Is Ben Carson right that slavery is why the US prospered? Can we be great again if we legalize slavery again like it was during our nation's first century?
industrial revolution made america strong, so no, not at all
>>55447224
Yeah, the industrial revolution did that, not slavery.
>>55447502
>industrial revolution made america strong, so no, not at all
Yeah but the machinery used during the industrial revolution was made entirely out of cotton picked by slaves. Therefore marijuana.
>>55447502
/thread
Can ben drop off now?
>>55447502
This.
>>55447224
Also Fractional Reserve Banking was tested in a few of the colonies which turned them into overnight success stories, then they bankrupted quickly when they couldn't meet the interest burden.
>I know more about American history than this nigger does.
LEL...
The US prospered because it was mostly uninhabited and had vast reserves of natural resources. In America the government literally gave land away for the asking while in Europe land ownership was generally the privilege of the elite. Basically this allowed every single american to become a self sufficient farmer.
>>55447568
>>55447224
He also forgets our massive tariffs and protectionist/isolationist attitudes.
>>55447224
>USA number one economic power in 1876
Nope.
>Is Ben Carson right that slavery is why the US prospered?
Yes. America is and always has been an owner society.
>>55447710
I too lel'd.
That was literally the height of the British empire.
I think he has his timelines mixed up.
America became extremely prosperous just before WW2 ended.
That's probably the peak of American power and global dominance, prosperity etc.
What is it with America and ill educated blacks somehow managing to get near to the White house?
>>55447568
WRONG! Ben said the machinery was made out of GRAIN!
>>55447646
Don't forget the mule that went with the 40 acres.
>>55447224
Slavery actually hampered our economic growth. Only the top 1% of southerners owned slaves, and slaves represented free labor. The average white southerner couldn't compete with free labor when they had families to feed, which resulted in large scale poverty across the south. Big reason why blacks and rednecks have an animosity to each other.
>>55447906
This. Another good point.
Why hire staff and create jobs when you can have slaves to do it all for free?
Where did Dr Ben get his degree in medicine from?
>>55447976
>Where did Dr Ben get his degree in medicine from?
According to himself god gave him all the answers in his dreams. not even fucking joking
>>55447710
yeah, maybe 1920 or something but damn.
nigger should know his history better
>>55448026
What?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>55447976
I'm willing to bet the same place he got his full ride scholarship offer from
>>55447906
Damn Abraham Lincoln was based.
See American history is interesting, to those of you Americans that said nothing interesting has happened in your history.
>>55447710
You don't think $4800 (2009 dollars) per capita was wealthy? That's almost half as good as Mexi¢o today. Imagine all the tacos we could afford.
>>55448127
he said usa was number one economic power in the world 1876 which isnt true. britans gdp was so much larger at the time
>>55447224
>Is Ben Carson right that slavery is why the US prospered? Can we be great again if we legalize slavery again like it was during our nation's first century?
You are literally a dumbass.
Yay Murka awesome because slavery!
Yay Slavery awesome!
The Stabber says The Affordable Care Act is Slavery.
YAY OBAMACARE AWESOME!!!
>>55448184
They had the advantage of not having slaves that needed feeding. They didn't have to share their tea tacos with anyone.
>>55448056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEiBidpOzbs
>>55447224
A lot of the founders actually wanted to outlaw slavery from the beginning, but the political will to keep it around was simply too strong.
Too much of the population didn't believe black people were human thanks to religion.
>>55447224
Are you trolling or just fucking stupid because you base your knowledge on what Rage Against the Machine told you?
>>55448229
If Jeb! can have a pet human, why not everyone else?
carson doesn't know shit about anything that isn't brain surgery, and even then, I sure as shit wouldn't trust this muttering oaf to dick around with my brain
>>55448260
I'm sure it has nothing to do with affirmative action. Nothing at all.
Holy fuck America please keep this idiot out of the White House. I hope you've learned your lesson from Obama.
>>55448271
No they didn't, Washington himself owned slaves, like a true English gentlemen!!!
When the British empire outlawed slavery your leaders ordered gunships to fire on our anti slave patrol ships.
Some founders were against it but the majority wanted to keep it.
>>55448315
Jesus speaks to Ben and me. Don't be jealous.
>>55447568
Carson pls
>>55447976
Johns Hopkins lol
>>55447224
>1876
>slavery
Lel
>>55447224
That statement isn't even true. Reeks of Murikanism.
America was an isolated second rate power until the 20th century.
>>55448739
That's not even funny. It's genuinely upsetting that such institutions would be tainted.
First Yale, now this.
>>55447906
> slave free labor
> reason why blacks and rednecks have an animosity to each other
Could you try not to be retarded for five minutes? Just five minutes a day and see where that takes you?
There has never been a redneck born who could grasp that level of nuance in economics and labor. Even today you could take 1000 rednecks and draw the lines through all the dots and demonstrate beyond doubt that relationship and they still wouldn't get it, living in today's world.
The "animosity" ... and, y'know, fuck the $10 college words: it's pure, distilled hatred ... exists because the dregs of society require someone or something below them to vent their hatred and frustrations upon. Someone with black skin is easy to see visually and they are clearly lower in the social order because they are slaves. It's that simple.
Your poor redneck living in a house with a pigshit floor was so fucking miserable they needed someone to blame, someone to hate for their poverty-infested excuse for an existance. It was outside their ability to comprehend why they were so poor and who was doing it to them, so they whoreshipped the rich people because by doing so they might magically be that rich person someday somehow by virtue of also being white. Because blacks were the slaves, the creatures that weren't human, just animals to be rage-whipped when a redneck needed to bear something up that couldn't fight back.
A couple hundred years over a dozen generations of moonshine-soaked breeding and you have the hatred baked into the very genetics.
Or, as we refer to them today: Republicans. The ultimate keks.
>>55447224
No OP,
If you listen to anything Carson says that isnt about medicine then your a moron
muh reparations to follow
>>55448749
He said less than 100 years, not exactly 100 years. Bet you're one of those people who doesn't believe he had a full scholarship to Space Camp.
>>55448853
I dont think that its tainted per say. Its just that Medicine is his specialty and he let a lot of his personal views from when he grew up to slant his viewpoints. I mean I heard him speak and besides his medical views (He said American health care did need some fixing), Everything he thinks can be summed up by a combination of the Bible and Ayn Rand Novels
And if I remeber correctly he did do his undergrad at Yale
>>55449059
It doesn't really matter which points he said, the fact is all of what he said is fucking wrong as this thread has just torn it apart.
Like I tore ur mums fuck flaps apart last night.
>>55447224
There was no entrepreneurial risk tasking and capital investment. The rich men of Europe became the rich men of America. His speech is feel good shit for Americans. Presidents are pointless popularity contestants.
>>55448429
Ben Franklin himself founded the first abolitionist organization, and gave stated one of the major reason we needed to separate from great britain was because of their upholding of the institution.
Also, Washington freed his slaves after the founding of our republic.
>>55447224
Of course not. If so, Central and South America would have prospered just as much as the US.
The US prospered because European colonists created a culturally European country.
>>55449181
Yeah I was thinking Franklin he was the more forward thinking founder.
The only reasons slaves of the founders were given liberation is because it was promised to them if they served as cannon fodder for the American militias fighting the crown.
No more, no less. You hired a Scottish naval many to control your "navy lel" to fire upon our anti slave ships because you continued the practice of slavery long after we outlawed it.
This isn't open for debate, it's fact.
>>55449293
Can you link me some literature to read on the subject? I'd love to learn more about it.
I've always known the whole narrative "oh the founders were ebul racists" was bullshit, but it doesn't surprise me that our government would do questionable things like that
>>55448429
>yfw we outlawed the slave trade a month before you
>>55447224
>Is Ben Carson right that slavery is why the US prospered?
they certainly cornered cotton market or something like that, but prospered?
>>55449504
They were racist as fuck, by our standards. They were rather progressive in their time.
>>55448880
>Or, as we refer to them today: Republicans. The ultimate keks.
You mean the party that freed the slaves? The party of Martin Luther King, Jr.? It's only a relatively recent development that Republicans have become the party of poor Southern whites. There are still plenty of old Southerners around who were Democrats. It wasn't until Nixon that the party demographics changed.
>>55449737
Wonder what they would have thought about transsexuals.
Ww2 made us the world power we are today. We lost the least amount of men and got the most production and military intelligence thanks to Britain. Weeeee!
>>55449883
>Ww2 made us the world power we are today
That had more to do with the giant spending and tax cuts that happened in the late forties, combined with the electrical grid being established
>>55449181
>one of the major reason we needed to separate from great britain was because of their upholding of the institution.
Kek and yet if you had actually stayed with Britain you would have gotten rid of slavery faster.
>>55450063
>electrical grid
TVA for all.
>>55450097
>Kek and yet if you had actually stayed with Britain you would have gotten rid of slavery faster.
The enormous irony is that we really would be better off economically. Our own government has grown into such a worse entity than the crown was, we pay far higher taxes than we did under the crown, our economic mobility is hampered much more as well. It does sadden me.
>>55448114
There's no doubt that our history is some of the most fascinating in the history of the world.
It's just that having it repeatedly told to you for decades in the most idealized and sugarcoated way possible gets real fucking irritating.
>>55447906
>and slaves represented free labor.
Slaves aren't free. You have to buy them, feed them, house them from the elements, and pay for security so they don't escape. But I take it all you mean is slaves are cheaper than hiring a free man, but if slaves are cheaper...
>Only the top 1% of southerners owned slaves
...How could that be? It sounds like slaves were expensive, explaining why so few people could afford to own them. Maybe slaves were only profitable with economies of scale over long periods of time. Or maybe they were also low in supply, so those 1% had to bid very high to own them.
>The average white southerner couldn't compete with free labor when they had families to feed
So if slaves are prohibitively expensive, that doesn't make sense. But let's ignore that. Let's say they can't compete with slaves for the sake of argument. It still doesn't make sense because only 1% of the population owns slaves. Are those 1% the only employers in the south? It stands to reason that a portion of the other 99%, would also be employers, who don't have slaves, and must resort to hiring free men.
But what you really mean is on some level slaves displaced the free southern worker, specifically in agriculture, and drove their wages down. That's true. But slavery also made agrarian products cheaper, so everyone's purchasing power for those products increased - they have more goods than before.
X group's wages don't matter when measuring the prosperity of an economy as a whole. By this logic, going back in time and selling slaver's robots to do the work would harm their economy, even though we just added robots (wealth) to their economy, slaves are also wealth.
But after all this I agree slavery actually hampered the south's economic growth, for different reasons. Slaves don't gain human capital, which is the most important resource. An educated slave that is free to produce or provide what he desires is a greater asset to the economy than a cotton picker.
>>55447224
no what he's talking about is actually more about the money you can make off short term land grab and resource pillaging
>1876
>USA #1
You cannot argue this if you have even a pedestrian understanding of history. This is during the period where the British Empire was at its height and America had only a fraction of its now 50 states.
>>55447906
>source cited: ihr.org
that is a holocaust denier group FYI not a reputable source for historical quotes...
i just want all you republikiddies to know where your oh so edgy ideology comes from. it comes from lies.
>>55450728
>if slaves are prohibitively expensive, that doesn't make sense
What does not make sense? A slave performing labour for X amount is not related to the cost of slave ownership.
>>55450825
Solution: make more land.
Ben don't need no graphs.
>>55447224
Anyone got that picture of Carson spend at the third debate?
>>55451509
Ben Carson at any debate.
>>55447224
The rich would get richer and fuck everyone else. So yeah, the current Republican dream.
