Should facial surgery be illegal?
that's a trap from /soc/
>>55381111
No. Why would you want less QTs walking around?
Nah, because even good looking couples can make some really ugly fucking kids. On the other hand, if they made it illegal internationally, then South Koreans would go extinct, which would be okay with me.
>>55381111
No worse than makeup.
CHECK`EM
I think yes but that will never pass.
there needs to be a double picture passport. how you looked befor and after so if you marry one of those that your kids dont look degenerate.
>>55381195
Name?
Looks gorgeous now, I'd marry in a heartbeat.
No, but you should be obligated to tell your partner when reproducing. If you have a weak chin / kike nose and pass the features to your children, you need to afford the surgery for them. Can't blame them for becoming beta losers if they look hideous and worse than Elliot
>>55381295
>>55381111
Yes
but so should make-up, etc...
It's all a fucking one big cheat.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>55381295
of course the huemonkey asks for sauce on a tranny
>>55381349
>tfw even no-chins don't look at you
How is telling your partner going to change anything? "Abdul, before we make sex, I need to tell you that I used to have a crooked Jew nose." You think Abdul is just going to pull out and say "Well I guess you should go back on birth control because I don't want an ugly kid"?
>>55381206
Consider you have a child with one, and your offspring has some sort of a Gerard Depardieu instead of what is supposed to be a nose because you wife was butt-ulgy before plastic surgery, what then?
>>55381111
No? What if someone gets fucked up face in accident.
No, it's your own fault if you get tricked just like it's a woman's fault if she gets raped in Sweden.
>>55381111
no. with facial surgery one day in the future humanity will all be 10 out of 10's. ugly people will be able to go to get pretty same way they get new teeth nowadays
the only other way to achieve this would be through eugenics and we all know thats never going to happen
>>55381111
how do these traps afford plastic surgery and hormones? No joke some dude who used to be a highschool wrestler and went trans told me he moved to Portland, Oregon and had everything covered by the state.
I can't imagine how deeply steeped in cognitive dissonance they must be, to deny that they have a "mental illness", while getting free health care for a "condition"...
>>55381295
He/she also came on the gay general tinychat a few times, and I can assure you, you DON'T want to marry him/her
>>55381455
Change anything regarding what? If they pop up and Elliot there surely are going to be questions, even if it doesn't matter to them in the end. Also it necessarily doesn't affect the partnership, but the child surely is going to have one hell of a nasty childhood (since libshits don't care about school bullying, even if it's one of the biggest problems world wide. Most likely because they aren't outsiders in schools).
And besides... What is bad about "upgrading" oneself?
No but it should be mandatory that your face also has a signifying mark on it that shows that you've had facial reconstruction like a small tattoo so that people will instantly recognize you as a plastic subhuman so actual attractive people will be able to avoid having babies with you.
>>55381111
No. Aesthetics should be encouraged. That said, this person needs to look up before I can pass judgment. The look down, hide chin, put eyes into camera to visually enlarge look that every hoe on social media spots is deceptive.
>>55381111
No, but is misleading. Let's say a really ugly manlet got surgery to get a better looking face and limb lengthening surgery to make himself 6+ feet tall. women would want to reproduce with him to spread those genetic traits which actually don't even exist.
>>55381775
why not? explain
>>55381781
Change anything regarding your partner's decision to sire offspring with you. If you're at the point in a relationship where you're fucking to make babies, then you're obviously committed to a future with this ho and her suddenly telling you that she used to be ugly isn't going to magically change your mind. You're already in too deep, both literally and figuratively.
Imagine you got an email at work telling you that you were rejected from the last grad school you applied to, and the dipshit who is 5 years younger than you and works across from you not only got into that grad school, but your boss strolled in and gave him a raise. Then while walking home from the bus stop, you twist your ankle, a migrating goose shits on your head, and you step in a giant puddle of water.
You get home thinking your day couldn't get any worse, but then your wife cleans the goose shit off of you with a hot towel and stars caressing you and kissing your ears. Finally a moment of sunshine in this miserable day. She says she wants to have children and you agree and you're ready to fuck, but then she says "By the way, I used to be ugly." You think you're just gonna walk away and go play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and not finish fucking?
>>55381979
And then they will fix those defects too, if there is any to begin with. Can't understand this unwillingness to overcome nature and use it, instead old leaving it all to old processes..
>>55381208
I think you while plastic surgery should be encouraged, women should be obligated to fully disclose it before marrying. Otherwise, the husband should be able to sue if kids are ugly, like that one Chinese dude.
>>55382074
How is the husband going to know just how ugly the woman was though? What if she doesn't have any childhood pictures? What if she's Korean and got surgery at the age of 7, as is customary, and before she was old enough for anyone to pass serious judgement on her looks?
>>55381431
Who is this fucking guy?
>yes, 3 year newfag
>>55382166
Ainsley you fucking piece of shit. Go back to leddit, not even kidding.
>>55381775
explain, pls
yes, its false advertisement
>>55382208
Leddit? You mean Reddit?
I remember from somwhere, a south korean couple where the man sued his wife for giving him ugly children, it turned out that she had cosmetic surgery and lied about it.
>>55382284
Are Icelanders racist? I want to move to the high arctic and Iceland and Svalbard seem like the best bet, but I don't think I'd fit in at either of those places. Also has Sigur Ros ever made a good song apart from "Svefn-g-englar"?
>>55382345
I remember the Chinese one as pictured
to the left:
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>>55381111
honestly this surgery came out really great
I don't know but that pic would be a great pro argument.
>>55381516
Considering the face is like that from environmental reasons (hormones) and not from genetic reasons, I don't think that applies. You'd have to look at the nearest female relatives of that tranny, assuming the tranny could even have children (faulty premise).
God, /pol/ is hell after being in /lit/ and /sci/
>>55381111
Not if she broke her nose or something. If it's genetic then yes. Is there a way to differentiate the two? I broke my nose when I was like 5, and the doctors said it healed this way and they'd have to re-break it if I want it straightened.
>>55381267
I'd fuck the ever living shit out of that guy desu senpai
>>55382208
What an edgy little faggot.
>implying I've ever had time to browse the 4chan/redditt because I have a job and don't live in my moms basement eating Doritos and chugging Mountain Dew...
>>55382567
>6/10 girl in high school with a hook nose
>she complains about 'breathing / sinus problems'
>uses it as an excuse to get a nose job
desu she became a 8/10 with the new nose
>>55381111
Probably. Unless we can also alter genes in which case you're not deceiving people anymore.
>>55382723
This is why you're a piece of shit. You actually took offense to that post and took it literally. Anyone who knows the answer you seek is of course a basement dwelling NEET. How about you go choke on a back of dicks. You're welcome by the way, you stupid faggot.
>>55381267
You mean photoshop?
>>55381208
True. It's regression to the mean. Attractive people are exceptional, so their exceptionality will be less in their child. Same for ugly people. Their kids will be less exceptional, and therefore less ugly.
South Korea has 15 plastic surgeries per 1000 people, compared to 12 for USA and Brazil. However, the rate of invasive surgeries is 8/1000 for all of those countries, so no extinction is a vast overstatement.
>>55382791
We can. Thanks to crispr. We're only in the beginning stages, where we can treat diseases like Leukemia. However, changing traits for posterity should become real within the century.
>>55382043
>>55382247
Well, he's completely insane. He switched on his mic and started a monologue but nobody could even understand what he was going on about. If you told something, it took him around 20 seconds to understand you spoke to him, to process what you said and his only reaction to anything you could say was to laugh and continue his monologue. Then he switched on his webcam and started putting tampons in his asshole because he wanted to prove to us he was a girl. He went as far as cutting slightly his own anus to make it bleed so the tampons would be soaked in blood and pretend it was period blood.
>>55381111
if it is illegal trannies would have no purpose to live
>>55382883
Jesus christ. you must be joking?
>I DON'T LIKE IT
>MAKE IT ILLEGAL !
Isn't this liberal SJW mindset? Jesus
>>55382883
wa
>>55382795
>taking offense on from an Internet teen basement dweller
Yeah, ok. Stay assblsted you massive faggot.
>>55382883
what ?
>>55381111
if you need facial surgery (and not post-trauma reconstructive surgery), then you should also get snipped/have your tubes tied.
>>55382954
I'm not joking at all. To be honest, I think he has serious mental deficiencies, both regarding intelligence level and sanity, in addition to the trans thing. It was really sad to see someone in such state of distress, but then he started insulting people who were worried about him and told him to stop his madness, so he was banned from the chat.
>>55381111
see how dirty and messy the residence is?
that's how you know that person is stinky
>>55381111
>i don't like it so ban it
Fuck off
>>55382050
>You think you're just gonna walk away and go play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and not finish fucking?
Depends. As I said, if I can afford the surgery, not that much of a problem. But if not, I'd definitely think twice about it. The sex you're about to get was because of your plastic surgery, or at least it took an important part in the selection process. In other words, you wouldn't be there where you are right now without your surgery, or you wouldn't have done it in the first place I suppose. Now if your child can't have the same privilege, it would be kind of selfish just to reproduce without losing a thought about your childs future or childhood. Same goes for any family living in poverty, especially the ones popping out kids to increase their chances that one is going to be successful and basically their retirement plan. This is why a one child policy is long overdue in the third world. They literally use the children as resources and weapons.
>>55383116
>trannies in a nutshell
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1SDNpwSfSmG
>>55381111
poor Tyrone then
fixed
>>55383318
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1m7Fo771xGi
their** SHITLORD
>>55383365
what is this an image for hawks
If it makes people feel better about their appearance then I don't see the problem.
I do not support hormones or sex change, changing your "gender" is a big difference from adjusting your nose and Jawline.
>>55382883
I don't know what's worst, that story about how crazy that dude is, or the fact that even my baguette compatriotes from /pol/ are degenerate enough to get on the gay general on tinychat
>>55381111
Da fuq? I could be tempted to fuck the newer version
>>55383288
What if you're 34 and have never been in a relationship and your parents are in a nursing home and bitterly disappointed in having never had grandchildren and you meet a woman who is not only successful but even more beautiful than the women you see in movies and after 3 years together, she says she wants to have kids? What if she then reveals that she actually used to be ugly and her beauty that you hold in such high regard was simply bought? Would you just go home and play Ace Combat and call off the relationship and never have any kids?
I get what you're saying but I don't feel like it's applicable 100% of the time. Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet and when you're in the heat of the moment, a woman telling you that she used to be ugly isn't going to change the fact that you're looking at a beautiful specimen in front of your face and for once in your life, someone wants you as much as you want them.
>>55383365
>tranny is mentally ill
Who would have thought that.
>>55381111
Of course it should be
>>55383467
Look at it the other way, tell yourself french faggots are so based they post on /pol/ and not on /lgbt/
>>55381111
i'd make her with her
>>55381516
>Consider you have a child with one, and your offspring has some sort of a Gerard Depardieu
My sides
>>55381111
>that last picture.
Such a qt, kind of looks like Hayley Williams. Sweden, yes?
>>55381267
i don't understand how can people fooled by this
not in a sense that they can't tell whether or not that is a woman but rather how can they be attracted to that
i mean it looks nothing like real human face
>>55383535
But it's literally just lying in the end. You even lie to them (and yourself) just when they look at you, but obviously it's far more acceptable than when you actually reproduce with them. The only reason why people would not instantly abort the relationship is because they're overwhelmed by the fact that the person they see infront of them actually doesn't exist, and all the effort towards the relationship would go to waste. Not to mention that everything is highly emotional and stuff. Of course it's a valid argument to say what does it matter when a little nose fix is a win/win situation, but when it comes to reproducing it's another situation. It could all come down to where you want to draw the line. Or would you be okay when your qt aryan wife would tell you before sex that she's actually genetically skin color changed aboriginal? And yes it would affect your child.
>>55382557
Sorry we're not as elegant as /lit/
>>55381111
>Should things that people do that make them happier that have no impact on me personally whatsoever be illegal?
I bet you're a chore to be around in real life.
>>55384206
It should be a shock and maybe a bit off-putting, but I don't think my dick would instantly shut off and that I would just go play Luigi's Mansion. Sure I would feel a little deceived but you're asking me to consciously consider that the beautiful woman in front of my used to be ugly. All I know is what my eyes see and a woman asking me to consider otherwise isn't gonna change that.
Plus genetics are extremely complicated. Just because a woman says that she used to be a no-chin, doesn't necessarily mean that your kids are going to be no-chins. Of course children tend to take after their parents but there are so many factors like gene linkage, co-dominance, and bunch of other shit that I learned 6 years ago but can't recall that could affect how your children end up looking.
>>55382883
>>55382723
get the fuck out
>>55384349
Dude, that's the entire motto of the internet, we'd have literally 10% of the content if we didn't worry about things that have no actual impact on us lol.
>>55383116
>serious mental deficiencies, both regarding intelligence level and sanity, in addition to the trans thing
find me a tranny without a bunch of mental issues and i'll climb everest
>>55382723
Just get out.
>>55384754
>find me a tranny without a bunch of mental issues
Trannies by definition already have at least one glaring mental issue, so that's a silly statement. Why don't you just climb Everest anyway? I'm probably gonna go climb Barbeau Peak. You're welcome to join.
>>55384415
> All I know is what my eyes see and a woman asking me to consider otherwise isn't gonna change that.
Exactly what I'm saying. The thing is, what you see, is basically an optical illusion. It's a lie, not the real thing. Now it probably doesn't affect you directly (unless you have children), but morally it's still wrong in my opinion, to some degree. Or at least not to tell your partner at some point.
And trust me, facial genetic determination has a lot to do with the parents.
>>55384849
A tranny without a mental illness then, would not stick out and you wouldn't be able to radar them. All visible trannies are mentally ill, since that is your definition
>>55381111
Are you a SJW anon? Does it trigger you that a woman is getting facial surgery to look attractive and that ultimately this is a form of subconscious oppression by the male patriarchy?
>>55381111
She (?) looked like Xiao Kahn from the second Mortal Kombat movie
>>55384849
pay for my ticket over there and a good pair of boots and i'll provide you with sick bantz for the duration of our travels
>>55382345
That was actually a made up story to my surprise.
>>55384885
>but morally it's still wrong in my opinion, to some degree
I can agree with that. I still feel like it's a bit of a strange thing to bring up, especially when you're discussing moving forward and having kids over a candlelit dinner with some fine wine and cheese. I'd probably consider the fact that I just deposited my seed in a formerly ugly wench well after the fact when I was playing Tetris before bedtime, not before when I'm too distracted by lust.
>>55382883
I like that type. Would casually fuck.
>>55381696
>cognitive dissonance
4chan's favorite term is uses as often as it can like a child that just learned a new word
>>55385188
Hey man you gotta practice new vocabulary words any chance you can. Use it or lose it.
>>55385188
but it's completely relevant and fair in its usage.
and you're probably one of these retards who scream CVUK CVCK CVCK whenever you see something you don't like.
eat shit and die you contrarian sperg faggot
>>55385188
Cognitive dissonance is an actual scientific concept, there is nothing wrong with using it, especially when it's used to describe exactly what it's supposed to describe.
>>55385054
Well yeah, the timing is key. Morally beneficial would be before the decision to have kids.
Damn I would fuck her so hard yunmyyy
>>55381111
Yes, it should.
There is only one God and his prophet is Mike Mew.
I wanna see the shemale put tampons in his cut ass, vid pl0x?
>>55385363
kill yourself you trendy faggot
>>55385550
I know what it is. But 4chans overuse of it has turned it into a meme
>>55381111
Nudes when?
>>55382918
Damn, that fucker was handsome, and now he's beautiful. what a world.
>>55383116
was this recorded?
>>55381111
Yes, undoubtedly, fuck tranny scum
>>55381111
Nice trips.
But facial surgery is necessary to our veterans and people who get debilitating diseases that collapse their entire face onto itself. We have the tech to reconstruct shit that is broken, so i see no problem in fixing it.
Commercializing it is just inevitable with any sort of cure that has wider applications, just like steroids and hormone theraphy
It's rape cause you don't know the person your are mating with.
>>55383365
b-but it's 2015
>>55387920
Da fuck Spain?
Is your economy so fucked up that you're starting to say shit?
Seems like you need refugees
Was that supposed to be an improvement?
>>55382883
:/
what a waste
so beautiful, i think i'm in love
>>55381111
Yes, barring injuries.
Makeup should be outlawed too. These things make for progressively uglier and *unhealthier offspring.
*Health being related to beauty.
>>55381111
yes
>>55381111
when it makes ugly people less of an eyesore, I think it should be made mandatory
>>55381111
its cheating evolution and nature
>>55383535
I hope your butt-ugly kids beat you to death as revenge.
>>55382955
>promotes degeneracy
>make it illegal
This is the Fascist mindset
I have no problem with it. It makes people who are uglier much nicer to look at, and in the long run, if it means the ugly genes still get passed on, who cares? You can just go through surgery for the child too. Being ugly isn't really a trait that prevents you from surviving or passing on your genes.
>>55389920
this
If someone has a car with busted tail lights and lots of rust, it's in everyone's best interest for that person to fix up their shitty car before driving it around in public. Upon selling the car however, the buyer needs to know of the vehicles history.
Surgery for ugly people should be enforced -- less of an eye-sore for others and more self-esteem for the ugly (and hence a more mentally stable individual). However, that information should be made clear to any potential partner if a child is to be had.
As for intelligence, that can't really be surgically altered -- a 10/10 with an IQ of 85 is not a worthy breeding partner -- a kid with an IQ lower than 100 is pretty much a nigger. The white race is failing because intelligent people are not having kids, rather being self-serving narcissists that have lost touch with their culture. Family dynamics in the West are getting fucked, loyalty and respect of ones elders is going into the gutter. Social cohesion has been lost -- self respect has been lost.
>>55383467
from what i've heard the gay general on /lgbt/ is just /pol/ with (more) fags
they've got to be where all the /polgbt/ shit comes from
