Hello /pol/. I've been a lurker here for a long time, and I have noticed a few trends on this board. I classify myself as a Left libertarian/Marxist and coming to this board has been quite an eye opening experience for me. For one, it has made me more aware of the weak points of my own discourse. However, since I have never been one of those libkek types, I find my position on some issues strangely aligning with those on this board, which brings me to the point of this post. Let's point out the contradictions that underlie /pol/s edgy stormfaggotry. I'll start with a few:
> Mass immigration is blamed on some obscure communist Jewish conspiracy, whereas it is a structural component of capitalism which calls for the free movement of labor and capital as well as a fallout of colonial exploitation. Want Europe to be white? Well your ancestors should have stayed there instead of destroying the political, economic and social structures of other countries.
> There's so much bullshitting about the value of Stem degrees vis a vis social science degrees and guess what? It shows! The amount of sheer ignorance on this board is staggering. From glorifying Hitler to blaming 'cultural Marxism' for the degeneration of Western societies, etc. No half serious academic can take any of these views seriously. Society and politics are complex phenomena, and screaming muh Joos or muh feminists at every turn does not make it easier to understand. Now you know why Trump is popular here.
> Feel free to add to the list.
>>55430438
>India
you actually make some good points friend but i must take this opportunity to direct you to the nearest LOO to have a POO
>>55430438
>>55430495
Thank you Australia. I could see this coming. Can we please try to keep the shitposting to a minimum? I find it funny myself desu. It sucks being in a country where 45% of the population shits outside but progress is being made slowly.
The biggest contradiction of /pol/ is the Israel issue. Israel is basically the state closest to /pol/'s vision of the world, has had more combat instances with communist states than almost any other developed nation, and in 2015 is supported almost entirely conservatives outside of the US, and yet we're supposed to believe it's a leftist communist conspiracy.
>>55430438
I don't usually do this "India," but it is obvious that you are a socialist liberal retarded kike on vacation in India pretending to be someone who has yet to discover toilet paper, nice try, better luck next time and try and avoid the food there, and water, and air...
>>55430659
poo in loo
>>55430438
>I classify myself
Nobody cares about your blog, curryfaggot.
> DESIGNATED
stop using "left libertarian", retarded leftists already hijacked the term liberal, you dont get to use libertarian aswell
im a proper libertarian, and if it hadnt been for retarded leftists like you those sandniggers wouldnt march through europe just to get handouts
lurk moar retarded faggot
>>55430438
>/pol/ is one person
>muh colonialism
fuck off
We might have left a stain on the world, but it was just the strong overpowering the weak. In less enlightened times, you'd have been actively ethnically cleansed and suffered far more. Like Islam still wants to have a go at doing today.
And rather than destroying blah blah poor country social structures wahwah colonialism, it's post world war philosophical weakness plus economics insisting on infinite growth that wants immigration. The fact we could hold your head underwater and rape you while robbing you blind for a few decades has very little to do with it. The level of immigration in the UK only went up as hugely as it did in 1997, and it's perfectly possible to stop the flow.
>>55430438
>POO IN LOO
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Youre not fooling anyone Pahjeet.
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>>55430659
>progress
KEK, slowly is right.
/Pol/ is not one person.
>>55430438
By the way, I fucking hate you people.
I think that most of my hatred, that towards Jews, negros, muslims, and - fuck - even chinks, I hate with an ample explanation of my hatred. But for you fucks? Damn, I don't even know really.
Everytime I see one of you in my country, dark brown, light brown, whatever, I just fucking die a little inside. The fact that some of you are taking political office? Fucking horrible.
I just want all your terrible country to slide into the Indian Ocean and all your fucks here to follow you.
Seriously. GTFO my country.
>>55430959
>set up an overseas empire
>extract wealth from the provinces and build a utopia at home
>people follow the wealth from the provinces to the imperial core
>core becomes an absolutely degenerate cosmopolis, decadent assfucking ensues
Welcome to Rome 2.0.
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>>55430438
>Mass immigration is blamed on some obscure communist Jewish conspiracy, whereas it is a structural component of capitalism
Chasing profits by big capitalists is one reason behind mass immigration. But far left globalist ideology present among the elites is another, and even more important one. Ask yourself, why recent migrant influx into Sweden and Germany was allowed to proceed unimpeded? It was due to desire to appear humanitarian, not due to seeking profits. It was due to far leftists, not capitalists. Blaming capitalism for everything makes you look like a conspiracy theorist, too.
>There's so much bullshitting about the value of Stem degrees vis a vis social science degrees and guess what? It shows! The amount of sheer ignorance on this board is staggering.
Thats rich coming from a self-described Marxist. Social sciences are usually pseudoscience, unless they stick to purely descriptive, neutral methods. And that is a fact. You are literally stupider after going though that brainwashing than if you didnt study them at all.
>>55430438
Youre shits all retarded and you talk like a fag.
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>>55430438
>Well your ancestors should have stayed there instead of destroying the political, economic and social structures of other countries.
Last time I checked the places that were colonized were shitholes before Europeans showed up and after Europeans left. They were only prosperous and safe when under European control
You're just mad because Britain left your shitty country behind
>>55430660
True. It's the Zionists who are to blame, not the Jews. Unfortunately they have too much influence over the American political system. If there ever was a conspiracy, there's one right there.
>>55430699
Wrong. I am an Indian living in Calcutta, the erstwhile colonial capital under the Raj. Currently I'm studying Political Science for my bachelors degree. And I hate liberals and right wingers in equal measure.
>>55430438
>pretends he's understood something important that he wants to share with us
>Then proceeds to bomb us with unfounded blanket statements
>Ad hominem
Poo in Loo.
>Well your ancestors should have stayed there instead of destroying the political, economic and social structures of other countries.
No, actually, whe should still occupy those countries. We should never have left them at all.
>>55431605
>still calling it calcutta
colonial slavedog
>>55430809
You dumb cunt. What are you, 15? Libertarian was originally used to designate anarchists and socialists who favored minimal government. There's a reason nobody takes /pol/ seriously, and you're part of it. Thank you for your service.
>be me
>poo in loo
>be Indian
>poo everywhere
>>55431106
Idk do you hate us because we're the richest, most hard working, most educated demographic in America? I sorta despise non resident Indians myself for their flippant attitude towards their home country but I must admit they've done quite well for themselves.
I wish anyone from some other country poste this.
You're just gonna get poointheloo'ed.
>>55430438
>left libertarian
kek
>>whereas it is a structural component of capitalism which calls for the free movement of labor and capital
This is a lie. There is no connection between owning property and immigration, or what you choose to do with your own borders. The opposite of what you say is the case. The attractions of the socialist welfare state, as well as the deliberate policies of socialist, left-wing politicians, are what have brought mass immigration into Europe. Communism and socialism are innately internationalist, because they say that all human beings are interchangeable and can be corrected by the state -- you just have to throw enough money at them.
>>as well as a fallout of colonial exploitation
You weren't "exploited." You were built up into what you are today, and you should feel eternally grateful for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGERS905pPk
>>fallout of colonial exploitation
Another lie. Sweden had no colonies, but Sweden is in a worse situation than any other country. The immigrants are coming in because they've been permitted to come in by left-wing politicians.
>>55430438
>muh colonialism
What is Barbary Slave trade, Arab conquests, North African invasions, Ottoman empire, Mongol invasions, hunnic invasions?
Oh I'm sorry, has only Whitey got original sin? Association fallacy, Euro only?
Tosser.
>muh capitalism meme
You are conflating it with corporatism.
Kill yourself.
>>55432619
see >>55432143
You people are true to god retards
>>55430809
>im a proper libertarian
>Not knowing the ocean of difference between modern and traditional libertarian.
You don't know what you're talking about.
>>55430959
>Murder and genocide is OK when its my race doing it to another race but individual acts of crime motivated by money where a black man kills a white man is a tragedy and a RACE HATE CRIME OF THE HIGEST MANITUDE THEYRE TRYING TO KILL US OFF!
I swear all UK men are born with vaginas. The only they they're good at is being pussies and sucking America's dick.
>>55432724
fuck off Chomskyscu, nobody cares about proudhon bakunin and kropotkin and other gibsmedats, just because you fucking commies used the term first doesn't mean you are not retarded.
we need to fucking regionban this gipsy shithole
>>55432724
im aware of what libertarian means, you mong. the term left libertarian is a joke because for it to be even technically true everyone in society would have to choose, without coercion of any form, to participate and share their wealth. otherwise its an oxymoron.
>>55432619
Also, private property (as in means of production, not personal effects, dwellings, etc) is coercion. Money based economy is coercion. And corporate capitalism, regulated or not, is the biggest proponent of coercion. Bigger even than government. So your right-libertarianism and "anarcho" capitalism is, in fact, a bigger utopia than communism.
>>55430438
My ancestors stayed here, you fucking streetshitter. Tell yours to do the same.
>>55431218
You do realize that the so called 'far left globalist ideology' that you're implying is rooted in the elite is actually the logic of neoliberalism? The large scale displacement of indigenous peoples along with the ruthless exploitation of their natural resources is purely capitalist. Under socialism, Mass immigration would be unnecessary because people will have enough opportunities to prosper in their own surroundings.
Also, you forget that you can't apply the same methodology to study both natural and social sciences. Does that mean you stop studying them altogether, even though it might be 'pseudo science'? :^)
>>55432769
An American thinks that the British Empire, which abolished slavery, treated all subjects equally under the law, and brought civilization and prosperity to the world (see video at >>55432626) was "murder and genocide," yet his own slave-master ancestors wiped out an entire continent of people, the Indians, whom the British Empire fought alongside in 1776 when those brave and noble Americans rebelled against us.
>>55432822
You should've said you were stupid and uneducated and never heard of John Locke, I wouldn't have even bothered insulting you.
>>55430659
what, and ur not shit posting?
designated.
>>55432822
>Also, private property (as in means of production, not personal effects, dwellings, etc) is coercion
coercion in the same way that being forced to farm your own food is coercion, maybe. coercion in any other sense of the word, no. if you dont wish to participate you are free to move to the middle of nowhere and refuse to buy any goods from anyone. of course, then youre being "coerced" into working to further your own survival.
>>55432852
You know nothing about socialism, but I hope it will come to your country soon enough so you can experience it yourself. Under socialism, the state had to keep its people locked in with walls, snipers and mine fields to stop them running away from the socialist paradise.
>>55430438
/pol/ is a board mainly for anti-women threads.
What you describe are the internal inconsistencies of stormfags. Stormfags/Racists are not allowed at /pol/ anyway.
>>55432852
>you do realize...
That you are a giant FAGGOT!
OT, is anyone else tired of this faggot >>55433004
Go get stuffed by a BBC like you apparently crave to.
>>55432918
> if you dont wish to participate you are free to move to the middle of nowhere
until some greedy cunt decides that the middle of nowhere is his private property, and tries to drive me off. You're not being very realistic mate.
>>55433004
Fuck you nigger, white pride worldwide
>>55430438
>Blaming mass immigration on colonial exploitation.
>Despite the fact that a lot of countries existant now are far better off because they were colonized; Hong Kong, Australia, Singapore, Indonesia, Other dutch colonies, and mostly other English colonies
>STEM degrees
Nigga, social studies is like mentally fucking killing your capability to think, it's all emotional bullshit.
At least STEM can you get you a practical man's job, with experience albeit.
> The amount of sheer ignorance on this board is staggering. From glorifying Hitler
Yeah, this board is very stupid, ignorant and bigoted but not because it hurts your feefees, it's mostly because /pol/ in multiple times seems to constantly blame marx despite the fact that he originally was one of the few people in importance to actually act against political correctness, see victoria woodhull.
>Society and politics are complex phenomena, and screaming muh Joos or muh feminists
Like you don't do this as well you stinky shitter.
>Now you know why Trump is popular here.
Trump is popular because he is socially the only fucker who isn't bending his ass over to minorities regardless of race and lying straight of his anus.
People like you make hardcore marxists look like idiots.
>>55433088
buy a small plot of land
>oh no, ive got to partake in the greedy capitalist system and gain something by creating worth. however will i manage
and then you can be a dirty hippy and share the fruits of your own labor with other dirty hippies who refuse to do work to survive. see if thats an easier life for you than participating in capitalist "coercion"
>>55432887
... or maybe I find him outdated.
1/10 for making me answer.
>>55430438
>Well your ancestors should have stayed there instead of destroying the political, economic and social structures of other countries.
Will darkies ever stop blaming whitey for their own failures?
>>55432467
I hate you because you shit in the streets.
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>>55433106
>Fuck you nigger
>>55433084
>this faggot, Go get stuffed by a BBC like you apparently crave to.
/pol/ rule No 2: "You are free to speak your mind, but do not attack other users. You may challenge one another, but keep it civil!"
>>55433170
You stupid ass mofo. The point here is that "the greedy capitalist system"'s endgame is reducing your freedom to the utmost minimum. The point here is that if some bastard corporate committee wants the land that I bought they can buy it from under me, use a crooked legal system to sue me out of it, or just plain hire thugs to drive me off, leaving violence as the only means to defend my livelyhood. THAT's the coercion I mean.
>>55430438
>fuckthequeen
>my country was kings then britain came and oppressed us
>wesuperpowerin20years
>bitching about libtards making libtards look bad
This is all I hear. Poo in mofuggin loo.
>political science
>"value of STEM is bullshit"
stick to potty training your people, chutiye-chan
>>55433170
If you think capitalism can be voluntary, then you've yet to step out of your cave and take a look at today's world. If you call yourself educated and/or informed and still believe that bullshit, then you deserve anything you get.
>>55433332
>he thinks possible unjustified violent coercion is a larger threat in a capitalist society than it is in an authoritarian state run society
even if this was close to true, in a capitalist society we have means of retaliation. physical and through the law. in a "left libertarian" society if an individual tried to take what you needed to survive or what "belongs" to you, you have no choice but to either let them or to resist violently. If the state (which always grows to be authoritarian) decides to take what you need, you have no means to defend yourself.
>>55433467
ive already described to you how to remove yourself from the influence of a capitalist society. you just know its a lot of work and you dont have the knowledge or the skill to manage to survive without manufactured goods
>>55433511
Now I'm no statist, but as I've said above violent coercion by capitalist forces happens more often than you'd think. Land seizures from indigenous (and other) people, threats, beatings, kidnapping and murder of union members and leaders, as well as assorted other dissenters, the list goes on and on.
>>55433569
Now you just keep repeating yourself. I see this discussion is going nowhere fast, and I have things to do.
>>55433665
Then acquire evidence to prove it and take them to court. what youre describing isnt going to stop happening if people are forced to share by the state. they just wont have any means to protect themselves from it.
>>55433729
because its true. youre perfectly free to live on the sweat of your own brow. and yes, people will try to take that from you because its nature. pretending we can all just get along and itll stop happening if we all choose (read: enforced by the state) to share and be equal is ridiculous. a society with a lot of government control this risk increases, it does not decrease
>>55430438
Obscure? They literally talk about it all the time. Even if there were no connection between talk and action how do you get "obscure"?
>>55433862
Ok, last answer. Courts are corruptible and easily so. Whoever has the money wins. And that ain't gonna be poor ol' Johnny Wageslave. And for the last time I'm not a communist, socialist or any kind of statist. Self organized, self run, confederated communities would help with alot of the problems we've been "discussing" here. Now if you'll fucking excuse me, I've got work to do.
>>55431605
you sound butthurt over the empire that built all your infrastructure and lifted you slightly out of ignorance. you can complain about colonial imperialism all you want but without it you would not be using a computer reading English and shitposting on the internet as frequently as you do on the streets
>>55433978
>Courts are corruptible and easily so.
your communities are just a group of people. no more or less corruptible than a court.
>Self organized, self run, confederated communities
youre free to do that. but the moment you take resources that werent given to you without coercion, you become statist. and its not viable on a scale larger than a small community.
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>>55432626
I am actually interested in knowing about what they teaach you about colonialism in school. Do they actually portray it as some kind of service to mankind?
>British economist, Angus Maddison argues that India's share of the world income went from 27% in 1700 (compared to Europe's share of 23%) to 3% in 1950
>We paid for the occupying army and administration.
>Our industries are destroyed by high taxes and cheap imports from Britain.
>Millions perish from resulting displacement, unemployment, poverty.
>Indians withheld from holding senior job, discriminated against in our own country.
>Hurr durr we gave you everything you have now!!1!!
More like WE gave you everything you have now. Even the jewel on your queens crown was stolen from us.
>>55434020
I am aware of the few positive after effects of colonial rule but the scales are heavily tilted towards the negative side.
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>>55434439
>pic related
>>55434272
>>We paid for the occupying army and administration
We ruled our entire Empire with 4,000 civil servants. Your population amounted to 500 million people. The Empire was a net drain on Britain's economy, not a benefit. Half the country was always in favour of letting it go because it was so costly. We never needed you. Look it up. Our strong economy came from the hard work of our citizenry during the Industrial Revolution.
All the advancements you have today are because of Britain. Every railway in your country is there because of us. Your justice system, civil service, and police force are there because of us. Your old barbaric customs, like the burning of widows, were abolished because of us.
"The 200-year window of British governance was perhaps the only period in a thousand years of Indian history to date when the minorities and people of different religions felt more secure and less discriminated against, with a notable absence of killings, conflicts and persecutions."
>>Our industries are destroyed by high taxes and cheap imports from Britain.
This is laughable. What industries are you talking about? We gave you your industries. We built your coal mining industry up from virtually nothing to producing 16 million tons of coal a year.
I don't understand people like you. Is it jealousy that makes you think as you do? Is it because you were ruled by a country that conquered a continent of 500 million people halfway around the world with a handful of men. Would you prefer to have continued to live under Mughal rule?
>>55434272
>>British economist, Angus Maddison argues that India's share of the world income went from 27% in 1700 (compared to Europe's share of 23%) to 3% in 1950
This is an unsubstantiated fantasy, and what little truth there may be in it is because we became so much wealthier than you during that period of time, not because we impoverished you.
>>55430438
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>>55434567
So your graph is retarded, is basically shows that India has been in steady decline since 1AD and that colonialism neither increased or improved its GDP% looks like you were destined to be a shithole.
It also has no sources and is generally incredibly stupid for more reasons then I can be bothered with, did you make this yourself in paint? you must be high of the methane in the air from the last time you went to the designated street.
>>55434901
Is he implying that we were 20 x worse than the Mughal Empire then, since they ruled India in 1700, long before this mythical GDP drop?
"Our industries are destroyed by high taxes" is complete nonsense too, btw. See this discussion on Quora where people are struggling to understand what Britain ever got out of controlling India. https://www.quora.com/How-did-Britain-benefit-from-colonising-India
It's no coincidence that >>55434272 says "EVEN the jewel on your Queen's crown was stolen from us." There's nothing else he could list. That's just about the only thing we did take. I'm not sure what he means by "us," though. It was controlled by the Mughals for hundreds of years, and I'm assuming he's not a Muslim.
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>>55434901
>>55435436
“Should this torture then torment us
Since it brings us greater pleasure?
Were not through the rule of Timur
Souls devoured without measure?”
>>55435436
It maybe a bit hard for you to understand, (obviously you have no option now, Achmed) but multi culturalism was always part of the social fabric of the Indian subcontinent. There are numerous conflicting sects which might be said to fall under the umbrella of Hinduism, although there is no such thing as 'Hinduism' per se, plus the Jains, the Buddhists, the Sikhs, the Zoroastrians, the Muslims, the indigenous tribes, etc. Colonial rule was different because unlike the previous Mughal rule, where the country's wealth stayed in the country, now the wealth was used to fund the salaries of colonial officials, armies and the metropolis back in the UK.
' Till 1813 India had been chiefly an exporting country, while it now became an importing one; and in such a quick progression, that already in 1823 the rate of exchange, which had generally been 2/6 per rupee, sunk down to 2/ per rupee. India, the great workshop of cotton manufacture for the world, since immemorial times, became now inundated with English twists and cotton stuffs. After its own produce had been excluded from England, or only admitted on the most cruel terms, British manufactures were poured into it at a small and merely nominal duty, to the ruin of the native cotton fabrics once so celebrated. In 1780 the value of British produce and manufactures amounted only to £386;152, the bullion exported during the same year to £15,041, the total value of exports during 1780 being £12,648,616, so that the India trade amounted to only 1-32 of the entire foreign trade. In 1850 the total exports to India from Great Britain and Ireland were £8,024,000, of which cotton goods alone amounted to £5,220,000, so that it reached more than ‘/s of the whole export, and more than 1/4 of the foreign cotton trade. But the cotton manufacture also employed now 1/8 of the population of Britain, and contributed 1/12th of the whole national revenue.'
>>55430438
Often enough /pol/ uses other people's faults to justify their own
>slavery was bad
>well the niggers did it too
>>55430438
Shitpost in loo.
