>IF YOU DON'T VOTE, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN!
How do you counter this?
>>55362009
By voting.
By complaining.
>>55362024
/thread
By telling them I have free speech.
>>55362009
You dont. You realize you are arguing with a fucking retard and wait for the day of the rope to come and purify.
just because i refuse to take part in meaningless charade doesn't mean I can't complain about the idiots who do.
we're fucked, regardless of who's in "power." the president is a figurehead, nothing more.
>>55362009
you don't
>>55362142
chemtrails
>>55362009
When all given options won't reflect my preferences nor represent my needs, and seeing as I'm a few million dollars short of being a self funded billionaire, I say my chances of establishing something to respresent people like myself will be very slim. Therefore I have decided to opt out of voting on the lesser two evils in order to preserve my own moral integrity; while also accepting that I have no say in who will be the elected victor.
Explain the electoral college system and how even if it weren't rigged that every single election would be decided by the vastly predictable non-voting majority.
Counter:
Even if you vote, you don't have any right to complain.
Complaining is annoying, shut up.
>>55362009
What if I'm opposed to democracy?
Surely participating in a system removes your right to complain about its outcomes.
There are literally 15 million other dumbfucks whose vote completely blows out mine.
My right to complain is called the first amendment.
>>55362198
You. I like you.
>>55362009
That probably means that a lot of people vote just so they can have this abstract right to complain.
tldr their reason for voting is for complaining.
>>55362009
this is a democracy, so go out and vote
>>55362009
>>55362142
You guys still vote in your local elections right? Local elections affect us more than presidential elections.
>>55362175
basically this
>>55362198
Counter:
When the given options will never represent my needs, ideals, preferences, and I will vote on someone regardless of me agreeing with their platform, my vote will be detrimental to the democratic process - and my complaining is out of frustration for narrowminded voting options.
>>55362009
By lying and saying you voted for the person they voted against.
>>55362009
I don't have to call in to vote for a contestant on American Idol to see how retarded the show is.
>How do you counter this?
Mind your own business.
district preference within any state nulls a individuals vote if they are not part of the majority
they should do away with the electoral college bullshit and switch to popular vote
>>55362175
That's a good reason to not vote, but you've provided no other solutions and so cannot complain.
>>55362422
This, to be honest, family.
Electoral college in the US is based on history. It is obsolete now and should be replaced with popular vote.
>>55362009
>How do you counter this?
by voting you fucking retard
Mandatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
>>55362009
>How do you counter this?
By voting.
Pro tip: You can actually vote for smaller parties when they have a bigger overlap with your own interests, even if they don't make it that's still better than voting for someone who wants to fuck you over.
>>55362009
If I vote, I give my consent to abide by the outcome. Fuck that.
>>55362555
I thought he was supposed to be a comedian. Where were the jokes?
>>55362507
the electoral college has always been spot on except some bullshit 1800's elections and bush.
not saying youre like the rest of /pol/, but if the republicans want any hope of winning another presidential election their gonna need the electoral college.
>>55362198
Other possibilities :
"Uhh, it's called the first amendment, dipshit. If you don't know about that, maybe you shouldn't be voting"
or
"Unless you run for political office, you have no right to complain."
>>55362582
youre giving your consent regardless, mein nagger
>>55362634
It's funny because what he says is true? I don't know.
>>55362432
There are no other solutions.
I'm allowed to complain that I'm not wealthy, and stand no chance to get any major funding for my ideas (if I have/had any)
I'm allowed to complain that I'm not allowed to be a-political in this scenario
I'm allowed to complain about the fact that my vote should go to the shiniest of two turds
I'm allowed to complain that I'm forced to vote, even though I don't fully support my vote and such a vote would degrade the democratic process.
I'm allowed to complain that my vote is drowned out by masses of sheep that vote on A or B, without ever having given it even one deep thought.
I don't have to offer a solution. My right to complain is part of the democratic process.
>>55362009
See: >>55362024
>>55362024
this
>>55362756
OK, you can complain. But your words are as meaningless as you feel your vote is.
Complain to yourself, in your home if you haven't got anything constructive to say.
>I oppose the Democratic process and wish to take no part in the validation of this broken system or to assign legitimacy to any of the thieves, liars, charlatans, actors, bankers, and traitors that infest the Parliament/Congress/Whatever.
>>55362853
Why does my complaining have to be constructive? Isn't it enough that I feel frustrated and need an outlet?
And complaining could in fact be constructive, as long as you don't trivialize it.
If I was American I could complain about my democratic choice being either an old socialist jew, or a pandering hasbeen elitist woman who only tolerated her husband's infedelity because of her chance of becoming president - and my republican choice being either normalized formerly regarded as insane fringe, or not really part of the party to begin with.
You could also just criticize the entire system as being fraudulent and infested with big business.
>>55362648
I hear you and you're right to assume I'd like the republicans to win. However, from purely technical viewpoint electoral college only makes sense for upper chambers of national parliaments. In presidential elections it only makes sense in countries of relatively loosely affiliated countries (confederations) like the US used to be in the past.
>>55363043
Constructive criticism is preferable to complaining. Otherwise it's just hot air that you blow to make yourself feel better. You have every right to do it, but don't ask people to listen or care about your hot air.
>>55362009
all my favorite candidates dont have ballot access and writeins arwnt counted. I dont have the right to vote or complain.
>>55362009
By telling you that after J.F.K's assasination every other president was a phony.
>implying voting makes a difference
If that was true, why is the world so fucked when many people I know voted correctly and want the right things, yet they never happen?
I'm 26 and never voted. Never will. Fuck your feel good "I'm making a difference and what I think matters" bullshit.
>>55362009
Not voting is an absolutely valid choice. It makes the political class aware their hard support has dwindled and if they're not careful new players could overtake them very rapidly in the next election.
>>55362009
My jamming my dick down her throat
>>55362009
By marrying OP's pic. Dear God.
>>55362009
Your vote is part of the popular vote. The electoral college vote is the one that actually matters.
>>55362009
If I don't vote then I also don't abide by your laws
I'd then hack at the faggots legs with a katana
>>55362024
/thread
>>55362009
well, by living in a country with a direct democratic system it is interesting to see how people react with this much political force in hand.
Today most people of my generation don´t fucking care about politics (we can´t chance nothing, the goverment is evil, etc. and so on..)on fact the biggest "voting group" are old people, therefore politic is more on the right side and conservative. Statistically when all of my generation (18-30) would go to vote, our average political sides would chance immediatelly.
Now do I think you have to vote or shut the fuck up - Yes, we COULD chance everything, it is OUR mistake nothing is changing.
But most people just complain, for the more "right" ones the immigrants are the source of their poverty (not the fact they just are not looking what they are doing with their money), the more "left" sided people think the goverment is the evil part ("they are not thinking about us"). If you only seek your mistakes in life on other ones nothing can change.
Go vote
>>55362009
>Why?
>>55362009
"A choice between only 2 is as close to no choice as you can get while still presenting the veneer of a participatory democracy"
>>55362319
A blank vote is better than not voting and is a big fuck you to them.
>>55362009
>state voting districts are set up by state legislature which is run by x party
>they make aldi strives set up so that thier x party always has majority rule over them
>even if your state is 20-30 y party, it will be split up so that 4-5% is split up into x party ruled districts in which they can not win a election
>also the electoral college does. Or care about votes at the end of the day
Nice voting system t b h
>>55362009
By shutting you pie hole or voting. Those are the only two options other than brushing your teeth with a pistol.
>>55362009
So what you're saying is if I don't decide whether I would rather be punched in the kidney or kicked in the kidney, I have no right to complain that I'm pissing blood?
Or perhaps the system has thrown sand on my ass and I'm only a real American if I beg for it in missionary or doggystyle? Or maybe I gain the right to complain the moment I do stand in line and write in "I'm not a faggot", despite the fact that via your votes I'm taking a sandy prick in the shitter either way?
You do not combat evil by consolidating it.
>>55362009
But it's correct. if you're against something, and don't use your right to vote to express it, you can't complain. You're literally throwing away your only chance to affect the country directly.
>>55362024
>implying voting does anything
>>55362009
I don't.
I don't pretend that my time is so valuable that I cannot waste ten fucking minutes every four years to draw an X on a piece of paper.
>>55362009
Elections aren't proof of democracy.
>>55362009
By enlightening them on the electoral college
I vote for anyone that has an (L) next to their name. The rest are just two faces of the same system.
>>55362432
>you dont have a solution for death
>you cant complain about death
>>55362009
I'm not getting into the nitty gritty but it is legally possible to be an adult of sound mind and body and a valid first world passport without any legal right to vote in any country. It's actually a thing.
>>55368873
>inb4
and no criminal record or pending legal action or suspicion of. it's actually a real thing.
Why not blank voting if you aren't represented by any parties?
>>55363600
you are dumb...
if everyone thought like you, western civilization would go to shit.
luckily you don't vote so we have one less leftist voter.
i act the way i want the collective to act, i put garbage in trashcan, i vote right, i don't steal or act dumb, i'm not loud, and i do not initiate a conversation with someone who obviously do not want to.
This creates a culture you are gonna want,
in norway i can leave my bike in the city, confident that it will be exactly the same place next day.
Norway is the cleanest country by an insane margin.
Norway is the best country and will do my part to maintain that.
>>55362009
Actually I'm in a better and more objective position to complain. You rationalize things through your political party ideology while I watch both sides squirm for an inch happy I didn't get sucked into the scam
>refuse to vote
>still complain about anything
No. Just no.
If you wanted to change something then you should've gone out and voted.
For instance on the last Croatian elections only 50% of the population voted. The two leading parties got almost 90% of the votes.
I'm perfectly aware democracy doesn't work but if you stay at home and only wine nothing is gonna change.
>>55362009
By voting. If you don't want to vote, then kick-start a revolution. Otherwise, you really do have no reason to be complaining.
>>55362009
But not voting doesn't negate the right to complain, especially since voting is a futile process.
I vote in statewide/local stuff
Nationally is a joke though and I don't live in a swingstate, its always Dem here in Pres elections so whats the fucking point.
>>55362009
>the problem is democracy itself
It's like having cancer, and the two choices you're given to combat the cancer are:
>bleach
>whiskey
And you're expected to choose the lesser of two evils.
The system of government has been designed to make your vote worthless. It's not a man's responsibility to waste his life trying to change a broken system through the proper channels.
>>55362009
by saying you refuse to vote for contests that offer no real outcome because the choices are the same
>>55362009
>If you actively partake in a system that causes all the problems that I complain about, then you are part of the problem as well. Picking the lesser evil solves nothing.
>>55362009
Hey, it's you fuckers that fuck it up. While a person who did not vote, did not leave his home during election day, he did nothing, while YOU brought it on yourself AND him.
> If you don't X, you have no rights!
The moment someone arbitrarily tells me that I do or don't have a right to do something is the moment I realise just who the enemy is.
>>55362009
By voting.
>>55362009
You can't. Vote or don't vote you're still making a choice that affects the outcome in a small way. So no matter what you do, whether you support a party and possible change or you support nihilism, apathy and the maintenance of the status quo you still vote.
>>55362009
There is none you fucking retard.
>>55362024
/thread
>>55362024
this senpai
>>55362009
I'm lazy did anyone post the George Carlin voting standup routine?
>>55362009
only a tiny percentage of districts nationwide are competitive, but you should still vote anyway. habitualizing civic engagement is pro-social
>>55362142
You should vote for someone you think would make a good president. Even if they're not electable. This counters that argument, and your vote won't be insincere.
Don't ever vote for the lesser of two evils. You have to explain your vote at the dinner table for the next 4-8 years.
>>55362009
There is a distinction between not voting from a lack of interest, in which case the sentiment "IF YOU DON'T VOTE, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN!" has some validity, and intentionally not voting as a form of protest or "vote".
>>55362009
abstaining from a vote is still participating. you are saying that none of the candidates are representative of you.
you should still vote on laws though, just vote no on everything you dont understand or are on the fence about.
>>55362676
If you cant even get up off your ass long enough to vote your opinion doesnt matter, regardless of your right to free speech.
>>55368353
>Implying it doesnt
man neets really are pessimistic arent they?
>>55368797
Who is retarded enough to complain about death? Its inevitable...
I vote precisely so I can bitch without this criticism.
I vote for myself every time.
I know damn well the election has already been decided and voting is a show.
The current system of government doesn't allow for my opinions to be voiced.
There is no single party that accurately represents my point of view.
Change has to come from outside of the system.
I don't vote out of apathy, I don't vote because I am completely frustrated by the system.
>>55362009
Organized groups work together to prevent unwanted candidates from getting media attention, public attention and funding.
So you're left with 2 choices, both predetermined by the chosen winner's side, but the show must still be given in order to satisfy voter-fags who fully bought into the bullshit.
There you go. Voting is a sham as long as actual votes can be accounted for, and they come from living people, not voter fraud from corrupt parties.
>>55362009
Because I dont believe in Democracy and voting only give it legitimacy
How else are you supposed to protest against FPTP? If you vote you're playing along with the system.
>>55362009
Why did you post a picture of that cute girl? What relevance does that have to voting? Oh great, now I have to masturbate because I lack will power, self control, and discipline. Fuck you OP!!!!
>>55362009
Donald Trump might be able to salvage the American Republic. Although, I would have rather had Ron Paul, or even Rand Paul, who although pales in comparison to his father's greatness, is still a libertarian minded candidate.
How can voting hold value when your vote is countered by a single immigrant?
>>55362009
By voting you are basically saying: I approve of this system and have no right to complain about the actions of elected representatives. By not voting you are saying: I do not approve of this system, the elite do not have my support.
The end result is the same, of course. Only by force or the threat of it can ordinary people affect the course of history.
>>55362009
I don't. Majority rules in democracy. If you feel marginalized by the majority of voters, that just means democracy is working because the majority is voting. And if you don't like that idea, move somewhere you aren't marginalized, or fuck off.
(Sorry babe, that's the actual fucking truth. If it were up to me, it would always be the philosopher-king from here on until the suns burns itself out.)
Hey next time you're in jail and Tyrone gives you the choice between having your ass licked or having your ass fucked, remember if you don't vote, you have no right to complain!
>>55362009
I tell that faggot that by the same principle, you can't judge anyone's ability to make a good president unless you've been a president yourself. Which makes my own approach of not voting more fitting to his logic than his own approach of voting.
Checkmate atheists, thanks logic.
Most people really shouldn't be voting anyway.
>>55362055
NOT IF BIG BAD JERELYN LUTHER HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
rekt nigga watchu gon do bout it
>>55362009
Your vote doesnt matter shitlord
The electoral college of drunk fuck up politicians decideds who becomes president.
>>55377258
dat sum rare flag? good shite mate
>There are people alive right now that think voting matters
Kek
Don't need a right.
>Vote for one shitty candidate or the other
>Making a difference
Because I make just as much of a difference sitting at home fapping as I would voting.
>>55362198
Nice SJW tactic
>>55362009
My lack of a vote was a declaration of non-participation. Please do not tax me, thnx
>>55362009
if A==B why should I choose?
"Shut up," and then you ignore them.
>>55362009
Nobody represents me.
>>55365980
Blank votes are divided among the candidates according to the percentage of "real" votes they got, at least that's how it works here, so no, your blank vote goes into some candidate's percentage in the end and that means the systems says "fuck you, i did whatever i wanted with your vote"
>>55362161
>chemtrails
global warming
global cooling
global temperature change
global something that's bigger than a breadbox and it will require a massive tax and a gigantic bureaucratic entity to monitor it.
>>55374057
>implying I'm a NEET
Nope. Gainfully employed.
Voting isn't for us moron. Democracy is for the elites, not for the people.
Crazy that I have to explain this on /pol/.
You're just a good goy.
>>55362009
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
>>55362009
There isn't an option to abolish the office, so I didn't see how I could be represented.
I choose not to take part in the electoral process and this shows my belief that no party is deserving of my vote
>>55362009
By asking if I'm being detained.
>>55368710
>I vote for the Jews!!
>really goy!!
>they're different!!!
>>55369041
>>55369146
>>55372949
>>55374995
Why do so many people think voting does anything?
>>55374418
>>55377425
>>55377577
>>55377956
>>55379487
>>55379484
You have the right idea.
>>55374703
>really, this time it'll be different!!!
>Trump will save us!!!
Plz.
>>55362009
I genuinely believe that only people with children should be allowed to vote and I don't have children yet so i'm not about to waste my precious time voting (well precious relative to the fact i'd rather shitpost on /pol/)
Not voting is voting, if you don't believe the current established system is working and you vote anyway you have no right to complain. You are literally furthering it.
They're right. If you believe in democracy, you must choose, faggot.
People have a right to complain whether they voted or not. That's a damn good thing.
>>55379678
>don't vote
>people still vote
>someone gets in
I hate you faggots
>implying your vote matters
>implying you won't complain impotently anyway
>>55379716
Did you not even read my post?
>Vote anyway
>Vote for protest party
>Shitty party with loyal voterbase gets in anyway
There is no vote to reform the system entirely beyond a coup. Anybody you voted in would be using the system and have no incentive to change it other than to declare a dictatorship.
>>55379716
>people still vote
>someone gets in
Yeah, that happens as long as people believe the process is legitimate. Damn voters.
>>55362009
This sentence is totally retarded.
Never voted( literally odlfag had plenty options to do so) and not complaining. I try to keep the state away from my personal life and interact with it only when there is no way to avoid it.
