Daily reminder that if you're voting against Bernie Sanders, you're LITERALLY voting for a healthcare system based on shekels rather than ethics. Healthcare is a RIGHT for all human beings, not a PRIVILEGE for the wealthy and the insured.
Bernie will win anon. Shillary on suicide watch.
>Healthcare is a RIGHT for all human beings
No it is not.
>>55414904
get a fucking job and pay for your own shit then,
fucking take it from a nation where we have tax payed health care, you are more likely to walk away worse off after an extended stay in a hospital, get a job with some sort of private health care coverage included,
cant get one, then fucking go study and get a better job.
>implying government run healthcare is not also based on shekels
>implying it's better to wait for the government to tell you what they're willing to pay for
>implying paying doctors shit and destroying continuity of care is good
>implying Bernie would ever even be able to get a fart through congress
2/10 for making me reply
r9k here, voting for Bernie. Anyone who makes less than 6 figures is a fucking retard not to vote for Bernie.
>>55415790
Wow he has no idea how bad health care and income inequality is in the states. My friends have literally died because of preventable illness and disease because they were too poor. I hope to god you move to the USA get cancer and die because you can't afford the outrageous 15k per month. Seriously your talking about shit you know nothing about and will end up killing my friends and family. You and the queen can go fuck yourself
>>55415067
Money isn't a right either. Fork it over, cumskin.
>>55414904
Nice opinion, faggot.
>>55417082
If you want it, go and get it. Whats stopping you? Why wait for him to give it to you on his own time? Why wait, just go take it from him now. What are you, some kind of kuck?
>>55415067
I do agree that a nation should provide its own national citizens with free healthcare.
It's what true patriotic nationalist nations do, right? For their own people?
Anyways, free college? No. That is a privilege.
>>55414904
You have a right to take my money to pay for your shit?
People like you are ehy i left america. 3% property taxes? Really? You steal my house in 33 years, 3% at a time, to pay for niggers?
I hope niggers shoot you, op
>>55417443
Property tax is local and pays for schools tard. Funny how they don't complain about farm subsidies or wars but u want to be healthy and educated??? Fuck that. Why stop there? Let's get rid of elementary and high school. Fucking kids getting smarter? Not on my dime. America leads the world like the blind leads the blind
>>55418936
Schools should be privatized, parents can pay for them
>>55415790
>he says, from the comfort of a country with an NHS and a welfare system that hands out benefits like candy
Get fucked, you piece of bongshit.
>>55414904
Sanders is controlled opposition. They know what happened last time socialism came about in Germany, and fear another Hitler rising in the US.
>>55419139
That's the thing nit wit parents can't pay minimum wage is 8 dollars an hour and without a education that's all you get. Poor children should have the chance to get ahead but the only thing they get is kicked in the face by republicans. Go to Nigeria and Haiti and see how that type of systems works
healthcare is so complicated that only the free market could possibly organize it into a sustainable and effective service that could meet the needs of the vast majority of people.
The problems with healthcare in america are caused by government intervention, not the free market.
>government creates an artificial demand increase for healthcare through the Mandate
>healthcare premiums naturally end up costing more to compensate
>hurr we need the government to make it cheaper it is a right
>>55419524
Quit sucking trumps cock to stick your head back up your ass. The system is broke if people are dying because of lack of care. Poor people are tired of waiting for the rich fucks piss to trickle down on them and now that over half of America is angry we will elect Bernie to champion our issues. Unlike u Bernie doesn't like to see his people dying
>>55414904
>>55414904
this
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>>55419956
>gubbment mandate is the same thing as a single-payer system
>it's not the fault of corporatism or the role of lobbying or anything that costs are so inflated
>medical billing and administration due to the complexity thereof contributes nothing to the costs
>If we actually tax capital gains so that the kike fucks that run the nation paid for the society that keeps their right to capital in the first place extant, like any other developed nation,all the rich people would just move to the other developed nations that already do it
>poor people never wanted healthcare anyway or they'd go out and buy it or just start a business with their great credit, go get a job that doesn't exist, or move to some other country. If they're simply stupid or have bad genes or whatever, they deserve to die LOL
Healthcare isn't a right for human beings...Hell! Living isn't a right for all human beings!
>feel the bern of crushing deficit and debt
>>55420657
Your right in the USA it isn't a right unlike the right to own a gun... But it should be and Bernie willing it will be
>>55417059
>>55419314
you have literally no clue what the state of national health care is like in the day and age, This isn't the fucking 70' where the NHS was in it's prime, It's falling to pieces now and barely held together, with an aging population, MASSIVE population incenses, decreasing quality standards, fuck you're more likely to die waiting for your first treatment for cancer.
Any medication you still have to pay for, Getting an appointment for a doctor? that's a month waiting list tops, want to register at a dentist well good fucking luck finding one that has space and is not in the middle of butt fucking nowhere.
when you do get your appointment chances are it's an immigrant doctor that barely speaks English, and will honestly not give two shits about what you say and often proscribe shit that would kill you as he hasn't bothered to read your notes,
and you, America, one the the most highly populated places on the planet want to try have a NHS style system,
all i can say is good fucking luck with that, it would collapse upon it's self in a week.
>>55414904
>Healthcare is a RIGHT for all human beings
Translation:
The slavery of doctors is ethical
>>55420702
Bush already loaded up on the crushing debt. This time we will get healthcare instead of misses and billions in missing pallets of cash
>>55414904
You also believe morbidly obese people 'deserve' healthcare? For free? Lmao
>>55420657
Exactly, we define what "Human Rights" are, strictly speaking healthcare is not a right but all nations that truly want to say that they care for their citizens should provide healthcare, but we all know the insurance companies wouldn't want that would they.
I live in Australia where we have medicare, it's not perfect but it covers most things and usually will not leave somebody to die, I broke my ankle and have private cover so I got to pick my surgeon and have a private room but even if I didn't have cover I'd still get the surgery done just as well and I'd have to share a room.
>>55414904
Trump also supports nationalised healthcare.
Explain to me how something that you depend upon the knowledge of another for is a right? What if every doctor and nurse died at once and all knowledge of health was lost. Who would present you with your healthcare? Who will you force to fill your aids perscription?
>>55420924
You don't get it do you horse mouth. There is no getting it in a month here, you don't fucking get it period you don't get a bad Doctor you get no fucking Doctor. You don't get bad care you get no fucking care. What aren't you getting??? Don't tell me my no doctor is better than your bad one. If you want to experience it just don't use your health care then it will be on par with ours
>healthcare is a RIGHT
lol
>>55421050
Obama increased the Debt 40% more than Bush did in only 6 years, all by expanding healthcare.
Bernie "the kek" wants to increase healthcare and all other welfare spending even more.
>voting bernie "vacuum pennies" sanders
>>55421024
>implying doctors would be forced into service or work for free
You're a fucking idiot.
>>55414904
fuckin socialist libtards, wanting the governmint to pay for private luxuries like healthcare and police protection and roads. If my house catches fire, I'll pay the firefighters to put it out. If it doesn't, then why am I still paying the firefighters to put out other people's fires?
>>55421024
It's not like doctors would be able to just open a private practice or leave the nation, right? It's way better to be a slave to the insurance and pharmaceutical industry than the government anyway.
>>55414904
>LITERALLY
>RIGHT
>PRIVILEGE
Did you get lost on your way to dumblr you cunt?
>>55414904
Don't you have a bull to prep??
Faggot
>>55420546
>government interventionism is completely different from government interventionism
>I'm going to completely ignore the fact that premiums got significantly more expensive since Obamacare
>implying we don't tax capital gains at 20% currently
>poor people can't pay for healthcare, but they can pay for healthcare and an unstable bureaucracy
>i'm totally not a dirty communist kike trust me i say kikes and post anime
>>55421566
Okay so let's say they all leave or open a private practice.
Now what?
>>55421457
Feel free to vote for the new bush limp dick. Have fun in ww3
>>55421457
This. I shouldn't have to pay for anyone else under any circumstances. Nothing in the environment affects us, and it's a combination of moral righteousness and hardwork that makes people wealthy.
>>55421375
>all by expanding healthcare.
Sure he did, brah. Got some sources? The act was nothing but a boon to insurance companies as they exist now anyway, shitdick.
>>55414904
http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/110915-779664-denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist.htm
nice democratic socialist country bernie
>>55421697
>implying Democratic foreign policy is any different
>>55421779
>Sure he did, brah. Got some sources?
Everyone's premiums are through the roof, and the debt is more than twice of what it was when Bush left office.
Are you retarded?
>The act was nothing but a boon to insurance companies as they exist now anyway
Exactly.
Why you want more of these government subsidies to insurance companies from ole Bernie is beyond me
>>55421353
maybe you don't get it, in a decade there will be no more NHS, It would of collapse on it's self as its ultimately an unsustainable model,
Until you've stayed in an NHS hospital, until you've had people you know and love die from incompetence or lack of giving a shit because it's a public job, until you know the massive spread of infection from people not giving a shit because it's a public job, Then fuck off yank, you're just another "gibby me" that wants something for nothing but can't grasp it's never free, all you're doing is paying more then you would privately for shiter service,
My brother almost lost his arm from incompetent doctors and nurses that refused to acknowledge an blatant infection, he had to be moved to a private hospital to get treated and guess what they where just payed excess by the government then what a normal health policy would of cost.
I've had my mother dead nearly twice from the rampant super bugs that go on from the huge drop of cleaning standards,
Not use the NHS, I avoid it like the plague.. because it might as well be that, I would much rather cut the dam entire thing out of the tax and use the money to help pay a private insurance.
>>55421627
>government interventionism is completely different from government interventionism
Nice strawman, faggot. Because any action of government can just be filed under the same category, yeah?
>I'm going to completely ignore the fact that premiums got significantly more expensive since Obamacare
It's like you think Obamacare was socialized medicine and not a gift to the insurance kikes for funding his campaign. They've never funded anyone else in government, either. Of course, this is a fault of government anyway too, for existing.
>implying we don't tax capital gains at 20% currently
Do you actually think truly wealthy people pay that much for their gains? That's not very high anyway when you've got regular income in the billions as a result of just owning something.
>poor people can't pay for healthcare, but they can pay for healthcare and an unstable bureaucracy
They already pay for an unstable bureaucracy and for the massively inflated compensation of executive staff. Ever been to the billing center of a hospital? No? You will someday, champ.
>i'm totally not a dirty communist kike trust me i say kikes and post anime
Everybody who thinks universal health care is a good idea is a communist, right?
>>55414904
i hope burning commies alive is gonna a right someday
Get rid of Medicare.
If you've lived that long you can handle yourself. If you can't then you die like the filthy parasite that you are.
>>55422171
>government does something poorly, therefore it's not government's fault it's everybody else
>if it's nice it's a boon to insurance companies, but if it's not nice it's a gift to them
>the tax exists and people pay it but they REALLY don't pay it because i said so
>implying the government created bureaucracy will magically go away if more government was implemented
>socialist programs are not socialist and i'm not a socialist kike if i call the other person a kike enough
>>55414904
>It's ethical to take peoples money and spend it on shit that doesn't work for policies and programs that they do not want or need.
>Keep in mind that Bernie Sander's tax reform plan does not pay down existing debt
you're an ignorant faggot and i hope you commit suicide when Bernie Sanders doesn't win dick.
>>55422135
Funny how you know people who almost died and I know people that did die. See the difference yet? Of corse you don't licking the queens feet.
The debt under Obama was bushes because the war was off the books until he came into office and obamacare has lowered premiums that's a fucking fact look it up
>>55420077
I live in Michigan and my sister works as an xray tech near Port Huron, and she says Canadians cross the border to get tests, med exams, and xrays because the socialized system is fucking shit.
Think about that, people are waiting so long for the government, they're willing to go to another country for the health care
>>55425450
You fucking tard. It's because there government pays for the tests in the USA through their health care system. Also far more Americans go to Canada to get health care then the other way around. A,erican healthcare is great if you can pay 800 a month for the insurance with a 1200 dollar deductible only 120 percent of the federal poverty income.
Feel the Bernie. Our last best hope
>>55421779
>This. I shouldn't have to pay for anyone else under any circumstances. Nothing in the environment affects us, and it's a combination of moral righteousness and hardwork that makes people wealthy.
bruh I was being sarcastic... I don't actually want to privatize fire departments are you fucking crazy?
>>55425760
>Far more Americans go to Canada for Healthcare
Are you spewing shit from your fingertips into your keyboard?
>>55414904
FREE SHIT
DESIGNATED
>privilege
>>>/tumblr/
to be fair, America has a diet problem. The fat people will cripple the system, what we eat is garbage and the people dont care. They have type 2 diabetes they can reverse and they just yolo ill lose my foot instead.
>not footing that bill.
>>55414904
>ethics
Go ahead. Debate me. I am chair of a medical ethics board at a hospital in N.J. I am an E.R. Physician
My son sent me a text about this place. So far, you are all living in a fantasy land.
>>55414904
It's bait topics like this that make me want to just stop coming here
>>55414904
There's too many of you dirty, working-class fuckers, not to mention niggers and sandniggers and beaners, running around.
We don't need to expand your lifespans and make it easier to breed more of you little shits.
We're running out of resources.
Pic related, whites used to be wolves before mass nigger influx and obsessive egalitarianism.
>>55425950
The people with diabetes definitely won't be footing the bill
Nightly reminder that if you're voting for Bernie you're voting for a kike.
>>55426151
I now realize im a fucking autist good night senpai
>>55425971
On a medical board not boast at all.
Every republican has a straw man argument based on Fox News talking points. He's a socialist he's giving away free stuff. Nothing at all about how poor are dying or military spending. I'm so sick of these republican manipulating the simple minded Americans makes me sick they take advantage of these retarded republicans.
>>55414904
>Mongoloid noises.
Thinking that Socialized Medicine is a good idea only proves you should be gassed for the sake of our species.
>>55426054
Wolfs aren't monogamous but they are endangered unlike rabbits... Survival of the fittest you fucking idiot?
>>55426233
If you're upset about poor people dying, you've clearly never lived near poor people. They deserve everything bad that's ever happened to them.
>>55426233
Oh look, the sad mating call of the few remaining MSNBC viewers.
Your species will not be missed.
>Healthcare is a RIGHT
http://fee.org/resources/socialized-health-care-the-communist-dream-and-the-soviet-reality/
/thread
>>55426366
Yea I have lived with the poor and I follow Jesus treat others how you want to be treated. Not everyone who is poor is bad. I live by an idea that instead of billions in nukes we can spend a fraction of that to save people and all I hear is idiots screaming the Bernie Jew is taking our money and giving it to the niggers. So fucking ignorant it hurts
>>55426155
44 goyim presidents in a row haven't fixed our problems. Sanders will jew Wall Street, big pharma, and the rest of the oligarchs who bought out this country out of all their shekels - and he'll do it on behalf of the American people.
I'm getting 2 transplants soon, didn't wait very long. Good thing I had healthcare. I love our system. Fuck you bernie shill and fuck your "friend" I'm sure you made up.
>>55414904
Healthcare is a service
>>55426504
Back to Tumblr, faggot.
>>55414904
The product of others labor is not a right
>>55414904
Bernie who?
>>55426459
>/thread
no
>>55426544
>I want people to die because I dislike some members of a broad social category they fall into
You sound pretty tumblr yourself. Go back to tweeting #diecisscum or #killallwhitemen
>>55426553
I sure do love being told what I have to buy. Who cares that I can't afford it.
Forced into giVing the government my hard earned money. This is why bernie sanders should be taken out back and shot.
>>55426459
>every first world nation has socialized healthcare except murrica
>most of those systems work better than murrica's
>one bad example from the soviets btfos all socialized healthcare
I dont think so
>>55426544
Nice argument stick your head back up trumps ass and lick it clean. Trump makes money off casinos and he's your moral campus enough said. We're going to get this Jew elected and he's going to sell your double wide and give it to the niggers
>>55414904
Healthcare isn't a right, fuckface. Pay for your own shit once in your life.
>>55426722
The thing is you'll pay one way or another. The way these idiots want to get it is by force and without any choices.
>>55426668
The first good point made today for the red team. I don't like it either but I don't see an alternative. Republicans should focus on a counter plan instead of you should die plan
>>55414904
Healthcare is a service. It requires skilled workers, incrastructure, research, materials, energy, money, etc.
How the fuck could it be a right, if it requires the sacrifice of time, money, and resources of others?
>Healthcare is a RIGHT for all human beings
I am so tired of hearing liberals say this.
>>55421353
Stop lying, faggot. Hang yourself, cause the kek isn't going to win the election.
>>55426722
Your right health care isn't a right but it will be. As it should be
>>55426854
Exactly. I'm guessing next is phones, cars, TVs and internet are basic human rights too.
>>55426857
I heard that before right before Obama got elected. First Jew president and it's thanks to selfish idiots like u
we need less philosophers like op
>>55426575
>ignores survivability rates
>self reported survey, surprise the country who conducted it is reported the best
>not doing purchase power parity adjustments, just straight currency adjustments
top kek
>>55427005
Selfish cuz he isn't willing to give 90% of his hard earned money to the goyim that refuses to take care of himself and gets obese with type 2 diabeetus? Fuck that.
>>55427016
And more electricians like i don't even fucking know who.
>>55414904
>implying human beings have RIGHTS
>>55414904
>I have a right to demand other people to provide me services
okay buddy
>>55427016
As I make 80,000 shekels a year...
>>55427051
90 percent I see your up on your Fox News facts. Maybe if people had health care and weren't dying they wouldn't demand change so much. I'd much rather the government spend my money on endless wars in the Middle East than healing my sick grandmother. Because I'm a real american
>>55414904
it reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q5fV6ZlakQ&index=2&list=PLEEF8B5E6F16BE3FC
>>55414904
Hitler had free health care, if you are against it you are against god.
>>55426672
American survivability rates are superior to those countries, at least the UK's.
The reason why healthcare is so expensive is because there is no competition. There is so much government red tape, licensing, legislation, there is no free market to come in and compete and lower the prices...yet you would like to inject more government into this?
>american healthcare is so fucked!
>the government is in it with medicare/caid and its so fucked!
>therefore we should give them more power and money to fix it!
?????? I will never understand this
I could never really understand republicans they will force mothers not to murder their baby's and then force prisons to murder inmates. You can have it both ways pick one either life is precious or it's not. Can one of you idiots clear this up I think your Jesus is on my side
Really hope Bernie wins since it will weaken Murika abroad and Putin will be able to clean up the world.
>>55417059
anecdotal evidence. I know friends and family in "free healthvare" countries who have literally died in line waiting for a routine procedure
>>55417082
lol tell that to bitcoin, which is not issued by any states
>>55427330
Everyone likes Medicare and Medicaid and it's easy to have good survival rates when you don't treat half the patia ta and give the other half premier care. Funny how when you let people die and don't put them in the books how the statistics favor you
>>55419505
the dept of education has received many increases in budget but no increase in student ability
clearly your way is working SOOO well!
>>55414904
Daily reminder that if you're voting for Bernie Sanders, you're LITERALLY voting for a man who will disenfranchise others based on fanciful economic theory.
>>55420546
>it's not the fault of corporatism or the role of lobbying or anything that costs are so inflated
no, its literally not. the state having power that can be lobbied and the state being the granter of corporate charters is the root of that problem
>>55427487
My brother didn't die waiting he died because he was refused care. At least they found the tumor during the autopsy a cat scan would have saved his life too bad he didn't have the 2500 dollars
>>55427323
Hitler was a nationalist. GERMANS could get free healthcare, not niggers and kikes.
>>55426672
>every first world nation has socialized healthcare except murrica
whoa now, are you sure you want to make this argument? It has serious racist implications that your bernie shillkeeper might not like
>>55427554
I didn't know the dept of education was in charge of primary care. Thanks for the heads up
>>55427377
yeah I agree ted bundy was an alright chap and didn't afraid of anything you and me and ted should rent a place together
>>55414904
b8, but fuck it
>it's moral for something to be stolen from someone and used to support me for the sole reason that I was born
kill yourself, fucking faggot. No one owes you shit, you industrial cockblower
>>55427739
lets just forget all about the argument you were making for "free" schooling
>>55427660
anecdotal evidence
appeal to emotion
>>55414904
I actually did an internship at an insurance firm, we did a lot of types of insurance including medical
The cases where people get denied coverage pretty much go something like this
>made plenty of money for years
>not rich but could have afforded health care if they wanted
>lol fuck that though I'd rather buy handbags and useless stuff rather than health insurance
>if they do have insurance they have the absolute bare minimum that basically only covers physicals
>get sick
>apply for "insurance"
>get denied
>wahh the insurance company won't pay my bills for me
It isn't INSURANCE if you are already sick retards, you're just asking someone to pay your bills for you
I think we need to take care of people who really need it, but like anything else people are incapable of taking responsibility for themselves. If you could afford insurance and chose not to buy it, yeah you kind of deserve to die of you million dollar disease
>>55427800
Why the fuck do republicans keep saying he is stealing? If that's the case take it up with the irs they have been stealing for a century. While your at it get my money back for the drones I didn't want
>>55427663
Well ofcourse free health care for people not für untermensch
>>55427936
>keep saying he is stealing
Because that's what he plans to do.
Try reading something other than whatever supports your point of view.
>>55427898
If by Anecdotal you mean first hand experience and eye witness testimony your total right. Watch the film sicko for more depositions.
Not a appeal to emotion a fact. Back to middle school with you
>>55427936
Do the people who make artwork like this realize how silly it looks to have pacifists and antifuns portrayed as flagwaving rambos?
>>55427256
>implying you pay taxes
>>55427936
>the IRS bamboozles people and steals money
>well if the IRS is doing it, that means it's moral for poor faggots like me to leech off of people like you even more!
Fucking McKill yourself ASAP, you mongoloid retard. You're the literal fucking cancer that is killing this country.
>>55428025
Why don't you present a coherent argument instead of the Jew is taking our freedoms. Tax aren't stealing and your in this boat because of the right wings indifference to the lower class. I like what was done but not how it was done but we did the best we could with what we had
>>55428218
Not black or poor but thanks for playing. I expect republicans to be retarded so no worries
>>55428220
>asks for coherent argument
>lies in first post
I never said anything about him being a Jew, you lying fuck.
Look at this poor banker being forced to deal with this savage. Disgusting he needs to pick himself up by his boot strings onto the kitchen table
>>55414904
I don't care. There is more to the presidency than healthcare.
>>55428409
>Hong Kong
Swell with corruption, crime, and a shitty life for everyone who isn't a major businessman
Who the fuck are you to tell us "How a presidency should behave?"
>>55428297
You have failed to provide any logically consistent argument, economically OR philosophically speaking, that solidly supports your faggy declaration regarding "free" healthcare.
You're the retard here, buddy.
>>55428363
My bad you republicans all sound the same it happens when your missing a brain can't subtract from zero
Health care is a human right. But our healthcare system quality is better than anyone else's... So you either get the best possible healthcare at the cost of corrupt insurance companies, or shit healthcare that everyone gets access to.
I lived in France for two years. I hurt my arm and waited 7 hours to get it looked at. Doesn't happen here.
>>55428467
I did sorry your too dull to understand. After you finish high school look back on the thread you'll get it then
>>55428488
Your right it doesn't happen here. You don't get it looked at
>>55414904
>shekels
Give bernie your vacuum pennies. Don't poo poo them
>>55414904
How is it a right? Who made it a right? Jesus?
Solution. Kill all poor people then grind them up to kill superman. That way we all win. Also fuck schools and Obama. Luther 2016
>>55414904
Wait a second.
Didn't Obongo already fix healthcare?
>>55428481
>when your missing a brain can't subtract from zero
>your in this boat
lol, your need to learn English
Look guys we have to stop Bernie. He's gonna take all our money to help sick people and give watermelon to the niggers. We gots ta put trump up in dare rights quick b4 our freedoms
>>55414904
Trump support single payer healthcare, retard.
>>55428786
I'll work on it thanks. Trump 2016 "fuck sick people"
>>55428538
No, you did not. The fact that you truly believe you have makes it even worse.
>your too dull
>your
>using dull as an adjective in that abortion of a sentence
>implying I'm the one in high school
Seriously, kid, fucking off yourself. No one likes an ugly beta faggot, especially women. You might as well end it now since I can almost guarantee you to be some kind of repulsive reject sperglord.
Healthcare is a good, like food, like clothing, like shelter, yes they are essential, but they are not rights.
Goods are something we want or need. In essences, it's the opposite of a right. We have our rights naturally from birth, but we need our parents when we are children and we need ourselves as adults to purchase the goods we require. Food is a good, shelter is a good, clothing is a good, education is a good, a car is a good, legal representation is a good, a gym membership is a good, and access to healthcare is a good, not a natural, God given right.
>>55428894
Ok teach I'll be sure to work on my contractions for homework. Because I'm 30 and married I don't really care what the girls say but I'll let my wife know. Hope u enjoy puberty
>>55429034
Why do you have a right to free speech and a right to a gun? You don't need them to live by your argument
>>55429053
$1,000 says you and your wife are both ugly and/or fat as fuck. Time-stamp a pic, and I will PayPal you the money immediately if I'm wrong.
Bernie is shit but you all still need to admit one thing, he's a fuck load better than Shillary
If that Jew sanders wins n tries 2 take my freedoms I a move my double wide to Mexico them beaners know about my freedoms
hey bernie shills
I already have two degrees, but if Bernie wins can I go back to college and leech off of the system indefinitely? I enjoyed being a student.
this is a serious question, by the way
>>55429166
Lol yea I bet you will. Do I look like a republican
>>55429167
>Bernie is shit
Just stop there and we're good.
>>55429210
Probably not but a man can dream. He wouldn't pay living expenses
>>55425111
That's fucking false, a simple search disproves what you said.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/10/23/now-there-can-be-no-doubt-obamacare-will-increase-non-group-premiums-in-nearly-all-states/
Also, Obama added on to the debt.
>>55429279
I'll give you that one if u concede republicans have shit for brains
>>55421456
Of course they wouldn't work for free! 40 acres and a mule.
>>55421566
>It's not like doctors would be able to just open a private practice
They WOULDN'T be able to open a private practice.
>or leave the nation, right?
Since when is 'love it or leave it' a valid argument? I guess leftists are taking a page out of the jingoism playbook, here.
>>55429106
A right is something that is natural, endowed to us by our creator at birth, that extends from our humanity. We own our bodies, thus we own the gifts that emanate from our bodies. So our rights to life, liberty, our rights to develop our personality, our rights to think as we wish and to speak what we think and to publish what we think or speak. A right to worship or not to worship, a right to travel, to defend ourselves (right to own a gun), to use our own property as we see fit, a right to due processes which is fairness from the government and the right to be left alone are all rights that stem from our humanity, these are natural rights that we are born with, the government does not grant them to us and the government does not pay for them and the government can't take them away unless a jury finds that we have violated someone else's rights.
>>55429241
No, I'm betting on the fact that you look like a typical ugly liberal slob, you dingus. Ya know, repulsive, dirty, possibly fat, and just generally unattractive. You don't want to make the easiest $1,000 of your life by proving me wrong?
>>55429294
That's from 2014 shit for brains look at the 2015 Numbers
>>55429354
Look kid. I'm not fat, ugly or a virgin. The fact that those are the only things you seem to care about and are your go to card tells me a lot about you. After your balls drop you will start to see things different
>>55429335
I wasn't talking to you.
Go shill your bullshit to someone else.
are you guys seriously falling for the obvious b8?
TRUMP 2016
>>55429351
Wow bro it was seriously painful to read that mumbled up word vomit. Are you high on mushrooms? No offense
>>55429447
Well, you gave it a good shot, buddy. Maybe you'll learn from your loss this time and make an effort to actually construct a reasonable, non-nigger-tier argument next time.
Enjoy being an ugly loser with a fat, ugly wife. :)
>>55429612
Will do hope you get laid in high school. Doubtful though
>>55417379
Yes make everyone pay for the leaches of society, what's next, mandatory cancer strenghtning pills?
On the plus size if trump gets elected
>>55429378
Mind giving me numbers besides yelling "LOOK IT UP" like a retard?
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-population/
True answer is that premiums didn't go up across the board, but for the most part they did.
>>55429728
I think Jesus said blessed are the poor as he washed their feet. Christian republicans usually forget that part
>>55427377
Yup, babies are on the same level as serial killers. Makes sense.
>>55414904
free health care is ok, big problem is that he plans to pay it with fairy dust....
Here I pay a shit load in taxes, and not always see a return....
>>55429747
Trump will be out of office by 2027 even if he wins both terms.
>>55429780
Your the one using old data sheets and comparing apples to oranges your whole premise is false. Obama care forces insurance companies to accep pre existing conditions something they could usually deny also the premiums will always be lower on a subsidized plan as low as 0 per month so it seems like you just want the false unsubsidized rates to cook the books but even those have fallen in certain states
>>55429811
U fucking retarded kangaroo humper he has a detailed plan on how to pay it. The only fairy dust is your boyfriends dried jizz on your face
>>55429990
And you're the one using nothing.
>>/trash/
>>55429803
It's not a level. You either value human life or you don't. You can't square that circle and say a zygote has a right to live and a grown man doesnt
>>55430091
Your focusing on a small part of a big picture not even considering co pays deductibles lifetime caps and many other variables your just looking at premiums don't worry it's a common Fox News talking point I can see how it could of confused you
>>55414904
Maybe post someone other than Trump that does not also support single-payer health care?
>Literally the same 'here have some free shit' people with different labels
>>55430310
No idea what your trying to say or whose side your on
>>55414904
I'm all for Sanders vs. Trump. That would be a great election.
ABC Voters unite
Anyone
But
Clinton
>>55430226
Again, you're using nothing and pulling shit from your ass.
Why am I falling for the economic illiteracy bait?
>>55430411
Your the one who made a statement it's your job to back it up the burden of proof doesn't fall on me for your assertions.
>>55430086
>he has a detailed plan on how to pay it.
Yeah, by screwing people you think deserve it.
How original.
>>55430469
No his plan doesn't involve any screwing what so ever. With the added bonus of you keeping your freedoms
>>55430380
Fuck trump but I would never vote Clinton didn't like bill that much either
It appears Bernie has won the thread as he will win 2016
>>55430576
Yeah, it does.
If you were honest, you could admit that his plan to tax financial trades is so massive that it's ludicrous.
Unless you're just ignorant of it.
More likely, you just figure it won't affect anyone you know or give a fuck about.
I don't have time to educate you, you can look it up.
>>55430806
I have lots of stock holdings and currently live off an annuity go ahead look that up. His plan is sound and would at most tax the top ten percent. Do a little home work
>>55430467
Except he's done that already, and you have nothing to counter it other than baseless bitching.
When the person making a claim has brought multiple sources to back it up, the burden of proof is now on you to disprove what he's brought.
Protip: your feels and bitching about Fox News are far from sufficient in this argument.
Now that I think about it... The poor top ten percent a stock brokers.... They'd be giving up the 100 foot hatch and for what... Health care for all Americans... A better way of life....
Ok u converted me Jen bush 2016
>>55430877
What argument u don't have one. It may of raised some premiums in some states... Using a article from 2014... You go boy u sure showed me
>>55414904
>Healthcare is a RIGHT for all human beings
So are guns. Doesn't mean I'm going to ask the tax payers to buy me one.
>>55430968
>poor top ten percent a stock brokers.
Haha, like I said, people you don't give a fuck about.
Enjoy your shameless hypocrisy, you cunt.
>>55431021
Good point but you also have the right to a lawyer... Appointed to the indigent at no cost it's established law
>>55431082
My bad didn't know u were sticking up for Goldman Sachs u know the guys who wrecked the economy and got a 10 trillion dollar bail out. Didn't hear u complaining then
>>55431019
And what proof do you have that this is not the case, other than baseless bitching about the source and acting smug?
I mean, even posting smug anime faces would be a more worthwhile argument than dodging from proving him outright.
>>55431082
Exactly what do you do? I'm confused on why your so against taxing the rich. I make 100k and I'm fine with it. Are you pulling down 10 mil or something?
>>55431134
This is bait dude, realized like 30 minutes ago.
>>55417082
Its not a right. Thats why I don't have any. Doesn't mean the government should give me any for no reason.
>>55431134
What proof do I have that what is not the case? You want me to prove a negative? I can't prove there are no fairys but I'm pretty sure they don't exist
>>55431133
>says no screwing would occur
>says only 10% would be screwed
>puts wheels on goalposts
>throws Goldman red herring
I'm extremely economically conservative..
Haven't been to this shit site in years, but I tell you what -- I will vote Sanders now. Only because even with my excellent insurance and brogrammer take home pay I STILL get infuriated with medical shills n' billz.
I had to pay another bill today for something I had done in September. $157 with no indication that it would cost extra. Fuck it all
Sanders bros.
If you want this guy to win you have to get Killary Clinton out of the way first.
You should be spending all your time focusing on her. Smearing her. Attacking her followers. Doing anything you can to destroy her chances at winning the nomination.
Take her out.
>>55414904
Get a fucking job and work for it. I'm not spending my hard earned money so jobless Nigger Jim can get his baby momma to her monthly abortion. Fuck off and move to SWEDEN YES if you want hand outs.
>>55417059
i'll take things that happened for 400 trebek
>>55431246
You are correct currently it's not a right... But it should be and it soon will be. Insurance companies shouldn't get to decide who lives and dies everyone should be treat regardless of means
>>55431086
Fair, but I was illustrating how a right does not imply tax payer support. Some are worth it. Healthcare may be -- but the implication that because it's a right, it thus IS...
nope.
The debate is why it should be. So this argument that "a right" implies it is; annoys me.
What's fucking retarded is that America is already spending more money on public healthcare than countries with free public healthcare.
That's right, US IS ALREADY SPENDING MORE MONEY ON PUBLIC HEALTHCARE THAN COUNTRIES WITH FREE HEALTHCARE.
Wtf niggers? Where does that cash go? Why the fuck don't we have free healthcare right now?
>>55431227
all of /pol/ is bait senpai. only difference is if you agree with the bait or not
>>55431251
>somebody makes a claim
>provides sources with claim
>you make a claim that those sources are incorrect
>nuh uh i don't need sources mommy told me so
provide evidence of your claims that premiums are lower or the same as they were before Obamacare or go play in traffic, I don't care either way desu.
>>55431255
Not sure what your trying to say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it
>>55431258
>I want free shit so i'll ruin the country for it.
>>55414904
Didn't Donald state that single payer healthcare was certainly under consideration?
I mean, I wouldn't mind that, but for got sakes, something has to be done about the steaming mess of crony capitialist afterbirth that is Obama care.
>>55414904
Ethics? Does this seem ethical to you? Im making 1k more next year than I did the last and because of it my deductible and out of pocket max is fucking ridiculous.
Obamacare is a scam meant to pad the pockets of insurance companies while giving the trash of the country more free shit for nothing.
>>55431386
The proof was dated and the argument a fares not taking into account all relevant data
This is why people call you stupid fyi
>>55431368
This is because of corporatism. Ending that solves much of the healthcare issue.
Band-aiding the problem by simply throwing the taxpayers money at it is detrimental to any solution. Like tuition increases over the years, healthcare costs started going up the moment government subsidized them.
>>55417379
I agree but it only works without mass immigration and health tourism
>>55431341
It should not be a right. Rights are for defending your freedom from the government not to live a comfortable life. The government isn't here to make everyone happy, their only job should be to govern. Make laws and enforce them. They should have never involved themselves with the economy and they should not take over medical services. Seriously, why don't you leave America if you hate the consequences of freedom so much? Is it because you're that big of a pussy that you can't even move to another country?
>>55431450
Lol you talk about ethics and call poor people trash. You go to church?
>>55431456
The best part is the sources aren't even dated. They're from 2014. Scholars use older sources.
>>55431570
I've been all over but America is a democracy and we will probably win. Why don't you consider a move? But be careful as every other industrialized country has universal healthcare
>>55431583
Attack the person instead of the argument, good job, justify what you can see in my picture and i'll go away
>>55414904
You don't have a right to anything you can't earn yourself you communist fucktard
>>55431643
Lol sources from almost 2 years ago aren't dated. Good one!
>>55431683
I agree all babies should be killed... Freeloaders
>>55431697
Your a great troll or shill or you're actually 14 years old and a bit slow.
>>55431459
Then take government out?
Get rid of all the red-tape, licensing, revolving FDA door bullshit, exuberant amount of schooling, etc.
The market will adjust to a more affordable product.
Again I don't get this whole well government fucked it up so we should give them more money to fix it (fuck it up) some more notion.
>>55414904
>Healthcare is a RIGHT for all human beings
I never understood this line of reasoning.
>oh fuck I cut myself doing something stupid, hey you doctor over there, you have to help me and bandage me!
>sure ok but I'm not going to do it for free
>yes you do it's my right to free healthcare and denying me that is denying my rights
>>55431717
Nice argument.
I deserve free everything because........
>>55431697
>sources from the most recent completed year aren't dated
Provide contrary evidence or go play in traffic.
>>55431746
I'm the future. You hate Bernie now but history will make you love him
also where did this "Bernie is against corporations" meme come from? looking at his track record he's as big a corporate shill as any other major politician, even worse he tries to cover up and lie about what he supports
>>55431795
You mean when he destroys america and turns it into communist country. Communism always works out really well. Just make sure to take our evil guns away before we do it so the heritics can't fight back.
>>55431776
Why is it you want me to prove you wrong. You say something silly I tell you why it's not a fair comparison and you say something stupid like play in traffic. You can't come up with a good argument yourself? Is that your whole platform premium costs? Is there nothing else to it?
>>55431717
>Socialists literally comparing full grown adults to toddlers
I guess that explains you socialist scum. You want the government to be your new mommy and baby you because you never grew the fuck up. The difference between adults and toddlers is that adults should be capable of self sufficiency, If you aren't it's natural selection in action.
>>55431860
He's a democratic socialist not a communist back to Fox News for you
Rand "The Single Payer Dragon Slayer" Paul
>>55431680
>>55431583
>>55431450
I'm waiting
>>55431920
What? No full grown people aren't babies take a biology class. Hope I cleared that up
>>55431898
The argument was presented with sources long ago. Counter it with a source or go play in traffic.
Can you do this, or do I have to presume you'll need more than the helmet you're currently wearing?
>>55431964
Yea your income went up your premium went up. Blame the insurance company and down grade your silver plan. Or upgrade to gold I don't care. Are you out of work and homeless? Then you can complain how you can't pay. I'm sick of you free loaders wanting Obama to give you free health care. Stop making money and go be homeless if it's so great. Go live in a dumpster and take advantage of how great it is to be poor and desperate
>>55431795
And what about when Bernie is out?
You really think you should give that kind of power to the state? you don't think any evil or nefarious group will get a hold of that power and use it for their own ends?
You berniekeks think so short term.
The powerful will always stiffarm the state into working for them.
>sidenote
Literally turned 3 students off to bernie today in uni, debunked the whole "free" education bullshit.
These berniefags are retarded, and even their most elite shitposters can easily be destroyed.
>>55432034
I can only tell u so many times. False premise and I don't need to prove your assumptions. Ok mom?
>>55432058
Income went from 23k to 24k which is way below median and my deductible went up nearly 2x as much as my gross did.
it's not the insurance companies fault it's the shitty ACA that suddenly allows a massive assrape of a deductible to be had after a certain threshold
>>55431974
Leftist ideas are so retarded you can't even come up with a single defense for them
Remember to vote republican everyone
>>55432106
I don't give a shit about the powerful this is about the poor. Your on a completely different page
>>55432111
>I can only shift myself from making an argument so many times.
If you absolutely can not provide anything that counters those sources other than bitching "they're not from the current year of which hasn't even been finished yet therefore they're not correct!", then you're forfeiting the argument. Go play in traffic David.
