Why does conservatism appeal to low I.Q. people so much?
>>55434715
Strange, I have a study that says the exact opposite.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614001081
> In all three cases, individuals who identify as Republican score slightly higher than those who identify as Democrat; the unadjusted differences are 1–3 IQ points, 2–4 IQ points and 2–3 IQ points, respectively.
>>55434715
Because the people with a higher iq go to college where most of them get brainwashed.
>>55434715
Because low IQ people tend to live around niggers
>>55434785
>Because the people with a higher iq go to college where most of them get brainwashed.
Apparently you have never been to a place of higher education.
>>55434820
If it is an american study it could be that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOWQbRt8FbY
>>55434820
About the people going because they have higher IQs or liberalism being the only thing taught? One of them is 50% right the other is 100%. Hint, they are in order.
>>55434820
>implying Western Academia isn't a progressive Marxoid egalitarian faggot factory
![Lib-cons-TFR-30-43-IQ[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/hoBRIWz.png "Lib-cons-TFR-30-43-IQ[1].png")
>>55434715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlNIVXpIns
Cool graph OP, here's mine.
>For all groups, those with WORDSUM scores of 7-8 are the most numerous, but the ratio of 6:7-8 steadily shrinks as you go Liberal -> Conservative. As we see here, for the liberals who are reproducing, it is the dumbest ones who are breeding most. The opposite is true for conservatives. Not only will conservatives come to numerically dominate liberals in the future, conservatives will soon intellectually dominate liberals as well.
>>55434715
> using barely clear self-definitions
> not actual political affiliations
Even Pew recognizes democrats are significantly more ignorant than republicans
> Republicans generally outperformed Democrats on the current quiz. On 13 out of the 19 questions, Republicans score significantly higher than Democrats and there are no questions on which Democrats did better than Republicans. In past knowledge quizzes, partisan differences have been more muted, though Republicans often have scored somewhat higher than Democrats.
Questions on current politics and on geography show particularly wide differences. For example, Republicans are 19 points more likely than Democrats to know that the Republican Party has a majority in just the House of Representatives, and 14 points more likely to know that John Boehner is the speaker of the House. On international questions, Republicans are much more likely to be able to identify Israel on a map (67% vs. 51%), and more likely to know that Greece is the European country experiencing debt problems (71% vs. 54%). Additionally, more Republicans than Democrats could locate Brazil on a map (84% vs. 73%).
>>55434715
1. Smart people land in college, academia, do more school years and so on - where liberal brainwashing happens.
I grew up conservative, then teachers tried their best to ridicule that and now in university - well you can imagine what's going on here.
2. Intelligent people are more likely to end up in jobs with a certain hard-to-change political orientation - think journalists vs. welders.
3. Intelligent people usually end up with higher social status that both allows them to ignore societal problems, but also makes it riskier to voice controversial opinions.
4. This is more a US thing (but that's where retarded juxtapositions like "liberal" as an opposite to conservative come from): Hardcore conservative opinions are intellectually flawed whereas hardcore liberal positions are rather morally flawed.
You get more crazies on the liberal side, but more dinosaur-deniers on the conservative side.
5. Education raises IQ, education is worse in the country than in the cities, country is traditionally more conservative.
Those are some reasons I can come up with.
>>55434967
The actual reason is that there are a lot of left-wing blacks that call themselves social conservatives because they hate gays, and they bring the conservative average down
You will NEVER see the "hurr durr conservatives are dumb" people actually measuring political affiliations because they would get wrecked
One can't ignore that the IQ with the highest world IQ (Japan) is also a very conservative right-wing country
Social-Leftists only really exist in the West and they are more a historical abnormality than an actual result of some intellectual process
>>55434715
Libertarians score higher than either, is libertarianism the correct ideology?
>>55434715
Because progressive ideas mean change and lot of thinking. Change means effort and thinking is hard for low IQ people. Better stay with traditions and don't fix what's not broken.
You can't have high IQ if you didn't understand that yourself.
>This study
You DO know that 99% of all Mensa and Tripple Nine Society members (those people have the absolute highest IQ in the world) are libertarian, don't you?
That would also explain the unpopularity of libertarian ideas throughout the world - there not a single nation where smart people are a majority.
>>55434715
Neo-conservative propaganda is made to appeal to lower class whites and therefore relies heavily on fear, hatred and pride. Intelligent people tend to be more empathetic and therefore they can see through the simplistic nationalism and xenophobia. Unfortunately they're still operating on an emotional level to determine their political beliefs, which leads them to accept some pretty unrealistic bullshit. The next level which your chart doesn't show is people who operate with objective reasoning. These people are not going to fit nicely into either conservative or liberal since having a nuanced perspective of the world doesn't allow you to just pick a team and submit yourself to everything they dictate.
>>55435099
> Because progressive ideas mean change and lot of thinking.
Do they really?
They seem to be more about following whatever TV says and repeating moral platitudes randomly
>>55434715
Liberalism is a fucking mental disorder
>>55435135
The country with the highest IQ in the world (Japan) absolutely rejected the international request of them opening the borders for Syria
Thus
> Intelligent people tend to be more empathetic and therefore they can see through the simplistic nationalism and xenophobia.
is clearly false
Intelligent people can plan for the future and they are smart enough to realize that moral egalitarianism is an abstraction that has nothing to do with the real world
>>55435134
I call bullshit. People with extremely high IQ's skew either Far-Right or Far-Left
have you ever thought about that being either a rigged study or just that high iq people go to university, which is cramped full of cultural-marxist propaganda, claiming to be "liberal"?
>>55435269
http://www.triplenine.org/poll/press.htm
First link in google.
Conservatism, at least in the United States, appeals to stupid people because they're unable to grasp the laborious concepts of liberalism.
That's why your average mathematician/scientist is a Democrat, and your average garbage man/white trash redneck is a Republican.
>>55434715
what kind of liberalism are we talking about?
>>55435281
it does not need to be rigged
The whole problem is that they are measuring self-identification, which means a lot of blacks will self-identify as conservative
They don't call themselves liberals even when they want them leftist gibsmedat
see: http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/02/04/196046/are-african-americans-conservative-or-is-ideological-self-identification-meaningless/
>>55435317
Except they were not actually asking for party identification you moron
>>55434715
Will you look at all these ultra-liberal paradises.
>>55434925
>>implying Western Academia isn't a progressive Marxoid egalitarian faggot factory
Right, because when you study Physics or Engineering Marxism will certainly be part of the curriculum. Dumb fuck.
Btw, I highly doubt you even know what Marxism. And please don't even make an even bigger idiot out of yourself by posting a wikipedia link in reply.
>>55435317
Most STEM students have Conservative leanings.
![[Shimimaru] -Joou- Series - -Queen- Series Ch. 1-5 [English] [Hot Cocoa].png](https://i.imgur.com/Uf9VxxR.png "[Shimimaru] -Joou- Series - -Queen- Series Ch. 1-5 [English] [Hot Cocoa].png")
>>55434715
>liberal voting bloc is a mash-up of nigs, mexicans, and women
>conservatives are mostly white men
>the majority of white men are apparently the low iq retards
>>55435371
The western country with the highest IQ also has the best polling national-right party of all of Western Europe
>>55435369
What's the difference? Conservatives vote Republican and Liberals vote Democrat.
>>55435099
bttbhf!
>>55435413
No, they don't.
>>55434715
Low IQ is associated with low trust.
>>55435420
You're telling me. 33%
>>55435403
>Marxist
The world would be better off if you killed yourself Karl
>>55434967
>I grew up conservative, then teachers tried their best to ridicule that and now in university - well you can imagine what's going on here.
This, honestly. I've had the same trouble at university. They ridicule right-wing ideas like they're earning money from it.
>>55435413
>>55435455
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/only-six-percent-of-scien_n_229382.html
>>55435403
At my university there are 3 physics majors and hundreds of psychology majors in my year level. The amount of engineers, while being many times larger than the physicists, is still smaller. The fact that you actually think that the STEM majors represent a significant portion of the college and university-goers for the majority of campuses (I'm not talking about STEM oriented campuses such as QUT or MIT) tells me you have no idea whatsoever what it's like to be in the tertiary education system. You're probably a retarded highschooler.
>>55434715
>106 iq
>high
pick one
>>55435369
>Panama
Shouldn't you be picking bananas or something? Or is your daddy one of those amigos that got rich by ripping of the other banana pickers and now calls himself El Presidente or Generalisimo da la Toiletta Panama Imperiale?
>>55435488
>HuffPost
I'm sure your liberal paper proves my reality wrong :^)
>>55435488
>55-6 = 49
>51% of scientists unrepresented
>Huffjenkem post
You do realize that the republican agenda doesn't match ANY conservative ideology completely right? Let alone all conservatives.
>>55434715
>ead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario
> psychology
Psychology isn't a science.
http://www.brocku.ca/psychology/people/hodson.htm
"My primary research interests examine intergroup processes related to prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination."
Fuck off.
>>55434715
>le unedumakated kunservative maymay
>>55434764
/thread and sage
>>55435505
Calm down Angela
>>55435134
This. True libertarianism is the superior ideology in all aspects and almost always favored by intelligent people. Its just that the masses of retards pander to extremes and the virtuous and humane ideologies get shat on by both sides... just like the ruling elite wants. This is also why Ron Pauls stolen presidency was the saddest event in recent history, he could've initiated something great.
>>55435505
>Generalisimo da la Toiletta Panama Imperiale
jej!
>>55434715
IQ test says conservatives are less intelligent than whites:
>You can't argue with the science. Liberals are objectively more intelligent than other people.
IQ test says blacks are less intelligent than whites:
>IQ is a social construct. These tests are designed by racist whites who want to make blacks look bad.
>>55434715
Because conservatism is for the very rich or for peasants. And peasants are more numerous.
>>55435431
> Conservatives vote Republican and Liberals vote Democrat.
Read the thread you idiot.
Blacks identify more as conservative than liberal because they don't like faggots yet they vote 95 % for democrats and for non-conservative platforms
Self-identification without party affiliation is useless
ttp://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/02/04/196046/are-african-americans-conservative-or-is-ideological-self-identification-meaningless/
>>55435099
>Every single sentence I utter oozes ideology: The Post.
>>55435549
>51%
whoops I should stop drinking
I mean 55+6 = 61
39% unrepresented
45% possible right wing leaning
>>55435571
Stefan, pls
>>55435403
we found the ignorant cultural marxist.
>>55435505
> Bananas
> Panama
We get our money off the Canal m8 you know, that big water thing that the ships go through
Now that, I can't expect much from a left-voter that may not be able to identify my country in the map according to Pew Research
>>55435134
Then again, people with high IQs are more likely than others to thrive in a libertarian society because they are unlikely to ever need to rely on the support of their community or government.
At least some of that may boil down to self-interest, rather than the superiority of a given idea.
Hell, MOST of politics is probably really about self-interest and not ideas. Or to put a finer point on it, pretty much everyone is more likely to support ideas that further their own interests.
>>55435655
>cultural marxist
What is that?
>>55434876
I did my undergrad in Econ and half of my professors were very libertarian economists. Doing masters in engineering, every engineer I know is kind of conservative. So, I disagree based on my experience.
>>55435712
>What is that?
lurk the fuck moar
>>55435655
He's never actually been to uni, just giving us his middle-school-tier idealistic views.
> higher education maymay
>le stem field maymay
Some of the most successful people I know in STEM fields never went to college until well after they had been working their career field for years. It takes a certain type of personality to say "I'm gonna succeed and the beaten-path can get fucked" instead of "waaah, I'm alive and so are you so you have a moral obligation to care for me and my lazy family of moochers"
>>55435403
> Boo hoo hoo! I have to pay £9k per year for my shitty humanities degree that I chose despite the terrible career prospects associated with it!
It's not that these things are "part of the curriculum", it's that (in this country at least) most of the faculty at these institutions is left-leaning and heavily unionised. These people have a great deal of influence over their students and thus, the cycle of left wing faggotry continues.
I was ridiculed by these idiots for daring to opt out of joining the NUS. How many faggy student protests are there in London each year?
>>55435696
Wait a second, what's bad about it? We, humanity, DO need a 'neo-natural selection' of sorts, and our intelligence is the only sensible way to distinguish 'bad' ones from 'good' ones. The libertarian free market model is the opposite of far-right or far-left force methods. These models FORCE something on people - just like in wild nature. But we aren't wild nature. We aren't about shitting, eating and fucking - we are about thinking, observing and reflecting. So those who can't do that and can't survive without help from others in this libertarian society need to just... die. Really. Why do we need to care about stupid fucks who can only ooga-booga in the microphone when there are probably lots of great minds who got denied good education because of some nigger getting in instead of him to meet the quota?
>>55435712
It is just a name for the bizarre anti-worker class policies that the left-wing parties adopted after the protests of 1968, while the bizarre change of policy of the Socialist Party of France from "mass immigration depressed wages for the workers" to "only through mass immigration we can get to an multicultural utopia"
>>55435808
my negro
his way of thinking is taught in german public ed, dont be too hard on him.
>>55435802
Meaning you have no fucking idea yourself.
And directing me to /pol/-threads for clarification makes you an even bigger retard.
>>55434956
How the fuck someone cant find brazil on the map? I know we are kinda irelevant, but its like one of the easier countries to locate because of the sheer size
>>55435870
no, you've never heard of a term that's discussed here to death means you aren't from here and you didn't lurk
you need to fuck off
>>55435828
I need to elaborate on this post a bit. I only mentioned a far-left example, let me also remind you that smart people will never allow any 'strong leader's charisma' or 'national interests' stand in the way of their OWN ambitions. So that's why smart people are almost always libertarians and despise both left and right ideas of 'force instead of Nash-type collaboration'
>>55435815
In cased you looked at the little flag in my post, you island mongoloid, I am from the continent and not an americunt. I didn't pay tuitions.
>>55435828
But what I'm saying is that intelligent people don't necessarily support libertarianism solely or even mainly because it's the best system (whether it is nor not I am not getting into). They have self-interested reasons for supporting it.
Just as, say, an uneducated, permanently unemployed man on welfare has self-interested reasons to support socialism, or a stockholder who owns 57% of a meatpacking business has self-interested reasons to support lax enforcement on deporting illegals.
Yes, it's POSSIBLE that the hypothetical examples above actually support the policies they do solely because they somehow think they're objectively better, but what's more likely?
It's surely not a coincidence that most people are inclined towards supporting policies that are in the interests of people like them.
>>55435870
>hurr spoon feed me faggots
>>55435929
>actually being proud of free education in your country
Wow, so germans being keks is not just a maymay
>>55435929
it's time to stop posting, your rage is shining through. you got told by anons who dont consider you a peer of theirs.
get a job :^)
>>55434715
Religous-ness is a confounding factor.
>>55434715
>Implying intelligent people still need those stupid badges to understand reality
>Implying IQ is relevant
>Implying conservatism is one monolithic concept known and understood by everybody in the exact same way
>>55435857
>his way of thinking is taught in german public ed
Luckily you dropped out of Hauptschule after 8th grade to elude yourself from that and now rely on Hartz IV and shoplifting.
>>55435134
99% of all Mensa and Tripple Nine Society members are only good at IQ tests though, it's their primary skill in life.
>>55435147
>They seem to be more about following whatever TV says and repeating moral platitudes randomly
That sounds like degeneracy. And the fate for low IQ people if cheap entertainment industry gets what it want.
Same reason religion does.
>>55435870
It's just a strainingly forced term used to refer to leftists in the media and academia, you know the sort of people who make TV shows like "Will & Grace" or invent concepts like "white privilege" and who give Jenner a prize for supposedly being a glamorous woman.
Personally I don't care for the term but anyway that's how it's used.
>>55434820
>Apparently you have never been to a place of higher education.
I have 200 units of higher education and am perfectly confident regarding a huge portion of higher education to be leftist indoctrination. In addition, I've been at the top 5% of almost every math and science course I've taken. My SAT scores weren't great, but were in the 95 percentile - so well above the mean. I'm proudly an advocate of National Socialism.
>>55435968
>it's time to stop posting, your rage is shining through. you got told by anons who dont consider you a peer of theirs.
It's 12:30 on a weekday. What are you doing here?
>>55435988
>99% of all Mensa and Tripple Nine Society members are only good at IQ tests though, it's their primary skill in life.
This. Mensa is a club for posh USB keys with nothing in them.
>>55435961
>>actually being proud of free education in your country
>Wow, so germans being keks is not just a maymay
It isn't free, it's publicly funded.
>>55434715
Why Germany is so keked? Is that because you have high IQ and you are all liberals. Just go rig few VW:s and stop shitposting
You'll notice that the dumbest conservatives, the real fucking neo-con types, will call themselves liberals, and laud their own progressive ideals.
>IQ tests are biased towards certain cultural groups and social classes and therefore can't tell us about meaningful differences between different demographics. This is why the IQ difference between ethnic groups is not proof of genetic differences between groups.
>Conservatives are stupid
Pick one.
>>55435949
You are correct. But we need to also keep in mind that those 'self-interested reasons' should not be portraited as evil mr. burns type of guy who wants to trick everyone.
A SMART person actually knows all the things John Nash knew. A SMART person knows, that only through free market type of natural communication can we obtain great things for everyone.
Those 'self-interested reasons' are not really about personal prosperity only; Most of the things that are beneficial for a person in libertarian society are always also beneficial to every (contributing) member of society.
So, we have far-right: 'everyone must set their own personality aside and work for a common goal - you need to be a collectivist'
So, we have far-left: 'everyone must care for others, and the fruits of labor should be spread evenly (while the labor itself isn't), in other words, you need to be a collectivist'
And we have libertarians: 'everyone must care for themselves and do what they want, in other words, you need to be an individualist'
As you can see, we can't group all 3 by saying 'most people are inclined towards supporting policies that are in the interests of people like them'. Only the right and left actually care about their comfort only - libertarian ideas urge everyone to start listening to themselves.
>>55436018
That poster pretty much proves my point. You're an low I.Q. conservative savage.
Stay miserable and blame your own failure on minorities.
>>55434715
If you read your own source you would see it provides a hypothesis for this. What it doesn't provide however is the data used in your image.
http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html
Because I'm a busy man i would appreciate it if you linked directly to the study with the data for your image.
Thank you.
>>55436074
Nice. It took you only 50 minutes to do this.
Ever wondered why Germans consider Poles primitive?
>>55436166
>Stay miserable and blame your own failure on minorities.
I have never understood this meme
We know that through history humans are pretty much bastards
Yet you believe that somehow, if a human is a minority he immediatly becomes an angel that contradicts all human history and is unable to cause any sort of conflict with the rest of the population
How does that work exactly? Only a person completely ignorant of history would think that just because someone if an outsider to your community that turns him into an angel that can do no harm
That is extremely illogical and puts into question your whole theory about liberals being smart at all
>>55436201
>Nice. It took you only 50 minutes to do this.
I lol'ed so hard
>Ever wondered why Germans consider Poles primitive?
->Weil Dolferl es selbst gesagt hat? Die Deutschen hören ja kleinen Österreichern gerne zu.
Here we have another good example.
Show how conservatives leader pray on the week minded.
>>55436166
I don't much like these wasters either but i'd rather stand with them than a bunch of 'intelligent' liberals when the inevitable conflicts start occurring in Europe.
>>55436294
>Show how conservatives leader pray on the week minded.
And most importantly, don't forget to talk about the month minded.
>>55436294
>NY
>avg IQ 109
in what universe
>>55434715
The dumber you are the more you want to be/enjoy being told what to do.
Can't think for themselves so require government to do it for them
>>55435440
Wut. Google fails me.
>>55436322
>I don't much like these wasters either but i'd rather stand with them than a bunch of 'intelligent' liberals when the inevitable conflicts start occurring in Europe.
Then you are right where you belong: With the trash.
Social comservatism yes, like that graph states, attracts those who cant think beyond superstition. Youd have to be a retard to not be fiscally conservative.
>>55436294
It seems that it's just America where republicans/conservatives have a lower IQ.
I'd like to see those numbers if you exclude baptist Christians.
>>55435501
The source itself seems to state that the IQ standard was set by the researchers. Which is to say that these people did not hold an IQ average of 106 compared to the rest of the world. The researchers had them all sit the test then set the average at 100. That figure of 94.82 could very well be 144.82 when compared to the population at large. It's actually unimportant because the idea is to show the difference between the groups.
Either way, I'm still waiting for a source on the actual study from OP.
>>55434715
if that were true, OP, all niggers and hispanics would be republicans but they vote overwhelmingly democrat
>>55434715
all people are stupid there has only ever been a handful of smart people through out history.
>>55436409
Besides the fact that Republicans are hardly conservative most of the time.
>>55436294
That image is garbage. There are scarcity of IQ data points in USA because of things like this:
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-08-05/news/mn-139_1_iq-test
So that IQ data is made up
>>55434764
>one response
Because it takes a truly intelligent person to be open and tolerant. Only backwards tards are stuck in the old conservative ways. It's fucking 2015.
>>55434715
What do you guys mean by conservative and liberal.
Because what I am seeing is traditionalist vs free marketeers.
>>55436294
We DO have data from SAT scores though
http://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-by-state-most-recent
And the highesrt score is extremely white, deeply republican North Dakota, as one would expect from descendants of German colonizers, in a state with very few minorities
The lowest SAT is extremely black and democrat Washington DC special district
>>55434715
Last time we had this thread, the study cited by the OP made no mention of conservative vs liberal, but authoritarian vs liberal, in its classical libertarian sense.
>>55436553
conservative means they want things to stay the same or go back to the way they were, so going back to the dark ages and that sort of shit.
Alright. It's always interesting to see people hate each other over politics that barely even matter anymore.
>>55434715
Everything has a bright side. Stupidity included.
If you're not smart enough to get caught up in the verbal/logic tricks used to promote immigration/whatever then you're not going to be buying their bullshit are you.
That's the problem with educated people who are only barely above average in intelligence. They think they understand things so much better, but they are just falling into a mental pit that only sufficiently intelligence people can fall into.
>>55436608
They do matter a lot
There is a difference between "let's open all borders" Merkel and "No more immigration" Le Pen, and that has a lot of impact in the lives of the population
I don't know.
>>55436598
>or go back to the way they were
That's reactionary though
>so going back to the dark ages and that sort of shit.
Ah, Australian flag
>>55436569
also daily reminder that SAT scores are directly correlated to IQ scores, so we can indeed use them as a proxy
>>55436569
>http://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-by-state-most-recent
"Only the most prepared students take the test" "Only 2% take the test" Wow, you must be very good at reading.
Commie indoctrination is real.
4 years ago when I was a STEM undergrad, every one of my colleagues was a hardcore conservative, but now I'm finishing my masters and I've noticed a clear shift toward libshit ideologies.
>>55436688
it is true though, when was the high of Christianity and the lowest technological point for civilized human beings, the dark ages, i dont want to live in a world where there is constant wars, everyone lives in shit and dirt.
>>55436767
What does Christianity have to do with Conservatism?
>>55435099
TEP CHEK
>>55434715
correlation doesn't mean causation.
take the statistic in 1940, most smart people would be conservative back then...
>>55436767
>and the lowest technological point for civilized human beings
k
Besides the Dark Ages weren't caused by Christianity.
And conservatism =/= reactionary
>>55436811
the two go hand in hand, religion has always been the center point of right wing conservatives, traditionalist or going back to the old days, even if they were actually shit days.
>>55436877
yes they were, science was practically abolished and punishable by death and previous technology and knowledge was lost.
>>55434715
http://www.triplenine.org/poll/press.htm
Feels good man.
i like how that german kek fucked off after being a whiny twat.
>>55436731
That only shows how hard it is get consistent data across states
See the whole graphic from the Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/local/sat-scores-2015/1812/
Even if we only count those states with over 50 % of SAT participation, you will notice right away that republican states and democratic states are quite mixed up (democrat California next to republican Alaska, democrat Maine right next to republican Texas)
And of course, 65 % black Washington DC at the very end
>>55436936
No they weren't.
Christian scholars were the ones making sure not all past knowledge got lost.
Meanwhile Barbary tribes like the Huns just burned all they could get their hands on.
>>55434764
I'm sure you game this by not adjusting for race.
Democrats as a group include most of the blacks, drag the IQ score down a few points. But black people tend to be pretty conservative on lots of things, so if you measure by liberalness and conservativeness by a questionnaire, hey presto, blacks are now on the conservative side. Controlling for the variable of minorities would mean having to admit race has something to do with IQ.
>>55436764
> ideologies
You know, when you start to think, like when you educate yourself, ideologies come like a letter. Ideologies are mostly Liberal, Progressive or Marxist. If you stop at High School you probably aren't smart enough for College. See? Low IQ -> probably Conservative.
>>55434820
I spent a total of 7 years knocking around academic faculties being a privileged little white leftist faggot. Academia is overwhelmingly leftist. to believe the opposite requires a denial of reality so fundamental that only a leftist can accomplish it.
It took me another 7-8 years to begin questioning my indoctrination and realizing that everything I thought was wrong and opposed by reality.
My IQ is 136, I was one of 7 people in my graduation year to get my degree with distinction.
I can honestly say it doesn't matter whether the correlation between IQ and political beliefs goes one way or the other.
It matters whether your political beliefs correlate with observable reality, or if you instead view reality through a haze of pseudo-intellectual sophistry.
>>55437088
I guess no Japanese people ever go to University... oh wait..
>>55434715
People that subscribe to rigid ideology are morons. It demonstrates a lack of critical thinking skills - the same types of people that fall into fallacious reasoning because their ideology is always a trump card.
>>55437129
>My iq is..
What standard deviation did they use?
>>55437135
>Japanese
>>55437064
shill.
>>55434820
I have. It isn't until I started to work that I started seeing the world for what it is.
I remember one episode where in a 20 persons class I was litterally the only one who refused to say that women where equal in body strenght to men. I know it sounds umbelievable and that most people here think these stories are shitty memes but it is 100% true.
Another emblematic example is when, while discussing with a professor of why an ethnic group tended to have longer lives I suggested it was probably due to genetic more than enviroment,
He said, without even looking up:
"that is what we are trying not to say.".
Universities in europe and in the US are overwhelmingly left leaning, that is a fact. And students are less and lessn encouraged to challenge what they are taught - they are becoming more and more echo chambers out of touch with the real world.
>>55435099
>Believes that immigration of Muslims into secular Western countries is a good thing and should be encouraged
>Also believes religious fundamentalism, violence, homophobia and oppression of women are the ultimate evil
Sure requires a lot of thinking to believe both of those at the same time.
>mfw your progress means your children grow up in a medieval theocracy
>>55437320
Have you seen the video of the gay right wing group in swedenstan parading through a muslim area?
>>55437168
15 points
I mention it because I was a good example of a smart kid buying leftist bs hook line and sinker. The reason I bought it had nothing to do with being smart, it had to do with no alternative being presented to me and the fact that my folks were rich enough that I didn't really encounter reality until I joined the workforce.
>>55436896
>the two go hand in hand
Don't know how it is in Aus but here the state Church is Liberal to the point of being tumblr IRL.
>right wing conservatives
I like that you made this distinction, but we're talking about conservatives in general be they left or right.
>going back to the old days
This is mostly a strawman, very few conservatives actually want to "go back to the old days", particularly in the sense Liberals tend to see it, by actually going back on technological advancements.
In general though religion (Not specifically Christianity) can play a part in Conservatism, that's because, as the name suggests, Conservatives want to Conserve things. These things are usually values, morals and traditions. Essentially, your connection with the past and your heritage.
Here's an example, today is Armistice day. If you're a Conservative or generally a good person you would have taken some time in silence at 11:11 to remember those who lost their lives in the wars we have fought. You will have taken time to remember and to value the past. The fact that we do this at 11:11 on 11/11 is a matter of tradition. It is entirely a Conservative thing to do. Many of us will also have crowded around our local war monuments and listened or given speeches. By remembering the past and feeling a connection to it we also feel a connection to each other which helps to create a sense of social cohesion. As a Conservative person i feel there is value in this. Anyone who is a hardline Liberal (Which is to say, has no respect for history and in many cases wishes to discard it) will not find the value in it.
Both ideologies are of course valid but personally i would rather live in a world where i remember my parents, who remember their parents who remember theirs who remember theirs. This is what binds people together, the shared experience of our forefathers.
TL;DR: Liberals have daddy issues
>>55437392
Link?
>>55437460
>Both ideologies are of course valid
You're still plugged in
>>55437129
Conservatism stands for tradition and 'don't fix it if it's not broken'. You have to agree that common sense say that an politic belief in Conservatism fits low IQ people better than complicated ideologies cultivated in higher education, that low IQ people don't participate in.
>>55434715
>define "liberal" as anyone ok with fags
>white conservatives get weighed down by a ton of niggers
>white liberals' score undiluted
Genius.
>>55437499
Throwing away /pol/ maymays actual Liberalism is a valid ideology in its own right. America was founded along these ways, disregarding the tradition of the past and believing in the individual over the groups "taboos". Again, it's not a world i wish to live in but it's certainly not invalid in of itself.
>>55437460
so doing the same things over and over again is crazy, conservatives are 10 times worse then liberals, at least one wouldn't try and kill my whole family if they get absolute power, conservatism has been responsible for nearly all the worlds problems and then the attempt to justify those actions is referred to as being moral.
>>55434715
ill bite
my tested IQ is 115-117 depending on verbal or performance.
>>55437794
Standard deviation?
>>55437460
That doesn't always hold water. I've got reams of daddy issues, and I'm a full-on Traditionalist.
>>55434715
Even an idiot knows they are right compared to the dems.
>>55434715
I was a libkid during my formative years though. The assumption here si that teenage libkids stay liberal.
>>55437715
>so doing the same things over and over again is crazy
Paraphrasing Einstein doesn't make you intelligent anon, you missed a key part.
>at least one wouldn't try and kill my whole family if they get absolute power
This happens regardless of the LibCon divide.
>conservatism has been responsible for nearly all the worlds problems
This is a ridiculous statement and you know it. To use the classic example every Communist revolution ever has come with the promise and often the result of radical social change, fundamentally Liberal. I don't think i need to explain how Stalin and Mao were a problem.
>>55437861
It was a sort of a joke to cap off a serious post.
>>55434715
why are there steel beams on all that jet fuel.
>>55434715
Many suffers of autism have hi Iq, would you like a government of R9k user's, no I,q, means fuck all in practical terms.
>>55435317
Nigger detected.
>>55437933
People on the Autism spectrum disorder have a lower IQ on average when compared to the average population
my IQ is 139 & im a libertarian
where do i fit in
>>55435870
Then why are you here?
>>55438076
National men for young boys organization
>>55438090
b-but i like girls
>>55435420
Isn't this the same country that supported mass immigration from the middle east?
>>55434715
Stupid people typically disengage from school and don't go to university, so aren't exposed to as much braniwashing.
>>55438122
Booty is booty
>>55437129
this
>>55434715
Because IQ tests were made by Jews who are left-wing communists who want to exterminate the ethnic white people of the world. :^)
>>55437503
Because something is simple doesn't mean it's wrong.
In fact one of the stand out features of academia is that it uses complexity and sophistry to mask and conceal the poverty and inaccuracy of the ideologies it peddles. I was aware of that even when I was a leftist, when my academic papers would take 400 words to say something that could have been said in 10.
Midwits (IQ 110-120) people seem to be very susceptible to being awed by arguments that are verbose and appear complex, but lack the intelligence to recognise this in themselves or really question their own ideas.
Low IQ people are more likely to deal with reality in terms of heuristic thinking, because their lives demand tried and trusted approaches (ie ones that have been demonstrated to work) over experimentation.
If you take a step back this means they are more likely to be correct in their perceptions, even if they could never explain why.
People flock to ideologies that benefit them the most
This thread is retarded.
Poorer education, less keked.
needs another bar showing the IQ of people who think this is a good argument.
Well conservatives happen to also be the worst memers, see Donald Trump his supporters are dumb as nails
>>55434715
Being conservative doesn't require a lot of thinking and planning, just like the bible. Nothing new and no surprises.
>>55437794
Kicked our recruitment test's ass, 98th+ percentile.
Socialism is fucking stupid.
>>55434715
The very study that this graph comes from notes that the most intelligent among the samples were less likely to agree that the government is responsible for reducing income and wealth differences.
Whether all of these kids agree with other major liberal values is still unmentioned.
>>55435929
> Blah blah blah...
> Verpiss dich du Inselaffe!
Have the immigrants taken your parents' basement away from you or something you dipshit?
Research shows that in Eastern Europe, it is the most educated and also the younger who are more likely to be against unregulated immigration or support nuclear power. But they are also more likely to be atheist and pro-homo. So I guess it depends on the issue, too. Not just left-right divide.
ITT: mental gymnastics olympics
>>55434715
The real reason is that conservatism is reactionary, and liberalism is visionary.
Visionaries are always smarter than reactionaries, and it has little to do with the viability of an ideology.
>>55434715
Ivory tower academic idealism vs life experiences
>>55435403
>Right, because when you study Physics or Engineering Marxism will certainly be part of the curriculum. Dumb fuck.
Part of the curriculum? No, probably not. Do they fucking go on about it constantly despite this? Need I ask the question?
Especially once you get past the undergraduate cash cow stage and into the real university: that is, research. Cannot even reveal the tiniest amount of my power level there or I'll get fucking kicked out.
>>55435870
>ask a question
>get answer
>react with Genetic Fallacy
>calls someone a retard because you lack reasoning skills
>>55438671
Genetic fallacy is not a formal fallacy therefore it's not by definition fallacious
>>55438705
Genetic Fallacy is essentially another form of ad hominem. Dismissing information based on its source is indeed an act of fallacious reasoning.
>>55438892
It's not by definition fallacious since it's not a formal fallacy.
>>55439019
Reread that earlier post friend. I think you've missed something.
>>55439192
Ad hominem is an informal fallacy as well. He's being pedantic with a distinction nobody gives a fuck about.
>>55434715
>>55437087
Race was controlled for in the test.
http://spawktalk.blogspot.no/2014/11/republicans-are-smarter-than-democrats.html
> It showed that republicans are smarter than democrats and that this is true even after taking race out of the picture
The study also references what the German posted.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614001081
>These results are consistent with Carl's (2014) hypothesis that higher intelligence among classically liberal Republicans compensates for lower intelligence among socially conservative Republicans.
>>55434715
It's simple and it works.
You have to be able to delude yourself to believe liberal ideals. If you keep going up the IQ ladder you reach conservatives again.
>>55439192
> Dismissing information based on its source is indeed an act of fallacious reasoning.
Ad hominem is not fallacious reasoning by definition, it's an informal fallacy.
For example if somebody is a proven pathological liar and he says something that may be controversial it's perfectly reasonable to dismiss his argument on the fact that he's proven in the past that his character flaw (pathological lying) makes him not trustworthy.
>>55439266
>nobody
I give a fuck about it, so that's one.
>>55439437
>If someone is a pathological liar...
And what you've just evoked is an offshoot of Gambler's Fallacy. I'll abort this conversation though as this seems like this will, not only continue, but also continue to be pointless.
>>55439810
>gambler's fallacy
And again not a formal fallacy.
Informal fallacies are not necessarily incorrect but most often need some empirical evidence to be convincing.
Becuase of propaganda statistics made by bias people with flawed research
>>55435074
>One can't ignore that the IQ with the highest world IQ (Japan) is also a very conservative right-wing country
ROFL Japan a kikeservative country. ROFLMAO
HAHAHAHAH
>>55440007
Shitposting is against the rules, retard
>Conservative means Abrahamic
Think before you post, fucktard
>>55434715
Dude you source has the word rasict in the link. You don't see how the facts could be mislead? You sir have a iq of 13
>>55439810
He's wrong on what ad hominem is anyway. If you go "Your statement is false because you usually lie," you haven't actually shown it to be false--you'll only have engaged in non-sequitur.
>some of what this person says is not true
>this person said something
>therefore what they said was not true
>>55440007
If you're going to cherry pick, no country on this planet is Conservative.
>>55434715
Silicon Valley agrees.
Until they come out of the dogma, they'll always be hilarious.
>>55434715
Because high IQ tends to be associated with higher education which is overwhelmingly leftist from the student base to the professors to the courses, most people aren't that politically self-aware. Probably more than 80% of American universities are, only exceptions are some Christian based universities and a handful of private colleges.
I have a 140 IQ which was a legit 4 hour test I took years ago that had multiple different categories. I started out liberal because school and media decided my views, I've since become mostly conservative.
>>55435099
You know what? Population replacement in Sweden is not a bad idea. Muslims are fairly more reasonable.
>>55440303
And still media decides your views. You're on 4chan and you probably watch Fox etc. My point is, every modern day "conservative" is a product of either Talk radio or books/blogs written by talk radio hosts.
>>55439342
>spawktalk
Ayyyy my nigga Sean Last.
>>55434715
It's true, my IQ is below average, but I have a master in computer scientist, so checkmate atheists.
>>55434715
>The liberals at Yale and Missouri are considered "high IQ"
i call bull shit on this
if this is true then why dont black students do well on standardized test and why do colleges in america have to add a few hundred points to their S.A.T scores for the sake of "fairness". 90% of blacks in america are far left at least when it comes to race situations and obama got like 90% of the black vote the first time
also females do horrible on science standardized test and half of them are liberal at least when it comes to gender related situations
>>55434715
it's basically what a young male chimpanzee would say if you grafted on a human verbal processing unit.
>Our tribe strong
>Young warrior in our tribe good
>Small weak males bad
>Is good to hurt small and weak males to make tribe strong
>female is for sex and baby, stay safe at base camp
>words of elder fathers are all true, especially my big strong daddy, young generation not smart like elders, Tribe not be strong if question tribe values
>>55440465
Experiences decide my views more than media. I tend to look at which media has an agenda and why - who owns it - who donates to it etc. So I know you'll never get a clear picture than the ones in control, we only get a fraction of it.
I look at a diverse set of sources also. And for years before Obama was even in office, I was more into the conspiracy type of views.
Anyway my experiences have shown me the type of destructive policies leftists have enabled, particularly fiscally.
>>55440192
All informal fallacies are a form of non-sequitur
>Your statement is false because you usually lie
That's not even what I literally said.
I said it's reasonable to dismiss the argument in my example, that's not saying it's false because x. I simply said that it's reasonable to dismiss his argument in the example I gave.
>>55442384
>the
his*
>>55442384
You are from one of the Eurokekmyshitup nations. As such, it is reasonable to dismiss your argument.
>>55435317
Be thankful that you have a garbage man.
He deserves to be respected for his contribution to society as well. He may be simple, but he does what he can despite a soul crushing task.
>>55434715
This has to be a mistake, think about all the dumb nig nogs that vote demo.
>>55443256
And you're a Baptist Christian therefore you're probably not even self-aware.
>>55434715
>106 = genius
that's barely above average you sack of homosexual shit, besides there is this fucking thing called RANGE OF FUCKING ERROR so if your average is 100 with a range of error of 6%, then the TRUE FUCKING AVERAGE is 94-106 you absolute and complete faggot, that means, that between those 2 numbers, the population falls those numbers, meaning nothing at all. your sample is average, therefore you cant say fucking anything about the 94 or the 106 because they both might as well be 100
fucking statistics major with over 5 years of experience here, you faggot. this is some kike numbers manipulation
>>55443970
You took some fat fucking bait man.
Genius IQ is defined in the region of 135-140+ by most tests.
106 is just the upper half of the bell curve, which I'm certain you are familiar with claiming to be a statistics major.
Anyone above an IQ of 120 is in the top 5th percentile of the bell curve.
>>55434715
because they tend to be poorer and immigrants take the jobs of low income earners and they can't afford to live in gated communities
IM A LIBERAL POT SMOKING NIGGER HATER
https://soundcloud.com/assclowns-united/jungle-life
>>55444148
>Anyone above an IQ of 120 is in the top 5th percentile of the bell curve.
Depends on the SD used, not all IQ tests use the same SD
>>55434715
You've been tricked Hans.
>>55444283
Most tests do however norm to 120 IQ as the top 5th percentile so it's a fair assumption.
In any way IQ 106 is not a genius level in any respectable test that has been taken by a sizeable amount of people.
>>55435536
>That pic
Didn't faggots and trannies have an app that predates tinder that is basically the exact same?
>>55434715
How would this work for me? When I was younger I was super liberal and now I'm more conservative. How could my IQ decrease as I've gotten smarter and learned so much more?
>>55434715
> Thinking there is that much of a meaningful difference between 95 and 105 IQ
The reality is that conservatism and liberalism both appeal to low IQ people. Get out of the dichotomy.
>>55436294
huh, that's interesting
>>55434954
mean of number of children by think of self as liberal or conservative by number words correct in vocabulary test
>wat
>>55442384
Non-sequiturs are formal fallacies. Something isn't made wrong just because of the source it comes from. Whether it's worth "dismissing" because of its source is just personal opinion.
>>55434715
Even if this was true, it's just an elaborate ad hominem.
>>55434715
Why does being a nigger appeal to low IQ people so much?
>>55435403
Don't get mad at us because you can't legally own a german flag
>>55436696
SAT is about what you learned through school and how well you practice for them. You can artificially inflate IQ scores by retaking the same test or practicing for it.
>>55445196
I had the definition of a non-sequitur confused with something else, which is a very big mistake on my part
>Something isn't made wrong just because of the source it comes from]
And I never said that.
I said it's reasonable to dismiss an argument made by somebody if his character trait makes him not trustworthy.
Reasonable to dismiss =/= saying he's wrong
>>55441463
desu senpai chimp logic is what made us survive billions of years of evolution and made us the top of the food chain today
maybe it ain't all that bad
