>Prove that Santa is real.
>PROVE THAT HE ISN'T!!!!
Why do we argue with these people again?
>>55377241
Well there is no proof that he isn't real :^)
how degenerate do you have to be to not believe in santa
>>55377314
>Prove that the holocaust was real
>PROVE THAT IT WASN'T
>>55377241
Santa is the Spirit of Giving.
So basically, if you don't believe in Santa, you might be a Rothchild
>the giant squid is a being of fairy tales and there is no chance of it being real
>>55377324
dropping a word on this. only liberal scum wouldn't believe in santa
>>55377241
because we are shitposting on 4chan instead of preparning for the midterm tests?
Saint Nicholas was a real person, look in the history books
>>55377446
I'm actually watching these for my physics class, dude is better teacher than all of mine combined:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ilectureonline/playlists
>>55377445
and paypal
https://youtu.be/7AU9ebcdUEU
>why do we argue with these people again?
I dunno, maybe you're a masochist that likes being BTFO
>>55377241
You can prove is Santa is real by going to North Pole.
>>55377241
I've met Santa, so I am assuref he's real.
>>55377241
Ever since I moved out of my mom's basement, Santa hasn't been by once...
He's real, isn't he guys?
Isn't he?
;_;
If Santa isn't real then who the fuck has been putting presents under the Christmas tree?
>>55377555
Jesus, obviously...
sheesh
>>55377494
Don't miss out on the Mechanical Universe!
>dat curly Leibnitz hair...
https://youtu.be/_ndaBQUFTLs?list=PLXkJSMXGXAwXp2PFB62fqF-1SO0rrL_eZ
>>55377527
>not having elfs making your presents (Chinks dont count)
>not having flying reindeers
that man is an impostor
>>55377580
Thx thats pretty cool.
Also Sagan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JHEqBLG650
>>55377620
yea right. Santa would just wiggle his nose and wink an eye and vanish. Santas only making them think they got him. He's planning to escape on live TV to spread christmas cheer.
>>55377241
There's ton of theists who make arguments for God's existence, but you guys just focus on the dumbasses who shift the burden of proof.
>>55377241
santa is one of the coolest people ever. how miserable must you be to insist he isn't real?
>>55377801
if brain no real than how we no trust brain thoughts?
>Oh boy it's Christmas! I can't wait to see what Santa brought!
>SANTA ISN'T REAL YOU RETARD LOL FUCKING IDIOT
The kid in this situation will continue to believe in Santa. The other guy makes an ass of himself because he's too autistic to realize that believing in Santa makes the kid happy.
>I know that my son is with Jesus now
>LOL FUCKING FAGGOT GOD IS FAKE LOOK AT THE SCIENCE YOU RETARD
The atheist in this situation does nothing to change anyone's mind, and makes an ass of himself because he's too autistic to realize that believing in God makes the parent feel better.
Why do atheists insist on arguing against Christianity? It's fuckin dumb, they're not going to change their minds.
>>55377241
Hi :^)
>>55377936
>Why do atheists insist on arguing against Christianity?
Because having faith that 2000 year old jewish myths are real is retarded.
>>55377801
His argument is the same fallacy we hear every time:
>nature is too complex to happen by chance
>(lets ignore no one said it happened by chance)
>Banana is curved because God design it
>even if we can observe evolution and even observe how can we make whole species to adapt better to our needs (dogs, cats, cows etc.) its still so unbelievable that this could happen in nature during millions of years
>>55377801
> Mah brain don't work!
What an eloquent argument.
>>55377801
Jesus that's the most retarded reasoning I've ever read. Holy shit its like hes Will Smith's kid.
>>55378000
Fuck off the proxy faggot you're ruining the rare flags.
>>55378132
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain
>>55377801
why do theists constantly claim that atheists think everything is LE RANDUMB ACCIDENT OF THE UNVERSE
there are obviously rules by which matter behaves inside this universe, and we are also part of that matter
>>55378115
He is essentially also attacking logic itself. "Don't trust that logic, kiddos, instead, trust me!"
Attack the very thing that can dismantle Christianity by implying all these things about "atheistic thought" like the whole "random" thing.
>>55378199
to generate strawman arguments to attack
>>55378172
Our brain didn't exist by "chance". It took millions of years of evolution to turn it out like this. Parrots are smarter than cockroaches, thats not "random" either.
Christfags ignore this every time. Complex life forms all developed from simpler ones, complex functions like our eyes all developed from simpler ones etc.
Its not "random" at all.
>>55377801
Random doesn't describe the results of evolution. Your brain didn't assemble itself randomly, your DNA has been trying random designs for the past 3.8 billion years and has tried almost as many designs to get to the trillions of designs DNA has now, you are one of them. It was driven by selection pressures in the environment, not exactly random.
>prove that santa's real
When you lay cookies and milk out by the chimney AND have been a good boy or girl all year you get presents on Christmas
Checkmate
>>55378115
>>55378132
>>55378213
basically he's using logic to prove to you that logic shouldn't be trusted
>>55378274
Did you even read the wiki page?
>A Boltzmann brain is a hypothesized self aware entity which arises due to random fluctuations out of a state of chaos. The idea is named for the physicist Ludwig Boltzmann (1844–1906), who advanced an idea that the Universe is observed to be in a highly improbable non-equilibrium state because only when such states randomly occur can brains exist to be aware of the Universe. The term for this idea was then coined in 2004 by Andreas Albrecht and Lorenzo Sorbo.[1]
How do you know you aren't a Boltzmann brain with false memories and sensory input?
Protip: you don't, that's the point.
>>55378336
haha yeah, exactly
>>55378340
oh please, we can be inside cthulhus belly right now. we can conjecture like this forever. it's meaningless
>>55377241
ROFL! Well said, my good sir! Take THAT, religion!
*holds up spork*
*upvotes*
>>55377241
we know who isn't getting presents for christmas this year ;)
>>55378435
>>A Boltzmann brain is a hypothesized self aware entity which arises due to random fluctuations out of a state of chaos.
>random fluctuations out of a state of chaos.
>random fluctuations
>random
>>55378340
Because my brain is biologically same as any other human brain. So the chance of it being a random entity is very little.
By the same logic I can never know if anything is real, because quantum status in theory could arrange themselves in a certain way.
But this argument ignores that nature isnt random and its still governed by natural laws.
>>55377241
Because you're afraid you're wrong.
With good reason.
>>55378471
Evolution isn't random you fucking moron.
>>55377498
>>55378471
not random friend
>>55378494
Probably more because you guys actually exist and we're used to being overly nice to your ridiculous death cult followers.
>>55378494
But that doesn't make sense. In fact knowing God is real would be pretty comforting for everyone.
There is very little chance however that either the Christian God is real and the Bible is wrong. The Bible can't be right because of science.
Enjoy your coal, Grinches
I've always had a pet theory that gods are powered by worship and Santa is a reasonably powerful deity.
>>55378492
>Because my brain is biologically same as any other human brain
Or so your sensory input tells you, which may also be merely a result of random fluctuations in the quantum foam of the universe if you were just a Boltzmann brain. You'd also have false delusions of living your life as you know it.
>>55377801
>how can we think if our brains aren't real?
>>55378510
>>55378549
The wikipedia article directly contradicts you both.
>>55378578
and none of that would prove jeebus even if it was a good argument (it isnt)
>>55378625
If you aren't real then neither is Jesus
>>55378619
No it doesn't. There are random mutations within evolution, but it is not driven by randomness.
>>55378652
A boltzmann brain evolves out of randomness. Deal with it.
Santa doesn't exist, but Sinterklaas does exist. Here he is in my backyard, giving me presents because I've been a good goy all year.
>>55378690
The human brain did not evolve by random processes, evolution is not random.
I'm gonna lay this down on you faggots even though I know you're just trolling.
It doesn't matter if Santa is objectively real. Millions of kids get a visit from "Santa" every year, receive presents, and believe in Santa. They believe that if they are good then Santa will continue to be good to them.
So why does it matter whether Santa is real or not? What's wrong with being rewarded for being a good kid?
Similarly, who cares if Slenderman is not real when there are people trying to kill other people in his name? The effect is more or less the same regardless of empirical verification.
>>55378561
Death cult?
You're dead right now, and you're lecturing someone who has gained eternal life about death cults.
kek
>>55378675
Seriously though, if you were a Boltzmann brain then the entire concept of Jesus is merely a figment of your delusions, because it means all of earth and humanity is also a a figment of your delusions.
>>55378691
Holy shit, Afrikaner Santa has nigger slaves?!
>>55378708
Human brains are not the only end result of evolution.
>>55378563
Knowing God is real, and that you're His enemy, is not "pretty comforting".
It's "pretty terrifying".
>>55378578
"DUDE WHAT IF WE'RE LIKE ALL JUST RANDOM MINDS FLOATING AROUND IN THE UNIVERSE AND THIS IS ALL JUST AN ILLUSION"
"WOAH BRAH! YOU'RE BLOWING MY MIND RIGHT NOW!"
*coughs*
*passes the blunt*
*adjusts his dreadlocks hairdo*
>>55378723
It doesn't matter if Santa is fake, if very much does matter if the christian god is fake. which he is.
>>55378747
Enormous, and incredibly bizarre, "if".
>>55378747
ok, it's an entertaining conjecture but it doesn't really get us anywhere. we might as well believe that i am the only one that exists and i created you all with my mind
>>55378774
I've never smoked marijuana in my life, and this is a major concept in quantum physics, dumbass. It's called entropy. It means that given enough time, most things possible will happen.
>>55377936
Atheists usually don't argue against Christianity, they argue against assumptions that, usually, are heavily promoted by southern Genesis Literalists, like young-earth theory and evolution denial.
Notwithstanding fat fucks in fedoras who seem to be personally offended when people believe in God.
>>55378746
oh brother...
we've got a true believer here folks
>>55378786
>which He is not.
That should have ended your post there, friendo.
>>55378691
>>55378762
Nigras and their white slaves throw a tantrum every year over it.
>>55378746
But in reality, you're the one who worships an ancient death cult, and we're both alive for the time being.
>>55378766
Yes, none of those other results of evolution are random either.
>>55378825
The irony was too much. A literal dead man in a death cult headed towards the second death lecturing me about the value of life.
>>55378819
oh please, i debate catholics and the best answers they have is ultimately "its a mystery"
catehism isn't science
>>55377241
He is real in their hearts and minds and will definitely fulfill all their hopes and prayers and thats all that is important, anon. Facts or the lack thereof is unimportant and you are wasting your time pretending they are.
>>55377241
No, he is real. I met him. He talked to me and told me gays are bad.
>>55378855
In reality, while we are both eternal, our choices in eternal destinations could not be more disparate.
Jesus said He didn't come to condemn the world, but to give us life, and life eternal.
The world doesn't need any condemnation.
It's already damned.
>>55378807
I know what entropy is.
I still don't get how you could prove or disprove your floating space brain theory
>>55378837
>>55378855
>Yes, none of those other results of evolution are random either.
Yes they are, you're simply in denial about it.
>>55378864
a literal dead man...
hey, zombie here! i wanna eat ur brainz
>>55378807
That's not what entropy means, you fucking moron.
>quantum physics
Double moron.
>>55378915
The empty tomb. Read "Who Moved The Stone?" for a book full of evidence.
You know, for yourself.
>>55378906
Yeah anon, those are the beliefs of your death cult. I believe that it's more likely that your answer as to what happens at death is no more true than anyone else's made up guesses. Therefore, you're worshipping a death cult and I'm not.
>>55378920
Dead. Spiritually dead. No Spirit of Life in you, whatsoever.
Not "zombie"; those are fictional characters in kid's stories.
Maybe it's time to grow up.
>>55378975
"I have come to bring you Life, and Life more abundantly."
--Jesus of Nazareth
>>55378949
who moved the stone
it was superman!
>>55379015
Time to grow up kid. You won't be 12 forever.
if Santa isn't real who leaves me presents every Christmas?
>>55378981
>time to grow up
hahaha
>>55377398
This.
/thread
sage
>>55378917
If you throw a million different marbles on the ground and then pick your favorite thousand, are the 1000 you grabbed a random sampling?
>>55378949
You know that books that people wrote aren't proof of anything right?
>>55378769
I'm not God's enemy by being rational. And if God is real and he is against rational people then he can go fuck himself. But what can I say about a supposed God who has "plans" so he gives cancer to little girls? I guess maybe he is just an idiot.
>>55377241
Coalfag detected. Enjoy the naughty list
>>55379007
And that "life more abundantly" begins at death, because you worship a death cult.
>>55379092
but cancer teaches us about how great life is!
>>55379114
they aren't "of this world"
literally not a part of reality, lol.
>>55379061
You know that posting random thoughts on the internet won't magically impute any knowledge into your head, right?
You asked for evidence that Jesus is God, and real. You were directed to a book (the bible) and another book (Who Moved The Stone?).
What you do with information you ask for is on you.
>>55379092
You were born God's enemy, a child of satan and of this world, and you have not yet switched allegiances.
So yes, having God as your enemy should terrify you.
>>55377241
Why do you argue with them too?
>>55379061
>If you throw a million different marbles on the ground and then pick your favorite thousand, are the 1000 you grabbed a random sampling
I think what he means is that the laws of nature are random in and of themselves so the whole natural selection could still kinda be considered random on some grand scale
at least, I hope that's what he means
>>55379190
I've read the bible. It's obviously a made up story written by ancient people to explain things they did not yet understand. A lot of it is just recycled from older myths, it's obvious bullshit, magic isn't real, I live in reality.
>>55379114
I'm enjoying life more abundantly right now.
I have the living God as my constant companion, right now.
I see signs and wonders and miracles, every day.
So no, it doesn't "begin at death", unless you refer to the conversion process as a death (which it is).
>>55379190
lol, the exodus with moses didn't even happen
there isn't even evidence abraham existed
>>55379159
That's correct. In the world, but not of the world.
Friendship with this broken and corrupt and evil world is enmity with God.
>>55379214
So if a Christian scientist finds something which directly contradicts the Bible, is he God's enemy suddenly?
You see no matter how you think of this in the end your logic fails spectacularly.
>>55379267
You have not read the bible.
You lie, because your spiritual father is the father of lies, and you do his work.
>>55379279
Of course it happened, and all of Abraham's descendants are evidence of his existence.
The world did not begin with you hitting puberty.
>>55379270
It's funny because when I broke free of Christianity, I felt more of a rush of freedom and happiness than I had ever felt before. I truly felt more alive. I still think about it and it makes me smile.
>>55379299
i'm sorry that you feel the world is such a disgusting place that you would shun it.
Christianity is an anti-life philosophy. It hates life so much it can't wait for it to end.
>>55379337
I was raised christian and was christian until the age of 15. I've read much of the bible.
>>55379214
>You were born God's enemy, a child of satan and of this world
god makes little satan children so that he could fight them and convert those who surrender?
why doesn't he just make little god children who are loving and kind?
what kind of a weird sadistic kick does he get from torturing his own creations?
>>55379305
If any Christian finds something he thinks contradicts the bible, he has very good reason to believe he is wrong. He can then go about either dismissing the lie, or discovering the truth. Either one.
Nothing contradicts the bible that is true, and anything that purports to contradict the bible is false.
>>55379222
>if you don't believe in Santa, you're a degenerate
>if you don't believe in Santa, we'll burn you
>if you don't believe in Santa, you're serving Satan
>if you don't believe in Santa, you're a bad person
Besides fun, there are shit ton of reasons why it is important or it has been important historically.
I could extend the same argument to Islam. If you don't believe in Allah, then you're a degenerate and ISIS will kill you. It's literally the same argument, there is no difference.
Because both sides are funny when they are mad.
and because coming up with new things to argue about is a pain.
>>55379384
Yes, temporary reward from satan, and your efforts to "try to be good" were exhausting you.
You were never a christian, so you never left Christianity (as such a thing is impossible).
>>55379384
Yea, I was a true believer like this guy (although, i spoke patiently with non believers unlike him) and once I escaped the religion I felt better overall.
Religion dulls the mind and the heart. it's true.
>>55379420
Galilei was a Christian and so was Newton. So was Kepler, and so was Copernicus. They all found things which contradicts the Bible.
Were they wrong?
>>55379402
I'm sorry you can't see the world for how it is. Broken, cursed, corrupted, and full of evil.
I guess you enjoy that milieu. I do not.
>>55379412
Again, nobody is "raised christian". Retarded thoughts like that come from bizarre doctrine that someone else's transformation can rub off onto you.
It can't.
>>55379488
I am sorry to hear that you feel that way about your brothers and sisters.
>>55379413
God made two people, and they joined satan's rebellion.
Perhaps you've heard of them.
You descend from them, and inherited their rebellion.
>>55379460
Saying that any feelings of joy or pleasure outside of Christianity's rules are the work of a tricky eternal torture demon is a built in positive punishment to a philosophy. It's pretty brilliant actually. Makes you pretty crazy for not realizing it though. Seriously though, try breaking out of christianity, it's truly an amazing feeling.
>>55377241
why would we give presents if santa wasn't real
you wouldn't just give presents if he wasn't
>>55379513
>nobody is "raised christian"
This is what retards actually believe.
>>55379472
None of them did, actually, nor do you have any idea whether they were born again or not.
>>55379522
My brothers and sisters are fine. Their eternal salvation is assured.
It's the rest of you that need a good kick in the pants.
>>55379472
Newton was against most churches back then. He wasn't the typical believer. He probably knew more about the Bible than the Pope at that time since he studied the Bible for 40 years.
>>55379546
There is no out.
There is permanent transformation, and an indwelling in Joy.
What you think of as joy is mere happiness that is circumstantial.
>>55379585
I think someone should give you a good shake and force you to look around the room.
>>55379513
No, I was a christian for as long as I remember until 15. It's not that they wanted me to be christian and I didn't, I liked being a chrisitan and took it seirously. I eventually realized I was in a death cult and if I was wrong about my beliefs, I would be devoting my life to slavery by the words of an ancient desert cult rather than finding the meaning of life somewhere else.
>>55379556
Retards believe God has grandchildren.
He does not.
>>55379532
I thought you said that someone else's transformation can't rub off onto their descendants
that would mean that adam and eve were made inherently flawed by god, which,again, begs the question: why would he make faulty weak-willed creatures who are so easily swayed by the devil?
>>55379631
I'd like to see one of you try that.
>>55379629
No man like I was a true christian and now I'm not.
>>55379636
I was a true believer for years so I can relate with you. The study of Christianity is what got me to leave Christianity.
>>55379561
Educate yourself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism
>>55379636
I'm sorry, caterpillar, but you were never a butterfly.
(that's how obvious it is to me that you were never a christian)
>>55379668
>internet threats to defend his death cult
>>55379689
Considering that I haven't been a christian for 9 years, I don't think I'd seem like a christian now.
>>55379712
which isn't a Christian thing to do in the first place
>>55379586
Newton actually said the Bible was wrong, and that Christian teachings should be delivered like how they were delivered by Jesus instead.
>>55379653
They were made good in God's eyes.
Then Eve was deceived.
Then Adam sinned.
Then they lost the Holy Spirit of God living in them, and could only reproduce children in their own spiritually dead image.
"The day you eat of this fruit, surely you will die."
--God
>>55379669
Yes, little caterpillar, you truly thought you were once a butterfly.
You never were a butterfly.
You don't know how to become a butterfly. Or a Christian.
>>55378786
Why does it matter anymore than Santa or Slenderman? The effect is more or less the same here on Earth.
>>55379680
I'm not a Catholic, so their sun worshiping founder Constantine means nothing to me.
>>55379795
After 40 years of study, I would be willing to accept that he knows what he's talking about.
delivered by Jesus instead? not sure what that means
>>55379747
Yes, because you were never taught what a Christian is.
You were taught what someone thinks a Christian does.
It should be (but isn't) obvious to you that because you don't know how to become a Christian, that you were never a Christian to begin with.
>>55379795
Citation for Newton saying the bible was wrong please.
(You know Sir Isaac Newton isn't Thomas Jefferson, yes?)
>>55379952
He meant that Christianity shouldn't be based on popular consensus. And the books of the Bible were selected based on popular consensus.
He also said th Bible is not a book of fundamental articles but rather interpretations. Which exactly means what I mean i.e. the BIble is not the word of God.
Any smart Christian could realize this and move on with his life rather than trying to disprove everything else which might contradict the Bible.
>>55379915
People base their entire lives around god, let it affect their culture and their political choices as well as their perceptions and interactions with other cultures. Its existence is of massive consequence. Everyone I know stopped believing in Santa in 2nd grade and slenderman is an internet meme
>>55377241
>Using Santa as an example
We can prove with imperial data and testing that Santa does in fact not exist.
We can do the same thing with any and every religion kown to man
There is no "you can't prove there isn't" I can and have just like I did with Santa, the Easter bunny, and Davey jones
>>55379863
>god is omnipotent, omnipresent
>he makes people who are vulnerable to deception and sin
>he acts like a dick when they do sin
do you understand how this would be absoulutely moronic behaviour for a being of literally unlimited power and wisdom
face it dude. the old testament is a collection of children's stories.
"don't eat the apples or the boogeyman is gonna get you"
>>55380079
The books of the bible were not picked.
They are the only Holy Spirit inspired books in existence.
>>55380079
I see, but they are words that serve some purpose in the end? Like practical guide? In the same sort of way taoism gives practical guides?
>>55380151
First, you create a better universe and populate it with free will moral agents.
Then we can compare your universe with God's, and see who knows what they're doing.
>>55380160
You seem to know very little despite being a Christian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon
>>55377936
>Why do atheists insist on arguing against Christianity?
Perhaps it has to do with all of the lobbying & societal engineering Christians/Catholics/Religions do.
>>55380236
I'll take the truth, and leave you with the wiki.
Maybe you should learn that putting books into canons doesn't create the books, only the canons.
In fact, it doesn't change the books at all. (even if wiki says it does)
>>55380163
He simply said what matters is what Jesus said, not what we know about it in a 1000 years later.
Don't forget that several books were trashed from the Bible during the years because of contradicitons.
>>55380160
was literally chosen by popular vote and everyone else was kicked to the curb
saint nick even punched someone out for merely disagreeing with his taste in literature
>>55380199
Ah, the classic "lets see you do better, then" argument. Never thought I'd see that come up in a theology discussion. First time for everything, I guess.
>>55380305
Canons.
Not books.
Maybe learn the difference.
Here's a tip: different churches have different canons.
>>55377936
>believing in Santa makes the kid happy
>believing in God makes the parent feel better
So why the fuck is everybody against Tumblrtards again?
>Believing their bullshit makes them happy
>>55377241
The bigger question: Is Santa Jewish?
>>55380331
If you can't do better, maybe shut your mouth next time.
>>55380302
I see. Paul isn't exactly trustworthy imo.
>>55380280
Doesn't matter, the books still were picked by humans, and picked based on popular consensum of the time.
You can never be sure if something important wasn't left out. Many of the books in the Bible today werent part of it 1000 years ago.
There is no "truth" here, only what you were taught. 500 years ago you might have been taught a different version, 1000 years ago another version and so on.
>>55380379
Paul is 100%.
If you're not 100% with Paul, find out where you differ, and learn something from Paul.
I guarantee you Paul's right, and you're wrong.
I guarantee you.
>>55380352
i know what a canon is thanks
>>55380376
Thanks for the chuckle, matey.
>>55380388
No, they were written by humans under the direct inspiration of the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, which is why they're about 30% prophetic in nature, to prove to you that they weren't just "written by humans".
>>55380352
That's factually wrong m8.
>>55380451
You hide that knowledge well.
>>55380453
You're quite welcome.
>>55380199
well first of all, if I wanted to create a species of creatures who are obedient to me, I wouldn't give them free will. that just seems like an no-brainer
and then I'd just have a race of slaves who would do whatever I tell them to do
though, I might give some of them free will and just watch them go crazy trying to figure out the world around them for fun
but if I did that, I wouldn't expect the ones with free will to obey my every command because that's not what I designed them for
>>55380463
Again, your posts are meaningless without at least two follow up posts.
>>55380458
No one said about anything about the writings itself. The topic is the human decision that what should and shouldn't be in the Bible.
God did not decide what is in the Bible TODAY even if you do believe the books were written by people who talked to God.
>>55380479
There's where you and God differ. He did not make humanity obedient to Him.
He made us free will moral agents with the power to not be obedient to Him.
Maybe it's time you start wondering why.
>>55380478
oh ho this guy
>>55377461
>Saint Nicholas was a real person, look in the history books
So this means he also has a magical flying sleigh driven by reindeer, that covers all of the earth's populated landmass in less than 12 hours, yes? With time enough for him to stop at each house & stuff his fat ass?
>>55380521
Again, it wasn't a human decision.
All Holy Spirit books in.
All others out.
Inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, compiled by the Holy Spirit of God, maintained by the Holy Spirit of God, explained by the Holy Spirit of God.
You need to meet Him.
>>55380501
Follow up post about what? Read the wiki article which explicitly mentions how the Christian canon changed during the years by trashing and including new and old books into the canon.
Books were trashed/included based on popular consensum of the time.
Whats there to argue about this?
>>55380530
why did he punish adam and eve for disobeying him?
why do you go to hell if you don't behave the way god wants you to behave?
>>55380552
Do you think it does?
>>55380571
>All Holy Spirit books in.
>All others out.
Humans decided what constitutes as "Holy Spirit books" based on consensus. Dont be an idiot please.
>>55380577
Which is what I said. Human canons, that are different, that change.
The books don't change. And the only truncation allegation is that Mark should be truncated.
>>55380552
No, he has a legion of hulpsinterklazen and zwarte pieten that help him.
>>55377241
I don't know, maxists are fucking retarded.
>>55380552
duh, if he was a historic person then the magic that comes with it is also real.
Why would people lie and make that up? Come on man, use your brain
>>55377241
>presents under the tree
mfw we have more proof for the existence of Santa than God
>>55380586
Adam: kicked out of the Garden of Eden, had to live by the sweat of his brow, had to farm with thistles and thorns, etc.
Eve: kicked out of Eden, increased pain in child birth, subject to husband, and drawn to him.
Serpent: kicked out of Eden, lost legs, eats dust forever.
It's like you didn't read the story.
>>55380591
It doesn't matter what I think.
It only matters if it's real. Otherwise I'd have a mail order bride.
>>55380608
No, the Holy Spirit does that.
You really, really, really need to meet Him.
>>55380700
Why don't you have a mail order bride? Seems right up your alley.
>>55380711
So do you. So does every human, ever.
It'd be nice.
>>55380654
For God being so obvious, he sure is absent in every aspect of existence.
>>55380679
so they were punished?
>>55380619
The books actually did change during the years and there's very little chance that we read today was read the same 1000 years ago. But that's another question.
And again, plenty of books were excluded. Dont you care about those? They're the Word of God.
>>55380679
What a loving God.
I think I want to worship him forever now out of fear of what'll happen if I don't.
>>55380654
>>55380757
>>55380711
I thought the Council of Trent did that.
>>55380748
I met Him, He lives in me, thanks.
>>55380757
Almost like He's giving you a clear playing field to believe in Him or not.
Do you fags have a minute to talk about your lord and savior, Sint Nicolaas?
>>55377801
I refuse to believe someone this idiotic is popular
>>55380745
>Order her
>Only way to make her stay is to instill fear into her of what I'll do if she leaves
I aspire to be unlike God and actually have someone truly love me because I deserve it; not because I demand it.
>>55380759
Cursed. All of creation was cursed. And the instant they sinned, they died, spiritually. They were not made to die; they were made to live forever with God.
Which is the point about becoming a born again Christian; to regain the Holy Spirit that Adam and Eve lost in the Garden of Eden, and to be transformed into something new, something better than they were.
>>55380947
GEEN ZWARTE PIET???
DAN KOMT OOK SINT MAARTEN NIET!!!
>>55380915
does it hurt when he enters you at night?
also, answer my question please, christian-senpai
>>55380759
>>55380915
Can I rip you open & meet him?
Really need something outside of the schizophrenic "voice in my head" bullshit.
>>55380772
We have tens of thousands of manuscripts that say otherwise; in fact, the bible has been handed to you on a platter at 99.5% intact.
The foul, evil, and disgusting gnostic books were never canon for excellent reasons.
The historical records of the apocrypha as well.
>>55380915
Sounds like you need to deworm yourself m8.
>>55380933
almost like he doesn't exist
>>55380845
this is a good one
>>55380988
cursed by whom?
god?
why did he make this curse?
>>55380803
It is a fearful thing to be in the hands of a living God.
The Supreme Being that I can call Daddy.
You can turn to Him in fear, if you ever gain any wisdom, but once you do so, you'll realize that He is indeed Love.
Not loving, Love.
>>55380953
damn, you know his statement is stupid when even India chimes in
>>55380872
Canon.
Book.
Different.
Learn.
Difference.
>>55381076
>The Supreme Being that I can call Daddy.
I am now certain that you have some sort of a homosexual relationship with the Lord
>>55380976
Then you will find what a wretch you truly are, if you are sincere.
“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.”
Deuteronomy 4:2 KJV
>>55381106
>fanfic and Jew Wars: Expanded Universe counts guise
>>55381014
I'm starting to think your questions are not worth answering.
Especially when they've already been answered.
>>55381021
No, I'm sorry, that just won't work.
You're trying though!
(Read, and Do, Romans 10:9-10 if you want to meet Him.)
>>55377314
>>55377357
REEEEEEEEEEEEKT
>>55381058
Almost like He's not forcing Himself onto you.
Which of course He could. But hasn't.
I wonder why not. It would make things SOOOO much easier for you!
>>55381076
What's love got to do with it when the penalty for NOT believing (because he hides himself from you, intentionally) is fucking eternal hellfire?
How is this love? How is this even fucking FAIR?
>Create you to be intelligent
>You now must ignore your intelligence & believe bullshit or I'll fucking burn you
>>55381198
its just bantz, dude
you still haven't answered why god punishes people who disobey him if he gave them the power to do so
>>55381067
God cursed the world, the universe, man, woman, serpent, everything, in order to let you know that something is terribly wrong.
>>55377661
Are you talking to yourself? If so carry on
>>55381106
The Council of Trent shitted on many of these books m8. Are you saying one book of the word of God is different than another?
What is the difference between a book which was eventually included in the Canon and the modern Bible and a book which wasnt? Who made the decision?
>>55381302
> in order to let you know that something is terribly wrong.
>Because I made it to be wrong, and you must suffer for my choices
>>55381128
Not so much, no.
Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
>>55381273
Sure m8 he didn't have issues literally floating around for doubting thomas.
Shame, all he has to do to save me is just give some sort of evidence but he chooses not to have a relationship with me. oh well
>>55381314
Not me my mongolian friend, check the IDs.
>>55381275
Yes, that's what satan has told you. That God is not Love. That God is not Fair. That God is not Just.
You believe the Father of Lies, over your own creator (and his).
Bad idea.
>>55381356
God made it good, in His eyes, and men and angels ruined it.
And then you were born.
So you get to choose: Life, and God, and Heaven, or Death, and satan, and hell.
It's not a trick question.
>>55381258
What happens to a 4 year old that dies cos Gord gave anal cancer?
Heaven?
>>55381302
he could have simply punished those three and made more people and let them take a swing at life instead of carrying the sin over to the kids that had nothing to do with their parents sin.
God was perfectly fine offering them to eat from the tree of life and live forever in paradise so we know that Gods original purpose was for man to live in paradise
>>55381372
If santa is real, anything can happen
>>55381362
Standing in front of Thomas in His resurrection body, you mean.
A body like He's promised to all who believe He is Who He says He is.
>>55381409
>satan has told you
That's what the BIBLE fucking tells me.
That's what every post you've made trying in vain to defend him tells me.
Satan doesn't have to say shit.
I mean, being 4 and dying of anal cancer should give you a free pass to heaven imo.
>>55381459
Yes. All children prior to the age of accountability are living and blameless.
(No. Do no evil that good may come.)
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