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The "losing our culture" argument forwarded by the xenophobes of the Europe, Americas and Australia is just as stupid as everything else they say.
Cultures are dynamic. With our without immigration, you will lose your culture. Or in a more accurate description, your culture will evolve into something else. The European culture is different than what it was during the renaissance period. The European culture during the renaissance period is different than what it was during the Roman Empire. This is the case with cultures ALL OVER the world. For example: If you ever go to Japan to visit, you're going to see normal people who dress normal and work normal and study normal. You're not going to come across samurai, ninjas or shoguns. With or without immigration, cultures constantly evolve. The only 2 things that I can name, which remain intact, are language and religion.
Did the pagans of the Roman Empire ever complain about Christian domination or the loss of their identity? Islam isn't the first religion that made it's way from the Middle East to Europe. If there is physics behind this, it's only natural to see a shift from the current Christian European quo to a more Islamic European quo.
>>55341470
Chink/curry/mudshit detected.
>>55341470
We know cultures evolve. The phrase "lose our culture" is short hand for "our people will lose hegemony of control of our culture."
It's not that hard to see why that's shitty. Different groups deserve the right to self determination and identity.
>>55341470
Fuck off maplenigger
>canadian lecturing about other people about """culture"""
nigga.......stop
>>55341470
this
>the inevitability of change makes this potential change good or desirable
I've seen this argument dressed up so many different ways, and it always seems so ridiculous.
And yet my language is Anglo derived.
Yet my surname is an Anglo name.
Yet my First name is Biblical.
Yet my street name is Christian in origin.
Yet my Christian school was founded over a century ago.
Yet my local pub is over 350 years old.
Yet my favorite ale is centuries old.
Yet my favorite food is roast ham and vegetables.
Yet my sense of fashion and clothes hark back to 1950 at least in some respects, possibly classical in others.
Yet my musical tastes and interests are the same.
Yet my taste in literature, poetry and art are the same.
There exists European culture, continued by the native European people, that has remained unchanged for decades, centuries and millennia.
If the native population of Europe die out and are replaced, that culture will not evolve as you say, it will be eradicated.
>>55341470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
if you want this to be your future so be it its the path you choose
>>55341470
>Cultures are dynamic.
Wrong.
>>55341470
I read some stupid shit by Evola the other day and I think you are right but this guy >>55341611
is even more right.
The anxiety American whites, Europeans in the future and other whites are going through is the way I see it is more of an identity crisis. White culture in American for so long has been about what was in the media and it's all money and hollywood and shit with the only exceptions being country hillbilly shit that is the butt of every joke by every educated high class faggot in New York.
I think the only real solution is for white to come together and create a new 'pro-white' identity that is healthy and not defined by leftists haters.
aussie shitposting ain't got shit on us
we take this shit to the next level niggas
come at us
mapleniggas twisting yo shit up nigga
>>55341470
My culture may change but I'll be damned if it changes to fucking islam.
fuck muslims
>>55341470
>Never like or defend anything because everything changes
>>55341470
>Cultures are dynamic.
and we are still waiting on niggers and muslims to develop one
>>55341470
it is about the replacement of culture and not the evolution of it.
basic fact of the matter is that european/western culture should not be defined and appraised by people who hate it. i'm going to assume that you don't think it has any value, how are you any different from those who don't think islamic culture has any value? because you are embedded in the culture?
what gives you the right to decide how people should live?
>>55341470
>your culture will evolve into something else
Fine m8, then we don't want that something else to be heavily islamic influenced and we don't want it to be heavily influenced by third world low-trust clannish primitive filth.
>>55341470
>Did the pagans of the Roman Empire ever complain about Christian domination or the loss of their identity?
I'd wager there were more than a few turning to each other and shaking their heads after sacked Rome. The Christians were doing it too. For while they were divided and battling for the control of the empire they both lost it all to a foreign invader.
>>55341470
So then why don't we go there and change their "culture". If culture is so "changeable" as you implied. Why should they ruin a superior society, when we can fix an inferior society. (context applies to pretty much every islamic country.)
>>55341470
We all know that. The problem is that the change is being forcefully imposed, and the result is a less sobereign Europe with long abandoned ideals. It's not evolution, but forced regression.
>>55341470
Subhuman detected
>>55341470
>Cultures are dynamic
They're dynamic because they respond to the changing events in the society in which they exist.
Mass immigration isn't a mere change or event, it is a complete transformation and replacement of the previous, not a natural or fluid transition from said society's bearers.
>>55343764
>Did the pagans of the Roman Empire ever complain about Christian domination or the loss of their identity?
haha how did i miss this?
we have a time-traveler here, gents. this is the internet, people don't just go on the internet and talk out of their arses so clearly this guy knows this definitively because he was there and the romans just collectively shrugged and waxed poetic about how roman culture doesn't exist and christian culture is superior.
>>55341470
>Did the pagans of the Roman Empire ever complain about Christian domination or the loss of their identity?
Yes you mongoloid.
Flavius Claudius Julianus Caesar .
>>55341470
Fuck off, KIKE
>>55341470
1. Islam as a "culture" has not changed since the middle ages.
2. Islam believes in wiping out all sense of national identity and symbolism as idolatry that detracts from the only goal, which is the worship of Allah.
3. They destroy anything considered idolatry. Look at the ruin in Syria. Our Churches and castles will be torn down when they outnumber the native population.
4. European birthrates = below replacement levels
5. Immigrant birth rates = many times above replacement levels
6. White Europeans are vastly outnumbered
7. White women make up less than 18% worldwide of childbearing age or younger
8. Most chose not to have children. Are breeding outside their race, and not having enough children.
Simple math = we are all fucked. As a race, ethnicity, culture, individual religion. All of it GONE in 2-3 generations.
Replaced with Brown people and Islam.
Not the future I wanted for my kids.
OP, get off your soap box, explore the world, and see what it is really like and you will realize your ideals are absolutely despicably genocidally stupid.
>>55346550
White wome <1.8% Sorry for typo and bad English.
You have a lot of fucking nerve. Cultural degeneration is happening all over Europe and you are blind for not taking notice.
>you should let people with terrible cultures contribute to your country's future culture
>it's all the same since it's going to be different in the future anyway
fuck off and die
>>55341470
>>55346550
They literally still stone people to death, and behead people and stick it on spikes, and shroud their women head to toe. What a wonderful enrichment that will bring to European civilization...
Wait wasn't it like that 500+ years ago, and we progressed past barbarity?
So how is replacement of European culture with one that in backwards (in that it was the way we re HUNDREDS of years ago) in any way advantageous?
>>55347202
>>55341470
Who would yu support at the siege of vienna back in 1600? The Turks or the europeans and why?
>>55341470
>Did the pagans of the Roman Empire ever complain about Christian domination or the loss of their identity?
Yes, and we still suffer from it.
>>55341470
Western civilisation has brought massive advancement to the world. That progress was built upon western values like freedom of speech, rule of law, separation of powers, democratic representation, individual rights and other principals.
These aspects of western civilisation are ESSENTIAL if one wants to build a stable, prosperous nation. Many of the cultures that seek to invade the west DEMAND as part of their core values, the elimination of those parts of western scociety that makes western nations worth moving to.
Over and over again immigrants leave unstable, hellpits of nations, move to the west then demand to repeat the cultural experiments that made their nations ruins. I refuse to allow immigration to destroy the centuries of progress and civilisation the west has built.
Fuck off we're full.
>>55343241
I'm not even white and I agree. No Muslim, Mexican, or black culture in America.
>>55347919
>That progress was built upon western values like freedom of speech, rule of law, separation of powers, democratic representation, individual rights and other principals
You named American values more than strictly western ones there m8.
You could argue that Europe was at a greater height of civilisation before it was fully democratic.
>>55341470
>implying bringing millions of backward, uneducated and hostile muslim men to Europe would be beneficial and natural
Do I even need to comment this? Muslims hate us, our values, our societies and us. You want a race war, fine, we don't, but apparently we're going to get one.
>>55346963
Yeah, pretty much this.
The question is, are all cultures equally good? If not, then why wouldn't you protect the one that is better, from being overtaken by the one that is worse?
The problem with liberals, is that they go into the culture debate, arguing that effectively, all cultures are equal. And even if they can accept that they aren't exactly the same, they will argue that everyone will always think their current culture is superior to all others. Thus, if everyone believes that their culture is superior to all others, then to say that one culture is superior to another, is to be bigoted.
Now, liberals don't actually believe that all cultures are equally good. Tthey want to believe it, because they don't want to look like they are intolerant of other cultures.But they don't actually believe it. No one can believe that.
With that said. I think most Westerners seriously overrate "Western culture". Especially considering most of the people on this board, actually hate western culture.
>>55348497
Those values are expressed in western nations all over the world, they are explicitly listed in the US is all. The values the US constitution was built upon had their basis in the ideologies and concepts built up in Europe.
>You could argue that Europe was at a greater height of civilisation before it was fully democratic.
I would argue that it was the democratic system that stabilised civilisation in Europe and it was that stability that allowed most large European nations to remain world powers for as long as they have.
>>55348783
Some would say that the wide adoption of those values you mentioned was the beginning of our decline and that they are part of the problem that needs to be addressed.
Our culture has failed because it no longer reproduces itself (all western countries have birth rates below replacement levels).
We could keep every immigrant out and we will still go extinct. Our values need a reassessment. There is too much focus on individualism and individual rights.
>>55341470
Losing your culture is different than having your culture raped away from you.
These barbarians have no interest in preserving the host nation's culture.
>>55347202
>>55347222
>tfw talking to my bleeding heart libkek aunt about this (she has a friend who used to live in Iran) and she thinks it's a bad thing because muh women's rights and equality
>>55341470
>spouting pro-immigration tripe
>use Japan as an example
Boy howdy you done fucked up good son.
At least we have our progressive video games, right?
>>55348976
>Our culture has failed because it no longer reproduces itself (all western countries have birth rates below replacement levels).
This is the argument used by pro-immigration shills to justify their bullshit. Like a declining population is literally the end of the world or a trend that will never stabilise or reverse.
Our culture has resulted in a population at the forefront of almost every conceivable measure of human progress, to suggest it has failed in any way is absurd. It has flaws but far fewer than any alternative.
These values have been perverted more recently by the SJW/Marxist ideology that was designed to damage the west but the core ideals themselves are sound. It is the lack of critical thinking in their application that must be addressed. Over and over we see the left abusing the ideals they purport to defend because of the skewed thinking inspired by leftist ideology.
Hold up. Using pro-immigration arguments? Suggesting western culture has failed? Dislike of individual rights? I think I have spotted the jew.
>>55348783
>I would argue that it was the democratic system that stabilised civilisation in Europe and it was that stability that allowed most large European nations to remain world powers for as long as they have.
Actually, the rise and stability of European powers, coincides with the rise of nationalism, not democracy. Democracy only seems to have triumphed, because the Democratic United States effectively colonized Western Europe(and Korea, Japan, etc), Post-WWII.
Nationalist, non-Democratic Germany, was arguably much more successful, when comparing apples to apples, to the European Democracies. It was only defeated, because the United States is larger(and thus has more resources), than all of Europe, minus Russia, combined.
>>55341470
>The only 2 things that I can name, which remain intact, are language and religion.
Surprise surprise, arabs fucking hate your language and want your religion gone!
>>55349473
>Using pro-immigration arguments?
No, I would prefer we dwindle and go extinct than be replaced by shitskin immigrants.
But just because immigration isn't the solution to our birth rate problem doesn't mean we can pretend it isn't a problem.
Your assumption that some magical force will intervene in the future and it will "stabilise" or reverse has no justification except wishful thinking.
All of the leftist/marxist shit destroying our countries is a direct result of democracy and excessive individual freedom.
You cannot curb the degeneracy without curbing peoples freedom to choose to be degenerate.
If you hold individual freedom as your highest value you will never be able to put a stop to the rot.
There is a diagram around somewhere which describes how societies with high individual freedom transition inevitably to abuse of that freedom. The freedom to worship God in any way you choose eventually turns into the freedom to deny god and to spit in God's face.
We have gone too far down the path of individual freedom. It no longer serves a pro-social purpose.
>>55341470
>Cultures die out when left to their own devices
That is completely false. The cannibals of Africa should be proof of that.
>Japan no longer has heavy Japanese culture
Yes, because of cultural influence from America. Their new culture is similar to American culture, German culture, British culture. The only difference is that they don't have immigration, so you don't see as much social justice as western countries. It's filled with porn though, so that's not too good.
>Did the Pagans ever complain about Christians
They came in and slaughtered the Pagans en masse. What the fuck do you think? Their cries just fell on the deaf ears of the enemy, and were forgotten.
>Hurr durr Islam is peaceful
Sure, that's why they're the cause for the number one terrorist group on EARTH. Seriously, they slaughter everyone else, and that somehow garners more sympathy for them. The Islamic group is filled with so many "extremists" that you'd think that they're just the average Muslim.
Think of it this way. Cultures are like fruit. You've got a banana over there, some Kiwi over there, an apple right there, and some rotted pumpkins in the corner. Now, you could enjoy these fruit as they are, or you could throw them in a blender and destroy every single fruit so you could have some general worldwide mix. Some singular culture that is nothing but an incoherent bastardization of all the other cultures and religions. Of course, you're just going to call me a bigot, so what's the point?
>>55349578
>cont..
The United States is actually the protector of democracy around the world. Had the United States not existed at all, it is unlikely that Democracy would even exist. It is actually a pretty terrible system.
To the extent that Democracy has been useful. It is because Democracy has been easy to control by the "international bankers/media". Thus allowing international influence/control of governments and resources.
All other systems tend towards nationalism. Internationalism will always beat nationalism in a straight-up fight. In WWII, it was 90% of the world, vs 10%. And the nationalists, weren't really even helping each other.
>>55349916
>Your assumption that some magical force will intervene in the future and it will "stabilise" or reverse has no justification except wishful thinking.
There is no justification that it is an unstoppable trend towards extinction either.
Every animal population on earth when not influenced by extreme outside forces, reaches a stable population level with a small, repeating, oscillation.
Every projection I have seen has shown western nations levelling off then going into a gentile decline, not a meteoric plumit. The rate of decline would see us back at 1980's population after a century then the projections stop. There is no way to know if this is the beginning of that same oscillation seen in nature but there is no reason to think it is the precursor to a precipitous drop in population either, especially with the rate of decline so low compared to the growth of previous decades and centuries.
>>55341470
I suppose the most telling question here is - do you think its xenophobic if islamic people don't change their culture?
>>55341470
of course all culture is equally irrelevant OP (who is totally not a faggot)
this is why africans are sending probes out to explore the solar system while dumb europeans still live in mudhuts and believe in magic
This video shows what happens when the dumb europeans get culturally enriched by clever africans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
>>55350475
>Every projection I have seen has shown western nations levelling off then going into a gentile decline, not a meteoric plumit.
Well, you're putting too much faith in "projections". Who is making these projections? Have projections ever been accurate?
The future is unknown, but the reason populations have tanked in some parts of the world, is mostly the result of economics. For the most part, the government, and the media, can control the rate of reproduction in their nation, by either providing incentives, or disincentives to people who have children.
The truth is, the world is kind of like an animal farm, and you really are sheep. To the extent that governments have supported population growth in the past, it is that population growth was useful in providing extra resources to the state(IE extra labor). But, at some point, the state doesn't really benefit from extra labor. And even if they do, they would prefer low-wage labor imported from third-world countries, to high-priced domestic labor.
Plus, if you have a nation built mostly on the exploitation of natural resources. And if to some extent, everyone in the country is entitled to some "piece of the pie". Then the more people in a country, the smaller the piece of the pie for each person.
And when you have an economy primarily built on the sale of luxury goods, you would rather lower the population size, to increase per-capita income, thus allowing people the ability to afford those luxuries.
At some point in the future, most labor will be provided by machines/robots. Which means, most human labor, would be completely unnecessary. At that point, the more people there are, the poorer everyone will be. So going into the future, there will be a strong desire by the political elites, to lower total population size.
>>55341470
There is no level of radical change that would be too much for blind faggots like this. There is no level of discomfort too great and no loss too severe. So long as it's all abstract and the faggot himself doesn't feel the pain of seeing his own kind destroyed in a few decades, faggots like this are happy.
Change is eternal
we are all immigrants
there is nothing worth saving
In the times of the crusades, this faggot would have handed over his sister, his children and his wife to the muslim hordes as a sacrifice to the holy god of change. Why fight? Why resist? You're just a limp wrist tumbleweed, helpless to stop the forces of history after all.
