https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsOz_J6tJVU
Watch the whole thing, it's fucking hilarious.
Stefan annihilated this dude. He basically just moved on the next caller when the dude admitted that he's a massively insecure dude who needs to feel like there is a creator, and that humans are not insignificant in the universe. I actually felt really bad for the guy by the time it was over.
>>55327011
Now this is shitposting. Stefan got so badly beaten he finally gave up and moved on to the next caller. He literally quit and changed the subject.
>>55327011
I generally dislike Stefan getting into the 'what got you interested in this topic' angle with a caller, usually ending with a story of a fucked up family, but it was bang on right in this case.
The guy must have had some pretty bad shit happen to him to want that universe specially geared to him.
>>55327530
>Stefan got so badly beaten
On the off chance you are not joking, what are you talking about?
The caller literally admitted to disregarding photographic evidence from sources that did not conform to his theory but actively endorsing those that did. Seemingly without even realising what's wrong with it. He also agreed that the amount of people who'd have to be involved in a conspiracy to cover up a flat Earth, just to make people feel small and hopeless would have to be ludicrously high.
Link to the video of shooting a laser across the ocean?
>>55328109
i feel the same way. one situation that comes to mind is when Stefan said to a caller who claimed to occasionally smoke weed that it was the result of childhood trauma, as if you couldnt be well a adjusted person and smoke pot. I think he goes a little too far with some of his theories about trauma, but in the case of the flat earther, he completely exposed him as a massively deluded person trying to deal with a case of severe existenstial crisis
>>55326618
Isn't he the guy who blames every personal issue ever on someone's mother?
>>55328944
>Stefan said to a caller who claimed to occasionally smoke weed that it was the result of childhood trauma
Haven't seen that one. Did he go at it via needing something to help him relax?
Really, I get it that he's got an interest in therapy via his wife and that's fine, plus with some caller likes the Flat Earther there's very little else to do (and to Stefan's credit he hasn't really dug into it in this call) once past a certain point because the caller is simply incapable of defending their position - possibly in an emotional way that redirects the discussion - but it still reduces the overall quality of the show he's making. It gets repetitive and much too predictable, which is why I generally prefer his videos where's he's making a point in a presentation, addresses criticisms or has a proper interview with people who are experts in one field or another.
>>55326618
>when the redpill hits you for the first time
I still don't know what to think of Stefan. Recently he's probably been talking more sense than ever, but something's off about this guy, I don't even know whether it's this cult of personality or really himself.
Being good at debating doesn't necessarily mean you're right.
>>55329782
>this cult of personality
I keep hearing about this but there's nothing substantial save for Thundercunt's butthurt accusations about him after Stefan made him look really fucking stupid while addressing his comment on one of his videos. Besides that accusation, is there anything else?
As for him being 'off', it's equally strange. Sure, he's got a bit of a theatrical style, but so do all halfway worthwhile public speakers. What's so weird about him? I'm legit curious.
>>55330175
The defooing thing sends red flags, the way he has that blank stare in his eye while he rants about Frozen for an hour is weird. Watching his videos I feel like I'm in that movie Equilibrium and that guy is on every monitor and people are stopping to take their anti-feeling shots while watching him. I can't imagine someone watching his videos routinely without ending up sounding like some autistic atheist libertarian nihilist.
>>55326618
In this video Molyneux tries to fix stupid and fails.
His effort was entertaining though.
The caller claims to only accept things he can prove for himself.
Accepts the ship/telescope video as proof even though he didn't make the video.
Should have told the caller to try the ship/telescope experiment himself.
Still wouldn't have fixed stupid, but could have gotten rid of the caller sooner.
>>55330175
I don't mind Thunderf00t or any other "feminist BTFO" youtubers, most of them bore me, so I don't know what accusations you mean. But for the time I've been following Stefan's videos, I never knew what to think of him, as he seems to be extremely strident and sometimes shortsighted in his opinions. You can't argue he has a strong fanbase simply because of his polemics and his big ego. It's this TAA/C. Hitchens effect: Be loud and shut only the weakest opponents down to convince all the others of your worldview. That probably doesn't explain why I think he's 'off', but that's what I genuinely dislike, even though I often agree with him.
this guy is not based
>>55327011
Yeah I really felt bad for the caller. He was so genuinely convinced and has devoted much of his time to a belief fueled by a critically flawed argument. Incredibly sad, and you could tell that the caller was delusional.
For those who don't want to watch the whole thing, it boils down to:
>Caller says he doesn't believe things he can't observe
>Caller goes on to say he can't believe government photos of the Earth being spherical because he wasn't there to see it himself
>Caller says he's seen pictures of the Earth showing how it is flat by the flat earth believers
>Stefan points out the caller's hypocrisy and the conversation turns into the typical frantic conspiracy theorist blaming the non-believer for not spending exorbitant amounts of money to further the cause
Sad.
>>55329782
He has a degree in history/philosophy and was involved with theatre as a child/college student. This combined with his turbulent upbringing gives what can be described as a charismatic leader. He knows the facts, and he knows how people work. He's married to a therapist/psychologist so that helps as well. The reason why people fear him is because he's a rare example of a very influential speaker with very extreme ideas (he's a self described anarchist/libertarian). Overall, Stefan preaches self responsibility and self ownership, he's against the use of force and wants to make a better world for his daughter any way he can. Good guy with good intentions it seems, but the way he makes his case scares people into thinking he's going to Waco some shit up. Also, in no way is he 100% right all the time, and he acknowledges this in the Joe Rogan interview.
>people ITT are discussing a debate over a flat earth like it was a real debate
>>55329782
oh look the cult meme
gj now go tell thunderfoot how well you did
>>55330437
>The defooing thing sends red flags
I'm yet to come across a video where he talks about it himself. Can you link one?
Generally the idea seems sound enough, you get out of an abusive relationship. In relation to Thunderf00t's stuff and that one interview I watched all he mentions is that it is perfectly accepted therapeutic practice, it applies only to abusive relationships and that it is the last, drastic step in a professionally assisted process of trying to fix your relationship. And that his wife was cautioned because she gave advice without establishing a doctor-patient relationship to one of the callers.
Then again I mostly just listen, unless it's a presentation with charts and whatnot.
Also, got a link on a video he did on Frozen? I haven't seen the film, but I presume he likes it because his daughter likes it or something?
>>55330979
Basically Thunderf00t made a retarded comment on a video Stefan did (pic related, video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx_4svbYaDE), to which Stefan responded in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ7kVawy684
In response Thundef00t made a video 1:1 likening Stefan's show to a literal cult, basically quote-mining him and cutting around points to make him look as bad as he could. It's pretty despicable, honestly.
>Be loud and shut only the weakest opponents down
Surely that requires you to be an impartial third party observer of the tactic, and have reliable knowledge of the spectrum of critics he gets?
If all he ever did was respond to YouTube criticisms, you'd have a perfectly fair point but as far as I can tell he's gone out of his way to address 'Questions Libertarians/Anarchists/Philosophers Can't Answer' lists too.
The best trial of that would probably be finding a topic you disagree with him (say, nationalism, an area I myself am on a different opinion than Stefan) and see if he responds, let's you call in or something.
It would actually be pretty interesting to have someone from /pol/ give his show a call.
>>55331181
And I absolutely accept that, never said I wasn't. I simply disagree and feel like he's only arguing with people that are clearly not as eloquent as him.
I'd love to see a debate between him and an authoritarian, because I feel like his viewers are too narrow minded when it comes to the role of government in society,
>>55331924
Yeah I get that feeling as well. All of his call ins that I've watched have been teenage/20 somethings stumbling around basic logic, and all of the adult call ins are just experts in a field that have done research such as the immigration and welfare guy and the psychologist lady who talked about genetics or some shit.
I'd like to see someone similar to Stefan argue with him. It's easy to look intelligent when you're talking to yourself or to inexperienced youth. Although he does do his research, and the best videos he has are the ones that are more of a presentation like his welfare presentation.
I was really disappointed when the caller said he is devoting his time and effort to this topic because:
A - it makes him believe in a God
B - makes him feel significant unlike the regular mode. where Sun, Earth and humans are absolutely irrelevant
I like when intelligent people entertain idiotic ideas just for the mental exercise, but he is doing it cuz of personal issues which is not as fascinating
I was a little disappointed to learn that Stefan doesn't believe in Climate Change. You'd think he'd agree with the vast majority of climatologists that have spent years researching the subject.
>>55332269
>I'd like to see someone similar to Stefan argue with him
Agreed, that would be pretty good. There was a debate he had in Brazil against a socialist philosopher (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpqyepCPphA), but that's the closest I got and arguing against a socialist statist is right up Stefan's alley.
There ought to be a couple of more heavy weight people out there nonetheless with whom he could have an actual debate. Shame so much of academia is just your general leftist socialist nonsense that barely varies the argument and that most people on the right who are authoritarian are also typically nationalists who don't particularly deal in universals and in the case of Europeans don't have much of an interest in libertarianism.
>>55332458
vast majority - I'm pretty sure he'd say that is an appeal to authority or popularity fallacy
>>55331924
I am one of his vewiers and I think his anarcho ideas are absolutely retarded and not functional.
Why do you propose all his viewers agree with him?
>>55332458
>Stefan doesn't believe in Climate Change
He's a bit skeptical about the human-caused version of climate change and the often-parroted idea that 97% of scientists agree with the thesis, rather than out and out arguing against climate change. Big difference.
There was a recent, shorter video he did on WHY he changed his mind, but dig around his videos where he does outline his actual reasons more properly.
>>55332816
Think of it this way - no thinking person questions the theory of evolution or the theory of gravity as they both have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. It's the same way for Global Warming. It IS happening, and saying you "don't believe in it" is nonsense. You either accept it, or you don't.
>>55333209
>no thinking person
Gotta stop you right there.
As opposed to what? Non-thinking people?
You're argument is if someone disagrees with you then they have no brain.
Truth is even people who doubt evolution or gravity think.
>>55333209
>>55333157
Found the one that might be a bit better than the recent, frankly rather rubbish, one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTaXqVEGkU In this he attacks the 97% consensus and the paper that argued it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbgcyW-MqtY I have not watched this one but seems like he's got an expert along and there might be a bit more of a substantial discussion there.
>>55332785
That's what happens when western education throws classical liberalism(free speech, self ownership, and etc) out the window and replaces it with a cancerous form of liberalism that with current trends in consideration, looks like it'll end up being absurdism in the near future.
When you remove logical argument and critical thinking from academia, you stop progressing.
>1:08:11
No thanks
>>55331248
>implying this is not how literally every world religion started
>I saw God
>no you didn't
>yes I did!
>Prove it!
>Prove it I didn't
>Group a: I believe him
>Group b: I don't believe him
>[religious war breaks out]
>>55333960
Allahu Akbar!
