IT'S HAPPENING!
Coup d'état in Portugal! The 3 losing parties in the last elections signed a secret agreement to overthrow the current government (the winning party) and get to power!
http://expresso.sapo.pt/politica/2015-11-10-Acordo-assinado-em-separado-e-sem-direito-a-imagem
Please help us, we dont want to be ruled by commies and extreme leftists! USA? Anyone? ;_;
>>55371070
Know that the end is nigh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZrAlA31RUs
There are coups every day in Africa
Is this one somehow special?
>>55371070
aren't they the ones that want to leave the EU?
i thought the right-wing party denied them office because of anti-EU policies
How is this a bad thing?
>>55371169
yes, because its in Europe, and its inhabitants are white.
>>55371070
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_legislative_election,_2015
You're fucked. Together these three parties have more votes. Just let them have control then go full Greece. Eventually your lefties will learn.
>>55371347
If you'd have said Spain is in Europe, I would have agreed. But Portugal? No. They're also not white.
>>55371070
Don't worry, USA will step in and prevent you from leaving the EU, you pathetic little cück.
>>55371438
>Netherlands
aren't you faggots busy getting keked hard at the moment? DUDE
>this currynigger will be our new prime-minister
>CURRYTUGAL
Also, prostests in front of the parliament.
http://www.dn.pt/portugal/interior/manifestacoes-concentracao-para-apoiar-governo-da-coligacao-ja-comecou-4878344.html
>>55371551
does he at least poo in loo?
>>55371438
>Netherlands
>telling someone else they're not white
Holy shit, my fucking sides
>>55371551
>protests
>50 people
wat
>Please help us, we dont want to be ruled by commies and extreme leftists!
ONE OF US. ONE OF US.
>>55371070
What are you saying anon, I'm from the Islands and don't bother keeping up with continental Portuguese politics because they are boring and useless with a bunch of beurocratic people whinning about about the same shit everyday and doing nothing about it.
Sorry for my ignorance but what's going on exactly ? They are putting the indian nigger in charge ?
>>55371070
literally what?
>>55371070
But the socialists won the last election? The coup was by the president.
>>55371272
This is exactly what happened.
This fucking nigger. Betrayed his Socialist Party leader so he could run for the elections as party leader, lost those elections and now, is going to be prime-minister. This guy's thirst for power is never-ending.
>3 losing parties
They have a majority combined.
Would you apply your logic to the Danish election this year, where the largest party was the Social Democrats but the government became right wing because their coalition of parties gained more?
Your Socialist Party aren't even socialists anymore, quit bitching.
>>55371716
Seems cool to me.
>>55371070
I almost forgot about Portugal even exists. Maybe that's why more immigrants don't find their way there. Unlike Spain that sure has immigrants from Africa crawling all over the place and they aren't actually rich either.
>>55371747
Right wingers only care about democracy when capitalist relations are assured.
>>55371716
Ooooh, a power-hungry megalomaniac!
Those are always entertaining.
estado novo 2.0
>>55371774
our irrelevancy is basically the only thing keeping us unçucked (compared to the rest of Europe) nowadays t͘bh f͘am
Fake and gay.
But this can happen in Brazil anytime soon.
>>55371774
portugal is practically part of spain
>>55371776
Socialists aren't concerned with democracy, traditionally.
>>55371347
>>55371438
Netherlands is right. Portugal is an African country.
They have a public defecation rate above 0% and they are darker than the Berbers.
>>55371070
Commies in MY WESTERN world?!
Portugal needs some liberating!
>>55371857
hey nigel, aren't you supposed to be prepping ahmed right now?
>>55371776
There is no democracy without capitalism.
>>55371893
*this is what capitalists actually believe*
This is what FRENTE POPULAR feels like.
Call Portuguese Franco right now... He was from Galicia so should be one somewhere in north Portugal
IM INIGO BRAZILOYA
YOU KILLED MY FATHER
PREPARE TO DIE
>>55371893
>>55371848
Thats North Korea.
Syriza is "satisfied" with this outcome. Now they're not the only ones walking down this road. According to Trigazis, a similar outcome is expected in Spain.
http://www.dn.pt/portugal/interior/syriza-muito-satisfeito-com-acordo-de-esquerda-em-portugal-4878446.html
>>55371891
Unfortunately my problems are the dogs, Indians and Portuguese who keep shitting on my lawn.
>Cats are more civilized than Portuguese.
>>55371805
Indeed Russia, indeed.
>>55371848
>>55371945
Socialism is democracy. Killing exploiters is just a perk.
>>55371966
We have PP + C's coming soon so it won't happen.
C's won't take Pablemos as ally for a C's+PSOE+Pablemos
C's is the key of all of this.
>>55371978
dude your pretty mad :^)
>>55371824
I heard in documentary that the very south of Portugal is one of most poorest regions in Europe.
>>55371978
Keep crying bitch nigga, I'm comming to london to get some easy white chav puss and shit on your lawn.
Yes I'm a nigg'.
>>55371912
>>55371930
Sorry, I expressed myself wrong: there's no economy besides capitalist economy.
>>55371928
dank
>>55372012
unless C's leader has no principles (which could be possible) he won't ally with PP because of their corruption ahoy, same with PSOE
i sense a second election in 2016
>>55372023
not really, all the british keks go there when they get old
>>55372044
YEah senpaitachi dat der chav pussy got all the exotic bacteria and viruses
>>55372052
It seems you're wrong anon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism
>>55371945
All the google image reverse searches turn-up as China.
>>55371070
>http://expresso.sapo.pt/politica/2015-11-10-Acordo-assinado-em-separado-e-sem-direito-a-imagem
Erm... It's actually espresso not expresso.
>>55371930
He didn't say "wherever there is capitalism, there is also democracy". He said you can't have democracy without capitalism.
>>55372044
>Chav puss.
You can have it mate. Everyone knows that Brits only fuck Dutch.
>>55372005
Muslims seem to be exploiting your resources pretty well, thanks to Labour.
I bet you'll still vote Corbyn because you're such a brainwashed kek.
>>55371347
>portugal
>white
They are moorish rape babies.
>>55372096
The bourgeoisie didn't invent capitalism, they only applied it in a different social context.
Feudalism and mercantilism are also economy based on private property and capital.
>>55372158
Fuckin papes. DIE!
>>55372178
Go look outside, Van der Shit, your country is filled with worse than moors.
>>55372158
>Party which invaded Malaysia, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, dropped clause 4 and supports NATO and the EU.
>Socialist
Pick one.
>>55371912
Please, show me the list of all the democratic states who are not capitalistic.
>>55372090
Don't matter Daan, white puss is best puss.
On muh journey I'll pass through Amsterdam first for the tall lanklet pounded gash.
I swer on me mum bruv.
>>55371915
Spanish Civil war 2.0 when?
I want to be a right wing counterpart to Hemingway already.
>>55371838
let me remind you of aljobarrota, cabrão.
>>55372087
Brits/Germans also own tourism and wine industry there and employ native people who get very poor salary.
>>55372206
Feudalism is only private property insofar that the realm is the property of the landlords and the king. Bourgeois capitalism emerged as a radical response to centralised ownership of capital by the feudal class. We also have a different ideological framework to feudalism - right of the individual over the divine right to rule etc
>>55372241
Capitalism and democracy are inherently contradictory. Also, voting for new face at the centre of capitalist framework =/= democracy.
>>55372239
8% of the population, versus your 100%.
Eu fui a Portugal com regularidade, até tive um negócio lá, Nunca encontrei um único Branco no teu país, Nuno.
>>55372308
>Could have the biggest empire forever and ever together
>You decide to fuck up, ruin both of us and be a british cocksucker
YOU RUNIED FUCKING EVERYTHING YOU GREEDY BITCH
>>55372377
>Capitalism and democracy are inherently contradictory
Oh, you're one of those, nevermind then.
>>55372241
Bolivia, Nepal,
>>55372386
então só foste a Lisboa, cabrão de merda
>>55372022
He's probably a Paki or nigger, every true Bong knows Portugal is our greatest ally.
>>55372323
So you're mixing economy and culture. The problem is not capitalism, but the revolutionary illuminated elite.
>>55372377
The countries with the earliest democratic structures were also the most capitalistic and egalitarian ones -namely Brittain and the Netherlands. We had parliaments and proper legal structures before other europeans ever got rid of absolutist tyrants.
Same for the greeks. Decentralised power structures led by capitalist oligarchies. These produced freer societies than any before them.
So how about you fuck off, commie shill.
>>55372409
that's some buthurt if i ever seen one... yes, yes, feel them feels, my niggerino brothren
>>55371930
>any of those people
>doing anything wrong
Yeah man Honduras and Brazil are doing so well in comparison to Chile...
>>55372428
E Porto. E Faro. E Évora. Mas o meu negócio era em Coimbra e Figueira da Foz. Ou seja... eu vi bastante do teu empobrecido país, João. E é um desapontamento. Como todos os países não-Brancos.
>>55372240
Yes infidel, support the Oriental takover of Western civilization.
Diminish the white ownership capital so the teeming hordes of the East can acquire it, and siphon the wealth back to their civilization and make colonies out of yours.
>>55372415
>Your living standards depend on how much a boss is willing to pay you.
Yeah nothing inherently undemocratic about that...
>>55372386
Why would you lie on the Internet?
And i'd 50% of your capital is a bunch of niggers and Turks, worry about those, not us.
>>55372466
Cultural attitudes emerge from the material relations in the economy.
>>55372561
Dude, I said nevermind, you're 100% correct.
>>55372545
uau van der kek, you can see the names of our cities in google maps... 5 POINTS TO KEKERLANDS
>>55372480
The original attempts at democracy in Britain were entirely for white male land owners and only given entire suffrage until much later after working class organisations demanded it. That's without going into the shitty conditions for workers that still existed until very recently in this country.
>>55371070
Do you guys have oil? or other natural resources?
>>55372560
>Bitches about the "oriental takeover".
>Invades half the globe
Good stuff
>>55372386
típico tuga que deu o baza e despreza os tugas que ainda estão cá em portugal a tentar resolver a pátria.
Aposto que não te consideras portugues só para te sentires melhor mas no fim, tu sempre serás um subhumano como o resto de nós.
Chora mouro filha da puta.
We will raise wages and pensions
We will lower your taxes
We will achieve a lower deficit
And our plan is to tax the rich a lot more...
Greece, I think the condom broke last time you fucked the EU and we caught something.
>>55372608
Great. Glad we had this discussion.
>>55372690
you norks can't talk for shit... your perfect nubile females are keked to the max by ahmed and hes gang...
>>55372702
Reminds me of how Bolshevik Russia invaded Finland to "end imperialism".
>>55372595
>2016
>historical materialism
Pls.
>>55372663
>>55372480
Capitalism requires book-keeping, which in turn gives rise to bureaucracy and official records, which in turn leads to contract law and so on. It forces societies to modernise as a natural byproduct of expanding its markets, this is why it leads to strong institutions and modern states in a way other economic systems don't.
>>55372713
provavelmente um tuga a dar proxy ... a revolta nem sempre mostra o melhor das pessoas...
>>55372769
They didn't take over Finland though lol
>>55372690
Not really, nothing big at least, but there's always a bunch of companies trying to find oil here, they think it's very likely.
>>55371070
I feel your pain Portugal, maybe it is time for you to move to glorious Poland
>>55371070
YISSSSS EUROPE WILL COLLAPSE!
THE ONLY GREAT AMERICA HELL YEAH!
(except the liberals)
>>55372845
Because they got their asses kicked and America supported Finnish independence.
>>55372859
Are they opposed by the local population? Here everytime someone wants to drill, dig or anything like that all the greens and commies come out in the open and start shouting their usual retardation.
>>55372771
>still believing in meta-physics
>not proving my point entirely
>>55371070
Burn in héll nigger
>>55372845
Also they took control of Eastern Karelia.
>>55372845
They took over Karelia, which was their stated war goals. They really wanted the whole country ofc, but they can say with a straight face that they won the Winter War.
>>55372905
>Got all the land they wanted from Finland
>Got their asses kicked
ok lol
>>55372640
Sim, e eu aprendi a falar português, como? Ja inventaste uma desculpa para isso, seu mohammedano?
>500 euros salário mínimo
Hilariante
>>55372968
>They really wanted the whole country ofc
Gonna need proof for that otherwise it's just conjecture.
>>55372752
I know that m8, Norway is also fucked
>>55371631
Fight over who's white or wrong?... Eat shit OP!!
>>55372713
Eu nasci na Holanda e a minha senpaiília tem mais de 800 anos de história aqui. Eu não sou nem de sangue, nem de nacionalidade, Português. Só falo a tua merda de língua por razões de negócio. O que, por acaso, deu em fracasso por causa do carácter corrupto do vosso povo, mas enfin.
>>55373003
Try using the brain God gave you, fucktard.
Portugal will once again be a refugee to persecuted Europeans and Christians, mark my words.
>>55372976
se fosses inteligente, miguel, perceberias que chegamos a conclusão que nao passas de um puto autista e retardado a usar um proxy...
>fake netherlands proxy
>holy shit my sides.JPG
>>55373068
Still waiting for that evidence m8
>>55373039
let's feel together, bjork
>>55372690
I believe we found a gold mine in Algarve years back or something but the government sold the mine to some canadians/strayan corporation.
We have basically nothing.
Services tourism and cork exportations are the only duct tape left to prevent this boat from sinking faster.
>>55373085
Look at these losers lol
>>55373003
Reminds me of how Trotsky wanted to invade Germany to support his fellow Jewish commie herders, but got his ass kicked by Poland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War_in_1920
>>55372915
Not much, it's usually small, coutryside places, near the sea. It's always foreign companies too, so it won't matter.
People get more pissed about the commotion all the machines and trucks cause.
>>55372023
They are greecetier
>get loans
>waste money
>austerity
>boom no gibs for migs
>sit back and watch EU burn
>loot Spain and France in the cataclysm
>>55373119
nigel , don't you have a country to defend from the shitskins? worry about your own country, amigo
I wonder if any country in the world will accept me as a political refugee.
>>55372928
Matter doesn't create society, it's human values that makes matter matter.
It's sad I have to explain this to another human being, just look at your room and the things you bought and then explain that reality using only your materialist theory. Your theory can't be explained using your theory, because the proletarians never went communists,
>>55371070
Nice reverse-history, Pedro. Roflmao. Your govenrment doesn't even have parliamentary majority what a c*ck!
>>55373169
wow a kike talking shit about another country...
>sides transcending reality
>>55373119
>implying you'd not enjoy being a part of this
>>55373144
Jewish bolshevism is real and good desu. I like the fact persecuted minorities found appeal in communism.
Also they got all the land they lost later and fucking rekd the fascist government in Poland. But yeah, congrats and beating a defeated Russia right after WW1 lol.
>>55372976
GTFO here faggot. You're still a shit kindred just like the rest of us.
Isn't it time to scrap Mr. Laars toilet ? Please go.
>>55373237
well atleast we still have money in our ATMS kek
>>55372875
I'm not sad, the majority of the Portuguese people voted on left wing parties. They deserve what's coming to them.
>>55373261
>Jewish bolshevism is real and good desu
>oppressed minority who owned an uproportionally large amount of capital
We found Chaim.
>>55373094
First, why don;t you provide evidence that the Bolsheviks wanted to annex Belarus, the Ukraine, the Baltic states, and the states of teh Caucus mountains. I won't hold my breath because you won't find any, they justified those conquests after the fact as "spreading socialism" and "destroying imperialism", just as they would have had they managed to capture Finland.
>>55373214
>it's human values that makes matter matter
Human values don't emerge from nothing, they serve a purpose depending on material relations- things that actually exist. Things don't inherently matter, but they have use value which stems from material conditions.
Personal preferences are part of material ideology. Done.
>>55373119
abdul pls
>>55373259
I'll pass thanks
>>55373328
>Pogroms throughout all over Europe
>Jewish and non-jewish capitalists laughing with each other as Germany capitulates to fascism
>Still believing in duh jewish conspiracy in 2015
>>55373326
It's basicly the same as your country, man.
2 elections for the right, switch, 2 for the left, and so on.
>>55373293
I have more money in my mattress than whay you have in your bank account.
>>55373437
> implying you're not a hobo male prostitute
>>55373437
>>55373293
>two piss poor countries try to compete about which is the most piss poor
Just stop guys, I'm embarrassed for you both.
>>55373437
>money in mattress
That was pretty good.
>>55373089
Sim, claro. Um estrangeiro que não gosta de portugal e fala a língua? IMPOSSÍVEL!
Desculpa me enquanto converso em Holandês com os meus compatriotas, okay. Muculmano irritante.
Jongens, negeer de kanker portugezen, blijkt dat het allemaal niks dan trollen zijn. Zijken er maar een beetje op los.
>>55373332
Belarus, Ukraine, and Baltic states were part of a union and were basically allowed independence. Large parts of the p;d Russian empire, especially countries who expressed ethnic and national independence were allowed to chose - hence why Outer Mongolia and the conquered regions in Asia were allowed to leave.
Also nice post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just because the Belarus and Ukraine were "taken over" doesn't mean Finland would have been. All that was necessary was to keep the reactionary cesspool in check that the Nazis wouldn't use them to invade.
>>55373499
go back to your analy powered sex dungeoun , my fake netherkuk friend...
have fun being racemix'd and keked to eternity.
amen
>>55373413
>Jews were oppressed in the past, therefore them having an unproportionally large amount of capital and media influence in Weimar Germany doesn't matter
>you admit Jewish Bolshevism is real, but now assume that Jewish clan mentality can't appropriate communism as a means of promoting their own agenda
You Marxists really should take culture and ethnicity into your social equations.
>>55373487
You shut up too, Muhammad.
>>55373085
>>55373259
What is the story behind this, and how can i join..
>>55373263
Nope. Still not portuguese, kanker flikker. I learned the language because I was contracted to buy up and develop a wharf in Figueira da Foz in 2007. Project worth 7 million euros, over two years, so I learned the language to do my job properly.
Except the project ended in failure after a year because your corrupt city officials kept expecting bribes and dinners, your socialist government demanded we rehire the completely incompetent staff *and* cover the 11 million euros of debt the wharf still had outstanding. So in the end, we just outsourced to China. Thank your own faggot politicians and your gibs me dat nature for you horrendous economy. We'd have created 200 jobs and boosted the local economy immensely, but nooo, you had to be a bunch of socialists.
Vão se foder, seus ciganos.
>>55371716
That's what you get for mixing with poo in the loos.
>>55371835
BUT WE HAVE GUNS NOW
>>55373566
Yeah, no. I mean yeah, I know they used locals to staff the Gommunist parties in the occupied states, but freedom? Tell that to the Czechs.
And Stalin wasn't worried about Hitler invading, he was planning to invade Germany himself at some point. The attack on Finland was pure opportunism, just like the earlier attacks on Belarus, the Ukraine, Khazastan, Georgia, Armenia, Dagestan and Poland had been. Just because two these attacks were repulsed doesn't mean they were in any other way different from the clear pattern of Soviet expansion.
>>55373622
POO IN LOO
>>55373666
oh, i thought you'd evacuated to your racemix techno kek dance party .... grow a pair, anon
>>55371070
>Please help us, we dont want to be ruled by commies and extreme leftists! USA? Anyone? ;_;
>USA?
How to spot someone who has not understood why his country is shit, the post.
>>55371945
No, its actually China. It was over land disputes, iv'e seen the 4 or 5 other pics of this event floating around. That civilian looks too well fed to be a nork.
>>55373609
>therefore them having an unproportionally large amount of capital and media influence in Weimar Germany doesn't matter
My point was that capitalists, regardless of race benefit from the destruction of the German economy and the military empire that followed it.
>Jewish clan mentality
Making the assumption solidarity is defined by ethnicity or religion.
We take culture into consideration insofar that we consider which class power it serves and way it's importance based on that. Ethnicity... well we're materialists. Nothing materially separates a jewish worker and a white worker.
>>55373566
Estonia was intentionally culturally destroyed by the Soveit government in the Kremlin.
They deported Estonian natives on "work assignments" to other states, and intentionally flooded Estonia with Russian immigrants to dilute its native culture and make it more of a Kremlin pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification
It's no surprise really, destruction of culture is a commie hallmark. See: Mao destroying thousands-years-old Chinese artifacts, and telling kids to hate their parents because his popularity with the youngsters was dropping a bit.
>>55373664
European version of a Ren Fair / LARP.
http://www.festatemplaria.pt/en
>enter thread
>americlap is defending capitalism and still spreading neocon propaganda about russia
Not surprised.
>>55373800
As I said, you assume culture can only be defined by money, which is retarded.
I'm guessing that's why autistic Marxists want to destroy all cultural/regional differences and create a global state. They can't tolerate the fact that something goes against their perception of how societies are defined.
>>55373066
>Só falo a tua merda de língua por razões de negócio
Sei.
>>55373746
>but freedom? Tell that to the Czechs.
Well Czechoslovakia was communist long after this but it depends on what your definition of freedom is. I'd say the freedom not to be pogromed or murdered for being an ethnic minority and the right not to be exploited and poor are pretty essential freedoms.
>he was planning to invade Germany himself at some point
Yes, they both wanted to. Stalin understood that you cannot co-exist with fascism or imperialism and Hitler wanted to turn the "sub-human" Slavs into slaves for his 1000 year Reich. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was just a waiting game.
Again, just because the Soviets "took over" other parts and then gave them local autonomy doesn't mean he wanted the same from Finland. As long as it was in check and didn't support the Nazis (it later did) there was no issue with it. Imo Finland ceased its independence once it began executing trade unionists but I guess Stalin has more restrain than me.
>>55373666
pois, CLAAAARO que foste :^) até parece que ninguém mente na internet, meu filho
>>55373817
Why would a socialist country preserve feudal culture? That shit kept people repressed for centuries. Living standards, a strong economy and the right to eat and work and far more important.
>>55373923
>you assume culture can only be defined by money
No I didn't.
I don't see the purpose of the photo.
>>55371070
Kill them all, Joaquim.
I trust you.
>>55373969
>it depends on what your definition of freedom is
How about teh right not to be killed by the state for disagreeing with it?
>the freedom not to be pogromed or murdered
I'm not defending Hitlerism, and if you think the Soviets didn't pogrom people then you're very wrong.
>the right not to be exploited and poor
Wait, I thought you were FOR communism? Or are you somehow claiming that people are worse off under capitalism?
>Again, just because the Soviets "took over" other parts and then gave them local autonomy doesn't mean he wanted the same from Finland
Pathetic. "He did it literally everywhere he could, but that doesn't mean he would have done it here, had he been able to!"
>>55373933
underrated post
>>55371716
I thought you people were properly racist. How can you let this indian fuck rule your country?
>>55374151
>Or are you somehow claiming that people are worse off under capitalism?
When did /pol/ become normies?
>>553741
>implying the nationatilist party isn't lurking in the shadows...
I mean these are the people who three minutes from now will be complaining about racemixing propaganda, commersials and all sorts of degenerate shit in other threads. And then they come here later defending capitalism. Fucking idiots.
>>55374000
Sim, sim. Eu minto. As únicas pessoas que falam português fora de Portugal têm que ser emigrantes, senão a tua visão do mundo quebra.
You have some weird unwarranted pride in your nation, thinking no foreigners can speak your language, nor think your country is shit. I learned your language for business, and was severely dissapointed by how you cunts conduct business. Truly, a completely unbelievable fairytale, I know.
>>55374193
There are many arguments against capitalism, but "because it makes people poor" is simply not one of them. Growing the economy is what capitalism does, even the poor in a capitalist society are well off by comparison to a feudal or socialised economy. Sure the jobless underclass suffer, but then they suffer just as much under every system. At least capitalists are rich enough to afford shit like welfare and charities.
>>55374300
>, but "because it makes people poor" is simply not one of them
But, it is.
>>55374277
talking with you about my country is talking about waterloo to napoleon... GTFO you netherkek... go back to your sex dungeon, you kek-slave
>>55374151
>How about teh right not to be killed by the state for disagreeing with it?
Sure, and that was generally fine unless you're a fascist or a capitalist. Bit better than starving to death for not selling your labour.
>if you think the Soviets didn't pogrom people then you're very wrong
What pogroms and how were they on a scale worse than any other European country>
>Or are you somehow claiming that people are worse off under capitalism
People are much worse off under capitalism. Communists hold the record in industrialisation and increasing living standards. Especially when you consider that they didn't need an empire, slaves, or colonies to do it.
>He did it literally everywhere he could
But he didn't. Large parts of the old Russian empire were allowed to leave and the ones that stayed were allowed autonomy.
>>55374363
Keep being a socialist, corrupt shithole my friend! Keep voting in commies, works great. Doesnt scare away business at all. No, I'm only one of a million examples of people fucking off out of your country because of the terribly business climate, but no, your poverty is due to... what, lack of nationalism? The Spanish? Stupid commie faggot.
>>55374376
>Especially when you consider that they didn't need an empire, slaves, or colonies to do it.
>slaves
The gulag system
>colonies/empire
Half of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
>>55374470
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>55371070
we can be your greatest ally :)
This guy thinks gulags were fucking factories, holy shit.
>>55374277
Hey, man.
Congratulations on your great Portuguese, sorry about your unfortunate experience here.
Now let's move on.
>>55374442
i'd tell you to say that to my proud , nationalist face... but i'll not... i know you don't have the time , with all of your kekering...
>i imagine it takes time , watching my significant other being banged by 3 ahmeds and 2 tyrones...
>>55374277
cala a boca daan, vai estudar.
>>55373923
>1990: Bulgaria 2,200, Czechia 3,100
>2015: Bulgaria 7,712, Czechia 19,553
...You can have your capitalism back, thank you.
>>55374470
>The gulag system
Gulag reached about 2% of the entire population at most, that's not enough to make a significant impact on the economy. The industrialisation process was due to funding of education, inclusion of women in the work force, collective farming, and quotas.
>Half of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
Eastern Europe only became socialist until the USSR was already industrialised, and even then they weren't colonies. And the USSR gave away large pockets of the Asian regions that were previously dominated by the Russian empire.
>>55374545
o que é hilário é este fagote a chamar-nos de cornos... olha à tua volta, hans... kek
>>55374442
Kekering* >>55374531
>>55373666
Kek this guy thinks he's some Messiah who would have saved Portugal and that Portugal should be on its knees for bringing shame upon him
>>55371930
Wait.
Wasn't Leopold practicing classic European mercantilist colonialism?
Now that I think about it none of these men killed for capitalism but for other ideologies.
You need a better pic.
>>55374376
>Sure, and that was generally fine unless you're a fascist or a capitalist.
Yeah, the thing about free speech is that it doesn't work unless EVERYONE has it. Letting people say whatever they like so long as they don't disagree with you defeats the whole purpose.
>Bit better than starving to death for not selling your labour.
How is that any different from the Marxian slogan of "if you don't work, you don't eat"?
Also workers in the west haven't starved to death because they can't sell their labour in over 150 years, we have charity and welfare that keeps them alive.
>People are much worse off under capitalism
In what sense?
>Communists hold the record in industrialisation and increasing living standards
Yeah no they don't. That's an outrageously wrong claim.
>Especially when you consider that they didn't need an empire, slaves, or colonies to do it.
The Soviets didn't have an empire? That must be news to half of Europe and Asia. They didn't use slaves? I guess those millions who died in the workcamps were all volunteers then? No colonies? I guess all the Russians found their way to the Baltic states, to Prussia and to the Crimean by osmosis?
>Large parts of the old Russian empire were allowed to leave
During the civil war. Because the Bolsheviks couldn't stop them.
>the ones that stayed were allowed autonomy.
No they weren't. They were given local rulers and the illusion of autonomy.
>>55371070
>>55374704
>Also workers in the west haven't starved to death because they can't sell their labour in over 150 years, we have charity and welfare that keeps them alive.
Yeah, it's not like our race is slowly but surely being exterminated due to the capitalist system we live under.
If you only consider the individual over the collective, then all I can say is: Spotted the liberal.
DONT.LET.LEFTISTS.GOVERN.
>>55374680
He turned Congo into his private cash crop essentially. Countries can have both fuedal and capitalist modes of production simultaneously. Also like...Pinochet was capitalist. He was a capitalist dictator who had Friedman as an economic advisor.
>>55372377
>>Capitalism and democracy are inherently contradictory
>believing that shit
>thinking any kind of marxist variant is democratic
>thinking democracy is good
How can someone be so wrong saying so few words?
>>55374764
>If you only consider the individual over the collective
They're both important, which is why I don't support capitalism. But claiming it doesn't grow the economy is ridiculous, there is mountains of evidence going back centuries proving the efficiency of the capitalist system.
>>55373666
>Except the project ended in failure after a year because your corrupt city officials kept expecting bribes and dinners
Must have been your first time dealing with south european politicians if you didn't expect this.
>>55374841
What does ''grow the economy'' even mean? Do you KNOW what it means? I want you to explain it to me, because I don't think you understand the difference between banksters being able to show off fancy numbers and the economic power of the working class.
>>55374864
van der shit is scraping a toilet ... do you want to leave a message?
>>55374876
>What does ''grow the economy'' even mean?
The expansion and refinement of the means of production. Capitalism does this thru a system of investments, shareholding, and debt leverage which has proven itself to be unmatched in terms both of outcomes, and in terms of efficiency.
>the economic power of the working class
You think workers under gommunism were better off than comparable workers across the border in capitalist states? By what conceivable measure?
ÀS ARMAS, ÀS ARMAS
PELA PATRIA LUTAR!
>>55374617
Slavery didnt impact the Dutch economy for more than 1.8% per year either, but people still like to say we owe our wealth to it or some shit.
>>55374650
Nice projection faggot. Im saying that if Portugal wasnt so corrupt and hostile to business, it wouldnt be such a shithole. All I'd have done is make a small contribution to that.
They are such faggots that over 50% of their tourist industry, one of their largest sectors, is in the hands of foreigners.
>Portugal
>relelvant
>>55375183
Go back to the kiddies' table Netherlands, only real Empires are allowed to address one another.
>>55374864
It was. Never took a job in the south since then. Might go to Brazil in the petrol industry, shell is expanding there.... But the corruption is so annoying.
>>55375121
>contra os canhões marchar
even their national anthem demonstrates their lemming like nature.
>POORtugal
>>55375291
But you're arguing with Sweden...
>sweden
>more of an empire than the netherlands
Ich bitte euch, freund.
>>55375297
you motherfucker, don't talk about our anthem! Go back to your bedroom, your wife is getting upset cause she likes you to see her being cu cked by negroes.
>>55374788
CAN CONFIRM
>>55375319
No i'm not, wtf, that was literally my first post in this thread. Open a window, all that smoke must be blurring your vision.
>>55375311
irrelevant canadians lurking our thread... don't you have some american balls to suck , you maplesyrup fuckfboi?
>>55375297
I think originally it was "against the brits", but it was changed for obvious reasons.
>>55375388
>wife
Catholic weirdo, please. We dont c.uck ourselves by marrying anymore.
>>55375311
>PM is le unironic 2015 man
even worse than a socialist currynigger to be honest with you family
>>55375556
holy shit
yes yes, good goy, don't marry, just let the refugees take your women heheheheh
>>55375556
your boyfriend then van der cu'ck?
>>55374704
>Yeah, the thing about free speech is that it doesn't work unless EVERYONE has it.
Except this is liberal trash at it's finest. Speech has power behind it, the objective ruling material relations either back a movement or they don't. Liberal free speech allows fascism to flourish.
>How is that any different from the Marxian slogan of "if you don't work, you don't eat"
That comes from the bible lol.
>In what sense?
In the sense that they don't have access to basic necessities. In the sense that if left to the market, their wages decrease. In the sense that they are ruled over by an economic minority that see's their labour as disposable and competitive commodity. In the sense that no capitalist gives out holidays, weekends, labour rights, maternity leave out of the goodness of their hearts. In the sense that it is inherently imperial. In the sense that it destroys the environment. In the sense that it exploits third world countries for cheap labour and market places simultaneously. Should I go on?
>Yeah no they don't. That's an outrageously wrong claim.
No. They do. I posted a bunch of states but it made my post too big. The USSR was increasing GDP exponentially while the the rest of the capitalist world was in a great depression. Also look at the rights of women (going from chattel slaves to equal members of society), literacy, housing, healthcare, education etc between 1927 - 1953. It's all available
Again, Europe wasn't socialist until after the USSR was already industrialised. I don't consider that an empire but even so, it is not the cause of industrialisation.
>I guess those millions who died in the workcamps were all volunteers then?
Most people in work camps were regular criminals, the population of political prisoners at it's height was around 40% right after ww2, understandably).
Russians leaving Russia =/= colonialism.
http://stalinsmoustache.org/2015/05/15/soviet-affirmative-action-the-harvard-interview-project-of-1950-51/
So, was is happening so far?
>>55374828
Voting in politicians in a capitalist parliament isn't democracy.
Well at least you don't mask your fascism. Yes democracy is good, the ordinary people would not be subservient to dictators and tyrants.
>>55373666
Better to have corrupt politician stealing from foreigners than liberal politicians stealing from locals and giving to foreigners.
Portugal get your shit together.
>>55375183
Netherlands obviously doesn't owe it's economic growth to slavery at the same extent that Britain and America do. And guess what? You're not a superpower.
>>55374442
The Dutch; wooden shoes, wooden heads, wouldn't listen.
Dumbest most arrogant people in Europe. Pure scum, happy you're all being raped by niggers and kebab.
My great-grand father should have never 'freed' your horrible nation.
>>55375713
>fascism
Try again, friend.
People didn't want the Republic when this man here suffered the coup.
>>55375556
I think you've taken your love of south asian rentboys a tad too far.
>>55376119
Forgot pic.
>>55375635
>Liberal free speech allows fascism to flourish.
Firstly, so what, and secondly, it also allows gommunism to flourish. Or are you not exercising your freedom of speech right now to advance a communist position? Free speech is the most basic of all principles, without it you really have nothing and what's worse, you won't even KNOW that you have nothing.
>In the sense that they don't have access to basic necessities
Such as....? They have food, shelter, they're free to seek love if that's their thing, they have tvs and computers and cars or access to public transport... I really don't see what basic needs unemployed workers lack in the capitalist world.
The rest of your "points" are all equally true of communist regimes, and since I'm not pro capitalist anyway I will ignore them. You won't convince anyone by screaming BUT BUT THEY DO IT TOO.
>The USSR was increasing GDP exponentially
That's easy to do when your economy is as tiny as the Russian one was. Compare like with like, as with the image posted above, and you see capitalist countries far outstripping socialist ones when considered over the span of decades.
>Most people in work camps were regular criminals
Sentenced to work to DEATH for the crimes that would have simply got them jail time under capitalism. But I guess we can just ignore all those millions of people because they stole or committed vandalism or said something mean about Stalin so they don't really count.
>>55375601
Enjoy losing half your shit in a divorce, naive boy.
>>55376077
>My great-grand father should have never 'freed' your horrible nation.
I agree. If only Hitler had won, oh how happy we would all be now...
>>55372236
Hey faggot, Catholics are second-highest in support for UKIP.
>>55376159
>>55376119
Your country is also brutally exploited for labour and resources. Thats a result of capitalism, not democracy.
>>55376306
Dutch people are such assholes. Thank God Germany keeps beating you in football.
Deus nos ajude se os comunas forem parar ao governo. Esta vida já é merdosa que chegue...
>>55373066
>a tua merda de língua
That's pretty fucking rich coming from a people whose language sounds like a throat disease.
>>55376330
Brazil was one of the most advanced countries during our Monarchy rule.
Everything after that we suffered was because of materialism greed and thirst for power, being it by capitalists or socialists.
Right now, we're on one of the worst situations this country ever had. The commie governants are destroying our country, economic and morally.
>>55375556
>>55376485
What are you talking about, we all speak German. Dutch is just a meme we made up to annoy foreigners.
>>55376595
The last sane man in Portuguese politics, and you replaced his legacy with commies.
Says it all really.
>>55371070
So Poortugal is starting to recover after years of economic downturn, and leftists are about to come into power.
Doesn't look too good t.b.h. family.
>>55376728
The fucking boomers are a curse in every way.
>>55376240
Free speech implies that every opinion and movement is horizontal in it's power. Capitalist will support any movement which protects their interests. Which is why throughout history, even though they may repress them to begin with, the nobles and the elites foster fascism to deal with the communist threat. Every. single. time.
>They have food, shelter, they're free to seek love if that's their thing, they have tvs and computers and cars or access to public transport... I really don't see what basic needs unemployed workers lack in the capitalist world.
These "basic necessities" were not provided by capitalism, they were fought for by labour unions and (in light of the existence of the socialist countries) were capitulated to to pacify the working class and prevent revolution. These are also being slowly being chipped away.
And no. Communism is not imperialistic.
>>55376240
>That's easy to do when your economy is as tiny as the Russian one was.
Well Tsarist capitalism had failed to do it before then. Only socialism brought those economics achievements to Russia and they were similarly experienced in other socialist countries.
Those countries were wartorn shitholes in 1939 and by 1990 provided basic necessities their for people regardless of national GDP. Look at their employment rates, their life expectancies, their child mortality rates, their homeless rates, gini co-efficient etc. Then, look at the collapse of all these things with the return of capitalism to those countries.
>Sentenced to work to DEATH for the crimes that would have simply got them jail time under capitalism
Well it depends on the capitalist country? Of course Pinochets Chile, Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, basically any Arab monarchy today will execute or give harsh prison sentences for those crimes. Also, they weren't sentenced to death in Gulags and many people were released. The difference was that industrialisation was imperative therefore prisoners became labourers.
>>55376557
Brazil has never had a socialist government. You were also a subjugated colony of Portugal. Basing a countries wellbeing primarily on economic growth is pointless.
>>55376815
That's Portugal, conservatives start cleaning the house, people complain because they are losing the entitlements, Socialist are elected and fuck up the economy.
>>55377287
except socialist weren't elected and found a way through to power
>>55376913
Do you know what's the Fabian Society?
We're one of its experiments.
>You were also a subjugated colony of Portugal
And we had our own monarchy from 1822 until 1889.
>Basing a countries wellbeing primarily on economic growth is pointless
Oh fuck. I thought you said that history was based on material relations in the economy.
Anyway, the well-being and stability of our nation was much better during the monarchy than after it.
Portugal have always been England's bitches. So probably it's a good idea for them to go cry, again, to England/USA.
>>55377429
>>55371070
EU exit when?
>>55376844
>Free speech implies that every opinion and movement is horizontal in it's power
No it doesn't. Ofc some people have a bigger voice than others, and ofc the rich have an advantage in getting their ideas out, just as they have an advantage in nearly everything.
>the elites foster fascism
Fascism is a lumpen proletarian movement, not an elite one. But yes the rich will always try to back the winning side. This is irrelevant to whether free speech is a good or bad thing, since it will happen with or without free speech.
>These "basic necessities" were not provided by capitalism, they were fought for by labour unions
You know how those Unions managed that? By having the freedom to assemble and to organise, the freedom to say "this system is unfair" and the freedom to oppose the state itself without being gunned down or shipped to a gulag. And not everyone has a union job, or even any job at all. No-one has gone without the basic necessities (I don't know why you air-quote that since it was your term) in a western country since the Victorian age, major world wars excepting ofc. Even during the Great Depression, there was very little actual death from starvation.
>Communism is not imperialistic.
That's fine, but communist MOVEMENTS certainly have been. Capitalism isn't imperialistic either, it can run perfectly well on free trade and internal markets, but plenty of capitalists HAVE been moved by their greed to subjugate whole nations to serfdom.
Its ok, the ultimate red pill is having a leftist government, it will open the eyes of many, for every action there's a reaction
>>55376844
>Only socialism brought those economics achievements to Russia and they were similarly experienced in other socialist countries.
The word you're looking for is "peace dividend". Oh wait that's two words. The commies managed to grow the economy of their domain by 100%, which sounds impressive until you consider that the capitalists managed 1,000% over the same period.
>The difference was that industrialisation was imperative therefore prisoners became labourers.
Well that's awfully convenient, after if industrialisation hadn't been "imperative" then communists would be guilty of an appalling act of evil on a par with anything the nazis did. But it WAS imperative, so that's okay.
