Just admit it. You are not red pilled. You only react to the the stimuli the establishment gives you. You're like a dog. If they give you food you'll calm down. They just poke you enough to bark at the direction they want.
>>55370680
You are so blue pilled it's embarrassing to the entire board.
>>55370680
You do realise you're talking about the Communitarian left?
>>55370680
>Greeks in charge of economy
The ironing is killing me here.
>>55370680
PAY DENBTS
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>>55370680
>Just admit it. You are not red pilled. You only react to the the stimuli the establishment gives you. You're like a dog.
>>55370709
Yeah, I know, its Marx's fault for our immigration and Stalin's fault for your cultural decline. It's evident after all. Just never blame the ones who are currently in power. The wouldn't like that. It's cultural Marxism guyz. Huehue just don't look as we take billions out of the economy
>argue on le imageboard
>gommunism
>red pill
Lol
>>55370869
>Yeah, I know, its Marx's fault for our immigration and Stalin's fault for your cultural decline. It's evident after all. Just never blame the ones who are currently in power.
>>55370907
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
Just don't bite, alright? Good boy. Jump!
>>55370984
How do you expect le gommunism to work?
It completely ignores how humans naturally behave. There's a very good reason that the most successful countries are capitalistic and nearly every country is shifting to a capitalist system.
>>55371023
Since you wanna talk and not just say >pinko gtfo you should consider a friendlier approach. Anyway. Listen, you are reversing cause and effect here. When studying communism or capitalism, think worldwide. Not all countries are on the same class. First world countries will always be capitalistic, in that they are the oppressors. Until world socialism (if that is to be) that's not gonna change. Claiming that a society is good because the king is having a good time is null. Poor countries like Malaysia aren't capitalistic in the same sense that you are. They just get in the game, on the part of the exploited. They in turn might exploit someone newer in the game, like Africa. Capitalism is not one thing, it is an interesting system with many expressions. But /pol/ doesn't even examine that.
>>55370680
It's weird how anons here on /pol/ blame Marxism for immigration. When the Marxists were in power in the Soviet Union their cities were not overrun by "niggers".
Mass Immigration is a Capitalist phenomena; it has nothing to do with Marxism.
>>55371023
>It completely ignores how humans naturally behave.
Neoliberal "realism" strikes again.
Faggit.
>>55370680
>You're like a dog
Still better than being a denbt
>>55370869
>Stalin's fault for your cultural decline
he literally purged Europe's religious institutions and heritage
>>55371579
It's funny because even at the beginning of the 19th century educated people held more rounded opinions on reality. Hell, even in 5th century BCE they did. Indoctrination at its finest. Capitalism has made a discrete ontological system independent if reality and names it 'reality'.
>>55371359
Do you not realize the technological and quality of life changes thanks to Capitalism?
Visit the poorest parts of the US, everyone has running water, TV, computer with internet, shelter, libraries and such, proper food etc.
Yes there is wealth inequality(the "king" like you said). But just because I have $5,000,000 and someone in the US has $50 billion it doesn't matter to me or make me worse off, as long as I have what I need.
The fact of the matter is that wealth is not finite, you can create wealth, and capitalism has resulted in highly increasing the average quality of life, versus keeping everyone low, but "equal".
>>55371579
>Hurrr durrr THIS TIME, *MY* brand of communism will be successful and will lead to a prosperous life for all instead of just people working all day for their government. Never mind economics 101 or history xDDD
pic related
>Greece
>"You are not red pilled"
I wonder what the fuck happened with Greece, they used to be the birthplace of philosophy and western culture, it's been at least 2 thousand years since the last decent Greek mind was born.
>>55371784
Oh, I see. You aren't as stupid as you presented yourself to be in the begininning. Is this some sort of anti-communist strategy? Wtf you libertarians are really bleeding for the companies (using one of the "fallacies" in your picture).
On the subject matter, I agree with almost everything you said. All communists do. Capitalism has elevated masses of people out of poverty. Unless we change our system to socialism they will go back to poverty and we'll have a population decline as it already happened countless times in history when there was disharmony between workers/owners. No one here is denying the importance of capitalism; we just need to control the forces of production because after the productive stage always comes a destructive stage.
>>55371023
gobbunsim doesn't need to work, the whole point was that it was inevitable sooner or later.
When you remove all the social contradictions based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion etc the last one will be class. Give it 100 years.
>>55372185
That's a really bad approach to equality. I'm sure some people have it in the Left but they sure are my enemies (much more than you fucking peasants are).
>>55372227
That's the approach of Marx faggot. He believed that capitalism is the biggest force that drives society apart while shit like the bible held it together. The bible is long gone now.
>>55372344
Capitalism does drive society part and identity politics is just part of it. But I don't agree with it. That's one my big problems with this system. It's retarded, authoritarian and reduces your quality of life. I don't worship Marx either; he is not the Jesus to my communism. I'd much rather follow Jesus tbqh.
>>55372433
Ofcourse, what is actually gonna happen is that the West will be irreversibly faggotized and then wiped out by our enemies who don't live in a post-modern fantasy land. Whitey is 9% of the population and the shitskins will take Marx and your notions of egalitarianism, libertarianism, or whatever the fuck other nonsense and wipe their asses with it.
>>55370680
>syriza voters
>on /pol/
>>55372532
I agree with what you said. Weird. I don't know what your beliefs are but I've reached the same conclusion with only one divergence, that we MIGHT take matters in our hand. More of an abstract hope desu.
>>55372589
>voting for the syriza jew
>ever
>>55371023
>It completely ignores how humans naturally behave.
Yes, yes. You heard this from your friends and couldn't think of a counter argument so it must be true. Except it's quite wrong in all regards.
Communism is about ownership of the means of production, i.e. who earns the surplus made from the tools we use to create valuable goods.
If your statement is correct, then capitalism would go against human nature in that it allows a few to earn all the surplus. The workers would naturally want that surplus themselves, thus they would choose communism.
If your statement is false then capitalism goes against human nature in that human nature is one of living in a group. What is best for the group benefits the individuals. Thus they would choose communism.
So capitalism is the wrong choice whether humans are selfish by nature or not.
>>55372643
> your beliefs
Fascism, un-ironically.
>>55372774
Since you're interested in this, I suggest reading Kropotkin's work on co-operation. He argues that for much of human history humanity (and thus human nature) relied on co-operation and not on competition.
>>55372774
>If your statement is correct, then capitalism would go against human nature in that it allows a few to earn all the surplus.
Someone started a business, dedicated lots of time and effort to it and now he can't enjoy its profits?
>>55372855
Lol, makes sense. I don't know man. It seems that the communists succeeded in deconstructing the old world (which didn't turn out very well) and the libertarians succeeded in destontructing communism (which didn't go well for the common man either). It seems it's just a matter of who's on top and ideologies are tools.
>>55372942
>>55372774
Capitalism gives me everything I need tbqh. Why would I ever want to change it?
>>55373056
I'm not suggesting changing what works for you out of the blue. I'm suggesting talking about history, economics and the world in an adult manner. That said, things will change in one direction or the other and what works for you will eventually stop working for some people etc. It's all a matter of where you want things to go next and that's a matter of human choice. Thus, socialism allows for free will.
>>55373181
Socialism favors losers, Capitalism favors winners.
You know you don't have to work for other people under capitalism, right? You can start a business.
>>55372942
Yep. Ideology is only a tool, at the top the heads of the hydra may have territorial disputes but they are all international globalists with the same agenda.
Agenda: Globalist world system, erosion of state sovereignty, consolidation of power and Capital.
Thesis: United States, freedumbs, international liberalism, NATO, liberal interventionsim, international finance, American dream, right wing authoritariansim
Anti-Thesis: Soviet Union, Social Justice, International solidarity, anti-colonialism, anti-racism, egalitarianism, Left Wing Authoritarian Police state.
Synthesis: globalist Totalitarian Police State dystopia, Brave New World type shithole, Zero National sovreignty, Supremacy of International Finance SJW, Femenist Faggot wonderland propped up by vast military surveillance infrastructure, population control, internet as opium for the masses who become much dumber than they where during the Victorian age.
>>55373399
This makes sense. We need to somehow "break" the dialectic. Which is improbable, kinda like Neo in the Matrix style.
>>55373283
Idiot.
>>55370984
Cringed, its funny because the meme of psychology didnt even exist in Marx's time
>>55371666
proofs and no propaganda, please?
>>55371541
Marxism failed (repeatedly)
Marxists rebranded (The workers in the first world are too comfy to revolt, better switch tactics)
Rebranding became 'gradualist' approach ie. socialism by the back door
this requires destroying strong nation states (immigration, attacking tradition, critical theory)
modern marxists employ the above techniques to bring about socialism.
The turtle represents gradualism, these guys founded British Labour party.
>>55375163
Show me a Soviet city that was overrun by "niggers".
>>55375219
Good point. No wait it wasn't. Mass immigration is to prepare the west for Marxism as our institutions were to strong and established to fall to in. socialism worked in the USSR cause it was enforced at gunpoint. Especially in the USA, they cannot do this. So they've switched tactics.
>>55375163
Their other logo.
Modern liberalism is Fabian socialism.
>>55375470
>>55375420
>Mass immigration is to prepare the west for Marxism
Neoliberal Capitalism is responsible for the mass immigration. Capitalists believe in the free movement of capital, produce and people.
There is a good reason Hitler called himself a "National Socialist" and not a "National Capitalist"; Capitalism is the enemy.
If you think "Marxism" is responsible for our county being overrun by "niggers", you've been Jewed...
>>55370680
Marx himself states he was not a Marxist
Checkmate commies
>>55375577
Socialism/Capitalism/Gobbunism - to blame,
Mfw the jews will always win
Who are "they"?
I'm not exactly sure how any form of authoritarianism can be considered redpilled, either communism or fascism.
Communism seems particularly dumb though, since it's about workers taking away the power from government and then willingly giving it back to an authoritarian ruler.
>>55370869
>Yeah, I know, its Marx's fault for our immigration
Marxism Is extremely anti nationalism
>>55375577
>Neoliberal Capitalism is responsible for the mass immigration
You don't seem to be typing this out of malice, so I'll just throw some food for thought here.
How many people who want to live in New York are currently living in New York?
Probably only a small percentage.
Think about it. Take Americans only, so that in our example they only have to deal with state borders instead of national borders. As far as I know, Americans can come and go as they please inside the US.
If you imagine the states as countries, it's pretty much a free immigration, open borders world. Yet, New York and all other big and rich cities don't get swarmed and flooded with rednecks and niggers from all over the country.
Why?
Because living in New York is too fucking expensive.
Take the niggers, sandniggers, beaners, etc. that are flooding Western Europe. Do you think they have the education, skills and experience to fund the high cost of living that comes with living in these countries? Of course not.
They're flooding because the government makes it artificially possible for them to survive here. Food stamps, housing subsidies, free healthcare and government-created jobs all help attract immigrants seeking the good life of western democracies. All libertarians agree that open borders is only sane and viable once the welfare state has been abolished.
An hypothetical Ancapistan would be one of the last choices for these immigrants, because Ancapistan wouldn't offer them free stuff out of pity and white guilt. They would have to work and survive just like everyone else. Why emigrate to Ancapistan, where I would have to compete with everyone else for resources, clients and opportunities, when I can emigrate to Germany or the UK, where they'll give me a house and a job just because they feel sorry for me?
>>55371854
Bakunin triggers marxists.
>Communism is allowed and encouraged by the establishment even after it killed 200 million people
HMMMMMM
>>55372185
>When you remove all the social contradictions based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion etc
Give it 100 years? Where are the eugenics to make that happen? Do you really believe social constructivism?
Stupid postmodernist faggots.
>>55376799
remember the 200 billions oy vey!
>>55372774
>Thus they would choose communism.
This argument is pathetic. You just over simplified human nature to defend your point.
Google "nash equilibrium" faggot. Communism is not a nash equilibrium because it's easy and profitable to be corrupt and/or a parasite. While under capitalism, or any system that existed for more than a few decades, everybody is already expected to act on their self interest and therefore you gain no advantage by acting on your self interest instead of the community/collective.
>inb4 muh capitalismus is individualistic and selfish
Unselfish acts aren't forbidden in capitalism duh.
>>55376707
>They're flooding because the government makes it artificially possible for them to survive here.
Illegal immigrants can't get welfare.
They flock to the "expensive" city slums because that's where the easy to find shit work is. They are just another black face in the crowd, they come to cities to disappear.
Illegals are good for business; here in london they will work for £3 an hour.
le gommunism is gud!
never mind all the deaths and people living in poverty and trying to flee their country :D:DDD
>>55376958
>National socialism accidently kills 200k jews
>Worst thing ever
>jewish communism starves and murders 200 million people
>marxist communist clubs at every college
HMMMMMM
>>55377478
>There's no way Nazis could kill 6,000,000 Jews
>Stalin definitely killed 200,000,000 nice middle class people.
Never change /pol/, never change.
There is some misunderstanding here. No one is saying we should bring down our society to build a communist one. Our society already has socialist elements (or else it wouldn't function). We just need to enhance those while at the same time studying for the future. Make it easier for the average person to be sovereign and for the poor to be educated. I don't want to live in some futuristic capitalist dystopia where robots take our jobs and people are starving on the streets. How is that revolutionary? It's basic humanism, the same thing that made capitalism great, if you want.
Pay debts
>>55372898
Of course he can. But not at the expense of the people he works with. No man can run a large business alone. The people he hires do work as well, making products, selling them and contributing to profit creation. Despite this, most (if not all) of the profit goes to the investors and owners. There are other ways.
>>55373056
Do you own invested capital? Do you own your share of your workplace? If yes, then I completely understand why you would defend it.
>>55377103
It was a simplification, of course. No one would argue that my post was the complete story. It was just a point I made to help others understand why there was so much support for communism in the late 1800's / early 1900's. Times were very different back then and people were exploited much harder than they are now. The communist uprisings were a huge part of why the welfare state was implemented and why social security policies were passed. Read the reason behind Bismarck's welfare state to see how he gave workers just enough to make them shut up, but not enough to abolish the old paradigm.
Of course, communism is fairly dead atm, and we can choose whatever system we like.
>>55377103
>You just over simplified human nature
Neoliberal "realism" strikes again!
Endless idiocy...
>>55377578
Are you retarded? Communism wasn't just Stalin, but dozens of tyrannic regimes in different countries. Their death toll easily reaches 200 million.
>>55377981
>Their death toll easily reaches 200 million.
hehe
Yeah, right...
>>55377773
I am not neoliberal you faggot. And you didn't address my argument you just went straight to an ad hom. If there is a way to build gommunism it will be by means radically different from marxism or any form of socialism existent(at least ones that I know) and it will involve eugenics and 1984 style state control. You can't deny that.
>>55370680
All you leftist faggots read that.
>>55377578
>Holocaust
>5 years
>in middle of a war
>communism
>nearly a century of rule in the most populous continent
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>missing the point that one genocidal regime is allowed but the other isn't because of the religion of the victims
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>55370680
Of course a fucking subhuman Greek would support communism, you disgust me. Literally another parasite on Europe, wait for the jack boots t drag you away and gas all you subhuman shits. Take your shilling else where you penniless shit eater.
>>55378095
>. You can't deny that.
Do you know what "slippery slope fallacy" is?
>>55378197
>200,000,000
You think 200,000,000 might show up as a dent on UN demographic records?
Or, did you just make up a figure off the top of your head?
>>55378182
Ted was a good guy so no ad hominems here. I just disagree with him. He has some primitivist ideas of the individual being some sort of alpha caveman or something.
Reminder that National Socialism is fundamentally better. Also
>b8 thread
>>55378212
Y so mad?
>>55378361
To be honest family, Victorian Capitalism is the GOAT.
>>55378232
How is it a slippery slope fallacy? You have a goal(gomunism) and means (socialism, marxism, faggotism). These means can be successful or failures and anything but " it will involve eugenics and 1984 style state control" will probably be a failure. Because they are basically all theories of weak people that can't deal with reality. And keep coming up with utopias and ways of reaching them that wish away aspects of reality and project their lack of personal responsibility. I.e. leftists are just weakly inferior faggots.
Also read:
>>55378182
>>55378288
I picked a random high number because wanted to trigger pinko commies. Doesn't deny the fact that communism killed way more people than National socialism but is still allowed because the victims weren't g*d's chosen but stupid goy.
>>55371359
Is this all an elaborate ruse to get out of paying denbts?
>>55378692
Naturally.
>>55378288
Also
>200,000,000 is nothing anyway let us try gommunism again :D
Jesus christ
>>55378503
>How is it a slippery slope fallacy?
In the UK in 1945 we elected a Socialist Government under the Premiership of Clement Attlee, who established the Post War economic consensus. Across Western Europe Socialist Governments were democratically elected, and democratically unelected. Then re-elected, etc, etc...
At no point did they turn into authoritarian dystopias; quite the opposite, most Western European countries turned into successful Social Democratic countries.
> And keep coming up with utopias and ways of reaching them that wish
The strawman cometh...
>>55378741
You do know the total population of Soviet Russia was just 180 million in the 1930s?
>>55370680
i can give you communsims dirty greek pig
>>55378752
England has historically had the best approach to the subject imo. Still enjoys some relative democracy compares to other countries.
>>55370680
What you described is a communist "dupe."
Pay denbts has been.
>>55378872
Democratic Socialism has proved successful.
Note to the retards: Democratic Socialism isn't Marxism, nor is it Communism.
>>55378827
No thanks, I don't want Aids with it .
>>55378752
I am talking about COMMUNISM. communism=/=socialism=/=marxism. Communism is an anarchist utopia you are supposed to reach through marx's ideas.
>>55370680
Kill yourself shitposting kike
>>55378827
hahaha
Good one ruskbro
>>55378964
Communism is a Stateless, classless society.
The right wing have the same fantasy.
>>55370984
How basic entry level reddit can you get?
>>55377291
That's bad for business because it lowers the standard wages and floods the market with cheap labor so that teenagers or college students have nowhere to work where they can get decent pay
>>55379236
Why do weak, servile people love socialism?
>>55379067
Am I already /plebbit/ without knowing it? I still cringe at visiting /r/fullcommunism. I might go to /r/socialism.
>>55379236
>That's bad for business
I can assure you business owners regard low wages as good for business, for obvious reasons.
>>55379017
> Stateless
That is exclusively anarcho capitalists or maybe some fringe movements too
> classless society.
If you mean class in a marxist sense (ownership/not of means of production) I heard that only from fascists and nazis. Hint: these borrow things from socialism, they just abandon the idea of equality in non legal equity sense(they like meritocracy and military hierarchies) and in the case of the nazis this no leftist-nutty equality is only valid for germans in the german state( now you get why there is a "national" along "socialism")
A democratic society setting economic rules? That's for the weak goy! O-open the Markets!
>>55379458
>I heard that only from fascists and nazis. Hint: these borrow things from socialism,
Nazis promoted the competition of market economics, they were against "common ownership".
When the Nazis seized power they privatized everything they could.
>>55371359
Individuals form countries, and individual freedom is at the basis of the capitalist liberal democracy. Communist redistribution, even if we were all ok with it, severely erodes that individual freedom for those born into it.
>dogs and masters
Communism still trends towards a ruling class of authoritarian bearucrats.
Capitalism may be a rigged game with odds very much against me, but it's better than playing a game I don't even get to have fun in and where I have a literal zero chance of winning.
WHOA YOU'RE RIGHT....THE JEWS WERE JUST A COVER..every jew behind communism and the takeover of countries was a mere cohencidence...wow just wow how far down does the rabbit hole really go haha
>>55379658
I'm not against classical capitalism or its Ideals per say - I'm totally against Singapore style authoritarian/fascist free-market style economics though. Same in Thailand, in Pinochet's Chile. I don't think the Western model was that bad but it also gravitates towards market absolutism.
> All these /pol/acks saying that marxism has infiltrated the media
> This is complete BS
> Let me tell you why
> Communism is not neo liberalism. The ideology of every single western country today is infact neo liberalism. Neo liberalism is not communism. Neo liberalism is not communism.
Infact, if you guys knew anything about communists today you would know that communist hate the current system massively. The reason we don't see massive communist revolutions is because communism in western countries is a big joke and everyone is a wuss and has 0% potential to grow
> LGBT rights or todays radical feminism also doesn't have to anything with communism at all.
> Communist party of russia issued a vote in Russia that wanted to outright OUTLAW homosexuality.
Vote for our stump! He's huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh!
>>55370680
> it will work this time!
![large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vUKiIqP.jpg "large[1].jpg")
>>55379916
>Youngstown, OH
This is so fitting for Greece you don't even know, hellenicbro
>>55370680
>people react to their environment
>therefore, the answer is that the people should react to their environment
>i know it sounds like capitalism but let's call it communism lol
>MARX WUZ JEENYUS XDDD
hurr muh marx
>>55379559
Nope, nazis had a strong state control over corporations and private sectors. They just were decentralized compared to bolshevists. Have you actually ever read anything written by nazis about nazis, not written by adorno's paranoid anti fascists about nazis?
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm
Remember that practice=/= theory.
>promoted the competition of market economics
Unfunded ridiculous assertion, they even had price controls(tough hitler had a classical liberal economic adviser)
>>55379886
> LGBT rights or todays radical feminism also doesn't have to anything with communism at all.
No, they have a connection through neomarxism, the communism of russia is orthodox marxism.
Jeez you are all politically illiterate.
>>55370680
>There's no personal views in a world without freewill
>>55380161
>Nope, nazis had a strong state control over corporations and private sectors. T
No.
The Nazis allowed companies to compete against one another, especially for Government contracts. This is why there were so many manufacturers producing such a variety of equipment and weaponry in WW2. The State did not support industry.
> Have you actually ever read anything written by nazis about nazis,
Here's an academic economic study of the massive Nazi privatization program:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2006/09/nazi_privatizat.html
>Unfunded ridiculous assertion,
It's a fact.
Hitler believed struggle and competition were vital for maintaining the vitality of the spirit. This is detailed in Mein Kampf. Competition is central to Nazi ideology.
/pol/'s REAL ideology:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscurantism
>>55370680
>tfw National Syndicalist
>right-wing hates you
>left-wing hates you
>everybody hates you
>>55381228
Are you French-Canadian? Do you like Sorel's work?
>>55380632
I didn't expressed myself properly. Hitler didn't promoted free market economics because of the definition of "free market" I am using.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market
"A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority."
Competition doesn't means necessarily free market economics in that sense.
From your own text which basically says that hitler gave some power over corporations to people that weren't directly involved with the state to earn influence:
" in Nazi Germany privatization was applied within a framework of increasing control of the state over the whole economy through regulation and political interference."
Therefore not free market.
And cut out that shit of trying to convince people that capitalism is evil cuz hitler. It's not going to work with me, I have nothing against nazism.
>>55370680
Nope.
Source: entitled dindus everywhere
>>55373283
Can a poor farmer in Bangladesh start a business after the state sells his land to an american corporation? Can an american kicked out of his house at 18 with no job or house start a business?
>>55381972
Everyone can start a business and be like Bill Gates in the mind of middle-class class North American kids. And when they fail they'll tell you 'well, I support the right of one individual in a million to do it'. They will try to tell you its worth suffering for someone else to make it, while at the same time defending ethical egoism and 'every man for himself'.
>>55381853
>Hitler didn't promoted free market economics
I didn't say he did.
>Competition doesn't means necessarily free market economics
I know. That's why I never mentioned the "free" market.
>From your own text which basically says that hitler gave some power over corporations
It's apparent you didn't read it.
>free market
You do know the "free" market is an ideal? It doesn't exist.
>>55383013
>I didn't say he did.
...
>Nazis promoted the competition of market economics
You made it look like that here.
Correcting
From your own text which basically says that hitler gave some power over government corporations to private allies.
It's basically a king who offers some land to a vassal, the king still rules the land it just doesn't expend money on it.(Read about "capitanias hereditárias" from my country)
>You do know the "free" market is an ideal? It doesn't exist.
A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand ARE FREE FROM INTERVENTION BY AN AUTHORITY.
That doesn't sound hard to happen.
No, it exists, it's certainly more practicable than communism, anarchy etc. It just doesn't bring the intended consequences like the libertarians say it would.
>Communist Manifesto
Das Kapital is the real redpill.
>>55383683
>You made it look like that here.
No. You made an erroneous inference.
It is a fact Nazi Germany had a market economy; competition was central to its operation.
>From your own text which basically says that hitler gave some power over government corporations
It's apparent you didn't read the text.
"It is a fact that the government of the National Socialist Party sold off public ownership in state-owned firms in the middle of the 1930s. The firms belonged to a wide range of sectors: steel, mining, banking, local public utilities, shipyard, ship-lines, railways, etc. In addition to this, delivery of some public services produced by public administrations prior to the 1930s, especially social services and services related to work..."
>A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers,
This is an ideal. It doesn't exist.
>>55370680
>the current year
>believing in santa clause
>>55383897
>market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set FREELY by CONSENT between vendors and consumers,
define properly freely and consent and we may have a deal.
>No. You made an erroneous inference.
That's exactly what I said I did duh. You'd should express yourself better next time. Any person with strong libertarian leanings would instantly imply that.
>From your own text which basically says that hitler gave some power over government corporations
>It's apparent you didn't read the text.
>"It is a fact that the government of the National Socialist Party sold off public ownership in state-owned firms in the middle of the 1930s. The firms belonged to a wide range of sectors: steel, mining, banking, local public utilities, shipyard, ship-lines, railways, etc. In addition to this, delivery of some public services produced by public administrations prior to the 1930s, especially social services and services related to work..."
The state still had large influence over them:
" in Nazi Germany privatization was applied within a framework of increasing control of the state over the whole economy through regulation and political interference."
Your own text says that. As I said: a king who offers some land to a vassal, the king still rules the land it just doesn't expend money on it.(Read about "capitanias hereditárias" from my country)
Your text says that he did so to reduce spendings by the state and to earn political support:
"Of particular relevance were increased political support and, especially, a combination of increased revenue and expenditure relief to the German Treasury."
But fuck it. This whole discussion is happening probably because you have withing yourself that " capitalism/free market is evil cuz hitler".(no shit sherlock, right wingers liking competition)
I am a social Darwinist (in the way leftists define it) and I don't care shit how evil, immoral etc you think I am.
>>55385185
>define properly freely and consent and we may have a deal.
It isn't possible to give "consent" when there's a disparity in power. If one party in a negotiation has greater leverage, any agreement is made under duress.
>That's exactly what I said
No it isn't. You suggested I had implied Nazi Germany had a"free" market. I did not.
>The state still had large influence over them:
Nazi Germany had a market economy. This is a fact.
Of course, the German State had dirigiste policies in order to ensure production of war material.
>But fuck it. This whole discussion is happening probably because you have withing yourself that " capitalism/free market is evil cuz hitler"
The strawman cometh...
>>55370680
Tune into any mainstream political discussion. Government regulation of the economy and all-encompassing welfare systems are considered common sense, while laissez-faire is seen as a radical pipe dream.
The left is clearly the establishment today.
>>55385717
Neoliberals have been in the economic driving seat since the early 1980s.
Fuck you kike lover, Marxism is a fucking plague!
>>55380070
Ohio has a lot of Greek references in its town's and county's names. They really got onboard with the founding father's vision.
>>55385765
not seeing it
>>55370680
He does make some good points- like false consciousness. One needs look no further than faux news or/pol/ to see that in action.
>How should I troll /pol/ today?
>Post as Swede saying multiculturalism is best
>Nah too passé
>I know
>Post as the worst economy in the europe
>Praise communism even though leftism has destroyed greece
>ayy lmao best ruse
>mfw over 100 replies
>>55386006
>The Washington Consensus never happened...
Idiot.
Heil Marx and Engels , on of the biggest german thinker. I love my german culture , the have so many philsophs and writer like nietsche,kant,goethe,feuerbach and so on. German communsim= true communsim , read the manifest. Marx call his communism the german,true communsim!
>>55386574
Yeah, if the revolution happened in Germany it would've changed the world.
>>55385669
>No it isn't. You suggested I had implied Nazi Germany had a"free" market. I did not.
It takes to to tango...
>It isn't possible to give "consent" when there's a disparity in power. If one party in a negotiation has greater leverage, any agreement is made under duress.
Aha! Now you've really made your point.
>Nazi Germany had a market economy. This is a fact.
So people bought shit instead of staying in bread lines. How awesome. The strawman came cuz you don't really notice the pointlessness of this discussion. People of different ideologies use different definitions for worlds and believe different things, therefore I need to pick on you to figure out what is your ideology. I could've asked but there is no fun in that.
So you like Bakunin and Foucault. Then good luck with destroying evil power structures of power that oppresss people into being oppressed in violent hierarchies. Just remember that there are superior and inferior people, so it's no surprise there are going to be people in the top or in the bottom of hyerarchies and that the top might not always be benevolent.
>Violence is the gold standard, the reserve that guarantees order. In actuality, it is better than a gold standard, because violence has universal value. >Violence transcends the quirks of philosophy, religion, technology, and culture. () It's time to quit worrying and learn to love the battle axe. History teaches us that if we don't, someone else will.
Jack Donovan
Bye.
>>55386574
>nietsche,kant,goethe,feuerbach
Hegel, and the big man himself...
Pic related.
>>55386792
Yes , i forget him. Hegel! Read them , its very interesting
>>55386044
He also warned that when the bourgeoisie start pushing for communism us proles better watch the fuck out.
Turns out he was exactly right:
>profits from capitalism go to the ruling class ("free market")
>confiscated (tax) money goes to the ruling class (subsidies, grants, pork)
>losses from capitalism get spread out to the working class (too big to fail)
>losses in social policies result in funding cuts (austerity)
>>55386775
>It takes to to tango...
You made an erroneous inference.
>People of different ideologies use different definitions for worlds and believe different things
I use orthodox definitions that are applied in political science.
>So you like Bakunin and Foucault.
Triggered...
>Just remember that there are superior and inferior people
200 years ago Stephen Hawking would have been considered a retard.
>Violence is the gold standard,
Typical Libertarian, only understands zero-sum coercion.
>>55386769
What do you think about the revolution in greece? It is possible? would you support it?
>jack donovan
>>55371658
He's the foundation for the modern NEET, crying for basic income as they masturbate in their parents' basement.
>>55387315
Basic income is a right wing idea.
>>55387042
I'm not sure m8, I'm still studying. I'm not very revolutionary right now. I want to visit Europe first and she what's happening there too.
The list is not perfect some of them just really dosent work, but others of them like anarchosydicalism worked really good.
>>55387433
Not a bait, i ask only because i want to know something about it. the media in germany doesnt report really good about the sitation in greece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZj1emEb1-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBUghuYSLdE
>Should the Jew, with the aid of his Marxist creed, triumph over the people of this world, his Crown will be the funeral wreath of mankind, and this planet will once again follow its orbit through ether, without any human life on its surface, as it did millions of years ago.
you are so blue pill you are harmful to the human race
every time they try communism millions of people die
fuck you OP
>>55387651
Okay. Yes, we have a left government niwz but nothing us happening. They are conformists. The people are tired and just want a job. That's about it. I don't really think revolution is on the way.
>>55387786
And what is with the radical left movement like the anarchist , communist and so on? I saw a video youtube there anarchist throw molotovs on police.
>>55371658
That's really an unfair analysis of Marx, it's like saying Diogenes (I am in no way saying Marx is anywhere near as good a philosopher as Diogenes, by the way) was a homeless, jobless, societal burden. He certainly was, but he was also brilliant. That image is pretty much the definition of ad hominem, besides the last line, which isn't even true.
>>55388156
>ad hominem,
Indeed.
The idiots who post that pic don't realize the joke is on them.
>>55388012
Yeah, lots of anarchists. They're actually making a federation right now. They're not throwing molotovs lately, but were organizing.
better dead than red
>>55387040
>I use orthodox definitions that are applied in political science.
I am not versed in political science, neither most people are.
>200 years ago Stephen Hawking would have been considered a retard.
Yes, so what? Tough he takes beatings from his wife, at least according to the rumors, and he is cücked.
Inferiority, superiority are abstract concepts that need a standard, like superior or inferior dick size, we could define it as the bigger the better or what would be more pleasing to women in average. Each society has it's particular standard, but I take a general empirical one: Who is on top has the properties that make him superior, who is on the bottom, lacks them. A person more apt to cunning will certainly deceive unintelligent ones and gain things from them, be it money, political support or sex. So if a society rewards intelligence and cunning, people with different quantities of these will segregate in different positions on the power levels. And these traits are determined by genetic factors to a non negligible degree. Thus your socio constructivist theories and hatred of the sovereign corporation you call state will just shift the power to younger superior people who want to do away with the established elites, they won't do away with it.
>Typical Libertarian, only understands zero-sum coercion.
Libertarian... kek.
Do you mean so that persuasion might be a form of coercion and stuff like that? Well, libertarians don't misunderstand coercion as zero sum. They define it that way. "People of different ideologies use different definitions for worlds and believe different things"
If you get scammed by somebody, who did not lied or threatened you, because you are a fool, libertarians basically don't care. They bestow on people something called personal responsibility. Which is a point you and a lot of people disagree with right? "people of different ideologies use different definitions for worlds and believe different things".
>>55377103
>Google "nash equilibrium" faggot. Communism is not a nash equilibrium because it's easy and profitable to be corrupt and/or a parasite.
Literally wat. Being profitable by parasiting as opposed to otherwise has nothing to do with things being or not being in Nash's equilibrium.
>While under capitalism, or any system that existed for more than a few decades, everybody is already expected to act on their self interest and therefore you gain no advantage by acting on your self interest instead of the community/collective.
>therefore you gain no advantage by acting on your self interest instead of the community/collective.
Literally wat 2. It's almost as if you completely misunderstood Nash's equilibrium. When things are in the equilibrium, it's exactly in it because given everyone else's selfish choices YOU ARE PENALIZED for changing your choice to a non-selfish one.
>Unselfish acts aren't forbidden in capitalism
Yeah, right, in the same way it's not forbidden to walk out of your window from your office on the 30th floor, I guess.
>>55370680
>believing in statism
>not accepting the UPB
>believing in forced redistribution of wealth
you will eventually grow out of this phase OP
for now all I can do for you is share with you
the real red pill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdszXHpYz2o
>>55388422
>So if a society rewards intelligence and cunning, people with different quantities of these will segregate in different positions on the power levels.
Are you suggesting accidents of birth should be the organizing principle of society? A strong man should be at liberty to use his strength to dominate others? Metaphorically, of course.
> And these traits are determined by genetic factors to a non negligible degree.
Traits are determined by many different factors, genetic, epigenetic, congenital, environmental, cultural, etc, etc... As I said, Stephen Hawking would have been considered a drooling waste of space in 1800. In 2015 he's regarded as a respected theorist in his field.
>Do you mean so that persuasion might be a form of coercion
>They bestow on people something called personal responsibility
"Heads I win, tails you lose...".
If I control the information that you require to determine prices, I have power over the market.
>>55388564
>Literally wat. Being profitable by parasiting as opposed to otherwise has nothing to do with things being or not being in Nash's equilibrium.
He's right, the term is called Tragedy of the Commons though.
Nice one disregarding his argument because it was called something else though. Top notch defenders of communism in this thread.
>>55388721
>stefan molyneux
Marx has hair. Your guy doesn't. The Free Market won.
>>55388564
>Literally wat. Being profitable by parasiting as opposed to otherwise has nothing to do with things being or not being in Nash's equilibrium.
Do you know the prisoner dilemma? Basically being an asshole in communism is the same as betraying the other prisoner. If you are working and everybody is too you are doing the 1year sentence. If you are a lazy faggot while everybody works you got the sentence 0 year sentence while everybody is doing the 20 year one.
>Literally wat 2. It's almost as if you completely misunderstood Nash's equilibrium. When things are in the equilibrium, it's exactly in it because given everyone else's selfish choices YOU ARE PENALIZED for changing your choice to a non-selfish one.
I don't see how that contradicts my statement.
"you gain no advantage by acting on your self interest["imply a compared to communism" here]"
Capitalism is the 5 year sentence.
This theory is perfectly consistent with reality. In soviet russia people parasited others and there was no incentive to work(welfare recipients do that too), in capitalism either you work or you gonna go hungry.
Yeah, right, in the same way it's not forbidden to walk out of your window from your office on the 30th floor, I guess.
Your point would you mind?
>>55389046
>He's right, the term is called Tragedy of the Commons though.
Except it makes even less sense then.
>Nice one disregarding his argument because it was called something else though.
I'm not obliged to guess what other words he supposedly meant to use, especially if he tells people to "google it, faggot". So much for muh top notch communism basher. I also did not came to defend communism, but to express my wtf with non sequiturs. Go fuck yourself.
>>55370680
>the establishment
are you referring to the jews?
>>55389364
Did you grow up in SU?
>>55370680
Anyone read the works of Bukharin?
>>55389303
>Do you know the prisoner dilemma?
I know the prisoner dilemma and I don't need your 101 on it. You don't understand what you're saying yourself.
>Communism is not a nash equilibrium because it's easy and profitable to be corrupt and/or a parasite.
But it's exactly the reason why people becoming parasites IS the nash equilibrium. Just like in the prisoners dilemma the equilibrium is for everyone to defect. Are you sure you know what you're talking about at all?
>I don't see how that contradicts my statement. "you gain no advantage by acting on your self interest["imply a compared to communism" here]". Capitalism is the 5 year sentence.
Except this again has nothing to do with being or not being in Nash equilibrium whatsoever. You're comparing apples and oranges.
>"in comparison with communism".
In other words, you try and compare two different payoff matrixes with two different Nash equilibriums, destructive in their own way. Yes, parasiting by not working doesn't pay off as well in communism matrix as in capitalism matrix. But then parasiting by exploiting your workers and common resources pays off even better. The abovementioned Tragedy of Commons, especially in "muh unregulated free markets" is a Nash equilibrium, whereas in communism by coercing all players or working with the limited resource only as a single entity you can avoid it.
>Your point would you mind?
My point is that it's braindead to claim that nonselfish behavior is not penalized in capitalism when it clearly is. If in your unselfish desire to save the common limited forest you'll chop less of it, everyone else will just take advantage of your choice and chop more. End result: the forest is gone anyway and you are penalized for your choice by having less money. I'm not sure how this is not apparent.
>>55389770
>Greece is trying to explain how economies work
>introduce marxism
>doesnt believe that people will stop work
>since Greece never began
>>55390143
*Yes, parasiting by not working doesn't pay off as well in capitalism matrix as in communism matrix.
If people want to blame AH for writing Mein Kampf and claim that it "helped inspire the holocau$t," why is the Jew Marx never blamed for his writings that ultimately led to the deaths of hundreds of millions of people throughout the world? In particular, for what his poison did to the people of Russia and Eastern Europe. His Jewish comrades were VERY quick to realize its usefulness in overthrowing the established order in Russia and went from there. There Jew Lazar Kaganovich Personally oversaw the Holodomor in Ukraine, where 8-10 million people who resisted "collectivization" were deliberately starved to death. Makes me crazy to see the Jews hunting down 96 year old female German typists from WW 2, but all the Jewish Butchers who killed millions in the KGB basements and in gulags are living comfortably in Israel.
>>55389303
Also get your facts straight.
>In soviet russia people parasited others and there was no incentive to work(welfare recipients do that too), in capitalism either you work or you gonna go hungry.
No, in soviet russia you were obliged to work. If you didn't work for a long time, you were charged with social parasitism and made to work. So there was enough incentive to work. What there wasn't, is the incentive to work harder than the next guy. Please don't compare that with welfare suckers, kthxbai.
>>55392208
Thanks for the corrections. It's hard to get information straight with these ideological wars.
>>55378182
Lol, read this...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-entertainment/201206/conservatism-mental-illness
>>55392862
This is just a buzzfeed list with the opinions of a dude who happens to be a phd.
There are idiots in every ideology and subculture.
Tough leftists have a great thing for denial for reality.
>>55393039
Calm your titties, Tonto and have a sip.
>>55393209
Neoliberal "realism" strikes again...
>>55394049
Neoliberal...
I am not neoliberal. I am something worse than a fascist
>>55370680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6sIEfruXe4
The faux-matriarchal Satanic Marxian Zionist society at work, gentlemen. Look at the smiles on their faces. Look at how they are enjoying themselves. Chaos is what reigns in the world of their making.
There are messages for you willful proponents of Satan.
"Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap." Galatians 6:7
"...and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Revelations 20: 8-10
I suggest you proceed carefully.
>>55393209
Denial of reality????? Lol...
That coming from the guys who deny climate change??? hahahahaha
>>55394012
>>55394811
Climate change is bullshit, prove me wrong. Protip you can't (use only science no appeal to authority).
>>55394811
Yes denial of reality. Denial that women and niggers are inferior for example.
>>55395018
Yes, probably you are superior to Neil de Grasse Tyson cause you think you are "white"... if you are in south america, let me say that fascists here consider whites only german and nordic descendant.
>>55371658
Ninety percent of that is either fabricated or exaggerated.
>>55371784
>everyone has running water, TV, computer with internet, shelter, libraries and such, proper food etc.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>55374998
What the fuck is up with all these stupid Spanish rape babies and communism lately?
>>55395276
>you are superior to Neil de Grasse Tyson cause you think you are "white".
Do you know what's an average you retard?
>"here consider whites only german and nordic descendant."
Who cares about some crazy stormfags? They are just snownigger afrocentrist .
>>55377578
>thinks communism was just Stalin
Kek slmever change shot for brains brot, please stay on your island so your stupidity doesn't spread
>>55394976
So, a cartoon convinced you that there's no climate change? Interesting.
http://www.businessinsider.com/climate-change-before-and-after-pictures-of-earth-2015-2
>>55395284
Hey guise check my sources!
>>55370680
The man never held a job and all of his disciples have essentially failed, even china is turning to capitalism in its most prosperous areas.
>>55370680
Pay debts,after that you can shitpost here
SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE
>>55370680
>You only react to the the stimuli the establishment gives you.
I'm over this. I see the way out now.
>>55395395
Hi retard, do you know what an asshole is?
You are one.
And if you are Ok with discrimation, get ready to be discriminated by your stormfags friends
>>55370680
>You only react to the the stimuli the establishment gives you. You're like a dog. If they give you food you'll calm down
Many /pol/acks are anti-state though. So I don't think getting fed by the establishment would calm them down, quite the opposite actually.
>>55395659
discrimination*
(autocorrect typo)
>>55370680
PAY DENBTS
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>>55380899
Nigga please. Every time someone posts an infograph about anything, if they dont have sources, they get called on their shit, and if the sources are shit and wrong themselves, they get called on that too.
Discussions here are way more honest than nearly any other place on the web because every side is spoken for, like here.
>>55395522
It didn't. I told you to prove it through science,this means you can't use news or shit like that only raw data.
You have to prove that:
The climate is warming
It's caused by man made carbon emissions
It's going to have consequences in the near futures so we have to give a shit
It's going to raise the ocean
Given how the quacks that call themselves climate scientists already falsified data(climategate) they don't sound very trustworthy. But I really don't care, I have no power to change government policies or to make the science on the subject more reliable. I care more about my wallet.
>>55371658
Tell that to the Russian, German, Austrian Hungarian, Chinese, or Vietnamese Imperialists. assuming you can find one.
>>55395633
If sincere, the only positive thing I read in this thread. I just want all of you to be independent thinkers. Marxism or capitalism won't save you.
>>55395688
I'm sure some, if not most, are as you describe. Others are shilling for politicians/corporations though.
Everything Marx ever wrote is total bullshit.
The plan basically conjured capitalism as the dominant force in life based on loose observations, then devised a system to destroy it.
I'm not an anti-semite, but that sure seems like a jew thing to do.
All his economic theories are shit, every single one of them. That fact that his philosophy is still considered relevant astounds even the dullest of minds.
>>55395659
Thanks for the compliment.
I am already discriminated by them and I do not care, discrimination is a part of human nature. And it's you liberals who discriminate the most, you won't accept that there will be no equality with equal representation and shit. You need to push your measures to correct the "social injustices" that actually don't benefit niggers nor cumskins. They just cause social division and conflict. There is going to be a race war on your country because of you, but you don't care, it's just the whites being punished for being "oppressors". You don't want to give the blacks employment, values, honor. They are just your pets that you need to "protect" and show off to your friends to signal status and how you are not "racist".
>>55371784
That picture describes capitalist arguments 100% more accurately than it describes most socialist arguments.
>>55396446
That isn't a well founded attack at all but I will take it on 4chin standards. It's true Marx emphasises the role of capitalism and the economy in general in human life. He didn't really devise any satanic plan to overthrow it. The primitive Marxist approach is that the system will eventually replace itself. Others like Lenin politicized this and tried to make revolutions happens and socialism come faster through certain programs. Unluckily, they all failed. I'm not too big on economics but I don't think any theory currently works at any way close to being good for people. So the sword cuts both ways there. About philosophy, both Marx and other socialists have significant contributions. That's maybe the more important part. My personal view is that whether we choose a humane society or a technocratic one is an ethical choice, not a scientific one, so the people who make it must have some backing in philosophy.
>>55375605
Of course he'd say that, it's being humble. He doesn't need a special label to say he adheres to his own ideas.
>>55371784
The US has some of the highest poverty rates in the Western World.
It's a fact Communism lifted the majority of the planet's poor out of poverty. Communism industrialized the majority of the surface of the planet and put man into space.
>>55372774
Ssshhh don't disrupt the echo chamber
>>55373283
Socialism favors everybody.
I actually haven't read the communist manifesto, have been stalling it for a long time now. Perhaps i should read it.
Altough i generally dont get affected by "soft-science politics books"
>>55397473
The Manifesto is a pamphlet, not an academic treatise. It's readable, although the language is a tad archaic by today's standards.
Just read the first few paragraphs to get a feel:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm#007
It's the original red-pill.
All pinkos should be lined up and shot. You are enemies of mankind
>>55397473
It's so small, read it. I personally read it long after I was a socialist. It isn't considered a very important book in the tradition but its a 'meme' one. It says most of the stuff but probably won't convince you all by itself because it doesn't go into great lengths/bring up examples etc. Also the tone is a little 'take it as it is which might reinforce your stereotypes about socialist literature.
>>55397328
>The US has some of the highest poverty rates in the Western World.
Niggers...
>>55398100
>"Niggers..."
Neoliberal Capitalism.
>>55375863
Communism isn't inherently authoritarian
>>55397921
>>55397657
thanks for the tip. I'll read it during christmas or summer perhaps. I'll put it first on my "to read books queue list".
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" Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other — Bourgeoisie and Proletariat."
Hmm, im not sure i can agree with this. Society is more complicated than having just these two sides. I think there are more like 500 sides or 5000 sides, all in war with one another. Imagine a 5000 player multiplayer game, all in one map, fighting for domination.
>>55376799
>le 200 gorillion
Regimes called "socialist" or "Marxist" like Stalin's USSR or Mao's China killed about 60-70 million at most.
The number of deaths caused by more sensible and humane Marxist societies is probably less than a million.
>>55398220
Niggers have lower IQ and lower IQ correlates with lower economic performance. If you keep denying these things you will never improve the life of niggers, aboriginals, aliens or whatever. You can't engineer a rocket with the wrong laws of physics.
>>55399092
What came first, "niggers" or poverty?
>>55398928
1) This is all a matter of opinion. You can have your opinion, read a book, change it etc
2) Its an abstraction. Communist reading needs attention to see why the abstractions happen.
3) There are many different groups of people but all share similar characteristics. It becomes evident later.
>>55377478
>denying that 5-6 million Jews died from fascism
>le Jewish conspeeruhsee
>>55377637
Smart post
Oh look this copypasta again
You commies are hopeless. Enjoy your surplus labor while you can.
>>55399170
Niggers I can't apply the concept of poverty before the Neolithic revolution.
>>55371541
Top jej, do you read history you fuck?
