII, and argued that Pearl Harbor could have been prevented with a more rational foreign policy (i.e., never giving the Japanese foreign aid to begin with).
Here is a collection of essays on The New Left (what would later become today's SJW movement). All of the essays are good, but check out The Comprachicos. Rand describes how the Left took over public education and used it to turn out useful idiots like from an assembly line. It's eerily similar to what Yuri Bezmenov described.
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