"Ummm actually Mr. Trump, China doesn't even trade with the united states so your wrong ok?"
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So let's see how long it takes before the Trump supporters strike. Well I am one but I mean funnier ones then me.
Yes because a small missed detail destroys his whole argument... Good job being the kid in class going "um actually *sniff snort* that happened in 1856"
Pathetic lol Trump made a great point still.
>>55454836
Congrats sir.
As a Trump fan that was painfully embarrassing to watch considering Trump is 79 years old has dementia and getting called for going on a rant about China for 5 min when asked about TPP
>>55454361
>Umm you don't get to bring friends
Rand is CIA, the power complex, thinking he's a hot shot.
But Trump makes the fire rise
Trump has been struggling in Debates imo
>>55455494
pfft shil hes 69 some fan you are faggot.
>“First of all, Rand Paul shouldn’t even be on this stage, he’s number 11,” Trump said, “he’s got 1 percent in the polls. And how he got up here, there’s far too many people anyway.”
BTFO
>>55455545
>Trump has been struggling in Debates imo
the debates don't seem to matter anymore, he stays top of the polls regardless
Trump supporters probably don't even watch the debates, they vote for him based on the wall etc
if he sticks by his policies, they will stick by him
>>55454361
So do you support the TPP?
Not even a Rand fan, but would vote for him a million times more than I would trump.
Trump is a empty rhetoric spewing retard who spouts memes to try dodging every question...
Mr. Trump, how will you do x, y and z?
Trump- Well, let me tell you, I run a huge business and have billions of dollars. We have to make deals and build a wall and it will work because my kike masters in Israel have a wall that works and did I mention I am rich? I will make America great again and let me tell you, I get ratings for you and let me tell you, I am rich. And let me tell you about China robbing us blind. I make deals. And let me tell you I am rich and will make America great again!
This fat fuck is not anywhere near presidential material.
And no, I am not Mexican, I am Chinese. Fuck Trump.
I prefer Jeb, but would vote Rand. If Trump wins nominee, I'll vote Hillary.
>>55455754
>I prefer Jeb
ayy lmao
>>55455813
My family business always thrives under bushes.
When you grow up, you tend to drop the memes.
>>55455494
He has the momentum and is going to kill everyone. Figuratively speaking.
lol, Paul said China is not part of the TPP which is 100% true.
Trump dosen't even know what the TPP is about. He dosen't know what an H1B visa is. These are his most important issues and he is ignorant on the basic lexicon.
Paul has an A from numbersUSA (anti-amnesty). He's against the TPP and has voted against it.
Paul/Trump unity, but Paul clearly is better suited to be President.
>>55455699
you're probably right, but the debates seem like a good opportunity to win new supporters. The best way to do that is to tear into his opponents, slam their unpopular (with republican voter) positions, and highlight all their flaws and misgivings. But he hasn't done any of that since the first debate.
>>55455918
defense contractor?
>>55456151
>but Paul clearly is better suited to be President
besides that whole electability thing
>>55455699
electoral won't vote
>>55456151
Is there anyone on this planet who is FOR the TPP?
>>55455542
>meme candidate supporters can only frame things in terms of meme
Big surprised.
>Whats that Trump? You want to deport 5 million illegals? You want to break up that family and their relatives? Well that is a fucking stupid idea and you are a stupid man
>Crowd cheers
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Also the part where Carly was trying to get in on a question and Trump told her shes rude and everyone started booing Trump
>China isn't part of the TPP
>TPP plays into China's hands
Pick 2. At no point did the Don say China was part of the deal. He said it doesn't tackle the only real threat we face from them which is currency manipulation. God you people are easy to sway.
The whole "muh jobs" rhetoric over China is stupid. There exists widespread consensus amongst economists over the benefits of free trade:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/26/upshot/economists-actually-agree-on-this-point-the-wisdom-of-free-trade.html
Nobody thinks Texas is worse off because it trades with California. Any distinction between "good" and "bad" trade is utterly arbitrary. Economists have understood how trade works for centuries. Seriously just read a single economics textbook, or hell just google "Comparative advantage", and you will realize everything Trump (or Sanders) says about international trade is utterly retarded. Protectionism is the creationism of economics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXMnAPGY1uE
>>55456597
>NY Times
>literal shills for Wall St
>in charge of fair economics
>>55456280
No. Imports.
>>55454361
Not even the correct quote you fucking moron
>>55456691
http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_0dfr9yjnDcLh17m
>>55454361
TPP is all about China.
>>55456737
>loaded question
Are you even trying?
>>55454361
That's not what this was about. It was about TPP being harmful to USA, because China might get advantage. Trump was talking about China and TPP, but Rand said that China isn't even part of TPP.
>2.--"Competing in the world marketplace": One of the most popular, enduring misconceptions of practical men is that countries are in competition with each other in the same way that companies in the same business are in competition. Ricardo already knew better in 1817. An introductory economics course should drive home to students the point that international trade is not about competition, it is about mutually beneficial exchange. Even more fundamentally, we should be able to teach students that imports, not exports, are the purpose of trade. That is, what a country gains from trade is the ability to import things it wants. Exports are not an objective in and of themselves: the need to export is a burden that a country must bear because its import suppliers are crass enough to demand payment. - Paul Krugman
Krugman is on the same side as fucking Austrians, that should tell you how strong the consensus in favour of free trade is amongst economists.
>>55456280
>
Kek
>MUH CHINA
Is this how Trump is going to be in all future debates? He already got stumped this debate but does he really have it in him for more without looking like a total ass clown?
>>55456597
>What are "countries".
>>55456384
oligarchs and their agents
>>55456859
>arbitrary lines on a map magically make people either better or worse off when they trade
>>55456384
Obama, Rubio, Bush and Kasich I think, Clinton when she is actually in office.
>>55456852
I would trust his knowledge of the world market place over yours.
>>55454361
>China doesn't even trade with the united states
You're an idiot
>>55456967
He is a businessman, not an economist.
>>55456720
You fucking shill. No wonder you're against trump. Trump wouldn't just build a wall, he'd enact tariffs too. He'd enact the type of protectionist policies that made America great in the first place.
Problem is peddlers of imported goods like you will be fucked. Better move into manufacturing, bucko. Or better yet, construction. We're gonna need contractors to build that wall.
>>55456502
for you
>>55454361
>China doesn't even trade with the united states
why does all my shit say made in china then
>>55456955
So that's why the media jumped to Rubio after Bush tanked.
>>55455494
Because it benefits China. It goes through and they're the big winners.
>>55456563
He pretty explicitly thinks the deal is about China
>Trump:Yes. Well, the currency manipulation they don’t discuss in the agreement, which is a disaster. If you look at the way China and India and almost everybody takes advantage of the United States — China in particular, because they’re so good. It’s the number-one abuser of this country. And if you look at the way they take advantage, it’s through currency manipulation. It’s not even discussed in the almost 6,000-page agreement. It’s not even discussed.
>>55456995
>He is a businessman.
Exactly. And one of the best in the world. Again, he's smarter than anyone on this board on this subject
>>55456151
Trump covered corporate inversion and he needs to bring it up again. It's the reason companies take business and jobs out of the country.
>>55457078
Yes, absolutely.
As far as non-shills are concerned, this a Paul/Trump election. Cruz sounds good but I don't think he's genuine. Everyone else is the same.
Trump is my second choice but I don't believe he is as knowledgeable as Paul, and he has to be to make real change happen.
>>55457141
His dad was rich...
>>55457141
He doesn't know shit about economics. You don't need to in order to be a good businessman.
>>55457118
No, because the deal is literally gonna fuck us over, and China is gonna take huge advantage out of it.
Fuck off randlet, shills like you make /pol/ shit.
>>55457241
Yeah and he multiplied that cash big time.
>>55457113
Not true, the deal would hurt China but benefit every other country aside from the U.S. TPP is bad and is mostly not trade related (there are internet censorship regulations in the deal) which is why it is horrible.
Repeat, TPP is not a trade deal with China.
>>55454361
>"Ummm actually Mr. Trump, China doesn't even trade with the united states so your wrong ok?"
WHAT IS THIS CRAP?
HOW DOES CHINA NOT TRADE WITH THE USA WHEN ALL THE FUCKING SHIT FROM APPLE IS MADE IN FUCKING CHINA?!?!?!?!?
Wow Rand Paul is a fucking idiot. I can't believe he said that irrelevant shit to Trump last night. Trump was saying that China would take advantage of the fact that we were in TPP and they weren't. Rand just reaffirmed that point.
>>55456926
As you're from a shit country that doesn't matter, your opinion is noted, and then immediately disregarded.
>>55457118
Uhh, to me it looks like his problem is that the deal is NOT about China. His point is that if we don't address China's currency manipulation trade deals amongst ourselves are worthless.
I don't know how Randlet and his stupid supporters can't get this figured out. Did you all fail reading comprehension in school?
>>55457205
Cruz belongs on the Supreme Court
>>55456151
He's a fucking little coward.
>>55455754
>I am Chinese. Fuck Trump.
This is some hysterical shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
>>55457118
TPP is expressly about China.
>>55457297
With casino and 4 bankruptcy
>>55457262
Rand is against the TPP, he voted against it
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/12/rand-paul-comes-out-swinging-against-obamas-secret-trade-deal-amid-collapse/
He just actually knows what is in it.
>>55457311
>not about China. Repeat
Not yet it's not. They'll get in.
>>55457256
You don't to be a good shitposter either.
>>55456832
>TFW Krugman argees with Austrians
>>55457400
He voted against TPA
>>55457311
It is a deal that develops future chinese markets at the expense of american industry.
>>55456384
rand paul
>>55457311
How will TPP hurt China? If we're all getting fucked do you think China will just sit by and let that advantage pass? Idiot. People who didn't understand Trump's statement are beyond retarded.
>>55457399
Strategic bankruptcy. He even admitted that he only did it because American business made it possible.
>>55457453
it is ostensibly about north america and the pacific rim hedging against china, but of course america is going to the shit end of the stick as usual and the less developed countries and other rivals will benefit from a worse off America.
>>55456280
No, suicide bombers
>>55457384
Hysterical in what sense?
Trump is retarded blaming China for everything.
>>55457395
You're ignorant to the facts.
http://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00030/.
CAN'T HANDLE THE RANDALL
>>55457748
And your ignorant to look at the small picture.
>>55457435
Where are you getting this from? I too am against TPP, but it is not about China.
>>55457748
If you oppose free trade deals, be angry about Peru, Vietnam, Mexico etc, but China is not involved. If anything, it's a deal against China.
I oppose TPP because most of the legislation does not have to do with trade and will censor the internet.
>>55457748
China is part of the TPP.
>>55457815
Ok then, how does this benefit China if they are not even at the negotiating table and we're negotiating with their regional rivals?
Again, I oppose TPP because most of the legislation does not have to do with trade and will censor the internet.
>>55457686
The fact that Trump is able to stand in front of millions of people and and blame China (in this video) or Mexico for every problem in the US with a straight face is funny.
The fact that anyone takes him seriously is disturbing.
>>55457967
Give me a source.
How China's exclusion from the TPP could hurt its economic growth
http://fortune.com/2015/10/19/china-exclusion-tpp-economic-growth/
Here's another from me that China is not.
>>55457643
>hedging against china,
Except as Trump said, it does not address China's currency manipulation at all. Again, all the trade deals in the world mean nothing if China can simply change the value of their currency to make their exports more advantageous.
>>55458064
They benefit when America loses.
And China and Russia are to be invited later on the deal.
>>55454361
>China doesn't even trade with the united states so your wrong ok
wait what?
>>55458064
You sound like you support it.
>how does this benefit China
If TPP passes, America is gonna get fucked over by the trade deal with different countries, and China is gonna snatch all of the industry jobs that leaves.
China will gut US if TPP is passed.
Also Randlet, he voted against TPA, not TPP.
>>55456971
This. It's painfully obvious this rand shill has no idea that most things are made in china, saying they don't trade with usa is beyond retarded
>>55458135
Of course it doesn't, CHINA IS NOT APART OF THE TPP!
>>55457748
>>55458134
Are you also upset that the Iran deal did not deal with China's currency manipulation?
Poll:Trump wins, Paul gets 7%
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/11/11/donald-trump-marco-rubio-won-gop-debate-poll-finds/
Even with the full force of shill's, Paul can't break 10%
>>55457748
>major export markets of China unite in a ring around the Chinks
>nothing to do with China can you even read a picture look that's everyone but China
Manlet, I...
>>55457686
says chinman ranting about "kike masters"
>>55458134
You are literally retarded, the TPP fast track gives the president authority to enter into any trade deal he wants. China is readying it's part in the trade deal at APEC. The TPP is a trojan horse for China.
>>55458277
That is not what he said.
PAUL:
Hey, Gerard, you know, we might want to point out China is not part of this deal.
(UNKNOWN)
True. It’s true.
BARTIROMO:
That’s right. That’s right.
Paul:There is an argument that China doesn’t like the deal, because in us doing the deal, we’ll be trading with their competitors. You’re exactly right. But I think we’ve sort of missed the point a little bit here.
There is an important point, though, about how we discuss these trade treaties that I do agree with Mr. Trump on. We should negotiate from a position of strength. And we also should negotiate using the full force and the constitutional power that was given to us. I think it’s a mistake that we give up power to the presidency on these trade deals. We give up the power to filibuster, and I’m kind of fond of that power.
(LAUGHTER)
We give up the power to amend. And I think, really, one of the big problems we have in our country is, over the last century, really, so much power has gravitated to the executive branch. Really, Congress is kind of a bystander. We don’t write the rules. We don’t make the laws. The executive branch does. So even in trade — and I am for trade — I think we should be careful about giving so much power to the presidency.
>>55458177
That's already happening. The question is really why would you vote for or against from the technical standpoint, why for or against based on what's written in it. If somebody is for without even reading it, then something fishy is going on.
>>55458307
Scientific debate polls take a week to finalize.
>>55458383
The op summed it up, and his summary was wrong, that is what I pointed out. I have little knowledge of the TPP but if trump says it's bad, I'll trust a millionare sooner than a whining manlet
>>55456151
>Paul clearly is better suited to be President.
Since when has "suitability to be president" ever been a factor in politics?
You people do realize that the US doesn't have a free floating dollar, either? We have what's called a "dirty float." It's one of the things that the Federal Reserve does.
>>55458478
From a technical standpoint, I can't support it because sites like this would be shut down.
That's right.
>>55458514
TPP is all about shipping the most costly american jobs to india and china.
Trump isn't wrong, and Rand is a stupid bastard.
>>55458592
Basically Australia is pushing this TPP, which means they will have more Asian immigrants in future on the expense of their own type of EU trade. Those that are the member of TPP can then decide to take in people who they consider worthy, it's possible China is worthy enough.
USA-->EU-->TPP = get ready for Goobacks race.
>>55458480
>scientific debates
all polls by media are rigged and inaccurate.
I am surprised the puerto Rican who post the meme about trump being stump is fake because trump can't be stump hasn't appear yet.
maybe even him realized that trump was shit last night.
by the way just to let you all know
"the wages are too high"
>>55455754
Communist scum
>>55458915
fascist scum
>>55458803
>get more cute Asian girls
>>55458177
Yes, TPA is apart of TPP and he has said he's against TPP generally.
In spite of the fact I have to copypastaed
>I oppose TPP because most of the legislation does not have to do with trade and will censor the internet.
You still claim you think I'm for it.
So, if you oppose the deal you should know why you do. It's not a deal with China, and if anything this deal specifically would hurt China.
So any opposition to the deal is welcome, but just be educated and don't support someone who can't accurately critique a problem.
>>55457022
You're a big guy
>>55458882
The minimum wage IS too high.
The minimum wage shouldn't be the living wage, and if we decrees it, small businesses could hire more people.
>>55459028
You sound like a shill.
>>55458713
Neither China or India are involved in the TPP.
>>55457748
>>55458134
>>55458383
" Mr. Trump, Me and my 3% of the vote are going to beat you!"
>>55459108
>WILL
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>>55459091
I'm sorry I bothered to post sources rather than regurgitated defenses against muh teflon candidate.
>>55458882
> shit tier English
You must be a spic.
Build wall.
>>55459165
>muh Detroit republican
Trump's point was that the TPP doesn't deal with currency manipulation which mean's its fucking useless in regards to China.
And China will backdoor into it anyway.
Paul's comment has no relation to that.
Only idiot's who didn't watch the debate would think he did.
>>55456151
>Paul said China is not part of the TPP which is 100% true.
Secretary Kerry invited China and Russia to join the TPP recently.
>http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/21891-secretary-john-kerry-invites-russia-and-china-into-tpp
>>55455494
Thinly veiled shill.
>>55455919
Rare
>>55459284
>doesn't deal with currency manipulation
Everybody in the world is manipulating their currency atm. What was he expecting?
The people in this thread don't get that China is holding out on the TPP to get a better deal, and they will. That was Trump's whole point. To suggest that China will not be part of the TPP is epically fucking stupid, and does not understand how China negotiates deals. I have 15 years of experience in international business.
>>55459116
Trump was polling at 1% in mid June.
Hell, Bill Clinton got less than 3% in the 1992 Iowa Caucus, but he still came back to win the Presidency. Tom Harkin won the 1992 Iowa Democratic Caucus.
>>55459401
>China is holding out on the TPP to get a better deal, and they will
Such as what?
>>55454836
>We're going to make deals. Bigger, better deals. You guys know that I am like, totally super rich right? Also, this is a country of LAWS. And these LAWS will soon have WALLS. So don't go thinking anyone is going to be winning anymore than we, or us. People will say "why are you winning so much". And I'll tell them: this is tremendous, so tremendously fantastic, that have built walls for our laws, and I am also VERY militaristic, and I almost always have a gun on me. Also, I am very, very rich
wow, such great points he made
>>55454361
rand is ususally cool but was a nasty, dishonest remark. really low class.
>>55459548
Nice strawman.
>>55455699
the problem is that most of his "base" won't be able to vote unless their mom stays home from work so she can drive them to the polls
>>55459473
As far as deals with foreign countries go, it doesn't get much worse than the TPP for the U.S., unless you count the iran deal.
Seriously, it brings on like 3 more insignificant countries into our trade spheres, centralizes the power of the government, and enacts a slew of restrictions to individual rights and copyright usage.
>>55455754
Confirmed c.uck
>>55459341
But they are not in the negotiations.
if they were in the negotiations, Trump would be right. But they aren't.
>>55459284
OK, let's look at the countries in the negotiations.
>>55457748
What leverage does Vietnam have on China's currency manipulation?
What leverage does Mexico have on China's currency manipulation?
What leverage does Peru have on China's currency manipulation?
>>55459379
No, America is not run by people with American-centric interests.
It is run by people who get benefits in their international investment's.
China is different because it is traditionally isolationist so seek's to improve itself by fucking over everyone else which is fair enough.
America is run by internationalists who don't give a fuck about America but what benefits them in their overseas investment's
>>55459473
China wants push back against Japan, to reunite with Taiwan, increase the presence of the RMB in world trade.
>>55457311
currency manipulation is used to hurt the United States. this is not addressed at all in the TPP so says Trump.
china is the worst offender. so Trump uses them as an example. china not being a part of the TPP doesn't make currency manipluation any less of an issue.
>>55459667
America has leverage against China as does Russia (which is fucking why Obama is so retarded in driving them together).
Even the UK is courting China now, which just show's America's influence is eroding because America was China's biggest partner for ages.
If anything America should be able to keep China in check but hasn't done jack shit.
>>55459606
>trumpbabby detected
>>55459548
Dude, that conjectured excerpt was the funniest thing I have read all day. It was clever, and very funny. Screenshottied.
Thanks for the laugh.
>>55459473
TPP is about copyright protection and China prefers to be able to steal shit without consequence.
That's the whole point of the TPP, to protect US copyright holders who use Asian labor from being "robbed" by Chinese manufacturers who just turn around and make knock offs profiting their own business men.
The rich Americans want their cake and to eat it too.
China is perfectly willing to offer labor to the world, but they're gonna get theirs. They don't give a fuck about the intellectual property rights that have been purchased by American executive class.
>>55459644
I wasn't defending the US involvement in the TPP.
All I asked was, what kind of better deal is China going to get by holding out?
>it brings on like 3 more insignificant countries into our trade spheres
Trade is bad? You're other two points are fine, but that one is odd.
>>55458985
With TPP Australia will also get Mexican girls, since this agreement enables them access to Mexico, then they will able to get high as Americans on cocaine. Besides that Asian telecommunication, workers & banks will be able to come from Asia.
>>55455612
>he's number 11
Rand confirmed for a true Canadian
>>55455918
>my family business is more important than my nation
Get him up against the wall...
Hey guys, did you see drop some zingers on those other nerds?
Anybody wanna pop a wheelie on my skateboard?
>>55459796
>China wants push back against Japan, to reunite with Taiwan, increase the presence of the RMB in world trade.
China has already been told by the IMF (IIRC) that the RMB will become a reserve currency after they allow it to be more freely exchangeable. China has been taking steps in that direction. They don't need the TPP for that.
The TPP is not going to do anything against Japan or Taiwan. It's a nonstarter.
So much for that 15 years experience in international business.
>>55459803
Yeah you fucking idiot because China is not a part of the TPP. The TPP is bad but you're a retard.
omg randlet is so based jk lmao
>>55455754
>preferring Jeb
Are you retarded?
>>55459879
None of that explains why China would want to be part of TPP. It explains why they would NOT want to be a part of it.
>>55455918
>implying the Bushes had something to do with your business's success, and that only under Bushes could you do so
>flat tax
Literally 100% a reason to disregard all his arguments.
I would've agreed back in my libertardian phase, thank god that's over with.
>>55459606
its now a strawman if thats EXACTLY what he says in every single debate
>>55460151
it seems you're having trouble with the connection.
the TPP does not cover currency manipulation, which is part of why it's a shitty deal. China is the biggest offender of currency manipulation. what would be retarded, is bringing up currency manipulation without mentioning China. he's trying to get the people to understand his views, and we understand that China fucks with it's currency.
maybe he should try again, making it simple enough for even a randlet to understand.
you're so desperate to discredit Trump. it's really quite sad, why do you hate America?
>TPP allows signed countries to get materials from countries not part of TPP as rule of origin rule
>Large parts of the deal still secret
Sure sounds like China won't find a way to get around this huh.
>>55460457
Why would a a trade deal where China is not present deal with Chinese currency manipulation?
Currency manipulation is a problem, do you think the Iran deal should also deal with Chinese currency manipulation?
>>55460396
>Implying a flat tax is libertarian
It's idiots like - when you incorrectly thought of yourself as one - that give actual libertarians such a bad reputation.
>>55460436
But that's wrong.
>>55457118
Nowhere in there did he say that China was part of the TPP.
>>55460457
Why wouldn't he give an example of currency manipulation from one of the countries in the TPP?
>>55459803
Yes, the U.S. has leverage, so in order to have a deal about Chinese currency manipulation, China must be present.
When we're negotiating with Vietnam, there is no reason to talk about Chinese currency manipulation because neither party has any authority on that process.
Agree or disagree?
>>55460026
kek, the funniest part isn't even how bad he's failing but how big of an ass he's making of himself while failing.
>>55460583
Then tell me why so many American "Libertarians" support it?
>"No true Libertarians, REAL Libertarians like me dont support any government taxes. DUDE WEED LMAO, Don't tread on me."
>>55460570
>Chinese currency manipulation
you're the only one using that phrase.
the problem is "currency manipulation"
it seems like you are basically pretending to be retarded to ignore the point.
>>55460674
because China is the biggest offended by far. he wants the people to understand his views and agree with him. China as the example accomplishes this. most people don't have any idea what currency manipulation is.
>>55460623
That's why most people aren't rating Trump's comment as "False", but rather "Misleading"
>>55460623
If trump criticizes the deal on the grounds it does not deal with Chinese currency manipulation, and given that vietnam and Peru have no power over Chinese currency manipulation, Trumps point is either a non-sequitur or he thought the TPP involved China.
>>55460457
God dam trumpeters are fucking dense. They just regurgitate what Trump says as a source. Just let Trump do the talking for you m8. You actually manage to make him sound more retarded.
How does a deal that excludes China do anything about Chinese currency manipulation
I'm pretty sure Trump meant that all those countries came together to discuss a very comprehensive trade agreement and didn't even address the matter of China being a major asshole and how to go about it as a united front. It should have a whole section dedicated to "how we are all going to fuck China in the ass if they don't play nice."
>>55460761
>>55457118
>Trump: And if you look at the way they [China] take advantage, it’s through currency manipulation
>>55460759
>Then tell me why so many American "Libertarians" support it?
They don't.
>"No true Libertarians, REAL Libertarians like me dont support any government taxes. DUDE WEED LMAO, Don't tread on me."
It's not even just the hardcore libertarians that don't support the flat tax. You'll notice it's entirely absent from the LP platform.
The tax alternative that enjoys the most support by mainstream libertarians is the national sales tax.
>>55460844
Because they can steal the jobs, do whatever the fuck they want to us after the deal is done?
>>55460843
Trump is talking about dealing with currency manipulation generally, which in the short term mean's indirectly dealing with China since their the biggest abuser.
You fucking retard.
Trump supporters are the cancer killing America. And you filthy fuckin Americans need to stop moving to my glorious Canada.
>>55461079
Build a wall too
Trump said that the TPP was a horrible deal and it didn't address currency manipulation and that China would exploit the deal.
All of these things are true. China doesn't need to be part of the deal in order to exploit it if you consider that many TPP countries already have free-trade agreements with China. Even the United States is negotiating a bilateral investment treaty with China.
>>55461079
i hope you know your legal pot means nothing when you can't download any media you want due to TPP copyright restrictions
>>55460990
I agree a true fundamental libertarian won't but you have to realize that that is what Rand represents. He's more pragmatic than his father. You can go full Libtard overnight. The American people won't be able to swallow it and Washington won't work with him if he did so.
A flat tax is objectively fair to everyone. It would reduce most Americans tax load. The working class for sure which would mean a stronger working class. He also wants to shred the tax code in doing so. We need to. We need to at some point stop and go...guys we've been at making laws for some 300 years now, I think 73,000 pages is too much and only corporations can afford to take advantage of this. This is a step in the right direction.
Notice how Rand was the first to mention the flat tax and now every republican suddenly has their own.
>>55460990
>national sales tax
Oh good lord that's even fucking worse.
>>55456832
>exports are bad!!!!
>nations with high oil exports etc are rich as fuck
U wot m8
>>55454361
>No one has figured that trump is doing it for the lulz.
>>55460761
>because China is the biggest offended by far. he wants the people to understand his views and agree with him. China as the example accomplishes this. most people don't have any idea what currency manipulation is.
What he was doing was trying to use a psychological trick called association. He thinks people have negative views of China, so he tried to associate China with the TPP. Trump is a salesman. He's good at stuff like that.
If people don't understand currency manipulation, then it wouldn't matter which country he picked to use as an example. He picked China because he wants to foster an "us vs them" feeling and no other country in that area is big enough to pose a threat. It's a way that political leaders generate patriotism and rally the country around them.
>>55461018
That's what they do now. How does the TPP directly advantage China in a way it doesn't now? Furthermore and more to the point, how would the TPP curtail Chinese currency manipulation. Stop shifting goal post.
Also everyone here is against the TPP, some of us are just not retarded.
>>55461135
That's why none of the talking heads are running away with Rand's comment. It was entirely unsubstantiated and really only appealed to a select group of teenagers on a containment board of a Filipino painting website.
>>55461311
Anon, what china is doing to us is stabbing us.
What TPP is gonna do is fillet us like a fish.
>>55456926
please see our history if you need an example.
come to america
find native people
trade shiny beads for land
was this a good trade for the indian nations?
there are most definitely good and bad trades you retard. some vary by degree or even can be both good and bad. but they are by no means "utterly arbitrary"
>>55460844
in one of my posts i said that the TPP does not cover currency manipulation "so says Trump"
please try to calm down.
>Chinese currency manipulation
i see that you desperate rand shills are using this phrase, which Trump never used.
there is actually some point to make here but now you're being misleading yourselves. not that there was much credibility to this anyways.
>>55461280
This. And I always love a salesman getting called out on their cheap tricks. It's like when someone tries to sell me something I know more about than they do and I let them talk themselves into a hole and then ask them a damning question and finally reveal my powerlevel. I hate salespeople. Scum of the earth really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raFs7Ghf_Dc
It's time the debates started culling candidates.
Kasich, Carly, and Paul need to be banished to the kiddie table. All they EVER do is get in fights with others.
>>55461202
>Notice how Rand was the first to mention the flat tax and now every republican suddenly has their own.
No. The flat tax has come up every presidential cycle since... who started it? Steve Forbes?
>>55461370
>>55461370
The TPP is bad for us but "China is going to do something trixy and gonna get us from behind and fuck us with their 2 in cock" is the ramblings of someone who has a simplistic understanding of the details.
>>55461211
>>national sales tax
>Oh good lord that's even fucking worse.
Worse than what? A flat tax, where even the poorest who have no marginal income are forced to pay, or the current byzantine tax structure?
Don't take that as a defense of the national sales tax.
>>55461468
>i see that you desperate rand shills are using this phrase, which Trump never used.
He was specifically talking about currency manipulation in regard to china. Just admit for once that Trump said something stupid and get over it.
>>55461645
He talks about currency manipulation in general not being dealt with in TPP which is stupid since its one of the largest impacts on deals, and China is abusing it.
So no your an idiot.
>>55461525
Yeah, I think so. And he lost. Bad. I'm not sure a flat tax could ever be implemented through the phalanx of tax attorneys and CPA's who would be fighting for their professional lives.
>>55461212
There are some pretty wealthy countries on both sides.
>>55461280
>then it wouldn't matter which country he picked
of course it matters.
does it matter to us if the Maldives is doing something bad(currency manipulation)? it's irrelevant to us, they can do whatever they want for all I care.
now China? what they do has a direct impact on America. he is running a campaign you know.
>>55455612
yet Trump has said he would totally learn how to do his job IF he gets elected and Ben Carson admitted he knows nothing about foreign policy.
>>55461344
What? I've read no less than 6 articles on main stream news sources that focused on Rand's comment.
>>55461645
i'm not trying to be dishonest here, but i don't think it was necessarily stupid.
currency manipulation is one of Trumps unique talking points. he used the TPP question to bring it up. obviously I support Donald Trump for President 2016 Make America Great Again! so I see things in a slightly different light than you.
Grand Rand gave Trump a stumping.
>>55461982
mainstream media is dominated by university educated leftist faggots.
So yes its no different then under-aged teenagers
>>55461766
lol ok
>>55454361
>china doesn't trade with the USA
This is factually wrong.
>>55461826
>of course it matters.
>does it matter to us if the Maldives is doing something bad(currency manipulation)? it's irrelevant to us, they can do whatever they want for all I care.
>now China? what they do has a direct impact on America. he is running a campaign you know.
But if what the Maldives is doing is irrelevant, then why would Trump complain that it wasn't in the TPP?
>>55461617
As far as I'm concerned anybody making less than ~25,000-30,000 have no business paying any federal income tax at all.
The prices of commodities and income levels fluctuate on a state level, what would seem like an acceptable tax level in a place like New York could really fuck over somebody in Oklahoma.
State sales tax and income tax make sense because they can adjust them for their own populations, or eliminate them entirely.
>>55462097
... and talking heads are different?
>university educated
Because education is a bad thing.
>>55462128
It's a misquote by OP, the fag. But the actually exchange was hilarious.
>>55455754
>I prefer Jeb
This fuckin' guy.
>If Trump wins nominee, I'll vote Hillary.
You're so obviously a shill for killary. Go home shill.
>>55462192
because currency manipluation as a whole is relevant, to America and Trump's campaign.
it's like you're suggesting he shouldn't have taken the opportunity to speak on his key issues... at the debate. what do you think he was trying to do at the debate?
>>55455754
>I Chinee
>You vote for Trump, you veeeerrry styupid man
>Vote Jeb, he veeerry good for America interest!
>America number one!! Great country for big economy!
>China and America great arry for trades, veeerrry good, we make many dearl
>Manufacture in China, number one! Make America strong, great arries!
>Incentive to manufacture rocarry veeerry very bad, no luck or fortune
>TPP good clean dearl, veeeerry nice! Make America number one!
>Vote Jeb or Hirrary, Trump veeeerry styupid man!
>Thank you for rissen to veeeerrrrrry good opinion from veeerrry nice honest Chinee man, /por/!
>>55454361
He has literally not moved from his position in the Republican party.
>BTFO Rand Paul is worse Paul
Won't go anywhere
:^)
>>55454361
BahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Trumps a faggot
>>55462457
Shut up Ho Chi Minh, go back to making towels for Trump co. You're not supposed to have lunch breaks over there. I don't pay you 10 cents an hour to shitpost
>>55462244
I could agree with that as a compromise. Make a single, $30,000 deductible. Eliminate all of the other deductibles to simplify the tax code. Then raise the deductible every year by inflation +0.5%, so that the income tax is phased out over a long period of time.
>>55462532
"Hurr hurr trump made a funny. I like trump. He wunts to make a wall."
BahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Trump supporters are fucking retarded
>>55462608
>not greentext
shill detected
>>55460140
Well, if what you say is true, China will never join the TPP. Oh well, guess America wins. No need for Rand, vote Jeb or Hillary!
>>55462423
>what do you think he was trying to do at the debate?
I think he tries to use words which generate strong emotional responses in order to rally support. He's very good at that. He's notoriously shallow on the issues.
>>55462661
I am a shill. I'm a mother fucking shill for freedom bitches.
BahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
"Trump says funny things and I laugh. I better vote for him"
BahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
What a bunch of failures
>>55456804
This
>>55454361
So Randlet was shilling for TPP or just wanted to stump the Trump.
>>55462790
>no greentext
Shalom, reddit?
>>55462753
Holy shit how much is Jeb paying you to post here? Trump is by far the least shallow in the issues.
>>55457118
>And if you look at the way they take advantage, it’s through currency manipulation. It’s not even discussed in the almost 6,000-page agreement. It’s not even discussed.
>>55457262
>>55457347
>>55457395
>>55460623
>>55460930
He is saying the TPP does not address how China will have the advantage indirectly.
"Rand Paul's short, donald trumps tall, I'm 9"
Bahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>55462790
Why are you mad, because Rand is a failure to the Paul family, because he is still not polling enough to matter.
>Stay mad
:^)
>>55462843
he wanted a soundbyte but he went on to agree with what trump was trying to say
>>55462457
straya pls
>>55457063
Cause rich white people make their stuff there for cheap and sell high in your country. Even trump made his hats there and sold them in US/mexico.
>>55462532
>>55462608
samefag
>>55462790
>>55462898
Rand supporters, everybody.
>>55462910
"The poll says trumps in the lead. He made a funny. I'm gonna vote for trump"
BahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hello everyone, I'm a trump supporter. I'm fucking retarded.
>>55462936
That image is surprisingly accurate.
>>55462753
as if the other candidates are so deep. Donald Trump as knowledge that is useful in the real world.
>>55462790
Don't you think Trumps ability to make others laugh could be of benefit when dealing with other country's leaders? Not to mention our own representatives.
In order to be a good leader to have to be effective. Humor is not insignificant at all. And he's the only legit funny candidate.
>3%
>>55462869
LOL. Yeah.
>I'll build a wall
How will you pay for it?
>I'll make Mexico pay for it!
How?
>Because I'm such a great negotiator. Trust me. I'll make America Great, again!
The Rand shills on here don't understand how the Republican party works, voting for Rand will get you the establishment pick of Jeb, or Rubio. For fuck sake, Rand hasn't even filed, nor has the support to be on the primary ballot in most states. Rand's campaign ran out of money months ago.
>>55463105
Well, the media is paying for Trump's campaign, so Mexico will probably pay for the wall.
>>55463026
How to be mad about the Republican Party
By >>55463026:
Chapter 34
Picking the wrong Candidate
As it says in the title in the chapter, pick the wrong candidate. If you do this you will be mad, why? Because your a dumbass.
>>55463216
How does a non-establishment candidate get the nomination?
>Rand's campaign ran out of money months ago.
False.
>>55454361
>"Ummm actually Mr. Trump, China doesn't even trade with the united states so your wrong ok?"
Nah.
>Trump explains how TPP doesn't address the elephant in the room.......Chinese currency manipulation.
>Rand has a brain fart and talks about a completely different issue.
>Mods have to literally tell Rand to shut the fuck up and take the tinfoil out of his ears.
This was how I saw it as a britbong.
If you murricunts don't vote Trump in this election, you might as well off yourselves, because that's that with the western world, was a nice run.
No one will be able to deal with the coming crash, except Trump. And after the crash, Putin will be there, hungry for revenge. Only Trump can save us.
>>55463359
Not for long
>>55463295
You know how Trump is going to claim he did it, assuming he gets the chance? By raising tariffs on Mexican imports. The problem is, it's American's who have to actually pay the tariff, not Mexicans. But anti-free traders don't understand that stuff.
>>55458915
>Supports Rand Paul over Trump
>Communist
wut
>>55463216
No you're right we should vote for the guy who supports socialized medicine a tax plan that Paul Krugman endorses and who is further left than Obama on trade because he says funny things about beaners and leftfags
>>55463052
This isn't real estate. This is leader of the free world, macro-economics, political philosophy, geo politics, things he show little knowledge of.
Rand has basically an autistic knowledge of these things. Ron probably beat it into him as a child.
>>55455754
>I prefer Jeb,
you just lost all credibility you fucking gook.
>>55463530
>Ron probably beat it into him as a child.
Entirely possible. It's obvious Ron starved him enough to stunt his growth.
>>55463410
Shut up hanz. You're in no position to sound off on how to choose good leaders.
>>55463617
Shut up shill, go and prep the mexican bull for your wife. Ching chong will be filming today.
>>55462886
And that's why Trump wasn't stumped.
>>55463052
>as if the other candidates are so deep. Donald Trump as knowledge that is useful in the real world.
Trump would be as rich as he is if he had simply put his daddies 40 million dollar inheritance into a mutual fund. I think its good that he tried to make businesses and was successful at some, but he's hardly some business genius and his colleagues have been far more successful. Trump is just successful at selling Trump and has made a career of pushing his public image.
Not to mention his use of eminent domain which is shysty as fuck.
>>55463617
Fuck off, kcukold. Hanz is right, trump will make America white.
>>55463613
Lol.
I can imagine it now. Ron standing in the open doorway with a staircase leading down into the basement. Randal in a dark damp corner. "Please feed me. I'm hungry"
Ron: "Not until you tell me what Adams said about tariffs, you little shit!"
