>first there was nothing
>then that nothing exploded for literally no reason and the entire universe was formed
This is what atheists actually believe.
>there was always god
>that made everything because he loves us and has a plan
>the bible is my evidence, it says so in the bible
This is what theists actually believe
>>55374256
What created god?
Cause if nothing created him, the principle is th same as the big bang...
>>55374256
Wow, atheists are autistic! Who would have known! Just let them be blue pilled, there is no hope for them.
>humanity literally has a 0% success rate at defining the limits of reality throughout history
>literally everything else in nature is cyclical
>but the universe has a definite beginning and a definite end
Post reproducible evidence God exists
>>55374677
>God always existed!
>It can't be that matter always existed and God haven't, so I'm right!
Christfags are like children.
>>55374256
Georges Lemaître, and the enire catholich church, seem to believe the same. How curious!
Seems like only Lutherfags and muslim hordes have a problem dealing with science and facts....
Daily reminder that the same quantifiable amount of evidence exists that proves that what Scientologists is real as what Christians believe is real.
That is, a big fat fucking zero.
>>55374256
>There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God.
This is what Brits actually believe
>>55374256
>First there was nothing
We never said that
>Then that nothing exploded
Expanded
>For literally no reason
We never said there was no reason
>And the entire universe was formed
That's the only part you got right.
FUCK YOU CHRISTFAG HAVE FUN BELIEVING IN AN INVISIBLE SKYDADDY. FUCK CHRISTIANS.
>>55374568
>>the bible is my evidence
No, divine revelation is my evidence
I remember being 15
>>55374256
>first there was a tight cluster of basic elements
>very dense, hot, and radioactive
>after a long period of time, the start forming new elements from colliding at high speeds and heat
>eventually they spread out slowly over time, due to them bouncing off of eachother, hydrogen, argon, and nitrogen start forming for the first time, when they get a little more distanced, these start forming clusters, which pull more elements in
>this is the big bang
>chances are if people that are much more educated than you have spent their whole life on this, it might have more merit than "'cause it happened"
>>55374970
Anyone can claim divine revelation
>>55374970
How can I reliably reproduce and document that evidence
>>55375021
>there was a tight cluster of basic elements
Where did they come from?
Time going to the past cannot be infinite, mind you
>>55375021
>still can't explain where basic elements came from
atheists are the babies that tried to put the circle through the square hole; God can't be tried with human morals and logic. They'll never stop being butthurt about this fact and so they limit themselves and create a close-minded world of lies held together by desperate constant self-affirmations of being "right". It's pretty sad.
remember, the banana; made to perfectly fit the human hand, and the atheist's anus.
>>55375052
You can't. Divine revelation means God tells you He's there, you have no agency on it.
>>55375041
Yes, and?
Just because there are liars doesn't mean everybody lies
Why do people keep seriously arguing about this? Has anyone here ever actually made a christian reconsider his faith? Do you think you are accomplishing something here?
>>55375138
In other words, there is no reproducible evidence and your hypothesis is unsupported.
>>55375092
It really makes a lot more sense when you keep in mind that there is a strong correlation between atheism and autism. We should listen to them though, as people with autism tend to be more logical. At least that's what the doctors told their parents to try and stop them from crying when they got the news.
Why do you kids keep posting ridiculous oversimplifications of religions or lack of religion? Oh, right, this is 4chan, babies first theology debate.
>>55375170
>hypothesis
Divine revelation is not a hypothesis
>>55374677
>what created God?
>implying that there's a "before God".
>implying God exists within the realms of time
Does anyone have the bread pill reading list?
>>55375151
they're here to convince themselves, not theists.
>>55375077
>>55375090
There's a few theories to that, but an interesting thought: If the larger the body of mass you're on/close to, speeds up time, and so does the speed you're traveling at, how fast could time have been moving for these things? They were clustered around their own dense, hot mess, and going at near light speed, 1 year mustve only been a few seconds for them
>>55375021
>first there was a tight cluster of basic elements that held all the matter that ever existed
>after a long period of time, the start forming new elements
>start forming new elements
>new elements that magically remain stable
>chances are if people that are much more educated than you have spent their whole life on this, it might have more merit than "'cause it happened"
There is just so much wrong with this that it's not worth the time picking it apart.
>>55375222
So it's not a hypothesis, there is no evidence to support a "divine revelation" and it cannot be reproduced. I do not understand why you think people with said revelation are credible sources of information.
>>55374256
I'm an atheist and i don't believe in the big bang theory.
it's still just atheory there isn't enough evidence for it to be considered a fact, not like evolution. also it breaks the law of conservation of mass and energy.
>>55375151
No, I've never really cared, but the theists on this board feel a pretty strong urge to have to convince themselves that god is for real.
>>55374256
Can you be less obvious the next time you try divide and conquer tactics, Schlomo?
>>55374256
There wasn't any "nothing". There was no before. Space/time began with the big bang.
Nature abhors the vacuum.
>>55375351
>It was actually just particles bouncing around
>said elements for the sake of ease
>Extremely radioactive
>Unstable
>Particles ramming into eachother at near light speed, form new elements, much like the hadron collider
>>55375365
The evidence is there that there was a "big bang", we just don't know where any of the stuff that made it happen came from yet. I imagine figuring out how that law was broken is the big mystery here.
>>55375359
>there is no evidence to support a "divine revelation"
You don't get this, do you?
Divine revelation is God personally telling a guy with as much proof as He deems that He is there, it is not a demonstration of the existence of God SAVE for that person.
There's nothing to argue here.
>>55374970
>divine revelation
See also: delusion
>>55375306
It's so weird. like this guy trying to explain the origin of the universe as if he has to. seriously bro, ever heard of the god of the gaps? it doesn't matter what you say, as long as humans aren't omniscient, they'll never believe it. just let it go
>>55375440
how do you know that guy isnt just psychopathic , and is just hearing god, becuase he's off his meds?
>>55375199
That's because autistic people are more logic, less muh feels. Thus, they are interested in facts and not religion.
>>55375469
Because I'm that guy
>>55375423
Nice backpedaling, m8
>>55375371
>all those dang militant theists on my internet!1!!1!
>not even realizing how stupid you sound
>>55375457
That picture is retarded
Science only inteprets the world
>>55375440
So god just chooses who he proves his existence to, and it only happens to be people who already believe in him?
Wow, that sure is convenient! :^)
>>55375457
I have reason to believe there is a box with the correct picture on it.
>>55375532
You said I was wrong, so I went through and picked out the parts where I had written less clearly than needed
>>55375430
couldn't the observable universe just be compressing and expanding similarly to waves in an ocean?
>>55375469
He doesn't and can't know that. You just need faith you see. :^)
>>55375569
>it only happens to be people who already believe in him?
No, that's factually wrong, I used to wear seven fedoras, three sombreros and four trenchcoats, not to mention how much I unseathed my katana
>>55375609
Uhh yes? I mean there are people who seriously think this is the case and are trying to provide proof for it.
Our universe could very easily be going through a permanent cycle of big bangs and big crunches over and over again.
One shill thread at a time please schlomo
>>55375440
The argument is that there is no evidence to prove that whatever causes a person to believe a divine intervention to be the work of god exists.
>>55375504
"You just know" is not evidence.
Everything points to religion in general being a construct by human beings to act as a book of teachings to future generations. The teachings in said books are perhaps sound advice, but the "miracles" are either reasonably explainable or lack supporting evidence.
It is a kind of circular logic to "know" that a deity exists, because other people that know the deity exists have told you so.
>>55375365
The law of conservation of energy only applies in a closed system. Currently, the universe has been shown to be accelerating in its expansion. As the volume of a vacuum increases, photons lose energy, which would make it reasonable to believe the expansion of the universe should be slowing down, since there is less energy in the universe. However, the energy of the universe is staying at a constant gradient. This means that there is some kind of dark energy that is fueling the expansion. Energy is not conserved in the expanding universe, therefore mass isn't either.
>>55375546
>implying religion threads and fedora meme spammers aren't left and right on the front page
Is today your first time posting here?
>>55375722
Germany, are you potato? I said this is not evidence to present on a debate, I merely mentioned that in my case I have witnessed personal evidence, so you can tip your fedora all you want because it's gona be futile.
>>55375742
Then today cannot arrive
>>55374970
If dreams are evidence, then I fucked Taylor Swift.
Source: divine revelation
My God created this juicy delicous steak.
checkmate atheists.
>>55375791
>dreams
Who said it was a dream?
Maybe the nothing was a muslim
>>55375784
So what exactly are you trying to argue then? That divine revelation is sound evidence? That's an anecdote, not an evidence. One that indicates you should probably get your head checked out by a shrink because it's remarkably similar to the symptoms of schizophrenia.
>>55375623
So, for arguments sake, let's pretend that God actually exists for a minute...okay, now let's review facts.
God is all powerful. Yet he does not reveal himself to all his people, and demands you believe he exists or you burn in fiery torment for eternity.
You can be a rapist, murderer, child diddler, whatever, but if you do a little prayer and be sorry about it you get to go to heaven.
On the other hand, you can spend your life helping your fellow man, volunteering your time, just being a good dude, but don't believe he exists because no one has ever presented you with credible evidence, you are subjected to punishment beyond your worst nightmares for all eternity.
He is all powerful, yet he lets kids die and starve in 3rd world shit holes every single day. Innocent children, who never asked to be born, suffer in famine and disease while he is apathetic about it.
Do you see how this looks like a cult yet?
Fuck your god. I'd rather burn in hell than give my life to such a piece of shit false diety.
>>55375881
>So what exactly are you trying to argue then?
That you are wasting your time and mine
>>55375759
>not realizing it's the same guy posting these threads every day
>fedora fags still fall for it EVERY time
It's like clockwork
>>55375817
You were more likely visited by a demon bro. God only appears in person to saints and prophets. demons often assume the role of gods(as with the pagans obviously) to mislead humanity. you should purge yourself of your sin with fire
>>55375973
So, for arguments sake, lets pretend that the bible actually says the truth.
And that we have been told that we are responsible for our own actions according to whom we will be rewarded or punished.
And that we were told to feed the needy.
And that most people in the world belong to satan.
Do you see yet how I don't give two shits about the raging pleas of a demon?
>>55376033
It wasn't a demon, God provided him with sufficient evidence to prove it was Him :^)
>>55375976
You're a special one, does divine revelation sap all logic from your brain?
>>55375973
>Implying your feeble mind can understand Gods will.
>>55375973
>2015
>still making the argument from evil
Holy fucking shit just gas yourself already dude, there really is no hope for you.
>Anglo subhuman shilling for desert death cult
Nothing to see here, Aryan man.
>>55376063
What exactly happened? Did you panicked when God revealed himself to you?
>>55376063
Ok fetch me that talking snake, we are all incest of Adam and Eve, God committed mass genocide and only Noah survived for more incest, and fiery bushes can land on mountains and speak. But if you throw lamb blood on your door you are safe. Don't need boats people can just split seas/oceans
>>55376160
m8 fucking do us all a favor, drop the memes and prove that your god is more true than the other gods that people worship.
PROTIP: you literally can't
If the Bible is true, why isn't it located in the nonfiction section?
Checkmate Christians.
>>55376063
It's not like it matters anyway. An all loving God would never torture a soul for eternity in hell, but instead bring them into heaven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN3XL76w0-k
Educate yourselves instead of practicing ignorance.
>>55376307
eh, i've always been more keen on the old testament god myself. it makes more sense. if you look at the world around us, there's a clear food chain. size aside, as a metaphor, the biggest guy feeds on the big guy, who feeds on the meium guy, who feeds on the small guy, who feeds on the smallest guy. if god is the supreme being, then he's the apex predator. he probably eats planets like galactus
I'm an atheist and my belief if you can call it that is that we have no fucking clue how the universe started. Humans are always trying to fill in every gap, sometimes we have to admit that we won't know until we get more evidence
>God exists
>forever
>for no reason
this is what christfags actually believe
>>55376474
kek, that does make a whole lot more sense. Maybe it would be more accurate to call god entropy instead.
>>55376517
He has a reason, afterlife Santa. Be good reward be bad no reward
>>55376517
dude it's all part of his plan you can't comprehend it as a human
>>55376030
Guess what, which one attracts the most viewers?
>>55374256
Where did God come from?
>>55376594
Man blesses world with presence/presents, is seen as old man with grey beard, knows who good or bad, Christmas is on his birthday basically it's like Santa stage 2 oh grown out of that one, new one for when you die.
In a way, we are all God. We are all a part of the same life force and source of truth and goodness. Our collective life force intentionally drives life in all forms, from microbes to flamingos to people to whatever other life exists in the universe. The totality of our life force expands across the universe in order to learn and experience and contribute to the intelligence of the being. We are all a part of the same source, which some might call a "God". God is not a separate being. God is you and me shitposting on 4chan.
if god is real, then show me a picture of him.
that's what i thought.
>>55376763
dude weed lmao
>>55376517
>God exists within the rules and limitations of our universe, including time and space
Watching people with autism try to understand (not even ACCEPT, just understand) the idea of God is cringeworthy
>>55374256
if le god created everything who created le god ?
>>55376763
DUDE WEED
God exists as a seperate deity that created humanity.
>>55376816
isnt he wearing a cross?
>>55376593
think about it, he seeds the planets with life, waits a few million years for evolution to create more complex organisms, tells said organisms to "GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY"(nothing suspicious there), then, when the planet is populated enough, he has himself a meal.
>mfw christfags are right and God is real
>but the Second Coming is when we all get eaten
>>55376713
God is by definition that which has always existed, I guess the difference between God and the physical world is that God is not a combination of arbitrary parameters(physical laws) that can't possibly be justified by themselves.
>>55375796
>His god is a cow
Poo in loo
>>55376816
so you don't believe in le magical grandpa or heaven? to you, god is merely an abstract, all encompassing concept of how the universe came to be. you're just as bad as the atheists you fucking heretic.
*tips fedora*
>>55377013
Without people not believing in God, you wouldn't have the free will, as it is a choice. So without non believers you have no free will.
>>55375251
>divine revelation
>God spoke to me
Oh really? When's your new book in the bible coming out. Pretty sure that saying God spoke to you is straight up blasphemy. So fucking out of touch to actually believe God would speak to you.
>>55374568
>>55374256
Accept it, biblefags.
You have no argument.
no amount of fat hat guy memes will be enough to cure your anal destruction.
>>55376763
not bad
Anyone who believes in a religion based on human understanding (i.e. Christianity, Islam, Judaism) is doing it wrong. Humans are stupid and arrogant about their place in the universe, so an organization of humans can only expand that stupidity. The best you can do is explore your own kind of truth and love, learn from those things, teach them to others, and die. I have my opinions and you should have yours, but those opinions should be totally objective and separate from anybody else's. Theism and atheism, by their nature, can only be explored on a personal level.
In my opinion.
>>55377281
Aww you sound like an early 2009 atheist posting demotivators before internet atheism got destroyed by fedoras in 2013 and your kind were too ashamed to post anywhere.
>>55377522
you still can't prove it wrong fedorafag
>>55377522
>more hat guy memes
>nothing constructive to debate the image macro
Thanks for proving me right, christ weeb. I wonder if you ever question why God put you here but forgot to give you a brain.
>>55375251
The same can be said for the universe. What if it's always been here? Cycling between the single point, big banging, and then collapsing in on itself some 100 billion years later.
>>55377522
The fedora meme is incoherent. It arose from nowhere and has no actual relation to atheism.
>>55377522
why won't you even consider the idea of a malevolent god? obviously god is beyond human morality, but "malevolent" from our perspective. he creates simplistic life so that when more complex life arises he tells it to procreate, and when they do in sufficient amount he feeds on them.
Guys we need to start cutting back on our population
Op is probably an atheist b8ing
From my current knowledge the big bang (horrible name btw) goes like this.
All of the universe and space was in a tiny volume. Not a singularity. It was extremely dense and hot. Them space started to expand within itself(there is a reason for this something to do with energy) As it expanded it got cooler and cooler. Because of that the 4 fundamental forces of the universe (which at the time was one single force) started to break apart. Then the elementary particles began to form from the fundamental forces.
BTW I'm a baptist. This is the most common , current theory explaining the universe.
Current != Correct
>>55374256
The only thing these threads accomplishes is making fedoras look less degenerate compared to religious subhumans.
>>55377715
nah
>>55374256
So what you're saying is... you're too stupid to understand atheism.
I feel sorry for you. Your story makes more sense.
>ITT
>CHRIST WEEBS GETTING BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
Just another day on /pol/.
>>55376422
>>55377864
to be fair that image means shit because christians are more sophisticated now. see, all the stories that are obviously impossible are just metaphors and not real. all the stories that haven't yet been disproven are the real ones.
>>55375562
Great comeback.
What the fuck does that even mean?
>>55377864
It doesn't make sense because you try to reason with these pagans. Orthodoxy is the one and true religion and it says that Jesus was the son of god who was sent down to show us the way, but the fucking jews just couldn't have it , could they?
>>55378013
This is Poe's Law at it's finest. Well done sir.
Consider my fedora tipped.
>>55378069
Well Jesus is just a rip off of all the other stories, he just kinda popularized the brand.
>>55375973
For argument's sake, let's say you die right now and go to hell. While you're in burning torment, you think back to the post about how you would rather burn in hell than give your life to God, cursing and screaming at yourself for saying such a thing, unable to go back and correct your mistakes.
>mfw atheists are a majority in my country
they cannot keep getting away with it
>>55376912
You basically just god he was magic and doesn't worry about trap-cards.
Like a dumb faggot.
>>55378279
>Making the same post on a different thread
>Still no sources or proof
Speculation does not a fact make, friend.
>>55378293
Pascal's Wager? A coward's choice
>>55374256
>first there was nothing
Nothing is impossible when we atheist say nothing we actually mean as far as we know whatever the fuck existed before the universe cannot be explained in a way our mind understands.
The big bang is just a reaction of dark energy in the singularity being released, dark energy is the invisible force that makes the universe expand btw meaning its the most ancient form of physics in existence. We have no idea where the singurality came from however and we have no idea where what the singularity came from came from.
>>55378483
Who said anything about Pascal's wager?
>>55378431
Even if I provided proof you wouldn't believe it.
Watch Agora
>>55374256
> Implying you cannot be an atheist without taking the big bang THEORY as a concrete fact.
Logical fallacies seems to be abundant in the religious world.
>>55378638
Lazy faggot
>>55378293
>threatening atheists with hell
>>55378710
You're too lazy to WATCH A MOVIE?
God DAMN are Americans ever lazy.
>>55378554
you were partly invoking pascal's wager to scare him into god.
>if god is real and you rejected him you'll be sorry as you burn in hell(the risk of infinite loss)
>>55378638
You say you have proof but fail to produce it and tell me to watch something. That's no different than the people who tell you to go read a bible. Are you afraid your proof will fall apart upon inspection?
>>55374256
>>first there was nothing
>>then that nothing exploded because god said so and the entire universe was formed
>>55378795
The Jesus story was inspired by many previous false deities.
That's the truth unless you disprove it.
>>55378780
You can't be this dense. Are you completely unaware that christians have a concept of hell that is a place of eternal punishment or do you think Pascal invented it? Tip harder, friend. Tip harder.
>>55378873
>"This is the truth, anon"
>posts no proof
Smh.
>>55378795
he's got a point. jesus was just one of the many prophets at the time peddling shit, also a popular contemporary of his was Apollonius of Tyana. But jesus got crucified and the romans inadvertently gave him a compelling and captivating mythology for his followers to build on. moses as well was based on a syrian myth of Mises and so on, it's all mixed and mashed
every single discussion about religion in this board:
>hurrr religion/atheism
>hurrr muh bible/muh infinite regression
>hurrr fedora
Thousands of gods and thousands of religions have come and gone many lasting longer than Judaism, Islam, and Christianity... But no, you think you got it right. Billions of people before you had it allllllll wrong but a bunch of Jews in the desert figured out all the answers of the universe before the invention of the telescope.
>>55379018
You have to disprove it. Those are the rules.
>>55379020
You can also compare the jesus myth to Herakles.
>born of a virgin
>god for a father
>saviour of his people
>prince of peace
so on. obviously the greeks at the time were a lot more warlike and jesus was all about the peace, but situations change through time and place
>>55378483
reasonable calculation isnt coward at all
Apollonius
Herakles
Mithra
That's just a few.
This is the only time on pol that anyone ever says 'the Jews had it right!'. When it comes to the bible.
>>55379071
This is what shakes my belief in any organized religion. I believe in God or a supreme being and most of the time Christ. Bit thinking about all the religions before hand really makes me go dafaq.
>>55379164
>>55378873
>>>55378795 (You)
>The Jesus story was inspired by many previous false deities.
>That's the truth unless you disprove it.
You made a claim and failed to produce proof to prove it. Your claim holds no credit. I thought atheists were supposed to be intelligent.
>>55374256
Oh?
What, you think God also just SUDDENLY decided to create humans and earth after many years of space just kinda existing?
>>55379335
I already explained that there's nothing I could produce that would make you believe it.
Therefore you have to disprove it, otherwise it's true.
>>55374256
>The big bang started from nothing.
>Actually our god created the entire universe in 7 days through magic.
>Doesn't know that The Bing Bang Theory was first proposed by a priest.
Do these podunk bible belt states just not have any kind of decent high school science education or something?
>>55379393
>Therefore you have to disprove it, otherwise it's true.
That isn't how it works.
If you make a claim, it is on you to prove it.
You dense fucks, it's literally a catholic theory. Proposed by Lemaitre (scientist, as well as priest), and approved by the Vatican.
Only your 'murican creatonism radicals and middle eastern savages have a problem with that theory...
>>55379534
Then give me proof of god
(this is too easy)
>condensing an entire area of study into less than 20 words
>this is what atheist beleib XD XD XD
>250 replies every time
You deserve this /pol/, this is the future you have chosen.
>>55375251
>My imaginary friend is immortal because I say so.
You do realize that this "god" you talk about is a voice in your head and that you suffer from a schizoaffective disorder?
>>55379553
why are creationists savages? you don't get to cherry-pick the bible. either everything is true or there's no reason to believe any of it is. if creationism is wrong why believe any other story of the bible?
>>55374256
First there was always something, it wasn't just nothing.
I always thought the fact that there was an origin to the universe could be used as proof there is a god.
I don't see how changing the story of the beginning destroys the idea of some other worldly creator, if anything it enhances it.
>>55374256
>More like Tehre was a whole lot of nothing.
>Then idk.
>Explosions.
>There was something.
>It's likely got an explanation that like science and shit.
>>55379553
>'murican creationism radicals
You mean the people who post on /pol/ all day?
>a magical sky wizard did it
>he exists because he exists
Just admit that there is no point arguing either way and nobody can prove anything
>>55374256
Never understod the points of making a thread like this, the big bang takes alot of knowledge in advanced physics to understand and i doubt that anyone here does i dont either.
Dont be a kek and stand up for your faith. There are retards at both sides of the table
the big bang theory was invented by a catholic
ahteism literally LITeRALLY has nothing to do with the big bang theory
also to say whether you 'beleve' in a scientific theory or not, is to completely misunderstand science
science is NOT in the business of giving out creation theories
which is what you people are mistaking the big bang THOERY for
Do I take the big bang to be the current model of the universes explanatory past? yes.
does that mean the big bang is the universes literal creation theory? no.
>>55380100
It only explains how the universe came to its current state and can predict how its going to change.
>>55378293
You have no principles, I stand by mine. I hold anyone claiming to be my creator to a standard, and yours does not meet the requirement. So even though you know in your heart that I am going to hell, I have no regrets.
Now, get back to church. You wouldn't want to be late with your offerings and tithes, would you? God needs your money, my son.
>>55379943
The big bang theory is really easy to understand.
By observing the light from stars you can calculate what direction and what speed they are going. From that you can find out where they came from.
Some scientists measured that on a bunch of stars and they all traced back to the same location. And that's where the theory came from. You would have made the same discovery given the proper tools.
>>55380370
>No understanding of God, the Bible or christianity in general
You are aware that there are no worship services today, right? Tithing is neither mandatory nor compulsory, if it feels that way to you, it would be wrong for you to give any money at all.
The thing is, holding God to your own standard is backwards thinking and a form of idolatry. Additionally, you lack context in your criticism.
>>55380817
Indeed my friend, the created does not make demands of the creator. it is god who makes the demands. and he speaks through us through holy people capable of hearing him. i am one such person. i would like you to give me your email address so that i may send you my paypal account. god says you need to give me five thousand american dollars. if you don't, it will create a domino effect that will catastrophically influence the western world.
>>55375138
Funny how ISIS too has divine revelation and is even willing to die for their beliefs. Thus ISIS > You
>>55378060
It means God isn't the universe, he's the creator.
As such christianity isn't against scientific development per se, for it reveals to us the creation of the Lord, His great mystery, the gears of the clock of the great watchmaker etc.
Just because you know of the universe doesn't mean you've proven god doesn't exist. So the god of the gaps, and this image, is utterly stupid.
>>55381217
>False teachers and the love of money
I know my stuff, m8. Funny post though.
>>55381553
Isnt money given in a curch mostly for the curch itself and to help people in the area. Or am i wrong?
I mean im not a relgious person but i still see the value that a curch provides for people in need and also how beatiful some curches are here in sweden as landmarks
I really really wish I was in that alternate universe where 4chan got a /rel/igion board instead of a fucking adult cartoon one. Anyone who posts religion threads on /pol/ wanting to stir shit needs to fuck off and die in a chemical fire.
>>55375796
You're God didn't cook it enough.
Checkmate faggot.
>>55381813
it's a nice diversion from one thousand american election threads and two thousand syrian immi-i mean migrants threads.
If god is real why won't he reveal himself to me? How can I be expected to believe with no evidence or a personal revelation? If I were to be religious without either of these things I might pick the wrong one and how could god blame me since I had no evidence to choose which one was true?
>>55381915
>eating streak medium or well-done
stop making atheists look bad you pleb
>>55374691
>the universe has a definite beginning
The universe as we know it, not the universe in general. It's hard job trying to explain something which can't be reproduced or without using of more energy than there is in our galaxy. We cna say that there would be nothing we'd recognise at that point, but for now that's it.
>definite end
The jury is out on this one. We don't know if our universe will keep expanding or will start to shrink. We are living near the point - or maybe just past the point - where the speed of universe growth starts to rewerse.
>>55380100
good post
We observe gravity forming stardust into planets. Christians actually worship gravity.
>>55374935
what was there then and why did it explode?
>>55374256
>some wizard made the universe
>this has more evidence than anything else
Lol Christians are so delusional
>>55375251
> implying anything that exists ever exists outside of space-time
> 2015
> not even being a Deist like the founding fathers were
The Laws of Physics don't let anything exist outside of time. If God made these laws, why would he not obey His own laws? He is the God of science, if he's any kind of God at all. Argue for God inside of logic and science, for He is the God of both.
>>55379816
yeah, pretty much.
>>55374256
>First there was a god
>Who exists because lol he has to because he made our universe
>But who himself conveniently needs to reason to exist
This is what theists actually believe
>>55377330
Well said
> but people are only here to shitpost, so this will receive no replies
>>55375457
yea, we live in exciting times. We are close to discovering the origins of the universe. after that, where else will God hide? Probably in the origin of life... oh boy, here we go again
>>55377697
No, it's totally coherent. It started as the male feminist meme
> "I consider myself a male feminist, m'lady"
> tips fedora
But autistic kids on /pol/ have since made it into a meme about atheists. To the anti-socially religious, /pol/ is like a warm blanket that keeps all the monsters out of their room; as long as it can be universally recognized on /pol/, it's true in their minds.
>>55374256
For the sake of argument I'm willing to concede that a deity of some kind did create this universe. However that still doesn't prove the Abrahamic god did it. There about thousands upon thousands of creation myths all over the world and your story is no more credible than anyone else's.
Nobody wants to say "god done it" and walk away, therefore people, theists included, want to find out concrete answers that are not influenced by their own personal bias.
>>55374256
>This is what atheists actually believe.
Atheists simply don't believe in a god or gods. Everything they believe in after that has nothing to do with atheism.
>>55385770
shhh don't ruin their black and white portrait of the world that they painstakingly created in their heads.
>>55374256
>this whole thread
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