>In July 1968 four pairs of mice were introduced into the Utopian universe. The universe was a 9-foot (2.7 m) square metal pen with 4.5-foot-high (1.4 m) sides. Each side had four groups of four vertical, wire mesh “tunnels.” The “tunnels” gave access to nesting boxes, food hoppers, and water dispensers. There was no shortage of food or water or nesting material. There were no predators. The only adversity was the limit on space
>Initially the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly. The last surviving birth was on day 600. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, increase in homosexual behavior,[2] inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against.
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>After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed “the beautiful ones.” Breeding never resumed and behavior patterns were permanently changed.
>The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population.
protip people aren't mice
>>55296907
ur mom lol
>>55296907
pro-er tip people are more like mice than you want to pretend
whats your source on this mr leaf flag
>>55296907
protip pakistani semen in british 11 yro wombs
>>55296907
Why do the scientists test everything on mice then?
>>55296974
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun
>>55296999
because they aren't allowed to do it to humans, also mice breed very rapidly which is useful for a number of reasons
>>55296795
They didn't even use all the space, either. Some mice could have gone off and started their own life in another pen, but they didn't. They stayed in the crowded area, the outskirts of mousetopia, and lost their minds with everyone else.
>>55296999
thanks mr leaf guy
depends on what youre testing, our brains have the same chemistry and thats why they test medicines and such on them but i dont know if social patterns are the same on mice and humans, pretty interesting study nonetheless
>>55296907
Pro-tip people are more dumb and lead by instincts than we like to admit
>>55297041
So they do to mice what aren't allowed to do to humans beeeeeeeecaaaaauuuuuuuuseeeee............
>>55296795
there are parallels, but that doesn't mean it will happen the same way
[spoiler]I think its going to end up exactly that way. I love being a cynic. If I'm right, I'm right. If I'm wrong, things turned out hunky dory
>>55297117
Because it's 2015, canakeks should already know this
>>55297108
people also have consciousness which changes everything
>>55297117
because mice breed rapidly and are quite intelligent
>>55296888
They spent over 2 years researching shit people could have already easily guessed?
>>55296865
>a sleek healthy coat and free of scars
>the beautiful ones
>the new york times modern male
>>55297041
You filthy Paki. They do it on mice (medical and social experiments) because, socially, mice are very like humans: they form complex societital structures and they can be warlike when needed. this is just a sped up version of how society will crumble. Bought on by what? Bought on by immigration and the need for more resources.
>>55297108
Protip: People still aren't mice.
>Canada
>Running out of space
pick one.
Unless you want to argue that our global connected world has given celebrities and a certain elite the dominant roles far beyond their real social circles by way of influence and they're crowding out others in many geographic regions. But that seems a bit too far.
>>55297203
mice have brains smaller than a £1 coin senpai
>>55297180
The point of research though is to prove these things though. We might be able to say something but without evidence it means nothing.
>>55297243
we're not in danger of running out of space or resources yet. hopefully the boomers die off soon. we are in danger of running out of meaningful tasks to keep the population occupied
>>55297220
That's the smartest thing I have ever read on /pol/.
>>55296907
people are closer to mice genetically than we are to niggers
>>55297261
I guess so.
>>55296955
underrated post. have a (You)
>>55297180
science needs empirical evidence for every single small concept. Hammer and feather on the moon, remember.
>>55297165
>people also have consciousness which changes everything
>implying animals don't
where is the evidence for this claim
>>55297286
the population could always work harder. It's something about our society that is desiring to work less and less, or not to work a lot of types of jobs anymore.
>>55297041
>>55297165
How do the Blue-pilled find /pol/?
Fucking retard.
>>55296907
Every mammal's primal instinct is the same.
If you think this experiment was worthless then you have no business discussing it.
The whole point of this study is not about running out of space or resources. It's about having so much of both that there's no struggle in life any more. Which means social structures collapse and fail.
>>55297386
I never said it was worthless
but simply by the fact that the experiment took place we can easily avoid the outcome
>>55297384
:^)
people aren't mice famalam
So did they go extinct at the end of the test or did they repopulate again?
>>55297365
so we just hire people to dig holes then fill them up again?
you can only have so much effective labor on a task. beyond that you got people standing around doing nothing. people like to see the fruit of their labor
>life gets to easy and comfortable so people become soft and degenerate
No shit, this isn't a new development. All empires eventually fall
>>55297180
Hurr durr how doez science work do they just do random stuff and then see results??????
What a hypothesis huh???
>>55296795
>MGTOW propaganda
Nothing to see here, move along folks
How can the homosexuality in the mice be explained? Boredom?
>>55297158
Fuck, Trudeau reall fuck our rep, didn't he?
>>55297452
They had their own version of mad max universe.
>>55296795
Wouldn't a "utopian universe" have unlimited space?
>>55297438
whoah fat betty
famalam
>>55297454
We have the oil sands to clean up and uranium to mine, that should provide lots of jobs.
Citation needed
>discussing the Studies from the NIMH utopian experiments
>on a website where sheltered withdrawn teens come to navel-gaze
dohohohoh well done sir
Interesting read: http://www.returnofkings.com/36915/what-humans-can-learn-from-the-mice-utopia-experiment
>>55297577
>Implying the Earth is infinite.
>Implying that we would be able to achieve planetary civilization within 5-10 years after reaching "Utopia".
>>55297660
>clean up the oil sands
Before the tar sands were developed, they were still TAR SANDS.
There's not a lot to clean up, it was mostly useless poisoned land anyways.
>>55297720
>returnofkings.com
>>55297743
Then it's not utopia.
>>55296795
>In November 2015 four pairs of African Americans were introduced into the Utopian universe. The universe was a 90-foot (27 m) square metal pen with 45-foot-high (14 m) sides. Each side had four groups of four vertical, wire mesh “tunnels.” The “tunnels” gave access to cheap mattresses, KFC dispensers, and watermelon flavored Kool-Aid. There was no shortage of food or drink or bedding material. There were no predators. The only adversity was the limit on space
What happens next /pol/ ?
>>55297610
>>55297438
Whoa, Black Betty (famalam)
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Black Betty had a child (famalam)
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She said "I'm worryin' outta mind" (famalam)
The damn thing gone blind (famalam)
I said Oh, Black Betty (famalam)
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And she's always ready (famalam)
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She's from Birmingham (famalam)
Way down in Alabam' (famalam)
Well, she's shakin' that thing (famalam)
Boy, she makes me sing (famalam)
Whoa, Black Betty (famalam)
Whoa, Black Betty
FAMALAM
>>55297074
Mexico. If I see that fucking cat one more time..
>>55297408
but they clearly did run out of space. males were unable to protect their territory or females.
>>55297243
Most of Canada is uninhabitable, look it up. We are running out of space, even David Suzuki, aka the Japanese Green has spoken about this.
Wake up.
Post YFW a concrete experiment showed the rise of betas and downfall of civilization in 1968
>>55297180
>hey guys if we keep this up we're gonna die
>sounds like bullshit m8. any proof?
and then science was born
>>55297855
The strongest pair kills the rest for their chicken and malt liquor, even though there's enough for everyone because it was unlimited.
Then they become obese and have fat children.
Thankfully though, War kind of fixes this. We will never reach Utopia unless every single human being on Earth was on an equal level at the highest possible standard that a human could be at, and even then, humans would fight.
Humans are destined to fight each other. No matter how well you treat everyone, one person is going to want more then what another person has.
Even if you did this, then OPs quoted situation will happen.
Face it, humanity will never reach a perfect Utopia.
This is why a World War is going to start very soon. Earth has gone too long without a major war. Humanity has rebuilt to much, and by the quote "The larger they are, the harder they fall." It happened with WW2. The end of WW1 was just the rock hitting the side of the mountain before it went into the freefall that was WW2. Now the rock has ended up on an even larger mountain and when it falls, it will fall harder then WW2.
![It+s+called+comfy+guy+if+it+s+this+you+re+talking+about+_b7401ef66143c9eddc5c852c89004270[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/M543owt.jpg "It+s+called+comfy+guy+if+it+s+this+you+re+talking+about+_b7401ef66143c9eddc5c852c89004270[1].jpg")
>>55297953
>>55297145
there are too many parallels here to say it won't be like that, to be frank
buckle in for the next 50 years, m8, we're going down
>>55296795
Video on the experiment for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM
Interesting experiment but has a few problems that lead me to be fairly skeptical of it's outcome. Last time I looked into was a few years ago so I can't actually recall the things that bothered me lol.
>>55296795
Get outa my nesting box normie SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
We have predators that are called niggers and jihadists.
>>55298009
Then the end of WW3, following this logic, is going to end with the Antimatter Bomb eliminating the Axis, with a massive tech surge between 2 ultrapowers ultimately culminating with space (even interplanetary) warfare. Glorious times we live in.
>>55296888
Very interesting.
Thank you.
>>55298354
Trips don't lie, man.
niggers baka desu senpai
>>55298293
And now you see (Or already have seen) why war is good. It kills many, but brings about a higher form of living afterwards. The idea is to have a downside, but keep progressing upwards, not to hit a limit with no downsides.
>>55298024
>>55297257
So do niggers.
>>55297257
>Whales have bigger brains than humans. Whales therefore are smarter.
They study mice because they form complex social structures similar to humans.
>>55296795
Damn it. I'll never be a beautiful one!
>>55296795
The Beautiful Ones = NEETS
>>55296795
I'd like to see what would happen if they took the surviving mice out of the 'utopia' near the end of the experiment and re-introduced them into a situation where they had to compete for resources etc., aka the conditions they'd normally find in the wild.
That would more closely replicate the breakdown of society, where public services break down and people turn on one another, and food is no longer plentiful.
If they resumed normal roles and started reproducing healthily again then there would be something to be optimistic about.
>>55298629
so, this means that our civilisation will be the last and most degenerate one, since we can't fight wars anymore unless we want to annihilate the whole planet.
>>55297327
Hi Lee!!!!!
>>55296907
>people aren't mice
>we're reacting the same way anyways
>>55302047
This. Or suddenly restrict access to food and water, creating a struggle for sustenance.
>>55297257
Intelligence is connected to how big the brain is in regards to it's body size so it's kinda useless to compare the human brain to a rats brain.
Also, synapses play a huge role.
