Edward Snowden is a traitor. What's your take on the guy?
He's not a traitor. He defected to Russia, which makes him the true hero.
psyop to get people to stay attached to the internet, demanding "privacy" and "freedom" to feed more porn and media instead of doing real things
Allow him back home.
He's a hero. I wish he was Canadian
>>55350537
Build a statue, name streets after him, and open a school in his name.
>>55350713
What did he possibly do that will benefit the people of America? Am I wrong to think that no matter what, the government will continue to invade our privacy because they always have to be few step ahead of the citizens.
>>55350741
all he did was reveal the method to invoke more fear and escapism on the masses by telling them shit that even he was powerless to actually stop.
there are tracking devices in every ethernet cable at your ISP.
>>55350537
I wouldnt go as far to say he was a traitor, but I certainly wouldnt call him a Hero either. He could of brought the issue of the intelligence agencies illegal activities to the public eye without divulging thousands of classified documents to countries that dont like the west.
If I was him i would have gone to someone like congressmen Dennis Kucinich, they could have protected him
>>55350827
tracking devices
its called SNMP (simple network managing protocol) you fucking retard
anything from source and destination ips to port numbers to data usage to anything else you can think of can be monitored and recorded
its enabled on the port in the switch or router
not in the fucking cable
>traitor
Yeah no.
We need more snitches like this glorious bastard. To bad absolutely everyone who works for the feds now has to wear an explosive kill-collar at all times.
>>55350537
He should just give all of his info to everyone on the internet.
UNRESTRICTED FLOW OF INFORMATION
They're a traitor and a coward.
They should feel ashamed that the tranny Bradley/Chelsea Manning is doing prison time like a real man while they flee to Russia and pretend to be a hero without first being a martyr.
>Edward Snowden is a traitor.
So were the American revolutionaries.
So will be the white people who topple their governments.
Fuck off, NSA shill.
did the wrong thing for the right reason
>>55350537
Snowdon is in a fact a traitor no matter if you agree with him or not. He sold out his country to a rival nation. Snowdon should be caught and hanged.
>>55350537
Some intern autist who sperged out over something that was only known by people who cared.
>>55350568
he didnt do it for us. He did it for reddit army and muh bernie sanders fags.
Hang the traitor publicly.
>>55351646
and thread
you guys seem kinda mad a meanyhead confirmed that the government is in fact spying on you
If you think Snowden is a traitor you're a good government goy, as far as compromising national security that was a bad move but when your country is filled with parasites then defecting is reasonable
>Snowden
Hero with Bawlz to expose the Jew programs destroying all Nations with Kekery go back to bed fagg0t
>>55350537
He's a populist. I respect that ideology more than any other. The world belongs to the people. not to any government or other institution.
>>55350537
/pol/ can be so retarded sometimes
>Guy ruins his own life to reveal covert spying operation on the American public
Traitor!
>small group of Europeans speak out against Draconian hate speech laws
Based!
At the end of the day, it really boils down to >>55351666. Most /pol/lacks are just reactionaries to Reddit with no critical thinking of their own.
>>55350537
>Edward Snowden is a traitor
True to the American government and any nation willing or forced to parrot their
However he betrayed his country for a "good" cause, exposing secrets that should have gotten America into deeper trouble I mean if feels like we really just got a slap on the wrist but the world missed and just blew air into our direction
Watergate was a scandal but I wonder why this wasn't as big of a deal?
>>55350537
>exposes government surveillance plot
>traitor
Why hasn't the NSA been labeled traitors again for what they did? How the fuck is the gov getting away with crucifying Snowden when he literally did nothing wrong?
I liked him before he endorsed Bernie
>>55350537
He is a traitor to the American government, but he's basically fucked his life up forevermore to expose what he felt was an injustice being done to the citizenry which I think is admirable.
>>55351879
That said, he probably meets the definition of traitor, but he was a traitor to authority. Nothing more American than that.
>>55350537
He did the right thing.
But he's still a faggot.
He's defected from the service of Washington. Which makes him an ally to the United States of America.
>>55352077
He can't be a traitor without aiding an enemy of the US government.
>Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort
So I guess we're all enemies of the US government... Good to know.
Trump/Snowden 2015
>>55352332
You think he isn't? Russia has so much power over him that they are certainly consulting him on sensitive subjects in american intelligence.
>>55354585
I wonder what hilariously madeup shit he's feeding them
>>55351628
>He sold out his country to a rival nation.
Which nation was that? One on the approved list like Israel or some other nation?
>>55350537
he should be crucified for his treason
>>55350537
>Edward Snowden is a traitor.
Care to explain why?
>>55350537
Whether or not what he did was moral or not, the fact of the matter is that he is a traitor.
He has exposed immoral actions, but he still ought to face his crimes like a good citizen,
>>55350537
>Edward Snowden is a hero.
Yeah in the same sense that Martin Luther King was.
>>55355773
By which I mean, he's not.
>>55350741
At least your people can openly criticise your government for Spying on them and invading your rights without being named conspiracy theorists. How did he not do the right thing?
>>55351879
>Guy ruins his own life to reveal covert spying operation on the American public
He revealed a lot more than that.
>>55350537
He's a self important narcissist who has betrayed his country. His 'revelations' weren't limited to domestic surveillance, programs that the intelligence community was preparing to scrap anyway for being ineffective and a huge drain on resources, but also included legitimate espionage activities.
Look at every photo of him. He's striking a pose like he's Steve Jobs. He's been very good at 'branding' himself.
>>55350537
If he was a traitor he would have sold sensitive information to a rival country. But instead, he gave it to the American public.
So, traitor? No.
What if the information he leaked happened to destroy the lives and families of millions of Americans?
What if it directly resulted in your family being killed around you?
Leaking government information isn't something to be praised even if it happens to benefit the public. They're a disgusting coward and a traitor. If you can't get this information to the public through legitimate means then you aren't trying hard enough.
Let's say for instance that confidential information he leaked happened to only appear like a bad thing to us, but we were only receiving a small piece of a bigger picture. What if our enemies had much more of the picture and that piece was enough for them to assemble the rest?
Confidentiality is like a gun; you always treat it like it's loaded and you never point it at someone you don't intend to kill.
>>55350537
>dey iz traytorz 4 tellin' me wot I needz to kno' bout' mah guvmint
yeah, keep believing them billionaire globalists dumb niggers.
>>55350595
This, bread and circus. Enjoy the show, /4chan/. Try not to prepare your soul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2hRXLzG05Q
>>55355957
>If you can't get this information to the public through legitimate means then you aren't trying hard enough.
letting the public know of this is itself illegitimate then
how would you suggest he release that info without releasing said info?
>>55355957
what if not leaking kills even more?
Doing the right thing made him a criminal.
His internal whisteblowing attempts were ignored completely.
Much like Manning, Snowden leaked some serious shit. And it made the US look bad. So people screamed traitor without actually looking at what Snowden was leaking: an expansion of the intelligence apparatus that would have made any dictator's secret police green with envy. They basically wholesale legitimized the political science theory that nations are evil to the extent they they can get away with.
From the technological perspective he merely confirmed what everyone assumed: that unencrypted traffic (http and email and several other protocols) was being monitored at all times. We'd had hints before, like the confirmation that the FBI was using software called Carnivore, but had no idea what the rest of the government was up to.
Now the government is shitting its pants at the idea of an informed populace encrypting all its information by default. We've seen this same panic before, back when encryption was export controlled and people got arrested for publishing research on it.
Whistleblower. The world needs more like him.
All you brainwashed fucking burgers need to be hung from a tree for being statist scum.
>>55350537
Traitor.
>Come home white man and face justice
>>55355884
They didn't invade our rights in any way. They collected data about who calls who from private phone companies who have the right to dispose that data. There is little expectation of privacy to be infringed. Further, they need a warrant to even look at the data they had collected.
>>55351331
>UNRESTRICTED FLOW OF INFORMATION
He put his country in danger by sharing the information with the enemy. It's understandable if you feel like you should share the information with the public but when you know you can put your country in danger it's better to keep it to yourself.
>>55356584
Literally nothing came from the stupid shit he leaked. The general public doesn't give a fuck either, they'll keep using what's convenient for them. All it did was maybe increase security on all the programs, which is good I guess.
>>55356745
They used a rather transparent legal fiction beginning with "business records about you are not your information."
I'd like to see that logic applied to medical records.
>>55356745
>they need a warrant to look at the data
I knew you burgers are brainwashed into the whole MURRICA thing, but this is just sad. You do know NSA agents sat around the office passing around nude pictures and spying on their exes? Are you implying they got warrants for that?
i just think it's funny that he ran to russia of all places.
He proved that you americans are spying on us.
He's a hero for me.
>>55356841
Medical records are assumed to be private. This data is like the data in internet usage that google uses to give you directed ads. No one cares about googles use of this data.
>>55357018
citation needed
>>55350537
You know what we used to do to traitors?
>>55350568
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>>55350713
>>55350741
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>>55351792
>h-he's a hero
>good g-goy
>Snowden betrayed is country to tell people of government spying
>Had to escape to Russia
>Literally no one cares about the NSA anymore
>He ruined his life for nothing
kek
>>55350537
The government needed calling out, needed challenging, be it within or without the confines of the law. The same thing goes for foreign policy. Aggression unchecked is aggression encouraged.
>>55357195
We're still occupying you. With all the Muslims, we'd be bombing you by now if there was oil involved.
>works for the CIA
>gets red flagged and losing his security clearance
>comes back
>gets hired by NSA
Honestly if you're that fucking retarded to hire him twice you should get your shit stolen.
>>55350537
>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
>I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
> that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
> that I will support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
>against all enemies, foreign and domestic
He's a patriot. The politicians are the traitors.
>>55358609
1. You do not own your phone records.
2. The 4th amendment protects against UNREASONABLE searches and seizures. Jurisprudence on this topic has led to a number of cases where searches and seizures are considered reasonable without a warrant.
