Seriously though.
>>55389909
Obama delivers on campaign promise to Warren Buffett. Finally. Illegally.
Those choo choo train tanks? Warren owns them.
what's sad is that we already have a pipeline that goes to oklahoma and has never had a problem, yet people freak out about building one that goes to texas because muh environment.
>>55389909
LOL
>>55389995
thanks obama
>>55389909
Let the Frostbacks run a pipeline to their own coastline, or better yet build a refinery to process that tar closer to home, and export refined product. Trains will not be used as a substitute for the pipeline anyway. They will just use existing pipelines.
>>55389909
What's the point of building it if oil sands are too expensive to produce? Companies are pumping it out at a loss right now.
>>55390047
Exactly this: Canada is such a kek undeveloped country that there's no infrastructure to move oil from Alberta to the east.
THOSE FUCKING OIL TRAINS KEEP ROLLING THROUGH BISMARCK EVERY HOUR OF THE FUCKING DAY AND CUT OUR CITY IN HALF DURING PEAK TRAVEL HOURS. I FUCKING HATE YOU SO MUCH OBAMA AND BNSF RAIL AND WARREN BUFFET FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK THOSE RAILROADS WERE BUILT TO TRANSFER GRAIN AND AGRICULTURAL GOODS NOT FUCKING OIL STOP EXPLODING YOUR FUCKING OIL CARS IN MY CITIES FUCK FUCK FUCK A&HHHHHHHHHHH1111Q1QQQQ1
>>55389909
Obama is an idiot.
>>55389995
really? source?
>>55390069
it would have, at the very least, provided new projects for energy companies to work on. Thus helping ease the recession the energy sector currently faces, and not make Canada look a complete economic shit hole that it is right now.
>>55390047
>Trains will not be used as a substitute for the pipeline anyway.
Do you even follow the news, hippie?
These things explode all the time for the past half decade, and there limited to no NTSB regulation so make it safer. These go through populated areas.
>>55389995
This too. We need a pitbull right wing attorney general after 2016 to go after this and go after hillary. They can't keep getting away with this.
>>55390195
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNSF_Railway
Headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas, the railroad is a wholly owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway Inc.[3]
Berkshire Hathaway is owned by Warren Buffet.
>>55390207
Better to build pipelines to the west and east and ship out finished product instead of digging shit out of the ground and selling raw resources at a steep discount. Apparently autistic CEOs of Calgary oil companies are struggling to grasp such simple concepts.
Those trains explode with some regularity you know
>>55390195
Berkshire Hathaway (NYSE: BRK-B) bought Burlington Northern Santa Fe for $26.5 billion back in 2010. It was his biggest acquisition ever.
http://www.wyattresearch.com/article/top-railroad-stocks/
The jew knows damn well what he's doing when he does it.
>>55390047
You are a fucking idiot, the railroad is already packed to the brim with oil tankers. The situation is so bad that our crops are rotting waiting to get shipped by train because the rails are overloaded with oil tanks.
t. North Dakota
>>55390069
it is tar sands, not oil.On the American Petroleum Institute Gravity Scale, tar is anything below 10 degrees, and the Athabascan product is usually around 8.
>>55390315
The oil trains that explode are coming from the Dakotas, not Athabasca.
An easier solution would be to refine our oil domestically but no Murkens would agree to or think about that.
>>55390547
Semantics, my pedantic le leddit friend.
>>55390495
>http://www.ibtimes.com/warren-buffett-keystone-pipeline-cause-effect-1560093
>>55390495
what would happen to the train if you observe patterns when it usually comes and then sabotage the track in the middle of nowhere before it arrives
>>55390660
No, it is based on technology and economics.
>>55390746
It would derail?
>>55390758
No, it's based on marketing terms. Please stop being autistic.
>>55390746
It would fucking explode like last time
https://youtu.be/UQylUAXXpYg
Blew up a city. That isn't the first time a BNSF train BLEW UP in a North Dakota city.
>>55390691
>>55390495
>>55389995
>>55390041
>>55391017
Thanks for killing the pipeline goyim. Thanks obama. Thanks environment hippie retards. Now my investment in Burlington Northern Santa Fe is worth more shekels than ever. And fuck any NTSB regulations. I don't give a fuck if a few dozen towns of goyim hicks exploded.
*rubbing intensifies*
>>55389909
Reminder that the existing US pipeline infrastructure is massive, runs through the same aquifer recharge zones as the Keystone pipeline would, and no "environmental catastrophe" has ever occurred.
Reminder that Leftists are braindead morons that regurgitate whatever anti-Western, anti-capitalist pantloads their puppetmasters in the media spoonfeed them.
Either way isn't it just getting shipped to China??
Be honest America, Canada makes a lot more sense. :D
>>55391350
Well, to be fair facts don't really matter - especially to liberals. It's just a matter of optics and FEELS...
>>55390920
the API recognizes app. 130 different grades of crude oil, all of which are defined by technical methods. These grading methods are used by refineries to determine if a particular grade of oil is suitable for processing in that refinery, and for what products.
Athabasca has tar, which should be used for making asphalt, tar paper, etc. The cost of refining it into gasolene is far too high. That is why it is used to make a substandard form of diesel that is illegal to use in the U.S. and is exported to South/Central America.
>>55391360
It's already being shipped to the U.S. The pipeline would just make it cheaper to transport it.
>>55391475
>optics
>liberals
why are most canadians so stupid they don't even understand the words they use
>>55391442
fuck off syrup mullet, your 15 minutes are about up
>>55391350
Which is precisely why the Keystone is unnecessary. The Canucks can pump that tar through the existing pipelines, which currently are running below capacity. A win/win situation. Good job President Obama.
>>55391549
>The cost of refining it into gasolene is far too high.
This isn't even remotely true.
http://www.shell.ca/en/aboutshell/our-business-tpkg/upstream/oil-sands/scotford-upgrader.html
>A significant portion of Shell’s share of the synthetic crude produced at the Scotford Upgrader is sold to the adjacent Scotford Refinery and Shell's Sarnia Refinery in Ontario, where it is further processed into fuel products like gasoline.
Cracking: How heavy hydrocarbons are turned into lighter hydrocarbons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracking_(chemistry)
>>55389909
the issue with keystone was had it been approved it would have unsettled co2 that would otherwise stay preserved under the seabed and not released.
>>55389909
The exploading trains are coming from new oil development in the us that doesnt have pipes set up yet.
Keystone brings canadian oil across our country.
Canada has better railroad regulations then us anyways.
This comic makes no sense.
>>55391845
It is cheaper to use crude oil to make gasolene than tar, and requires subsidies to compete. Tar is best used to make tar, tar paper, asphalt, etc., not fuel.
>>55391677
>Which is precisely why the Keystone is unnecessary.
Says you. The company building the pipeline sees the benefits--shorter routes, larger volumes, specialized purpose--as having economics to justify the construction.
Are you running economics on using the existing infrastructure versus building the pipeline? No? You say you don't even have an inkling of how to do that kind of analysis?
I didn't think so.
Right now America is the only one with access to Canadian oil, and we're getting it at a great price because of that.
All the pipeline would have done is let them sell their oil overseas. That would have driven up our own prices.
And anyway, Canada is still free to build a pipeline across their OWN land, if they want to.
>>55391948
Due to the cost of extracting that oil (despite its high value) building a pipeline would to risky financially. Pipelines represent sunk capital, while railcars do not.
>>55392091
This also canada doesnt want to do that cause the liberals in the mountains told them to fuck off.
>>55390159
That's what Energy East and the reversal of Line 9 pipeline are for.
>>55391587
Another autist appears...
>>55392139
But without the pipeline they are not siphoning off the lightest and most explosive of the hydrocarbons. So the exploding trains which are not coming from Canada and have nothing to do with keystone.
So the comic makes no sense.
>>55389909
As someone who works primarily on temporary pipeline jobs (where you make the most money), fuck you Obama, and fuck you everyone who says "DURR NO PERMANENT JOBS".
>>55389909
Why, yes, the trains that carry that oil now and will continue to do so without Keystone XL are owned by Warren Buffet. Why do you ask?
idgaf. We need manufacturing jobs anyways. As long as the NDP doesn't go full Liz May it could actually work to our benefit. Lord knows this IT sector isn't feeding anyone except a handful of nerds.
>>55389909
The same retards that protest oil tanks on trains also protested Keystone and several natural gas pipelines in the area.
>>55392067
The Canucks do not want to pay American pipeline companies to use the existing network. We simply do not need more pipelines here, especially one dedicated to a very iffy economic model. The existing pipelines that can be used instead of Keystone are all under capacity. They can immediately ship the tar.
>>55392027
Subsidies aren't used for the refinement process, you pantload-spewing mong.
I just linked you to one example of a major oil company using well-established refinement processes to turn heavy Athabasca crude into gasoline and other lighter hydrocarbon products.
>>55392269
They dont spend alot on maintaining them. Hell they leak for a week before someone notices. California just had one go for more than a week till someone saw a beach covered in black leaking into the ocean.
It would be different with people who stood by the regulation right now oil companies just pay off the governors and shit to make sure they dot bother inspecting the pipes.
It would have produced jobs but not a great deal.
Also with the Saudis shitting on the price of oil do they even want to keep doing it?
>>55392406
This none of the pipes are full I think three come from Canada and they are never full. This pipeline is just a way around the us out to a larger market they will cause a rise in prices.
>>55392406
So iffy in fact that they went ahead and submitted it along with all the planning and reports required by the EPA.
Oh but you are an expert in oil pipelines I suppose.
Shill, are you paid by the post or by the hour?
>>55392430
>It would have produced jobs but not a great deal.
It matters a lot to temporary workers, from welders to biologsts to archaeologists to the actual construction workers. We all rely on these jobs because they bring in the most cash and last the longest. A massive pipeline job would give us tons of work for years, at probably the best rates possible with tons of overtime. Most temp workers who work pipelines do not want permanent jobs because you lose per diem and accommodation, and the perks of a permanent job do not make up for the freedom of working when/where you please.
>>55392410
There is a production plant in Arkansas that turns turkey guts into API Fuel Oil #2 that can then be refined, at a different facility, into gasolene, at a much higher price than refining it into diesel. Neither process runs at a profit.
You may have noticed that recently the U.S. has begun exporting diesel fuel and gasolene. Virtually all of these two fuels are illegal to use in the U.S. because of their low quality. This is being done because it costs to much to refine/treat them into a legitimate product.
>>55392406
>We simply do not need more pipelines here, especially one dedicated to a very iffy economic model.
Says you. The people choosing to finance the project, and the people choosing to allow construction on their land, disagree with you.
It isn't your prerogative to interfere with them.
>>55392575
No he's right, we already have a great system of pipelines.
Keystone is only an urgent matter because the Koch Brothers have a massive investment in some particular tar sand fields that would be serviced by it. And the GOP owes the Koch brothers a large one.
It's a dubious project pumping toxin-thinned sludge through the clean property of American citizens who don't want it and don't trust the dubious safety records of the people involved.
It provides almost no benefit whatsoever to the American people or the country, it's a moneymaking operation to move shit-tier Canadian oil to Louisiana to sell to China.
Hey
Mr. choo choo
>>55392575
You should check the analysis of that submission by Professor Kjell Aleklett of Uppsala U. in Sweden. One big problem is the amount of natural gas the Canucks are consuming to extract/process the tar sands. Currently it is using app. 6% of Canadas output of NG. Which is why the Canadian Parliament is going to resume its planning to build 20 nuclear reactors to replace NG for tar sands production in 2016.
>>55392898
We're not talking about turkey guts. We're talking about 7-9API crude. Can you provide evidence that the Shell Scotford Upgrader I linked in >>55391845 is unprofitable?
>keystone pipeline
>benefits america
what a meme
>>55393019
Specifically, the problem with the product intended to move through Keystone is the chemicals necessary to thin it so it will flow.
It's much worse than the actual pollution of the oil itself, and causes major problems in the case of cleanup, particularly if it gets into water.
>>55389909
why did that nigger come to oklahoma to convince people to vote and allow the portion to be built here, then renege on the whole deal?
>>55392510
The US used to get a cut out of all oil extracted from the Albertan oil sands since they were the ones refining the product. After the cancellation of Keystone XL, Trudeau greenlit a project to reverse the flow of existing trans-provincial pipelines, restart operations of Quebec refineries and fix up Montreal's oil export terminal. The result being that Canada East has ceased all African oil imports. It's not all bad.
>>55393019
Sure it is. Welcome to democracy. What a bitch huh?
>>55390315
>>55390502
That is domestically produced oil
>>55393144
>No he's right, we already have a great system of pipelines.
See >>55392067
> through the clean property of American citizens who don't want it
You do realize that people *choose* to allow construction on their own property, right?
>>55393297
it will always be unprofitable, assuming the refined products are identical, if it has to compete with crude oil. I am not sure which API Scale you are referring to, but none of them define any grade of crude as low 7-9.
>>55393325
>Specifically, the problem with the product intended to move through Keystone is the chemicals necessary to thin it so it will flow.
You do realize that equally toxic chemicals flow through the existing pipeline infrastructure in far greater volumes on a daily basis, right?
You've done nothing but drop pantload after steaming pantload in this thread. You are a complete mong.
>>55393325
Mostly they are using benzene because it is so toxic there is little demand for it and so it is cheap.The refinery in Texas extracts it and then pumps it back up to Canada. It would be interesting to know how much energy it takes to do that, and the source of that energy.
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>>55393325
Who do you think you are? Coming in here with your facts and logic.
>>55389995
Bill Gates is also the the largest shareholder in CN rail.. guess whos foundation also funds opposition pipelines because muh environment
>>55393564
So the answer is: "No, I have no such evidence. I'm over here spewing pantloads."
Got it.
>>55393359
>Sure it is. Welcome to democracy. What a bitch huh?
The US isn't a democracy, nor should it be. Welcome to Civics 101. And the pipeline issue wasn't put up for democratic vote; it was unilaterally struck down by the dictator in chief.
Drop some more pantloads, you wanker.
>>55393677
Assuming you can afford a car/qualify for a license, you are no doubt familiar with the smell of gasolene, right? Virtually all of that smell is benzene. Refineries make every effort to completely remove it from their gasolene, but cost limits the ability to extract all of it. They would if they could due to its toxicity. Few chemicals that are pumped through pipelines are as toxic as benzene.
>>55394022
And you haven't addressed my point that the existing pipeline infrastructure transports equally toxic chemicals in far greater volumes without environmental disaster.
"Muh toxic chemicals" is not a valid criticism of the Keystone pipeline.
Pure shill tactics: Deflect, derail, evade.
>>55393878
Fine, it is a constitutional, democratic, republic. Sorry I thought the short version was sufficient. And no, the president does not have the authority to arbitrarily shut down keystone. This was delegated to him by Congress, whose members were voted into office by the people, from whom Congress derives its powers. We have a government of, by, and for the People.
>>55394262
In the U.S.A most pipeline products are refined fuels, based on hydrocarbons. Gasolene, diesel, bunker fuels (ships), fuel oils (home heating, etc), jet fuels, etc. Also the crude oils on which these are based. I assume we can exclude coal slurry pipelines. Few really toxic chemical are shipped by pipeline because of a lack of volume. It is cheaper to ship them by truck and rail.
>>55389909
Why are you proud of the c u c king of our economy?
>>55393559
Actually if the project went though the government would have been forced to use imminent domain to get it done.
So, no people don't "choose" to allow construction on their own property for this project in particular.
>>55394290
>And no, the president does not have the authority to arbitrarily shut down keystone.
actually he does
>>55394677
Maybe in a declared emergency, but other than that he is executing laws passed by Congress. That is why he is the Chief Executive (get it?) Officer.
Yes yes good goyim, reject Canadian oil. They'll just send it to China, I'm sure they process it in the cleanest way :^)
>>55393812
COMMON FLAG
>>55394290
I pointed out that the issue wasn't put up for democratic vote--and that Obama unilaterally struck it down. This was to negate your mongish claim that interfering with Keystone was *your personal prerogative* in a supposedly "democratic" nation. Now you're going off on a totally unrelated tangent.
I'm genuinely curious. Are you aware of your mental retardation, or is it like you're living in blissful, invincible ignorance?
I like how Azerbaijan shows up in an oil thread and BTFOs anti-pipeline hippies.
>>55389909
Liberals are irrational, nothing new. Same reason they freak out about global warming and ignore nuclear because they are too scared of it.
Yet for some reason they also fought tooth and nail for Iraq to have it. A technology they don't even trust their own country to use, mankind's greatest superpower, yet they want the middle east to.
Liberalism is a disease of the mind
>>55394569
A spill from the Keystone pipeline wouldn't be subtstantively different than a spill from the existing pipeline infrastructure. "Muh chemikillz" is not a valid criticism of the Keystone pipeline.
>>55395096
That is true, it was not put up for direct vote of the People, although it could have been. That is what makes us a democracy. President Obama's authority in this matter was delegated to him by Congress (thus it is not 'unilateral' unless you are referring to the Canadian Parliament who of course have no say in the matter). The Keystone Proposal required eminent domain as part of the proposal, which is political on a national level, and thus it is in fact my place to 'interfere'.
Giving the right to Eminent Domain over U.S. citizens and their property to a foreign-owned, for-profit corporation is a Bad Idea.
>>55395744
I agree. Unless it was the benzene being pumped back up to Canada. Any idea what it costs in terms of energy to do that?
>>55391573
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>>55395241
>tfw keep saying that we could basically fix any energy problems and reduce carbon emissions by a fuckton by actually building some fucking reactors
>tfw liberals won't do it because HURRR DURRR MUH CHERNOBYL, even when new reactors are practically safer than anything else we currently use AND new generation reactors can actually reuse waste
>tfw oil kikes would probably also never EVER let nuclear take off because it would completely BTFO all the other kike resources, niggers control the uranium
>>55395811
Eminent domain isn't the reason that Leftists oppose the pipeline; they are not advocating that the market should be freer and that the state should have even less power in making decisions about the economy. They don't oppose eminent domain when it's used for their own projects, and they have no qualms about using government aegis to violate individual sovereignty in all areas of human action.
>>55395929
You can keep spewing this garbage all you want, but the impact and remediation are essentially the same for hydrocarbon pipeline spills. And earlier in the thread, you were advocating that Athabasca producers use the existing pipeline infrastructure; now you're arguing that it's "too risky" to ship the product by pipeline at all.
>>55391677
Make up your damned mind, you miserable shill.
>>55389909
So? If a single train crashes, the damage can be easily contained. If an oil pipe breaks, there is no way to stop it.
>>55390069
If transportation costs were cheaper, the tar sands projects could break even at lower prices. right now there is a ridiculous discount between Albertan oil and other benchmark crudes.
BTW, operating costs for the tar sands are fairly low compared to the one time capital costs. So existing projects can chug along fine, while proposed projects are shelved for the time being.
>>55392139
>Pipelines represent sunk capital, while railcars do not.
Railcars are free then?
>>55389909
OP they are trying to bring in sludge oil over one of the biggest aquifers in the midwest. If even 100 gallons gets spilled into the aquifer the result will be there forever.
>>55397386
Pipeline spill remediation is a pretty common thing, you compleat moron.
If Warren Buffet wants to kill a pipeline project, the pipeline project is dead. The sooner you accept we are ruled by billionaire oligarchs the sooner we can work on finding a solution to the problem.
Liberals were just useful idiots in this situation.
>>55389909
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
What could possibly go wrong?
>>55392269
Seriously. I guess ALL construction jobs are temporary then.
>>55397386
Hurr the pipeline is just one big continuous pipe without shutoff valves or any safety features at all
>>55397999
>the existing pipeline network doesn't already run over aquifers
You just regurgitate whatever the Leftist media tells you, don't you?
In related news, Trudeau's new Minister for the Environment and Climate Change has approved dumping 8 billion litres of raw sewage into the St Lawrence river. Does anyone else see the irony here?
>Because it's 2015
>>55390168
>i wanna use oil
>i never want to deal with oil
>It's cheaper to move crude half way across a continent by train to refine it than it is to just build a refinery in Canada
What a world.
The real reason behind Obama didnt cancel the pipeline when Harper was in office was because Harper threatened to build a pipeline through BC to supply China with oil.
However, Trudeau has said he is not doing it.
>>55398130
I acknowledge that the fucking infrastructure system already exists. What you don't understand is what they're considering building goes over the largest portion of the aquifer smack dab down the fucking middle and the material that they want to lace a new pipeline system with has been proven to fail in many situations. It's all due to how the pipe is manufactured.
I'm not against it, I literally work in the industry. The location of where they currently want to put the pipeline is wrong.
>>55398130
Also worry about your own damn country you Russian cunt. Your cities are sinking and your highway system is the most corrupted entity in Asia.
You know, when repubs and libertarians typically jerk off corporations, its usually because they're trying to promote capitalism and competition....
democrats are just straight corrupt niggers who are making forced monopolies and installing aristocratic corporatism.
>>55398624
Exactly. Also, doesn't Justin support Energy East? Either way, just wait a year, if a Republican gets in it will be built.
>>55393876
Bill Gates also funded Common Core. Hmmm.
>>55397999
a) There's dozens of other pipelines crossing the aquifer as in >>55391350
b) The Ogallala aquifer is covered by impermeable strata that oil (or rainwater for that matter) cannot penetrate
>>55398625
I'm pointing out that building a pipeline over an aquifer recharge zone isn't inherently harmful. We know this because the US has existing pipelines running over multiple aquifer recharge zones, and the world hasn't ended yet. I mean, look at the map. Those pipelines are running "smack dab through the middle" of many different aquifers.
>>55398130
The aquifer alarmism is a bullshit, Leftist talking point designed to inspire fear, uncertainty, and doubt. When considered logically and in the proper context, it carries no weight whatsoever.
>>55398718
At least Russia has no gays, though. :^)
But seriously, fuck America. If it wasn't for Jewgle, Jewbook and Twatter we wouldn't be in this mess.
>>55393812
i'd approve a RARE upgrade
>>55398794
Trudeau does support Energy East, but the Premier of Quebec has threatened to block it if he dosent get his deep water port.
>>55398198
this is an american board quebec speak american
>>55398287
refinery products don't keep long term, while crude will.
>>55398198
>meme mayor
>sjw premier
>>55397942
Railcars are easily moved from where they are no longer needed to where they are. Pipelines are not. If your pipeline is not where you need it you have very expensive scrap metal.
>>55394569
I like how your argument went from "what about the environment" to "what about profit margins" in the blink of a fucking eye wow you have no beliefs, no character, you just want something because someone you think you should support wants it, fucking useless.
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>>55390495
Should I start buying BRK-B stock, /pol/? Just looking at the stock charts, it looks like it went DOWN these past 2 weeks. Shouldn't it have gone up on the keystone news? What the fuck is going on?
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=BRK-B+Interactive#{%22showArea%22:false,%22showLine%22:false,%22showCandle%22:true,%22lineType%22:%22candle%22,%22range%22:%223mo%22,%22allowChartStacking%22:true}
This fucking comic pisses me off.
I live in SE South Dakota and I personally know 3 farmers who would have to have massive sections of their land all fucked up when/if the pipe like gets put in.
I don't care about your arguments on how, "The resources used to transport it would be eliminated!!". These are the same faggots who argue about why we haven't switched to wind and nuclear energy yet.
Str8 up kill yourself, f a m
>>55398130
so many maps forget the fucking U.P.
>>55399312
>speaks only one language
Seriously?
