Do you support enforced conscription, /pol/?
"enforced" as in if you don't want to just bring a note from your mom
>tfw one lazy eye
>tfw hearing loss on one ear
I'm a failure.
>>55317332
Yes, but it needs to be worked on, should be 1 year as well, so no hazing and shit
>>55317332
Yes but only for children that didn't have a father figure
>>55317694
Why? Isn't forcing people to serve in millitary a violation of human rights?
>>55317332
NORGE BEST COUNTRY!
>>55317724
>turn all the roaming dindus into G.I. Jamal
Good luck with that.
>>55317767
by that logic forcing people to go to school and to work is a violation of human rights as well
>>55317332
Son of a bitch! Now I know why there were so many brazilian immigrants here a few years ago.
Fags were evading......poverty my ass!
>>55317821
Ole?
>>55317960
I know you Jews have no understanding of the value of human life, but please just think for a second about how soldiers and students might possibly be different.
>>55317767
Teaches you national pride and gets you for. Not to mention you learn how to fight. It's not like you actually go to war ( unless your at war obvioulsly )
>Libya is grey because it ceased to exist in 2011
No, because I'm not a statist kek
>>55317960
>going to school to get education is the same as going to barracks
>>55318051
>Teaches you national pride
How come?
>>55317960
Usually school and work won't put you in risk of death. Not that it matters. To Jews, every life is disposable.
>>55318086
Damn dude you nailed it. I wonder which country ransacked Egypt. Must be the country that think their country is best, and consume so much burgers.
It'd probably do everyone a lot of good if there was mandatory service like in switzerland.
I have mixed feelings on it. I was in the Marine Corps for 5 years and I do think quite a few people would get some benefit out of serving for a year or two in some sort of capacity. There would be a less of a divide between the "warrior class" that serves in the military and everyone else. There'd be a greater onus on politicians to end wars sooner, let alone even beginning military action, if a greater amount of the constituency was in the military. However, the quality of personnel would go down drastically and I think doing away with conscription has mostly been a good thing.
>>55318099
>>55317332
As somebody who in the beginning of january will be conscripted into 6 months of drafting or whatever the hell you call it I have to say I am pretty happy that this is still a thing. It's good for the body, you get to shoot a rifle a few times and in case of american invasion you at least know the basics of fighting in case you want to become a partisan or some shit.
10/10 would forcefully enroll russians just for fun
>>55317332
If I was not fat I would probably have joined army on my own will.
>>55318199
>a lot of good
By forcefully taking people's time of their lives? In times of war, there's general mobilization anyways, so I see no reason for it.
>>55317332
Brazil has conscription? Since when?
>>55317332
I don't want to waste 18 months without internet and vacations.
>>55317332
Respectable military force is the only working deterrent a small nation without oil can afford.
>>55318267
What if there are people who don't want to learn the basics of fighting? Also, there are specific courses for those that do.
>>55318157
In some countries the only patriots are soliders
I wish we had some conscription time here in poland, would help to harden up all those fags that are now majority in our schools.
>>55318431
Not sure about other countries. But here you can decide between military for 6 months or civil service (feeding disabled and scrubbing old peoples backs) for 9 months. So an alternative might be a good thing. But let's be honest. Once shit would hit the fan and we had a WWIII they would conscript everybody regardless of whether they actually have Conscription laws or not.
Conscription is the stupidest idea ever.
How can a real soldier trust a man who is not willingly putting his own mortal body between the enemy and his country.
I wouldn't want a man like that by my side in a war.
Volunteers ALWAYS make better soldiers.
>>55317332
Yes. Abolishing it was a mistake.
>>55318448
You can be a patriot and love your nation without being a soldier. Also, what if somebody doesn't want to be a patriot? Millitary isn't going to change them.
>>55318502
Look at those hardened manly men in South Korea
>>55318317
Since forever argiebro, but most people (like me) go straight to the reserve and don't have any training whatsoever.
>>55318580
>poland
Real surprising there
>conscription
Unless your military service consists of REPEATED service, it's not real conscription in my book.
Israel & Switzerland best armies in the world senpai
>>55317767
Because "human rights" are made up faggotry
>>55317332
Support it. Its gets young fuckups like me fit, and removes quite a bit of liberal brainwashing. Plus, shows that your country is not a fuckup like your own media tries to tell you
>>55317332
>plan to abolish conscription in the near future
nope
yes,but a Russian style one
where conscripts aren't the "Real military"
>>55318761
So you think the government should be free to violate your human rights?
>mexico
>forced conscription
That is retarded, nothing happens if you don't participate in the army.
I don't know what's the situation with other countries but I don't mind ours. We're in a position where we have to have one because of ruskies. If we were geologically somewhere safer then I wouldn't see a point.
>>55317332
>taking hundreds of thousands of valuable employees out of circulation for at least 3 years
>no discernible social benefits
For what purpose
there is enforced conscription in chile .. but every year the recruitment centers get full of volunteers ... i get to go this year ... i can still offer as a volunteer until november 18 or i will be call ... i wanted to give the military servise so it isnt dat bad ...
>>55318840
I only care about them violating my constitutional rights because those are an actual thing my ancestors died for
>>55318672
Because here you don't fight for you nation, you fight for the corrupt government and politicians that betrayed this country and tell you to support them unconditionally whether they're right or wrong or you're not a real patriot.
>>55317332
Yes.
If people who vote don't have a stake in the country, then the vote is wasted.
Having to fight if a war breaks out is part of that.
>>55318932
which are also made up faggotry
>>55317332
if your nation is under the danger of another, teaching people how to fight is the same as teaching people earthquake measures at an asian country
>b-but i don't wanna fight
then gtfo of my country traitor
>>55318932
The US constitution was written based on the concept of human rights of the time. The concept of human rights came from the Enlightment ideas which were the basis of the constitution.
>>55318997
In my eyes I don't care who I really fight for (I mean as long as it is Winland) but who I'd have to fight against.
Only acceptable enemy is ruski or towelies, anything else would be a nope.
>>55317332
Yes, I fully support universal military service for every male citizen - with the exception of honest conscientious objectors who are free to do civilian service in hospitals or with ambulances etc. instead. As did the majority of my country who overwhelmingly (60%) voted in favour of keeping compulsory military (or civilian) service in 2013. Socialists and Greens were btfo.
Every young man needs to be taught how a gun works and be trained in how to shoot and kill if the need arises, and be able to work together with others in an organized defense. Women should be able to join the military on a voluntary basis if they are physically and mentally able to do so.
In addition, all this will work to keep psychological barriers low with regards to guns, boosting private gun ownership for law-abiding citizens and keeping the country more secure.
depends on the state of the army. i'd serve in finnish army, but cleaning toilets in the russian one? no thanks. good thing i'm medically unfit :^)
>>55319160
That first guy better be about to shoot at the mud.
>>55319039
>>55319118
Does not change the fact that they are an actual legal document while human rights are just muh feels
>>55319173
This,I don't want to die licking a boot in some shitty jungle
>>55319160
>overwhelmingly (60%) voted in favour of keeping compulsory military (or civilian) service
Let's be honest. It really only was because of the civil service. Unfortunately.
Also I think women too should be forced to go to one of said two. They want the equality after all. So they should work for it too.
>>55319243
The declaration of human rights is a legal document, signed by most countries.
>>55319243
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
so is human rights m8
>>55317332
NOPE.
Hands down the worst time of my life.
>>55319357
How long did you do? Why bad?
>>55319324
>>55319326
>I care about international law
>the UN can enforce anyting
>>55318049
Students are just learning to shoot and to be shot, and soldiers already know?
>Free country
>Government can compel you to serve them for year(s) of your short life
Pick one.
>>55319160
Do you honestly want to have 18 months of your life taken and wasted (because the things you say that are essential could be taught as a form of a course) to be commanded by the government that doesn't care about you, but only wants to force its ideological radicalities on citizens?
Damn, I will never understand boot-lickers.
>>55319160
How does Austria treat men who are unable to serve? In Switzerland they gotta pay 3% of their taxable income until they turn 30 or something like that. I think women should pay the same if they don't serve. It's a law from back when women didn't hold jobs and weren't allowed to vote, it's about time they get the same responsibilities.
>>55319436
You signed it too idiot. In fact it was your idea in the first place. Your government can enforce it just as much as the constitution.
If you want an interesting point of view on Conscription, you should read Starship troopers.
In the book, the Military is made up completely of volunteers, and it justifies this.
It says that a man who will not willingly place his own mortal body between his enemy and his country can not be trusted with authority or responsibility.
You only have to ask yourself if you'd trust a man to lead you or fight next to you, when he didn't want to be there in the first place, if he wasn't prepared to do what is necessary to protect his own country, who is he to have any say on how it is governed.
Conscription is how the old and malicious force young men into doing their dirty work for them, and more often than not, it drastically fails anyway.
And if your country has to go so far as to issue conscription in a time of war, then that country is clearly not worth enough to those who might otherwise volunteer.
>>55319560
But I dont care if it is violated
>>55317332
Yes,we need trained citizens to fight if a war starts.
Best thing about it is that everyone learns how to shoot a gun.
>>55319512
The abuse you get mostly improves stress resistance, or breaks you. Its a nice maturing ritual. Some men need it, some dont, some break down and cry afterwards.
And its not time wasted if your government has made reservations and laws that demand businesses maintain your job or studies. You are not opting out of your lifes tracks out of the blue with no social guarantees.
And the government does not need to hold your hand and tell you you are special, tbqh fäm. It just needs to know if it can consider you worth arming in its defence or just treat you as worthless civilian refugees.
Plus as to your oh-so-special, wont defend the country if my favourite party lost the elections- Militaries are strictly non-political, and some of the most honest men i knew i found first in the coscripted masses
>>55319803
And what if many of those citizens don't WANT to fight?
Sure, you can threaten to court martial them, hang them by the neck until dead, execution by firing squad.
But the desire to run is more prevalent in todays society than the will to fight.
That is what separates a Soldier from a civilian, and no matter how much you threaten them, a civilian will NEVER fill the shoes of a soldier.
>>55319851
This guy gets it. You did well estonia. You may not into nordic
>>55317332
It's only one year now (more if you choose civil service instead) and you get fit, learn some discipline and how to use guns. I don't really see a downside. I'd gladly serve in the military if I was healthy.
>>55319909
Government propaganda will stop them from running,it will make they hate the enemy and fear for what the enemy will do to his family and his country if he don't fight.
No, because war is a tool of the jew.
>>55317332
2 year stint in basic military training for both men and women would knock the stupid out of millenials and probably would dispel irrational fear of firearms.
But it would never happen that way, men maybe but never women.
>>55319233
They're fresh recruits, they learn eventually.
>>55319319
I think the "we can't afford to lose cilvilian servicers" argument was for many just a socially acceptable pretense, when they could'nt just say: "I had to go through that and it didn't hurt me. Now I want the young to do their part. A bit of military drilling and robbing in the mud will do those spoiled cunts good." Radical views are rarely expressed in polls, at least not by intelligent people. But yes, truth be told, the civilian service plug may have won over the votes of scared elder ladies.
Regarding the equality draft for women: to be honest, women are biologically much more valuable than men. In the past, men have been dying by the 10.000s in battle and it barely made a dent demographic-wise, as long as women were bringing up a new generation. Now of course one can say: our women are not having children anymore and that argument goes out the window... I'm on the fence: I wouldn't have a problem with compulsory civil service for women, and the ability to opt in into military service (if they are capable).
>>55319512
18 months is too much. 6 months is too little (as is currently the case in AT). 9-12 months should be enough for basic and specialist training. As a recruit you don't need to be special forces tier; just be able to survive on the battlefield, operate tactically together with others up to platoon level, and function in your position inside a very large organisation. Understanding anything beyond that is the job of career soldiers or reserve officers.
Btw, an "army of citizens" is the opposite of a boot-licking military caste separated from the people they are supposed to protect. You should study up on the Swiss-style militia system. But of course your NATO boot-licking experience may be different.
>>55319552
An 50% extra time (as opposed to military recruits) in some civilian service capacity.
Plus banned from owning guns for 15 years.
Forbidden from joining the police; which has been amended a few years ago: it's now possible if they declare that their conscientious doubts are now over.
>>55317332
Everyone kind of wants to fuck up Russia and it has been so for centuries. Yes, I support enforced conscription, who else will help us to defend our country. Military is the only thing that can guarantee sovereignty.
>>55317767
>Human
>Rights
>>55317616
>tfw kidney stones
Yes, it should be part of a type of education program for those not already in a sports team or in the top 50% of their area for education they should be made, for 3 years, to take part-time military training. Allowing for continued education and for the person to maintain a job.
Not only does this increase fitness but improves discipline and provides valuable work experience.
>>55317332
Yes. I would also support a shorter, lighter and more nursing or survival oriented conscription for women.
Something similar to conscription could be useful. If everyone had some sort of mandatory duty to serve their country it could bring our nation together.
If you for some reason are unfit for military service you could serve in something else that helps the community.
It's a good way to educate the public.
>>55317616
Don't worry. If war breaks out they will take people even without hands.
>>55318891
This, decades ago they wouldn't give you your passport or some shit if you didn't but now people just ignore it and nothing happens.
>>55322970
Nice idea, but I doubt that would happen with all the women thinking they're equal to men.
>>55325389
How about if it would be mandatory for women to attend the lighter version, but they could join the men if they wanted, like how it is right now. I also proposed this idea to two girls and they both agreed desu.
I think consciption is great, I love everything military so being in it was fun.
>>55318763
My friend went to the army the previous summer. Shit there was like WWI trench digging.
>>55318540
Conscripts rarely end up on the front line, there are always plenty of heavy boxes that need moving and files that need stacking.
Lowers overall quality of military personnel, but it definitely has its perks
Better just to offer incentives to voluntarily join
>>55318267
> implying america gives a fuck about austria
