Alright, /pol/, it's time.
Are you a Trump supporter?
If not, let's discuss why. Do you have legitimate criticisms of him or his policies?
Let's hear it all.
I don't support based on his lack of substantive policy mostly. Although his tax plan is also ridiculous. His idea to hold Mexico hostage by ending free trade if they don't pay for a wall? Fucking genius. I hope Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio picks that shit up.
>>55294358
What's ridiculous about his tax plan?
If you look at what (insert the name of the group that asses tax plans, I can't recall atm) said about it seems as though we will increase the debt by 10 trillion dollars. That's a fuckload. We need to cut spending and increase taxes to get out of debt, it is just a fact of life.
>>55294536
I believe cutting frivolous spending will definitely happen, as Trump has a long history of achieving things way underbudget.
The current government is notoriously corrupt and incompetent when it comes to managing funds. As a businessman, Trump is the most likely candidate to tackle that issue.
>>55294672
And as a more recent example.
I mean this isn't a dictatorship, he influence over domestic policy is actually very little. That being said his ideas are fine but with no actual ability to be implemented. In addition to that he seemingly has very little knowledge on FP, not to mention he is very abrasive and probably wouldn't be good at being the "Chief Diplomat"
>>55294405
The person that you are responding to is fucking retarded. He has no understand of Trump's tax objectives and that retard probably doesn't even file his own taxes.
>>55294186
I'm not a Trump supporter but I admire him for his attempt to repatriate foreign cash holdings. I also admire some elements of Tax plan. Reducing the ability to exploit carried interest and any additional means to simplify the tax code, would only be beneficial to most Americans.
Nah I do file my own taxes, also what do you mean http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-tax-plan-analysis-deficit-214211
I could get a bunch of other articles for you about how his tax plan will decrease revenue if you really want me to
>>55294898
>In addition to that he seemingly has very little knowledge on FP
Not true.
Trump has dealt with such foreign leaders in the past. His policy of dealing from positions of strength works far better in his favor than being a diplomatic doormat.
Even if he's a little abrasive, people have historically come around to him. I can imagine certain EU countries wringing their hands over a mean word or two, but they aren't the kind of people we should be worried about.
>>55294186
I don't because he's a racist
>even though whenever someone says this they never have any proof to back it up and never reply when you ask them for said proof
>>55295157
The people that say that sort of thing only know Trump from out of context soundbites displayed on MSM news.
I even saw MSNBC do it last night. It's really underhanded and slimy.
>>55294988
I'm not familiar with the tax foundation and while they did a nice study. They even state at the bottom that:
>We did not account for profit shifting from abroad due to a lower U.S. corporate income tax rate.
It's hard to estimate the total amount of cash holdings being held overseas. I've read that it's roughly 2 trillion, but maybe it is less.
>It also does not account for the potential macroeconomic effects of any spending cuts that may be required to finance the plan.
Because he's not a feminist and he doesn't steal your money
>>55295201
Genau.
>>55294891
To think, Hllary's number doesn't even include all the bribes.
Get him to tweet the Oprah video.
>>55295542
What Oprah video?
>>55295497
Trump's Numbers are also logged through September while the other listed candidates are listed through June; check the asterisk. Holy shit they really tried.
>>55295568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
>>55294186
He is racist/hates women/mean/a TV show celebrity/got his money from his daddy/has a whore for a wife/is a privileged white male/went bankrupt multiple times/is a republican/is really stupid/speaks like a 5th grader/etc
>implying I have evidence to back any of this up
>>55294186
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>>55296016
Rubio recently regurgitated the bankruptcy meme when confronted about his credit card spending.
Really pathetic.
>>55294186
>policies
what policies? the guy is full of shit. he's a corrupt hypocrite. he has his clothing made in China and Mexico. He went bankrupt 4 times. He gave money to bad politicians for his own self-interest. we don't want somebody like this running the country
Ben Carson is a good man. Vote for Ben
>>55297066
Are you memeing or what?
>>55297066
Yes. Vote for the psycho so disengaged from reality.
>>55297237
do you have a substantive counter-response or no?
>>55297263
[citation needed]
all you trump fags have is bluster; 0 substance. makes sense; that's Trump
>>55297066
He hasn't gone bankrupt once. He restructured 4 companies through Chapter 11. 4 out of hundreds he has owned. A remarkable success rate.
And every high level businessman has donated to politicians. That's part of doing business in America. At least Trump acknowledges that it's wrong and should be changed. Meanwhile Ben is taking donations from businessmen and letting Super PACs, paid for by businessmen, run his campaign.
>>55294186
If we are to denounce corrupt politicians we must also denounce the corruptors.
Trump seems like a decent guy, but I still can't get past the whole "Trump University" thing. He's basically selling the same kinds of empty ideas people want to believe in, but instead of paying tons of money for his snake oil; we have to elect him as President.
Also, for running as a Republican, he (and most of the other candidates) sure enjoy talking about exercising a ridiculous amount of executive power. So much for a small government.
>tfw you'll never see the Imperium of Man
>>55297453
Alright, I'll take you on.
>he has his clothing made in China and Mexico.
Do you know why that is? Because current government has ruined all incentives for American manufacturing and businesses. They go to other countries for maximize profit, as is their goal.
America should be the country where business come to, not flee from.
>He went bankrupt 4 times.
Chapter 11 bankruptcy, not chapter 7. Chapter 11 is a restructuring tool used to liquidize assets. It is not "I am out of money" like you imply it is.
And even if it was such a terrible thing, that's 4 out of how many companies? Hundreds. Literally.
>He gave money to bad politicians for his own self-interest.
I'd like you to cite some.
>>55297453
Trump believes in facts, power of positive thinking, he's sanely religious.
Carson believes in pseudoscience, is eternally high and overly religous. But at-least he has steady hands and long concentration abilities.
>>55297566
how many companies did Carson bankrupt?
>At least Trump acknowledges that it's wrong and should be changed.
If it's wrong he wouldn't have done it if he were a good man. He's not. He will say and do whatever it takes to get what he wants.
Ben is taking money but that doesn't mean they are running his campaign.
No. Just a Leftist opposer.
So long as the Kike or the Dyke don't win, I'm good.
>>55297654
>how many companies did Carson bankrupt?
As many as he has created: Zero.
>If it's wrong he wouldn't have done it if he were a good man. He's not. He will say and do whatever it takes to get what he wants.
If you do business at a high level in America and you don't buy politicians, your competition will, and soon enough you won't be in business any longer.
>Ben is taking money but that doesn't mean they are running his campaign.
Of course they're running his campaign. Do you think businessmen give away money for free? Is that how they got rich?
>>55297453
>i use semicolons so i am very smart
>>55297810
System.out.println("Guess I'm a genius then ");
>>55297635
>Because current government has ruined all incentives for American manufacturing and businesses.
Shitty excuse. He does it because he's a greedy fuck. I operate a business in America. I've also hired people and paid them well for the work. If you can't afford to stay in business without paying people 50 cents an hour then you have no business being in business.
>bankruptcy
bankruptcy is bankruptcy. he took advantage of the system to enrich himself. he privatised the profits and let somebody else eat his losses. it shows he can't run his businesses and it shows he's corrupt.
>I'd like you to cite some.
he gave money to the Clintons, to Pelosi, to Reid, to Schumer, Charlie Rangel, Ted Kennedy, Anthony Weiner, Rahm Emmanuel, etc.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/03/donald-trump-donated-heavily-to-democrats-especially-during-election-which-put-reid-and-pelosi-in-power/
He gave money to the same people persecuting conservatives; he gave money to people who support feminism and abortion and all this other shit that is bad for the country. What kind of person supports bad people for his own benefit? Trump is a bad person.
>>55297643
Trump is a crook; Carson is not. Carson is also sincere.
>>55297926
>bankruptcy is bankruptcy
No. Not it isn't. You just discredited yourself with this post.
>Wants to make America great again
>Actively participated in making America not so great
>>55297762
>If you do business at a high level in America and you don't buy politicians, your competition will, and soon enough you won't be in business any longer.
I reject this type of cynicism. There are plenty of wealthy companies and wealthy people who became successful without buying off politicians. At the very least, there are rich adn successful who don't give money to people on the other side. I would never, no matter how much money I made, donate to politicians who have an ideology I consider to be corrupt, wrong, harmful, etc.
>Of course they're running his campaign. Do you think businessmen give away money for free? Is that how they got rich?
Maybe they believe in him. I'm a businessman and I donated money to Carson's campaign because I think he's a good man.
He's also promoted issues that would harm corporations and the super rich - issues like tax reform. simplifying the tax code would even the playing field. These days GE gets billion dollar refunds because they have the best tax law department in the world. He favors a balanced budget, something that would cut a ton of pork and money out of corporate contractor coffers, etc.
https://www.bencarson.com/issues
>>55297810
I am smart, fuck you. If you're so smart you'd be able to form a coherent, substantive counter-argument
>muh semicolons
kek
>>55297926
>bankruptcy is bankruptcy. he took advantage of the system to enrich himself. he privatised the profits and let somebody else eat his losses. it shows he can't run his businesses and it shows he's corrupt.
>claims to run a business.
FOH you lying shithead.
>>55297996
it's called bankruptcy, correct?
the thing speaks for itself
>>55297926
>If you can't afford to stay in business without paying people 50 cents an hour then you have no business being in business.
Did you not read my post? Corporations will always seek to maximize profit. No amount of shaming or rhetoric from you is going to ever change that fact.
America will continue to bleed businesses and be forced to rely on imports. That is not the way.
>bankruptcy is bankruptcy.
>it shows he can't run his businesses and it shows he's corrupt.
Do you write your replies without reading the entire post or what? I'm starting to think you're a complete moron. Reread what I told you.
>he gave money to the Clintons, to Pelosi, to Reid, to Schumer, Charlie Rangel, Ted Kennedy, Anthony Weiner, Rahm Emmanuel, etc.
For a "business owner" you sure don't know how the system works at the highest levels. You need to deal with politicians, especially as a real estate mogul.
So far your posts have been nothing but ignorant and hysterical nonsense. Either educate yourself on the matter or don't vote at all.
>>55297566
Do you know what Chapter 11 is? That's right; bankruptcy.
>>55298101
>claims to run a business
Yes, because we are humans first. We have an obligation to one another. We are citizens of a country. If we fuck the nation and the people to enrich ourselves and the country goes bankrupt, then suddenly who protects us? American business rests on the foundation of a system of laws and protections, and mutuality.
If you rob your customers, and send the money for work to mexico or china instead of paying Americans, then who's going to stay in your hotels and buy your products?
you have no idea how the system actually works
>>55298124
The guy you're arguing with is most definitely some teenage idiot troll claiming to "run a business" when he doesn't know the first thing about how it actually works in the real world.
DUDE WALL lmao
>>55294186
There's a Trump quote for both sides of every issue. The guy's opinions are based entirely on how he's feeling at the moment and what memes he can recall from his past. His foreign policy oscillates from isolationism to imperialism. His economic policy is some bizarre mixture of protectionist socialism and slapped on conservative sound bites. There's just no substance to the man. He's just some meme character in a reality show who wins popularity by shouting random catch phrases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IQJjm-YrRM
>>55298250
>If you rob your customers
Customers are not being robbed, what the fuck are you on about?
It's about high taxes on corporations. Why do you think corporate inversions are a thing?
No. I love everything he stands for. Both spectrums of the media hate him. If you can't see this as being a good sign you shouldn't vote.
>>55298116
It doesn't speak for itself. You just do not know what you're talking about. You're using the term "bankruptcy" in the most colloquial sense, not a legal sense. In the legal sense, bankruptcy is distinguished by its many different processes, and one of those processes in particular, Chapter 11 restructuring, does not share the same connotations of "failure" as the low brow colloquial use of the term suggests.
>>55298085
>I reject this type of cynicism.
Nobody cares. Least of all people that are at that level of business.
>There are plenty of wealthy companies and wealthy people who became successful without buying off politicians.
Name one.
>At the very least, there are rich adn successful who don't give money to people on the other side.
Trump used to be a Democrat. He wasn't on the other side then.
>I would never, no matter how much money I made, donate to politicians who have an ideology I consider to be corrupt, wrong, harmful, etc.
And you also could never be a successful high level businessman in America, either.
>Maybe they believe in him. I'm a businessman and I donated money to Carson's campaign because I think he's a good man.
Maybe they do, maybe they don't. That's beside the point though. They expect a return on investment. It's a purchase, plain and simple.
>He's also promoted issues that would harm corporations and the super rich - issues like tax reform. simplifying the tax code would even the playing field.
A policy he shares with Trump.
>He favors a balanced budget
A policy he shares with Trump.
>>55298124
some corporations seek to maximize profits. some people do the right thing regardless. It's not all on Trump. Yes, the government has to do its job too and regulate. It needs to crack down on outsourcing and tax fraud (even tho at this point it's too late for any of that).
I could have hired Mexicans and paid them $5/hr. I'm not a greedy fuck with no conscience. Money is just a means to an end. You can't take it with you. I chose to hire Americans.
>You need to deal with politicians
No you don't. If you can't run a business without being corrupt then you shouldn't be in business. Plenty of rich people have made a ton of money without compromising themselves. Trump just isn't one of them.
>I'm so great, I'm so great
The lady protests too much
>>55298421
Your saccharine "do the right thing" nonsense does not work in the real world.
Do you understand why America was built on checks and balances?
It's because humans are inherently flawed. A system that expects the "best behavior" out of its citizens at all times is a failed system. Corporations need incentives to come to America. Otherwise, America loses. That is the bottom fucking line.
Plus, the fact you're arguing for YOUR business to be taken advantage of by the government is fucking baffling to me.
>>55297926
What is bad about abortion for a country?
IMO it would cut down on half breeds from nigger rapes.
>>55294536
The thing is if you don't make it appealing cost wise to set up business in America then more businesses will leave. You spend money to make money, but money spent on taxes is totally unproductive towards an income, therefore less taxes will be appealing. Say we tax a 1 million dollar company st 35%, that's good for us right? Well next year we might not have that company in our country anymore. Now on the other hand, we tax the same company at say 12%. Even if that 23% of income they saved from taxes isn't invested back into the economy (which is unlikely, again you spend money to make money) you're still attractive to the business. Next year we might have 2 more businesses in America that we can tax at an attractive and healthy 12%, as oposed to the zero companies at 35%. It just makes more sense that way, companies aren't static outlets for money. They're ran by smart, business savvy people that change with their economic environment.
I agree on decreasing spending, as related to the previous point however, attraction of more business also means more jobs and more jobs means more workers which should mean less welfare which is less spending.
>>55298328
>In 2009, Trump was sued by investors who had put down deposits, typically $200,000–$300,000 per person, for condos in the failed Trump Ocean Resort Baja Mexico.[227] The investors alleged that Trump (whose videos promoting the development had been shown to potential investors) misrepresented his role in the project, claiming after its failure that he had been little more than a spokesperson for the entire venture, disavowing any financial responsibility for the debacle.[228] Investors were abruptly informed that they would be getting nothing back: "All that remains of Trump Baja is a highway billboard with a large photo of Donald Trump that advertises condos for sale.
>On August 24, 2013, a lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman accused Trump of defrauding more than 5,000 people of $40 million for the opportunity to learn Trump's real estate investment techniques in a for-profit training program, Trump University, which operated from 2005 to 2011.[239][240][241] Schneiderman contended that Trump's seminars constituted an "unlicensed, illegal educational institution" which utilized false advertising, bait-and-switch tactics, intentional misrepresentation and other fraudulent practices.[213]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Legal_affairs
etc.
I will only vote for Trump in 2016
I've watched over 50 hours of trump speeches and interviews over the past month. Currently I'm reading The Art of the Deal.
I've become a better person because of it.
>>55294358
what more do you want?
he's announced is tax plan
he's announced his immigration policies(signature legislation)
he's announced cabinet members
he's announced the gist of his military policies
he's announced his foreign policies and his desires to put protectionist tariffs on things, something that would really help the working class by making the labor market more competitive, same with moving millions of tax evading leeches
no other candidate has come even close, bernie sanders announces shit that would never ever pass, rand paul has the same problem.
hillary has voiced support for a federally provided college education, but nothing in how it's going to prevent it from getting raped by "private colleges"
>>55298911
>I've become a better person
>Still posts on /pol/
I beg to differ
>>55298416
the legal term is also bankruptcy, idiot
http://www.uscourts.gov/services-forms/bankruptcy/bankruptcy-basics/chapter-11-bankruptcy-basics
>Nobody cares. Least of all people that are at that level of business.
that level is a low level. corruption is low
>Trump used to be a Democrat. He wasn't on the other side then.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/03/donald-trump-donated-heavily-to-democrats-especially-during-election-which-put-reid-and-pelosi-in-power/
He gave money to Republicans then too, kek
>And you also could never be a successful high level businessman in America, either.
What do you know about it?
>They expect a return on investment.
Expectations are not always met.
>A policy he shares with Trump.
Trump's actions speak for themselves. talk is cheap, and so is he
>>55299079
just to add on, all the other candidates are preaching things that would take acts of congress, trump's entire platform are things that can be done on the executive level except for his corporate tax plan which EVERYONE AGREES ON INCLUDING DEMOCRATS(some taxes are better than none and europe is charging less than us) to which he makes the point that a powerful negotiator can finally get done what everyone has thought we should do since ireland went ape shit and slashed its taxes... he's the only one that wants to be president because of things presidents do, everyone else is just vying for a megaphone to scream at congress with.
>>55299079
He should be bringing out his spending cuts plan soon, and that should be very interesting.
>>55294186
He's great but he's a climate change denier.
>>55299239
sure climate change is happening, but its not caused by humans
>>55298617
doing the right thing is the only thing that works
hell is a guilty conscience
Trump is a fraud and a failure. it's why he protests too much "I'm so smart, I'm so great". truly successful people don't have to do all that barking
>A system that expects the "best behavior" out of its citizens at all times is a failed system
No, that's why societies have laws. we don't just expect good behavior; we demand it. that's also why society has morals. unfortunately degeneracy has gone too far, and people like Trump are the result. article related;
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html
>Corporations need incentives to come to America. Otherwise, America loses.
Look around. Since corporations have been outsourcing and robbing the nation through the IRS, etc., the country has gotten worse and worse. more debt, less jobs, etc. it's a recipe for disaster. the bottom fucking line is the nation is going bankrupt. turns out every man for himself doesn't work that well
>Plus, the fact you're arguing for YOUR business to be taken advantage of by the government is fucking baffling to me.
paying one's fair share (paying taxes, paying a fair wage, etc.) is not being taken advantage of. there's a fine line. for you it's either/or. mind the 3 bears.
>>55298720
undermines the value of innocent human life, the basis for social morality. fwiw, I support the right to abortion in the case of rape
>>55294186
He likes ruskie scum. Other that - nothing. He seems a decent guy since his not a current-year-liberal-kek.
>>55298821
Maybe you should actually read into what you post.
But let's expand on that second case.
>Schneiderman didn’t file his case until August 2013, over two years after he began a heavily leaked investigation and three years after the initial civil class action was filed in San Diego, the allegations of which Schneiderman largely piggybacked on. A trial-court judge has now ruled that as a result, most of the alleged victims whom Schneiderman claims to represent are barred from asserting claims because the statute of limitations has expired. The attorney general has appealed the decision.
>Worse, Trump was able to fire back with a persuasive ethics complaint against Schneiderman.
>The strongest claim in the complaint involves a provision in the state Public Officers Law that prohibits state officials from soliciting contributions from those with interests before their agencies. Trump’s complaint alleges four instances in which Trump Organization lawyer Michael Cohen and Trump’s daughter Ivanka (an executive vice president of Trump’s company) were solicited by Schneiderman or people working for him for campaign donations or help in raising donations while Schneiderman’s investigation was ongoing. Affidavits submitted as exhibits to the complaint also charge that Schneiderman mentioned the case to Cohen and Ivanka in private discussions but assured them that, according to Ivanka’s affidavit, it was “going nowhere”—that his office merely needed to “go through the motions.”
>Schneiderman told me that he never solicited money from anyone involved in the Trump organization or discussed the case with them and that any affidavits to the contrary, including Ivanka’s, “are perjurious.”
This is your "gotcha" case? A total joke.
>>55299211
i hope he starts small, carson proved that none of the other candidates can withstand the scrutiny trump had in the number 1 spot.
he cant get in the standard conservative dick measuring contest, he should start working towards the general now i think.
>>55299329
>statute of limitations
so a technicality is your defense? typical
>my daughter said something
technicality and hearsay. kek
>>55299310
>Trump is a fraud and a failure.
Uh huh. And who are you?
>truly successful people don't have to do all that barking
You're starting to sound envious.
>Look around. Since corporations have been outsourcing and robbing the nation through the IRS
Yes, comrade, corporations are the devil. Only government can us from the evils of capitalism.
>the bottom fucking line is the nation is going bankrupt. turns out every man for himself doesn't work that well
Good glad, you agree. Now it's time to fix that.
>>55299310
>the nation is going bankrupt
who do you think will stop this from happening? the fairy fucking godmother?
>>55299417
A truly damning case, so damning that it took nearly a decade to get its shit together only to faceplant.
It's a moneygrab. You should be aware of this sort of thing, big business guy.
>>55299310
>failure
Cmon mate there's plenty of names you can call him but that one is a complete lie.
>>55299426
>And who are you?
I make money and treat people well. More than Trump can say. I've also never gone bankrupt; neither have any of my companies.
>You're starting to sound envious.
you're projecting
>Yes, comrade, corporations are the devil. Only government can us from the evils of capitalism.
nope, but mind the fine line. again, it's not either/or. robbery is wrong and illegal and it's the government's job to prevent/stop it. the government is not doing its job. if somebody stole your car you wouldn't just say, "yah, that's the free market for you". nah, you would call the police (the government).
>Now it's time to fix that.
Trump isn't going to fix shit. for one thing, he's not going to be elected, thank God.
Now I have to go do some work. I have a business to run. it's been fun
Carson ftw
>Hey investors, sorry but we're filing for bankruptcy
Oh no!
>Don't worry, it's just a chapter 11 bankruptcy!
So our investments didn't just vanish?
>Oh... no ye you still lose all your money.
James Woods 2016.
>>55299450
ww3 incoming. we go full circle
>>55299516
Trump sold 5000 people snake oil bullshit. I also notice you said nothing about the other case, where he ripped off his investors. he did that multiple times. you can check out the lengthy article for yourself. I have work to do.
>>55299522
bankruptcy = failure. he failed, over and over and over. he's also a moral failure
goodnight
>>55294186
No, because I'm Mexican. See, watch... My family's been here since they 1800s but you're still going to tell me to build wall. It's because he's promoting that mentality that I'm not really a fan.
>>55299602
you have no idea what chapter 11 is.
chapter 11 is when everyone agrees that we would all be much better off if the company was allowed to continue, it means it's a successful company that's merely a little over leveraged.
in order to get a chapter 11, you need to show the assets and the concept, in trumps case the infrastructure and employees, you need to convince the government that they will be better off if they bite the bullet.
chapter 7 is a failure, chapter 11 generally signals a degree of success.
>>55299544
>I've also never gone bankrupt; neither have any of my companies.
All one of them.
>you're projecting
Not really. You've got a major stick up your ass about Trump and you called him all sorts of names.
Hell, the first thing you did in this thread was immediately spew insults.
>nah, you would call the police (the government).
So your answer is MORE government intervention to go after corporations? Great, now even more are fleeing America and everyone's even poorer. Good work comrade. Your vision will turn the US into a shithole in no time.
>>55299602
The first case wasn't worth mentioning because it was Irongate that used him as a spokesperson.
Also, I laugh at your WW3 comment.
You want WW3? Vote for Hillary and her precious no-fly zone.
>>55298313
>protectionist socialism
Fuck off, you retarded lolbertarian faggot
He's too good for us
>It's 2019 in a Trump presidency, and I'll be able to buy a 4K Zenith.
>>55294186
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/663422746454568960
Because Sanders speaks the truth of course
>>55300153
Sanders spends all his time attacking republicans. He should instead focus on his actual oppo-
Oh.
>>55299709
>bankruptcy = success
>Trump 2016
kek
>>55299715
Nope, I'm still in business and I didn't have to sell my soul, my employees, and my counter-parties to do so
>You've got a major stick up your ass about Trump and you called him all sorts of names.
I'm calling him names that are honest. He's running for president. Welcome to the American political process. He's a bad candidate.
>So your answer is MORE government intervention to go after corporations?
if somebody steals your car what are you going to do? read the NYT article. lrn2balance
>The first case wasn't worth mentioning because it was Irongate that used him as a spokesperson.
corruption.
>Also, I laugh at your WW3 comment.
that won't prevent it.
>>55300290
>Nope, I'm still in business and I didn't have to sell my soul, my employees, and my counter-parties to do so
You sure brag a lot about that, funny.
>He's a bad candidate.
Speaking of bad candidates...
You seem to value honesty, or so you claim.
Weird that you support Carson if that's the case. Wasn't he just caught lying about his background history?
>>55297623
>implying the executive becoming an emperorship at the expense of both houses isn't inevitable at this point
I stand with moral businessman.
>>55299686
>illegals ruining america
>"latino pride I wish America was exactly like the slums of Tijuana viva mexico"
And you wonder why people don't like you
>>55300577
You stand with a retarded kek
>>55300290
You think his underlings filing for bankruptcy makes him incompetent? Out of hundreds of businesses he's had what? Five bankruptcies? Maybe less.
>I'm still in business and I didn't have to sell my soul, my employees, and my counter-parties to do so
You seem to know something we don't, care to explain?
>>55300434
it's not bragging; it's a simple statement of fact responding to a false claim you made
>Weird that you support Carson if that's the case. Wasn't he just caught lying about his background history?
nope, the media tried to distort things. they failed. others in the press have already called them on it;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/11/06/why-wont-politico-slap-a-correction-on-its-carson-story/
>>55301074
his company went bankrupt. don't try to blame that on somebody else (underling)
>You seem to know something we don't, care to explain?
sure. work hard, work smart. good organisational is key. the internet also helps lower costs.
>>55301272
I advise you to look up chapter 11.
I'm surprised you even kept this conversation up for 3 hours.
>>55301272
>sure. work hard, work smart. good organisational is key. the internet also helps lower costs.
No I meant something about Trump's practises, you clearly implied that he's morally bankrupt.
>>55301359
>I advise you to look up chapter 11.
already did. see; >>55299147
>>55301480
we've already been over it itt
I'd specifically ask conservatives ITT - how do you justify Trump's promotion of degeneracy and degenerate candidates? If you say it's just business, then you're implying that money is more important than morality, and that is a morally bankrupt thing to think.
If you believe that modern liberalism is morally bankrupt, what kind of person supports that agenda? What kind of person supports and funds Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Weiner, the Clintons, etc.? Trump.
>>55301628
>muh degeneracy
>said the Carson shill
>>55301483
You clearly don't understand it, though.
For example, did you know that in the Trump bankruptcies, Trump wasn't even the largest debt holder in most of them? Did you know that in 2 of them he was a mere minority shareholder? Did you know that in his most recent one, his co-debtors are the ones that filed for relief? Did you know that most of their debt was bought out by Carl Icahn (that's how Trump and Carl know each other) who makes a practice of buying out debtors in Chapter 11 so he can restructure the debt profitably for his company? Do you know that there's little to nothing that Trump, as a minority shareholders in these companies, could do little to nothing to stop this from happening?
Let me ask you this, you bankruptcy legal whiz, why did creditors keep lending to the same Trump properties that were regularly over-leveraged? Who lends money to failures? And yet that's what kept happening. Including the bridge loans that were part of the restructurings, including the Icahn bridge loan of $45 million to the Trump properties debtors in the most recent restructuring.
Real business isn't like your shitty small business nobody cares about. Businesses like prominent hotel casinos don't have ma and pop investors, they have shark-like investment bank and hedgefund investors that know full well Chapter 11 is a possibility (especially when it happened several times before!) but understand that Chapter 11 restructurings can be very mutually profitable when designed properly, as Trump's AC restructurings were (which is why Icahn, no dummy, jumped into the last one).
>>55300144
>>It's 2019 in a Trump presidency, and I'll be able to buy a 4K Zenith
yes please... though in '19it had better be +8k
>>55301628
>What kind of person supports and funds Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Weiner, the Clintons, etc.?
An American businessman, they will fund and use anything to make money, it's the most American thing you can do.
He's the perfect 2016 republican. If you're a republican voter that has supported the party in the last 10 years, Trump is quite literally perfect for the role.
I'll vote libertarian because it's my ideology and fuck it why not, but Trump is everything republicans are looking for. I'm glad they found their golden calf.
>>55301722
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-08/ben-carson-wades-into-hostile-territory-at-al-sharpton-event
>>55301740
these weren't some businesses Trump was just invested in. these were HIS businesses.
>According to a 2011 report by Forbes, these were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City: Trump’s Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Bankruptcies
My small business has never borrowed more than it could pay back. It hasn't gone bankrupt. We also don't hire workers in China and Mexico.
There are also plenty of larger businesses and businessmen who haven't ever had to declare bankruptcy once, nevermind 4 times. Trump is a failure
>>55301879
nope, there are plenty of American businessmen (actually successful businessmen, not bankruptcy addicts) who don't give money to people they don't believe in
>>55300753
Maybe, except I'm not an illegal and I didn't say that.
We are rebuilding CHEENNNYA
>>55302537
Failure? Or wise money maker? I'd like to see you own multi million dollar properties, faggot
I support Trump just for the butthurt his election would cause. Also, I hate illegals.
>>55294186
of course i support Trump
I'm a patriotic american
Reading Art of the deal as well as Crippled america will give you more than enough ammo to combat shills online and irl
>>55302537
>There are also plenty of larger businesses and businessmen who haven't ever had to declare bankruptcy once, nevermind 4 times. Trump is a failure
>114 business
>4 went bankrupt, all in Atlantic city which is going belly up
>owns the best golf courses in the world
>owns the highest rated hotels in the world
>failure
Wow, carson fags are almost as retarded as carson himself.
Whats your favorite poverb?
>this is literally in carsons home next to a painting of him and black jesus
>>55294186
Not 'murican but I like to see Trump as a president. It would be interesting to see a complete sociopath who cares about nothing but himself ruling arguably the most powerful country.
Inb4, 'muh congress', Trump is very subtle about it. I think he can achieve a lot of his personal goals but the question remains whether his own goals allign with what is good for the USA. And imagine the lulz if a whole nation goes downwards because of their own vote.
>>55297566
>Implying running corporations is the same as running a country
KEK
>>55299239
he also believes that vaccines cause autism
>>55304438
doesn't matter, they arent mandated at the federal level unless a severe emergency anyway.
make it mandatory to use public services but that's about it.
so the president's opinion on the matter doesn't matter.
>>55299239
doesn't matter, the shit being done in the name of saving the environment is destroying it, the best way to solve it is for america to ignore it for now.
too many more regulations here will just send it to china where they'll use coal for all the energy and spew whatever they want in the air at the cost of the occasional bribe to the right official.
consider this, obama wants to seem strong on it, so he made a deal that china has to start cutting down in 2030, basically giving them a pass and the ability to say they're working hard on it, when they aren't at all.
the keystone XL pipeline was rejected because of the view that burning oil is bad, but that's not how oil trade works, pretty much what ends up happening is when we do import(i don't think we currently are) it means it has to come from saudi arabia.
the net result being instead of going down a pipeline it needs to be shipped on tankers over the fucking ocean, a comparatively small amount at a time.
thousands of ships loaded with oil many many many times a year to trek across the ocean is the net result of a president who was "deeply concerned" about the environment.
trump makes china either compete for manufacturing or just straight slows it down, making plants move from places with no environmental protections to places where there are SOME.
>>55304129
doesn't matter if it's self serving, he's looking to live his boyhood dream and build a legacy, he doesn't need to sell out for money, he doesn't need the publicity, he's losing money by not being directly involved in his business anymore.
it might be self serving, but it happens that he's serving himself by serving us.
he's certainly not doing it for the private jet, ability to travel and have people kiss his ass, or the helicopter, he already had those and he had the ability to sue people that talked about him preventing people from talking shit about him.
something you no doubt, can tell he doesn't have anymore as a result of him doing this.
He's the candidate this country deserves.
>>55294186
He doesnt have an policies. At least no coherent policies that would actually work.
>Trying to re-write the 14th Amendment to stop anchor babies
Will never happen
>Building a gigantic wall and making Mexico pay for it
Will never happen
>Flat tax rate where a secretary pays the same amount of tax as his boss
Wont work and wont happen
>Trying to out compete China
Impossible
None of his policies are even remotely workable, he doesnt seem to understand the constitution, and even he is not serious in these proposals. Everybody knows Trump is just doing this for PR, lets get real here. He has virtually no foreign policy stance, hes flip flopped countless times on healthcare, he used to be a Democrat
He is a meme candidate. He will never win the presidency. The GOP base may be retarded enough to nominate him, but you know as well as I do, he would get absolutely obliterated in the 2016 election.
I'll admit. I love seeing leftists getting BTFO so if Trump wins the salt will cause kidney failure to everyone.
>>55298239
Do you know the difference between declaring bankruptcy for a company and a citizen?
dumb fucking idiot
>>55303635
hahaha its edubbz the nigger faggot
Nice ones pewds
