>Communism looks good on paper
>communism is a wonderful idea
Seriously is there a better way to prove a person is a dumbass?
What about communism sounds appealing? You really wanna share all your belongings with all these assholes you see on a daily basis?
Communism would only work if every part of society was sustained by selfbuilding AI-robots and we live like they do in WALL-E.
Even then it would probably be fucking awful.
>"real communism has never been tried and religion is holding the world back and all religion does is kill"
>"Those atheists who mudered 100 million+ last century weren't real communists and let's ignore their cold Godlessness"
>>55367883
Capitalism doesn't look good even on paper.
>>55369843
Thats because its not an idiology.
There is no utopia with capitalism, it just works and reflects all our shortcomings in the process.
>>55368987
>>55367883
String Theory looks good on paper.
>>55369843
And yet it works unlike communism.
I really love it when people say that. It instantly alerts you to the fact that they live their life through the television.
>>55368987
Any kind of ideological belief is like religion. People are brainwashed. To reach true euphoria you must first tip the fedora and then ignore all ideologies and religion. Unfortunately this will make you disgusted of being part of the human race.
>>55367883
It looks good on film too
>technology has advanced so much that no one needs to work to support themselves
>all goods are equally available
>no one is more or less educated than anyone else
>everyone has made themselves subservient to the will of the ship
>>55368921
Wall-e was a massive shot at the left leaning and very few of them have realized it
>>55368183
>I can't into abstract thinking
Communism isn't about sharing your possessions c*ck. Also you are one of the assholes too.
>>55370326
Whats abstract about regulating ownership? Also:
>greek
>talking about economics
Lel
>>55370229
Yeah looks good fat people sitting around on the Internet all day
>>55370951
Oh, the flag faggotry again.
>>>/int/
>>>/out/
Anyway just because I like Germans I will reply. The abstract thinking would be to consider that just as you're seeing assholes that you don't wanna share with, that's also what they see. That's the same for most people. No one wants to share his house or his belongings. Communism and socialism are about ownership of resources, patents, generally thinks that could be (or should be) in the public sphere. It's against having a parasitical class who lives on past accomplishments (and repression) and not on their labour like you an me. Thank you.
>>55367883
It doesnt. Not even on paper
>>55367883
Some people are frightened by freedom because it means you have to be responsible for your failures and they can't handle that so they resort to Communism to bring everyone down to their level.
>>55371352
>I'm not like other people
>I'm special I promise
Is supporting capitalism a mental disease?
>>55367883
It doesn't even look good on paper, though.
>>55370211
No, you can hold religious beliefs, and political beliefs. The secret is not being a cunt and being capable of having a discussion without shooting or chopping the heads off people who say things you don't like.
>>55371418
I have more money than you.
>>55371418
Same people actually succeed after much work and practice. Why are you so bitter commiefag?
>>55371141
yes, but that's exactly why communism and other patterned distribution systems are retarded and ALWAYS have to lead to violence in order to be sustained. See hayek and, most importantly, Nozick:
>"Nozick's famous Wilt Chamberlain argument is an attempt to show that patterned principles of just distribution are incompatible with liberty. He asks us to assume that the original distribution in society, D1, is ordered by our choice of patterned principle, for instance Rawls's Difference Principle. Wilt Chamberlain is an extremely popular basketball player in this society, and Nozick further assumes 1 million people are willing to freely give Chamberlain 25 cents each to watch him play basketball over the course of a season (we assume no other transactions occur). Chamberlain now has $250,000, a much larger sum than any of the other people in the society. This new distribution in society, call it D2, obviously is no longer ordered by our favored pattern that ordered D1. However Nozick argues that D2 is just. For if each agent freely exchanges some of his D1 share with the basketball player and D1 was a just distribution (we know D1 was just, because it was ordered according to your favorite patterned principle of distribution), how can D2 fail to be a just distribution? Thus Nozick argues that what the Wilt Chamberlain example shows is that no patterned principle of just distribution will be compatible with liberty. In order to preserve the pattern, which arranged D1, the state will have to continually interfere with people's ability to freely exchange their D1 shares, for any exchange of D1 shares explicitly involves violating the pattern that originally ordered it."
>>55371141
> Communism and socialism are about ownership of resources, patents, generally thinks that could be (or should be) in the public sphere.
Yes, and that's clearly a terrible fucking idea. How can you attack others for not applying abstract reasoning when you can't see how that's going to infringe on people's privacy and ability to run their own lives?
>>55371642
Rich people don't care about Hayek believe me. They're more likely to use Das Kapital against you than Hayek in favor of you. Those are all armchair ideologies. I agree that a decentralized system is better. Capitalism is not one.
>>55371591
>>55371593
>american exceptionalism
>>55368987
>"yes I will have the big mac pleez"
>takes out wallet which is chained to their pant belt loop with a picture of che on it
>>55367883
But that's true.
It's when you start trying to apply it in real life it starts falling apart.
>>55371796
Funny how you're using a computer and the internet to talk about how Capitalism is a failure.
>>55368987
Commies argue that ideology is *like* religion, or lack thereof.
So if Mao kills a bunch of people it's still because of religion.
>>55371418
>im exactly the same as you
>what are genetics and life experiences
>>55370229
Not to drive the discussion into the movie realm but at times I feel that they don't realize what they are doing.
We saw the same thing with the underlying messages in Elysium, right?
>>55371796
great argument fagtron.
>mfw people talk about how capitalism is bad near me
>mfw I start arguing with them
>mfw people tell me to read more about socialism and communism because I clearly don't get it
>mfw I've read Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Chomsky, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Proudhon
>mfw none of my points in favor of capitalism have never been refuted in a debate
>>55371904
I never said capitalism is a failure. No Communist does. That's a libertarian argument.
>>55372080
Lubos Motl is that you? Man, on a different note, I'm really starting to like Czechs.
>>55371418
No one is like other people, we are all special, that's the point Stelios.
>>55372360
>2015
>ignoring all human knowledge for the past 3000 years who examines our common passions and struggles to conclude 'I'm a special snowflake' and only need a paycheck, Walmart and Reddit/4chan
wew.
>what's the point of nukes? we should scrap them.
>>55372080
What points do you bring up that aren't refuted? In what manner do you present your argument? So few commies have the capacity to think about any opposing arguments.
>>55372518
> ignoring the fact we are all undeniably unique
> resorting to spouting nonsense and getting mad on a thread doomed for page 10
waw.
>>55372026
>at times I feel that they don't realize what they are doing.
I think Pixar knew exactly what they were doing, they're just smart enough not to get upset when people don't catch all their winks and nods
>We saw the same thing with the underlying messages in Elysium, right?
That guy is an idiot.
>Gib us medicine!
>Now we're all going to die of starvation because we're cured of diseases!
>>55372775
Your individualism is nonsense. It's like saying that cartoons are real. Also welcome to the world of SJWs because they totally agree with you.
>>55372737
depends.
if we are talking merely economics, I usually post the graphs that show the causality of higher taxes/lower gpd growth, the upkeep costs of pay-as-you-go systems vs. private pension funds, singapore, hong-kong, the problem of economic calculation as explained by Mises,...ยจ
sometimes it's purely in the realm of political philosophy, so basically just Locke and Nozick, e.g. - we own our own bodies, therefore we own our own labour, we acquire proprietary rights in things by mixing our labour with them, and when people tell you to give something of yours to another, they basically tell you to give a part of yourself to someone else, thereby making you a slave.
leftypol commies are better educated and more intellectually honest, so sometimes when the work is slow in the office I go there. It's good mental exercise. pol lefties usually never go ebyond infographics and Hitlers/Stalins propaganda.
