The lawmakers in Barcelona voted today to start the process of leaving Spain ! Spanish civil war 2.0 incoming!
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/catalonia-independence-barcelona-parliament-approves-secession-roadmap-spain-1527864
>>55310246
lel not a chance tbqh
DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE MEMES CATALUNIA
There's not going to be no civil war, just plain independence. Deal with it fags.
>>55310419
I don't understand. How does one get independence without fighting a war?
>>55310476
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution
>>55310476
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_Czechoslovakia
>>55310476
By just having a majority of the populace wanting it, like in Catalonia right now...? There are dozens of nations that have gained independence with no armed conflict.
Can I just start calling you Castile after Leon, Aragorn, Galicia, and Andalusia break away?
>>55310419
>>55310476
>>55310520
>assblasted cataloniafag legitimately believes for some fucked reason that spain is simply gonna let them go because they whinged for it.
no you don't get to be free for shiggles and nothing else, thats fucking stupid.
>>55310419
> Just plain indepedence
Really? How do you plan to do that?
>>55310520
But those nations the goverment was willing/pressured to let them go. Unless you get the backing of a big country, do you really think Spain will just take it?
>>55310520
>Majority of the populace
Only one third are in favor of independence.
Stop lying.
There's no independence for those delusional faggots.
But I hope they'll get it so leave us alone with his jewish shit.
Catalonians = kikes
>>55310707
>his
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>>55310656
Would be smarter on Spains part to just let them go before it actually becomes a bigger problem for them.
Let them have their little country and just make life hell for them by cutting them off from basically the rest of the world.
>>55310746
Not even, just bomb the rebellious little shits until they learn better or learn to properly fight back. Countries get free by blood and fire, not because they are pussies, the ones who get free for nothing turn into retarded shit really fast, hell look at canada as the perfect example of this.
There's no real backup on independence, just a few rich catalonians making a lot of noise.
Also spanish government said army will take part if they try to secede. It seems some catalonians want another bombing on Barcelona :^)
>>55310707
Artur Mas' wife, Helena Rakosnik, is a jewish ashkenazi.
Israel is supporting Catalan secession.
http://www.alertadigital.com/2012/10/01/los-judios-contra-espana-israel-apuesta-por-una-cataluna-independiente-y-lopez-tena-habla-ya-de-relaciones-amigables-entre-los-dos-estados/
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/topic/2270356/
http://www.mediavida.com/foro/off-topic/israel-le-dara-independencia-cataluna-511018
>>55310707
why haven't you guys gone and properly bombed the shitters.
its not like you guys actually like them already.
just treat them like you treat the basques or we treat native americans, its all good, eventually the fuckheads will die and become irrelevant.
>>55310520
>By just having a majority of the populace wanting it, like in Catalonia right now...?
Centre d'Estudis d'Opinió (June 2015):
- 43% Yes
- 50% No
Go away. Even Catalans don't want independence. Firstly, it's illegal under the Spanish Constitution. Secondly, you will become a failed state if it happens. You know what happened in Canada when Quebec almost became independent? All of the major businesses left for the Anglo-Provinces and Quebec had a serious economic crisis. They are only starting to return now that people stopped trying to separate. Thirdly, Spain is not just going to let Catalunia go, there will be violent conflicts. Asks the Basques, they didn't even get independence after how many years of pacifist and subsequently violent struggles.
This is all a political maneuver by your nationalist Catalan politicians. The people don't support it. I've been to Catalunia. You ban Castellano and force kids to speak Catalan in schools to their detriment. All your signs are in Catalan with no Castellano translations yet most of people are not fluent in the language. You go out on the street and EVERYONE speaks Castellano anyways. You think because you have Barcelona you can survive as an independent state? From what, tourism alone and a few companies headquartered there? Then what, most of your trade is going to be with the rest of Spain anyways, conducted in Castellano.
Los politicos nacionalistas de Catalunia te an lavado el cerebro...
>>55310946
>>55310476
>How does one get independence without fighting a war?
I fucking love you USA. Never change.
>>55310246
LONG LIVE GENERAL FRANCO, RESURGENCE OF FASCISM WHEN
>>55310980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMspDU48vSU
Good. Send all the refugees to catalonia.
>>55310951
We already did years ago, but they keep trying. Last time was marxism-communism, what a surprise.
>>55310946
I'm not surprised about this... Fuck this kike world.
>>55311017
>>55311087
>>55311017
Why are kikes involved with everything?
>>55311118
>read this as "California independence"
>get excited
>realize what an idiot i am
a man can dream. 55 less electoral votes for dems...
>>55311131
Because they run the world. It's more than a meme.
desu kek senpai
>>55311145
>>55311118
We need the Legion to attack Israel.
>>55311131
Catalonia was always a marxist land, they were involved with URSS jews before.
>>55311178
Great vid
But Catalonia is a chunk of Spain that would be missed economically and politically right?
Spanish fags help me out on this. You can't just let them leave, can you?
>>55311216
>>55310746
>>55310516
>>55310497
>>55310419
>>55310520
This was just today. Does that look like a solid majority support in favour of independence? You're such a fucking idiot.
>>55311152
The rest of the country wouldn't even give a fuck of you tried, we're all waiting for you shits to drown off anyway so we can start setting up beach-front property in Arizona.
>>55310476
I don't know about Catalonia, but if one of our cantons voted to leave the Eidgenossenschaft, I'd vote for letting them go.
>>55311224
They can't leave even if they vote so because is against Constitution, but they will keep pushing with useless polls.
What laws would they have?
Do they have a draft constitution or what?
>>55311232
http://multimedia.e-noticies.es/humor/mas-israel-es-un-pais-estrategico-para-cataluna-80586.html
>>55310246
The problem with this is that Catalonians are all leftist, multiculturalist, anti-white traitors.
If they were genuine nationalists fighting for their own people, id have no problems with them.
But they want independence so they can sell out their "country" to the banks and immigrants.
So fuck them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spz6a-xcGHc
>>55311254
I think he was saying it would be a good thing too. Calm down edgelord.
>>55311008
>just giving up territories because they want independence
Never change, UK. This is why today you are some unimportant island nation being colonized by Muslims. Never give things away. Assert your strength and smite those who dare question the Empire.
>>55311278
Makes sense. Is your government worried about it?
Also what would happen if they did leave and break constitution? Surely they won't fight for a fucking 'Catalonian' state
>>55310246
>The lawmakers in Barcelona voted today to start the process of leaving Spain !
It's a fucking disgrace!
I know nothing about this shit. Can someone please give me a quick run down on why Catalonia wants to leave Spain?
>>55311224
They're not going to just let them leave. Spain has made it very clear that if Catalonia were to somehow gain independence they would block their accession into the EU and basically make it painful for them to do anything. Think about the problems facing Scotland if it left the UK and magnify them 10x and you'd get Catalonia's situation. It's not going to happen unless Spain gets pressured by other large nations and even then it's unlikely. No one outside of Catalonia cares.
>>55311254
this >>55311314
fucking retard
>>55311316
What the fuck are you talking about you dumb nigger.
You think that no country has had their Independence without a war?
Dumb fucking amerinigger
>>55311131
In Catalonia's case, the catalans has always been called the spanish kikes because their region is the most successful with commerce.
>>55311345
>all industry and stuff is there
>they pay for the rest
>don't want to do that anymore
>>55310246
What would be the best country to ask for asylum once civil war starts?
>>55311327
Our government does not worry at all, but they said if Catalonia breaks Constitution the army will enter there.
>>55311345
They say Spain opresses them, go figure who's behind this...
>>55311361
I'm saying no country SHOULD.
Fight for land and resources. No one should be able to just tell their overlords they want freedom and get it. Because strength trumps everything.
>>55311178
I went to Barcelona last year and I actually saw that man!
>>55311311
Pretty much this.
They want independence to flood the country with inmigrants. Makes no sense, they are truly fucked up in their heads.
That the delusion of leftist "nationalism".
>>55311278
the principle of self-determination as listed in the UN Charter trumps your faggy constitution, you filthy normativist.
>>55311424
I agree.
I was having a laugh because it was 'typical' American response to the thread. No country should become independent through peace, it ensures their nation is a nation of keks forever.
>>55311424
>having an overlord
>not being your own overlord
>>55311083
Franco still got booty blasted with help from Hitler...bunch of fascist faggots
>>55311437
He is the president of Catalonia, and the leader of the secessionist.
>>55311008
If you aren't willing to die for freedom, you don't deserve freedom. Simple as that.
>>55311402
This so much. If a civil war starts im moving to Germany and ask for muh free germoneis. Syrians can so will I
>>55311440
As if Spain was not already being flooded by migrants and sold by its corrupt leaders.
>>55311424
That's not how it works in democracies. In an absolute monarchy or dictatorship then maybe, but a democracy could be the most powerful nation in the world and still lose to savages because the public opinion turned against war. Just look at Vietnam, NK, and the Middle East. We went in there, kicked ass, then left after having done a half assed job thanks to people's whining.
>>55311452
Actually the other day the king went begging to the UN to say something about Catalonia and they said that the right to self-determination is only for poor, war-torn ex-colonies. Rich countries have no right to be their own state according to the UN.
>>55311452
>being this keked by the E.U agenda
>disregarding national sovereignty
>>55311452
Look the poll results... It's just their government pushing for it, brainwashing catalonians with false history events at school.
>>55311503
What? Franco won civil war by far...
>>55311453
Typical Redcoat, advocating war for independence.
>>55310863
Shut up, you act like you've been in a war for Independence before. You never have, never will be, and you don't know shit.
>bomb em
You fucking retard
>>55311520
This is why I like you burgers.
It's a shame the majority of my nation has been c.ucked, but at least one of our former colonies are doing well.
>>55311399
>Years ago the rest of Spain invested a huge amount of money in Catalonia
>Now they want to leave and have it all for them without even paying
Whatever. If you want independence, you should acquire a debt with the rest of Spain and pay it through the years. And you should lose your Spanish nationality of course, and every right that comes with it.
>>55311545
Thats why I would understand independence if it was going to change anything. But it is in fact going to make it even worse lol
>>55311503
There was a dictatorship until he died. And if I remember right, the Basques terrorist killed his most probable successor Carrero Blanco. Feels good being basque
Català here.
All about this "process" is so pants on head retarded that I don't even.
>>55311547
Right, but we're a democracy because we have the strength to tell would be dictators to fuck off.
Once we are conquered we have no right to have independence.
>>55311596
Shut up
Are you mistreating them or why do they want independence?
>>55311614
I would gladly give up spanish nationality if that means I lose the right to be robbed by corrupt politicians.
>>55311593
Yeah, took 3 years even with money and supplies from hitler. . .fascist faggots
Admit it, the majority of you in this thread only want to know about Catalan independence because you want to know whether Barcelona will still play in La Liga or they`ll be on a separate Catalan championship.
And the answer is yes, they`ll still be on La Liga; both federations will share the same league, kinda like MLS.
>>55311680
They're richer than the rest of Spain because of their location and history. They got brutally killed in 2 or so wars in the past by the rest of Spain.
People only has to know that Barcelona has been more bombarded by Spain than by other countries. And I don't even want to leave Spain.
>>55311569
>Sovereignty is understood in jurisprudence as the full right and power of a governing body to govern itself without any interference from outside sources or bodies.
Spain exercised it's sovereignty by signing the UN Charter. So you are either retarded or uneducated.
>>55311738
This was the first thing to cross my mind before posting thread luls.
>>55311640
No.
Catalonia has two layers of corruption on top of it.
Central government and Generalitat.
Independence means getting rid of one layer of corruption.
It's always for the best.
If independence was bad for Catalonia, we would already have it.
>Catalonia leaves Spain
>The Basque leave soon after
Heh..
>>55311680
same reason the northern half of italy wants to split from the southern and venice wants to split from them both. southern europeans are lazy pieces of shit and in both italy and spain their northern regions are paying for the bums in the south. they're tired of it.
>>55310520
they don't have the majority.
>>55310246
Catalonian independence is just another head of the hydra that is international leftism to be quite honest family. Anyone who supports it is either too young or too stupid to understand its ramifications, just like the Scottish yes voters or those IRA fucks. Poor Franco is turning in his grave. This is what happen when you turn into a democracy, lads.
>>55311357
In the worst of the cases the central government will suspend autonomy and take over the local police force.
Even that is a remote possibility, but if it happens, it doesn't even imply a military intervention, because there is no armed opposition.
It would be just a couple of police officers arresting some political leaders. There would be huge protests of course, but with the autonomy suspended they would not even last too much.
In reality, they have nothing to do. Only a lot of noise. They are deluded, and they know it. They just like to play a fantasy game.
OBEY THE LAW
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>>55312120
But, if the majority want Independence and fight for it and win it, what is the problem?
>>55310246
Good goyim, good!
>Spain, country of the reconquista
>Support Catalunya independence against Spain
>Starting the process of breaking nation states: Serbia 2.0
>Divide and conquer
>EU has now learnt to be multicultural
I respect catalans who wants to form an independent nation as Madrid is a pain in the ass (muh monies, muh pure spanish language, etc.), but I would prefer to see a real federal (still strong) Spain over a weak Spain and a not-so-strong Catalunya.
4FS Spain, why u no put catalan as official language?
>>55311835
Not really. Its pretty obvious what would happen if Catalonia was totally in the hands of those mentally ill leftists.
If you want another form of independence maybe you should search for an alternative. What you have today is just madness.
>>55311261
I'll vote to give GE to France without hesitation.
>>55312120
Catalonian independence could be a good thing, if they do it right. They're Spaniards, though. Chances are good they'll find a way to fuck it up.
How many thousands of refugees will Catalonia take?
>>55311399
> actually believing they own someone else's factory
Indoctrinated neets, everyone.
>>55310746
No can do, Catalonia is the richest part of Spain, they have a strong economy a large Mediterranean coast, plus terrestrial border with France which connect it to the rest of the continent So they can't be cut of. If they split with sPain, spics are fucked.
>>55312393
This.
Catalonia amounts to 25% of the richness of Spain. By some sectors even 40-50%. If Spain loses Catalonia... Spain gets demoted below Poland-tier and Catalonia gets Austria-tier.
>>55312393
>15% population
>20% gdp
> thinking they will retain that difference after independence
My sides
And It's Barcelona who is rich lol, not the other irrelevant provinces but nice try.
I want muh refugee status!!!!!!
Are Catalonians the ones obsessed with shit?
>>55312463
Not really after Catalan sales to Spain plummet down.
Other communities will gladly take Catalonia's role as connector and producer. Honestly it surprises me that some Catalans believe they will maintain the perks of the union after independence.
>>55312610
Yes!
>>55312619
I am not surprised it would take Catalunya independence to make other regions to start doing some work.
Vagos!
>>55312796
> they managed to make the neets feel productive
So is there any Spaniard that doesn't agree that they are...
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>>55310246
>The lawmakers in Barcelona voted today to start the process of leaving Spain ! Spanish civil war 2.0 incoming!
ETA has consistently been the biggest terrorist source for more than a decade.
Let these people fend for themselves. We're entering into a glorious new era of small regional states as the big Euro countries keep fucking over themselves.
Micronations and citystates after that.
>>55310246
seig
>>55311768
> civil war
> revisionist claim a Spain vs Cataluña war
This is low as fuck.
>>55313062
You left out the Balear lander
>those /pol/friends who want European countries who are already low in population to split up and weaken over trivial differences
>all this while we could be furthering separatist movements in rising eastern powers like China and India, who both have populations of over a billion and several different language/ethnic groups wanting to be free
>not trying to help the Boers secede in South Africa with a Volkstaat
Focus on breaking your enemies down and freeing your white cousins, not on breaking your allies! Catalan and Scottish Nationalists are traitors who would make some of the most influential white countries weaker!
>>55312203
Wouldn't protecting ethnic states be easier than protecting a multi-language/multi-cultural state like current Spain with their 5 or 6 distinct regions?
>>55313200
Spain influential?
kek
>>55313245
> Said an American
No it doesn't look like it. How will the Catalan police be more effective than the national police against terrorism, for example?
And political, social and economic instability isn't going to help.
>>55313062
>CH included
Get lost Laslo!
>>55312393
true
>>55311316
You will give things away if they are not worth the effort to keep. Overextending to keep resentful states and provinces in the union will build resentment at home too. Everyone wants business as usual, not wars of conquest.
>mfw soon ill have catalonian flag in my collection
>>55313245
Nope
Look at Switzerland, Canada and... well Belgium
Not difficult, all it takes is respect and responsability.
>>55310246
mfw I realize I'll get to fight in Spain, just like my two favorite writers
>>55313401
Maybe some cuk nations, but just giving away land and resources is not something a mighty Empire does. Land and resources are valuable.
I just wish we would stop hiding our intentions and finally just go conquer the Middle East, occupy it as a territory for a few decades while we pump out all the oil, then glass it once we have what we want and some sandnigger tries rising up. None of this proxy war shit.
>>55310863
ugh, fuck off mate, Canada is doing better then 'murca
>>55313550
All the best writers have fought in at least one war. It's a proven scientific fact.
>>55313614
kek at what? being massive faggots?
>>55313302
Well, they WERE one of the biggest 10 economies until the 2009 crisis. It's possible they make a small comeback, if they manage to sort out the fact that over 20% of the population is unemployed and unproductive. Out of all European countries, they probably have the most influence in South America too.
>>55313614
If that were true, they would be running spain, not leaving it.
>>55313614
51st STATE
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>>55313550
who is the second one
>>55311704
> I would gladly give up spanish nationality if that means I lose the right to be robbed by corrupt politicians.
You have been brainwashed by Pujol
>>55311734
The republicans got aid from Soviet Union
>>55312372
They want them
>>55313302
Yes, it is, Jordi
>>55313739
what, I didn't say anything about anyone running spain
>>55313798
at least we didnt let the ottomans fuck us over for centuries
>>55313645
yeah I have to agree with you on that
>>55313800
hemmingway and orwell
>>55313956
Yeah, its real shame, but now, we are the on who are raping around. Guess where people from here move if it isnt Sweden. Yep its 51st state
>>55310246
Nah m8, Catalans are keks.
>>55313912
>Yes, it is
top keks
>>55311704
Catalolnians unironically think their politicians don't rob them jesus fucking christ they have PUJOL.
They're beyond saving, as long as it's "their" people who steal them it's ok.
>implying pujols, mas or any other politician or businessman consider you anything
>>55314026
you'll never know that first world feel
>>55314163
I do know how it feels to penetrate first world pussy zho. Also Im comming there again, gotta make some money brah
>>55313127
Consider yourself lucky Spain-san; at least you don't have Plastic Catalans/Basques over in America trying to break up your country by constantly glorifying and making films about Catalan freedom, while portraying the Spanish as tyrants.
Spain has been an almost broken nation for centuries. No revolution, just oligarchs' shit. The problem is Catalonia wants its independence to be still the same shit.
AND THE EAGLE WILL RISE ONCE AGAIN
CATALONIA WILL BE ERASED FROM THE FACE OF EARTH
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SPAIN WAKES UP FROM SIESTA
WE WILL START THE BIGGEST KEBAB REMOVAL IN HISTORY
>Catalonia leaves Spain
>The Basque leaves Spain
>Scotland leaves the UK
>The UK leaves the EU
>France leaves the EU
>Greece leaves the EU
>Flanders leaves Belgium
>Veneto leaves Italy
>Yurope becomes a continent of secessionist microstates
>>55314615
stahp. your giving me a boner.
*rubs hands*
>>55314615
>states continue to leave states
>cities leave states
>houses leave cities
>eventually matter leaves matter
>Europe ends up becoming a matterless void
>the void leaves something
Independence with a radical socialist agenda.
Good luck to them.
>>55310246
>read about it in the German news
>Spanish politicians hyperventilating, saying that this is clearly illegal and they will not allow it
I don't really know what's going on in Spain, but I always found that shit hilarious
>majority wants something
>"No, you can't have it because our laws forbid it!"
Laws were made by men, they can just be as easily revoked or ignored by men.
>>55314757
*Thomas Jefferson tears*
>>55314855
> majority
Of seats.
It's illegal to break from the constitution and the legal system. But even in a real referendum they would still need a majority of votes.
Congratz
>>55315141
Yeah, I only saw that they apparently don't have a real majority when reading over the thread, the articles didn't mention that.
Still, politicians love to act as if laws are somehow irrevocable and can never be altered according to the wishes of the population. Our politicians do the same at the moment, telling us that we cannot stop the illegals because that would violate our laws (which it actually doesn't, letting them in violates our laws) so we have to watch out country die doing nothing - all while they hold 80% of the seats, easily enough to even change the fucking constitution whenever they want.
>>55314337
Everyone portrays Spain as tyrants and you invented it :/
>>55315331
I think something real bad is going to happen to Spain, senpai
>>55310246
>Kektalonia
>>55315307
But one thing is that laws are changed, and another thing is to reset them totally.This is just unfair and a coup d'état without cojones.
>>55314855
Why do people keep saying they have a majority? They don't even have a majority in Catalunia itself!
See: >>55311245
>>55311245
>>55311245
>>55311245
That was just today! That's the parliament of Catalunia. Does that look like a majority win right there? The people themselves are against secession, look up the latest poll from June 2015!
Stop claiming that bullshit. Only politicians and rich Barcelonans want secession.
>>55315458
Rich barcelonians and politicians (overlapping groups), but also a lot of the peripheral plebs, actual tax parasites of Barcelonian citizens.
>>55315363
No hay huevos, ya verás.
>>55310246
Tanks in 15 minutes? You spainards aren't going to let this happen right?
>>55315458
I already admitted that I was wrong on it, all the German articles completely omitted that fact. I didn't think they'd basically lie about it because the German media has no real interest in this topic.
Question though, why are the elite and politicians in favor of it? Do they just want to go from "irrelevant" to "big fish in a small pond" or what?
>>55315750
They weren't pro independence traditionally.
But a huge network of corruption is being discovered which threatens the whole burgher hierarchy and the most prominent family of Catalonia ( economically and politically).
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I'm confuse /pol/, how can you ask for independence and enforce it without the control of your treasury, police or anything that could harm the state and protect your countrymen? Is like if I suddenly claim for the independence of my home. The Generalitat is a puppet with no real power. At least basques have their own tax collection system.
>>55310946
Holy shit... This right here should raise all the flags for the separatists.
All manipulated into thinking that a separate country is what they "really" need... Faggots
>>55315915
Source?
>>55316163
IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>55311399
Bullshit. That might have been true years ago. Not anymore.
You probably did Erasmus there and they brainwashed you like they try to do with everyone they get in contact with
So ... civil war soon?
>>55316186
Dismissed.
>>55316246
That is what we are hoping for!
