just a simple question - do you believe Jesus really existed as a real historical person?
>>55357206
I definitely believe that a real figure of mass historical and religious importance existed around that timeframe, however to say that he was the literal son of god is a bit of a stretch.
>>55357206
Yes, and if you don't you're a moron.
There is enough evidence proving that there was indeed a guy named Jesus Christ running around acting like a messiah around that time frame.
>>55357206
He did exist. Nobody disputes this.
Of course. And to say otherwise is foolish.
I do not believe there was an actual Jesus.
hell no
>>55357206
>Obi an kenobi
>>55357374
>There is enough evidence proving that there was indeed a guy named Jesus Christ running around acting like a messiah around that time frame.
there is literally zero evidence of that
>>55357206
Isn't that young Obi-wan?
>>55357206
Yes. The first documented case of schizophrenia.
>>55357206
>tfw based jesus regularly slaughtered sand people while scrounging for droids to sell to the jawas
>>55357206
Josephus wrote of Jesus and his brother James
>>55357206
Keep calm and love Ben Kenobi
>>55357604
i'm literally shitting my pants out of laughter right now and smearing shit all over my face
also mel brooks also made a play about jesus, that must settle it then
>>55357374
There isn't really.
There's evidence of christians existing roughly during that timeframe.
But evidence of Christ which is good enough to prove Christ isn't really available.
You're either quoting second or third hand sources (at best) like the bible or otherwise relying on evidence which is forged, altered, sourceless or not a clear reference.
Yes duh.
>>55357604
And the passages in Josephus show signs of having been inserted at a later date, since they don't fit context and writing style.
>>55357447
>Nobody disputes this.
People dispute the existence of pretty much anyone or anything if they think it will help to erode the foundation of western civilization.
>>55357703
Germany everyone.
Germany.
>>55357206
I'm not gay but god damn I would suck Ewan MacGregor's dick.
His performance in Moulin Rouge was sublime.
>>55357668
Josephus was living at the time and could rely on living survivors and existing records.
If we assume that the records are correctly attributed to Josephus, it would seem plausible that Jesus existed.
>>55357816
So what?
I'm from Germany.
That doesn't disprove my position.
>>55357734
Tell us some other shit you pulled out of your ass.
>>55357206
Yes. There's never been a cult founded by nobody.
>>55357336
This
I bet Life of Brian is closer to the truth than the Bible
>>55357905
If the passage was not entirely made up it at the very least contains elements that were interpolated later.
Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works — a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal man amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct to this day.
This is the citation.
Why would Josephus write this and still be a Jew?
>>55357206
Of course.
>>55357206
Yes
>>55357206
There are no references of him being real. It was most likely a multitude of people.
>>55357206
Which one? The actual guy or the biblical story?
Pontius pilate wrote a letter to caesar about jesus.
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/evidence.html
Yes I do op.
>>55357206
Most likely
yes
Jesus Christ is the word manifest in the flesh
that's what the entire western world has believed for 1980 of the last 2000 years, and guess what... the western world kicked ass
30 years of atheism, and we suck anus. trannies, homos and feminists run the planet. men are depressed betas who jack it to tentacle anime porn. and you want to tell me that this is evidence Jesus isn't the Godman?
>>55357374
>a guy named jesus christ
Son, what are you on about? Thats wasn't his name. Christ is greek for "anointed one." Dipshit. And his first name would have been Yeshua. Jesus is a rendering of the greek translation of Iesous
>There is "near universal consensus" among scholars that Jesus existed historically,[3][4][5][nb 1][nb 2][nb 3][nb 4] although biblical scholars differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the details of his life that have been described in the Gospels.[nb 5][11][nb 6][2]:168–173 While scholars have sometimes criticized Jesus scholarship for religious bias and lack of methodological soundness,[nb 7] with very few exceptions, such critics do support the historicity of Jesus, and reject the theory that Jesus never existed, known as the Christ myth theory.[14][nb 8][16][17][18] Certain scholars, particularly in Europe, have recently made the case that while there are a number of plausible "Jesuses" that could have existed, there can be no certainty as to which Jesus was the historical Jesus, and that there should also be more scholarly research and debate on this topic.[19][20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
>>55358205
Well said.
If anyone wants to tell me that Godlessness leads to good social order....
>>55357930
>>55357336
This.
Every cult nowadays always has a crazy leader, like david koresh, marshall applewhite, jim jones, charles manson, and ron hubbard.
It make more sense that there was in fact a man named Jesus and his followers exaggerated his actions in life.
>>55357206
Yes he was a hippy Jew and a proto-SJW. The way his cult blew up had fairly little to do with his actu5 popularity during life time and more with the politics of newly forming governments, first in the Middle East, then in the Roman and Byzantine Empires.
>>55357206
If Jesus didn't exist as an actual person, then he was based on someone who did a lot of the things Jesus is said to have done (Q). So he might as well have existed.
Did Socrates exist?
Did Shakespeare?
Does true selflessness exist?
Did Aunt Jemima exist?
Do I exist? Oh jesus. Oh god. Oh jesus oh god ohjesusohgodohjesus
>>55357206
He was real, he performed miracles and he was the son of God.
Through him even a sinner may be saved.
>>55358249
Yeshua bar Yosef or maybe something like Yeshua et Nazareaen
>>55358368
10/10 post desu
