What are the long-term effects of MGTOW/Herbivore Men on society?
Is there any way to get discouraged men to opt back in?
Lonely death.
That's it. Don't overcomplicate the issue.
>>55281139
This.
It's cat lady except male version and catless.
It's fucking retarded.
Just find a woman and take your time, if she gets impatient, don't give a shit.
>>55281139
Yeah, no. The more increasing numbers of men stop participating in society, the greater problems that society will have. This goes far beyond just a 'lonely death.'
>>55280947
only the end of civilization
>>55281139
This. As if 10/10s like the hunk in OPs pic need to "Go Their Own Way"...
I found that some of the MGTOW are secretly gay, which is sorta hot since a lot of them look like twinks that hate women and crave cock.
>>55280947
Chad fucks even more Stacies while you pretend you're cheating the system.
>>55281352
Call me maybe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
>>55280947
we should abort all nonwhite fetuses, tie the tubes of degenerates, and give welfare to nulliparous nigger sows only until they become pregnat. All women, any color, to loose the vote.
>>55280947
OP's pic turning down pussy.
He's not going his own way, he's playing for the other team.
Learn to identify the difference, it will save you from some embarrassment.
>>55281248
>Increasing number of autistic neckbeard faggots
FTFY
No, it's just a lonely death for undesirables who wouldn't reproduce anyway.
The problem will solve itself as soon as another major war occurs.
As society goes through a long period of peace an plenty as it is now, decadence is sure to arise. This can continue until a particular civilization breaks down, or there can be a major conflict before that point. Either way a war is inevitable.
At this point the men not participating in society in a useful way are the first to be sent into battle. With nothing to live for they are perfect for this role. Once there they either die or they harden the fuck up and actually become real men. War trims the excess fat from society, and by the time its over, the whole world is put in perspective for the survivors.
Happy to be alive and eager to make the most of it, they return to work, breed, and build society in their newly-improved image.
>>55281248
Alright fine, let society crumble.
The way it's set up now means that narrowly saving it from death by asserting yourself in society will mean that same society you despise will just repeat the mistake down the road, earlier rather than later.
Prepare, let it collapse, and help build up the ashes.
>>55281661
Make appropriation of nigger culture and nigger ways boy non-whites, such as emulating them, punishable by a high tax.
>>55280947
as if a man would waste time pointlessly grooming a lawn. that's female shit.
weightlifting, nice clothes, shaving. his life is devoted to early pleasures. he's a man with female values.
god damn, masculinity really is dead. been dead for thousands of years now.
pic related, real man. devotes himself to something greater.
>>55281248
as a whole maybe
but to you as an individual, it's lonely death that awaits.
make marriage laws more fair and equal
>>55281684
Good point. I bet most MGTOW are actually closet homosexuals--especially the decent looking ones.
>>55281696
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/07/japans-birth-rate-problem-is-way-worse-than-anyone-imagined/
http://www.ibtimes.com/japan-encourages-young-people-date-mate-reverse-birth-rate-plunge-it-may-be-too-late-1562867
Again, you're missing the big picture. Herbivore men and MGTOW are disastrous for a society. Sure a lot of them are neckbeards but many seemingly regular people are just saying 'fuck it' and opting out.
>>55280947
>>55281282
pfft, sperm is cheap.
one man can impregnate thousands of women. This will make no difference other than more fat bitch single mothers ruining their children. The children would be better off raising themselves or surrendering to a wold pack.
>>55281286
It's probably an ad for the mower.
>>55280947
MGTOWs wish that picture were the truth. They think every man who "goes their own way" deprives a respective woman of sex and companionship, which will subsequently cause those women to beg the men to "come back" and improve themselves and their behavior to accomplish this.
The reality is that those women won't even give a fuck in the first place, they'll be perfectly content falling into some Chad's rotation. This is the only endgame of MGTOW: women become more whorish, men die alone and childless.
>>55280947
womyn coming crawling back and become good housewives when they release they can't leach off men anymore. either that or the white race dies out
Do all of you guys have wives/gfs?
>>55281725
>implying NEETs are going to fight a war
>>55280947
Yeah I'm pretty sure /r9k/ types aren't being desperately propositioned by women who can afford vintage roadsters m8.
I did the MGTOW thing, still doing it. Fucking love living life to my own reservatioms, who wouldn't go their own way? Or does this reference something else? Because I fight forest fires and crab fish for a living and spend my off time shitposting on a zimbawean fur trading website
Thousands of cultures are gone.
Western society is next.
This is a fact.
There is nothing you can do to stop it.
>>55281912
/thread
MGTOWs are like a short ugly guy in front of a modelling agency screaming at the models he will never date them.
Also has anyone seen that sandman guy irl?
>>55281961
They'll be made to. Because they're NEETs and not needed for the continued fuction of the nation, they'll be the first into the draft.
>>55282156
Nope. They'll just fuck off to another country. Read a history book bro.
>>55282111
Is this not man going his own way? Are beta males trying to steal the term? Lol but betas are hardly even men the first letter in MGTOW should disqualify beta males
>>55282366
They would if they could speak any language other than english
>>55282366
>>55282438
also
>implying that also wouldn't fix the problem
>>55280947
>Is there any way to get discouraged men to opt back in?
Fix the social contract. Men got married before and were willing to provide for a woman because it essentially guaranteed them a faithful lover, a mother to raise his children, and someone to take care of the home. Now all of those have been taken away by women. She will divorce him and take everything, and he may have to pay child support for a child that isn't his.
Fix this and they'll come back.
>>55282486
But then all the married men go die instead. How is that a fix?
If the law's where better and the poison of feminism died mgtow probably would not exist or slowly fade away into the few playboy lifestyles.
>>55282566
It's been done before. In either scenario we either get rid of the NEETs because they run like cowards, or they go off to war and die.
In reality I think it'd be somewhere in between.
>>55282527
>took a year off to "travel"
>"free spirit" in college
>"learn[ed] a lot about myself"
>"I'm no longer the girl who did all those things, I've grown and matured"
You deserve to get fucked over if you're enough of a kuck to ignore these blatant warning signs.
>>55282787
Since she lied about her partners I think we can safely assume she didn't tell the truth about these things to him either.
>>55280947
you know you can go your own way and still have a gf and children and all right? In fact, women tend to respect men who respect themselves and you'll have a much better relationship when you wear the pants than your typical bluepilled moron getting milked out there.
>>55280947
Want to know why MGTOW will go nowhere?
Because people who don't believe in reproduction die out.
So what's an ugly beta to do?
Better alone than keked I say
>>55281214
>catless.
>implying
Already have 2 of them and started feeding a stray one that lives near my house.
Different symptoms same disease its cultural marxism/identity politics for men
Betas.
MGTOW is just a result of millenials doing what they do best. Using language to turn their failures into successes.
We raised them telling them that they didn't lose the race, they are winners for participating. They didn't fail school, school really failed them. Don't worry if you lose, some people are just born better than you at some things.
Now they've grown up with that thinking in mind.
I didn't fail to find a partner, I'm going my own way. I didn't fail to get a job, I'm just not a wageslave. I didn't let my lack of motivation ruin my life, some people are just born more privileged than me.
We've created a generation of nihilistic, non-competitive, slothful hermits and it's getting worse with the next generation. We need to start raising our kids right.
>>55281813
>Implying maintaining your property in degenerate
>>55283388
Spoken like a true feminist.
>>55283474
You're not "going your own way"
You're too much of a bitch for any woman to have interest in you, but... it's their fault! of course!
I think I'm about to join the MGTOW camp. Currently in the middle of breaking off a 9 year relationship (and engagement) because she has anger issues and goes fucking mental at the drop of a hat. But eeeeverything is my fault, apparently, even the stuff I have no control over.
And right now I seriously can't think of a single compelling reason to ever start dating again.
I'm in my 30s and have been single for the past few months and men like me are basically treated like lepers, like people wonder what is wrong with you. I don't even want to be in a relationship but have to be in one anyway, just so people won't assume that I'm a serial killer or something.
>>55280947
>Is there any way to get discouraged men to opt back in?
Yes.
>Remove no-fault divorce as an option during divorce.
>Remove alimony as an option during divorce.
>Limit child support to no more than 40% of after-tax income.
>Limit asset splitting to no more than 50%, although ideally split it based on how much each spouse contributed economically to the marriage, based on tax records.
Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
>>55280947
>this fag can't even mow his own lawn properly
Triggered.
>>55280947
low birthrates, your government selling you out for immigrants, destruction of your race
>be newly single
>dumped the last cunt because lazy and fat
>be dating
>every woman used to be a party slut
>every woman feels the bio clock ticking
>muh eggs are going dry I need a beta provider
>they're not even hiding it anymore
>most of them have shitty retail sales jobs
>dumb as a rock all of them
>bill is coming
>they look for their wallet for minutes until I pay
yeah I guess I'm going MGTOW too, fuck this gay shit
>>55283784
Say you're gay. Society has an easier time accepting gay men as single since they know they won't be reproducing anyway.
>>55283778
>because she has anger issues and goes fucking mental at the drop of a hat. But eeeeverything is my fault, apparently, even the stuff I have no control over.
Was she always like that?If not maybe she found someone else and is too afraid to come out and say it so she pushes you away until you end it.
If she was always like that you should've known what you were getting into (sorry if i'm sounding like an ass,not my intention).
>>55280947
>Is there any way to get discouraged men to opt back in?
1. Remove incentives for divorce-rape so that men can safely get married.
2. Discourage women from slutting around with Jamal which retards her pair-bonding mechanisms and is more likely to torpedo her marriage (even if no divorce-rape it's still a family destroyed).
That will help. It was never marriage that terrified me, it was the risk of divorce-rape.
>inb4 virgin neckbeard
Three relationships ended when they realized they were never getting a ring from me. Every one of them knew why and got assblasted over it.
>>55283133
work on yourself and make yourself attractive
three main components to work on
-physical traits (looking healthy and strong provides security)
-career and social circles (provides social status)
-overall wealth (provides long term security)
these are the main attraction traits a men possess (sense of humor helps but only because it shows you have some kind of wit which is necessary to gain social status and wealth, hence why it fades out if you can't provide that end game they are really looking for. )
the trick is to refine those traits and to make yourself attractive in order to switch from the creeper to the keeper.
Once you achieve that status (and don't say it's impossible faggot), you will have the bigger end of the stick in most situation which will make you the pants wearer.
after becoming the pants wearer, always remind your girl that there are other women out there, but do it subtly like as a joke in order to avoid an argument. And do it straight from the start so that she thinks that it's just part of your personality to joke about stuff like that. This will trigger a subconscious response in her brain telling her that you might be serious and that she should stay in check.
MGOTW =/= herbivore/neet
the former has a job, their own home and pays taxes
>>55284032
This. MGTOW is simply a man living his life, chasing his own dreams, and being as productive as necessary to do so. This usually entails a lot less expenses which means not having to work 80 hour weeks to keep princess happy.
>Chad fucks even more Stacies while you retend you're cheating the system.
THIS
What MGTOW really is, is rationalisation of unreasonable standards.
>condition yourself thorugh porn and media consumption to like only 10/10
>get upset that 10/10 guys have 10/10 women and more
>refuse to see things objectively
>try some autistic as fuck PUA/Game routine
>pretend to leaving the game voluntarily after ignoring the women of your strata, that would've gone out with you if you weren't such a fucking self-centered spazz.
Keep reaching for that rainbow, guys.
>>55283992
The other thing is that if you're a somewhat masculine gay man, women see you as dominant, but sensitive, and feel an urge to "deconvert" you.
>>55283999
Point 2 is the real problem.
If women are loyal to their partner, they will not attempt to divorce them either.
If they just fuck around, they will have no loyalty. they'll be cold, calculating psychopaths after your possessions first and you as a person last.
>>55281873
>are disastrous for a society
Nah. Japan's got a crazy population density. These articles talking about it being disastrous are just globalists trying to prep Japan for Third World immigration.
>>55280947
Feminization
>>55281725
>le Grand War meme
Neo-reactionaries, the gift that keeps on giving
>>55281957
I've got a live-in gf. She won't be my wife until I get a mortgage in my name 9and solely in my name).
>>55281139
Everyone either dies lonely, in full ecstacy Or totally unaware. Not something you really control. But we can choose to live like a little vegan bitch or as a MAN
>>55284202
Von Moltke the Elder was right all along
>>55281725
I like you, we think alike
Why more gay males is objectively a good thing?
>>55283993
>Was she always like that?If not maybe she found someone else and is too afraid to come out and say it so she pushes you away until you end it.
>
>If she was always like that you should've known what you were getting into (sorry if i'm sounding like an ass,not my intention).
No, she was kinda always like that but I had thought she changed. The first time it happened she just started throwing shit and smashing stuff. I called the cops on her and she instantly smartened up (actually started cleaning because she has this OCD about tidying the place for strangers). After we talked it out and she basically said "me and me ex used to fight like that all the time, I don't understand why the police were involved" and I basically said "well thats fucked up and normal couples should never fight like that, and it can't ever happen again ok?" - and to her credit, she seemed to change and held her promise for years and years. But then in the last year she's been under a lot of stress (deaths in the family, money, etc) and slowly the anger starts creeping back in to the point where she's throwing shit at me and physically/verbally assaulting me. We've separated for now with the hopes of patching things up eventually but I'm starting to doubt that I would even want her back, much less some other woman who's an unknown basket full of crazy (they all seem to be). Fuck.
>>55283067
>ignores persistence of faggotry throughout human and animal development
>>55282527
I wonder what her true count is? I reckon 50 or so.
>>55281961
Can't wait till all you NEETs die in war tbqh
>NEETs
>already in all govt databases since they are parasites - produce nothing and drain resoures
>govt knows where they live
>first to be shipped to war
>put in "punishment battalion"
>first wave of infantry
>average life-span in combat = 8 minutes
keksimus
MGTOW is an elaborate way to turn heterosexual men into faggots. First they teach them to withdraw from heterosexual relationships and when they are deprived of sex, they offer them a boipussy. It's a scam.
>>55281912
Nah, their endgame is stop giving a fuck.
So the original MGTOW guys are mostly gone from the MGTOW foras a long time ago. What you're seeing now is the edgy fedoralords taking over.
>>55283564
You act like getting a bitch to ride your dick is the end goal in life, you fucking jungle monkey.
I think the movement is a great idea, as long as you aren't a bitter virgin.
>>55284018
>Men, how to get a gf:
>change everything about yourself
>Women, how to get a bf:
>exist
>if h doesn't want your fat, promiscuous, broke ass, he is a misogynist pig
>>55284509
>College liberal
>"sexually free"
>year "traveling"
Easily over 100, even assuming only slutting it up on weekends that's potentially 52 men a year (one a week) for 4 years in college, plus the year "traveling" which just means "club crawling" so dozens if not hundreds of dickings there.
>Men withdraw from society/marriage
>Women go ballistic because there's no one to support their aging, flappy vaginas
>Start petitioning for bachelor tax
>Fatherless homes produce millions of criminals
>Men are comfy playing vidya
>Society collapses
Feels good man
>>55280947
Daily reminder that that -- the situation in the picture -- is completely different than the situation today. The past was a way better time for everyone: men and women both. Those women in the picture aren't feminists, they aren't after his money, they won't scream rape if he fucks them. The guy actually wants stability and doesn't just want to get laid. It was a different time and things were a lot better.
That said... Modern women suck. Modern men suck. Modern everything just seems to suck.
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>>55284130
Not one post talks about fucking 10/10s you dumb slavic mutt.
>>55283405
i didn't imply that at all you fucking dumbass bitch
i said it's feminine
god dammit WHY CAN'T ANYBODY READ?
>>55284258
Only correct answer
>>55284953
It's subconcious. Like the posters above me said, the OP pic is wish fulfillment.
MGTOW is Sour Grapes: The Movement
>>55282527
>her fiance doesn't like loose women
>she's had "a lot" more than 8 partners
Then again, just about everything on that subreddit is bullshit.
>>55284817
the beauty of becoming a keeper, is that you become the one who chooses who he wants to be with, so you can tell women in the "exist" category to fuck right off
>>55284291
>Actually investing time in researching obsolete 19th century politcal and social paradigms
I commend your diligence, but it's still escapism, you know that, right?
So many banshees screeching in this thread.
Get rekt cunts, I do what I wanna.
>>55285310
>the beauty of becoming a keeper
You mean becoming an overpayer? This is literally putting pussy on a pedestal and cowtowing to women, only in this case you're hoping for a prize of a higher caliber.
>>55280947
Most dont know what MGTOW represents. It isnt about being a forever alone virgin but a man that has sex without committment.
Im not MGTOW myself but at least fairly represent them
>>55285504
>This is literally putting pussy on a pedestal and cowtowing to women
it's the exact opposite, you focus on yourself and manipulate women using their innate desires
>>55285439
What the fuck is happening in that gif?
>>55285414
>>55285439
[fermenting of grapes intensifies]
It would be nice to just say that it's only a small number of undesirables that are opting out. But the number is increasing. Statistically they cannot all be outliers.
I won't try to convince you dumb fucks the root of the problem. I'm sure all you prime alphas shitposting on the most cringe worthy board of the most cringe worthy site on the internet will have the perfect relationships.
>>55284258
>veganism
>the most ethical diet
>somehow not manly
nice job adopting negative stereotypes as your definition of manliness. muscles, eating meat, is that really what it means to be a man?
to me it something much greater. seeking morality and god.
>>55285613
Epic dragon ball z battle
>>55285613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5xeNePF-cg
>>55285327
Your assertion that any philosophical paradigm can be obsolete is based on the flawed premise that civilization only advances in the right direction. No evidence has arisen in the last 150 years to refute many of the schools of thought which were dominant at the time.
>>55285439
lmao source on this, i forgot. he was trying to magically run through her body right?
>>55285667
i would rather seek meat. at least you can see it and interact with it on some level
>>55285591
>and manipulate women using their innate desires
This is what PUA fags really beleive. It's a fucking numbers game, always has been.
I can fucking tell you've never tried to manipulate ANYONE in your life, because you'd know how fucking hard it is to do it consciously and to keep track of your action to remain consistent.
>>55281842
This
It doesn't need it's own label. It's simply living the life of a bachelor and it's fucking sweet.
I have my own apartment, I have a relatively low paying but secure job. Every week I go out and buy my groceries, pay my bills at the end of the month, and the rest of that money is mine to spend as I please. There's always the free, reliable hand if I feel horny, or a few deluxe onaholes if I'm really into it. I have a chad friend who's hooked me up a few times but they always want to do expensive shit or get committed so I cut off contact with them after a few days. Not worth it. They all have sexual histories going back dozens of names and yet not one of them can deepthroat. My onahole can, and it doesn't ask me to buy it drinks beforehand
MGTOW is inherently a homosexual movement.
Prove me wrong.
>>55283067
And yet somehow MGTOWs were born. Guess it isn't a genetic trait.
mgtow is answer to feminism and srlsy whats the point in getting a woman and kids in the west?she will jsut drop you for a younger guy, take the kid and have you pay her for the rest of your life
>>55280947
>What are the long-term effects of MGTOW/Herbivore Men on society?
Men will have more money in their pockets and somewhere a woman will have less.
>>55285851
MGTOW is actually more a hermitism movement.
>>55285851
MGTOW =/= Celibacy
They still fuck women if the opportunity is there.
>>55284761
No, I'm not, you are the one getting into a movement that's based around being rejected by women.
>>55285817
>implying
keep whining faggot, I have the best relationship you could ever get, I wear the pants and she worships me.
I don't give a fuck about what you think
I went MGTOW before I ever knew what it meant.
I fucked a lot of women without ever settling down from my teens 'til I reached my early 20s.
Then found a decent woman that was far too decent for a guy like me. Virgin despite her beauty, smart, with noble pursuits through life. This wasn't gonna be a hit and quit kind of thing so it only made me want her more.
Anywho, we're still together today, moved from Scandinavia to tiny Portugal because it's quieter. I'll have kids with this woman, quite possibly. But I'll NEVER for anything in this world marry her. She could be my mother 2.0 and I still wouldn't trust her with marriage.
So do this, OP. Find a woman. A decent woman. Impregnate her. Don't convince yourself that your lack of game is a personal choice, work on yourself, become a decent man worthy of fatherhood and don't leave the true builders of the West without children in the future.
>>55280947
MGTOW is a kike invention designed to lower the white birth rate however possible by encouraging the white race to split along gender lines so it never realizes it can purge the jewry at a mere whim due to its sheer firepower.
I also believe this will happen:
A huge bunch of men around the ages of 25 will get 18 year olds as brides--while a huge demographic of trash women will get trashed.
That's the sexual market, that's the law of supply and demand.
If women don't sell themselves at a price men are willing to buy them, none will buy them--thus greatly reducing the bargaining power of women.
Women can't last very long without men.
>>55285703
fucking noob she didn't even try to put up her forcefield. she deserved to have that mans aura slammed into her face.
>>55285795
you can interact with abstract concepts. since you like meat, perhaps you could interact with "the hunt." i suspect that is why man is intertwined with meat in the first place.
>>55280947
Unless war breaks out and all the muslims are taken out they'll basically rape their way to domination and that'll be that really. Feminism won't last forever either way it cannot function without men serving it and those that do are practically useless with skills and feminists don't want to date them anyway.
>>55285851
they have sex
proved wrong
>>55285940
Sure thing broski
You could say I'm one of these MGTOW guys, I'm a truck driver that gets paid very well to travel the country and I go pretty much wherever I want. You name it I've been there.
Women are a big hassle at this point in life. I just want toys and money. I chased girls for 15 years and decided it wasn't worth it. Women these days are a pain in the dick. They are like parasites they want to suck you dry and move on to the next host.
>>55283810
While I agree with your reasoning, sir, I must challenge this portion.
>Limit asset splitting to no more than 50%, although ideally split it based on how much each spouse contributed economically to the marriage, based on tax records.
The problem here is that even if one party (Can't be sexist here because there are a lot of lazy faggots out there) does not work, they can still be providing some form of value to the relationship. My girlfriend works now but I do not want her to - I find her more valuable if she takes care of the home and keeps things well oiled. By this term, she would be worth exactly 1/2 of all of our belongings.
In fact, she already knows - if she gets sick of me, take her truck, load it up and leave. Take all the money in the bank - and she knows I keep two months pay stashed that she cannot touch incase she decides to leave - I do this with the stipulation that she cannot have two specific objects and one is this computer I built - which she may take as vengeance, as well. However, guys, my father taught me that money can always be made. She can take everything and leave but then she's gone and it's her loss and my gain.
>>55285851
That's like saying monks were bound to die out after the first generation.
>>55285618
Toothpaste is always the one whiteknighting cunts in these threads.
>>55286079
protip: being a provider of security as always been the man's role, stop fooling yourself with you're pussy ass feminized male modern ideals
you can use this knowledge to your advantage, or you can keep jerking off to tranny porn, your call
>>55286220
this
just STFU colgate
>>55283067
>misanthropy is hereditary, the problem will fix itself!
>>55285836
>yet not one of them can deepthroat. My onahole can, and it doesn't ask me to buy it drinks beforehand
>>55286193
Assets, typically, add up to much more than money in the bank. Although you're right, if one partner's working and the other is a stay at home parent, then it should be a 50/50 split. If both partners are employed full time, however, then it should be based on how much money they've contributed through the years, based on tax records. You could have it so that any years one parent was childrearing would be weighted towards 50/50, and then base it on income for years that both were working.
>>55286439
nothing can compare. All modern women are good for is sex and they can't even work a cock right.
>>55286561
Here here! Fleshlight master-race reporting.
>>55284032
True.
The second group is mgn
Men Going Nowhere
>>55286220
>>55286346
>whiteknighting cunts
> stop fooling yourself with you're pussy ass feminized male modern ideals
See, i grew up in a functional household, in a tradcon country, so i don't have trouble with relationships.
U do get awfully riled up about this sort of thing though, inveting bizarre ideologies for why you're really thirsty as fuck for pussy, but pretending like you ain't, and reassure your role as "security provider".
You know there's a folk saying we have here - The leper will always make every conversation about his sores.
>>55286718
>you're really thirsty as fuck for pussy
stop strawmanning me faggot
this is not at all what I was saying and that's what is getting me riled up dumbass, you're putting words in my mouth that I haven't said
>>55286561
Life-like texture ;_;
>>55281725
lmao
>>55283241
how can you afford to feed cats if you cant even pay debts?
>>55285926
You do know that fapping to a women is not the same as fucking a women, right?
Right?
Do MGTOW have a different effect on society than gay men?
Also, there are a lot of people basically "quitting" society at this point, probably mostly men. I wouldn't call them MGTOW since that's a movement, but they're basically just not participating in society and spending their life at home online.
>>55280947
MGTOW is a fucking meme. Any rational male will take an opportunity to fuck 10/10s. Show me one non-meme person who is an actual MGTOW fag.
PROTIP: YOU CAN'T
stop pretending like YOU are making the choice, the choice was made when your parents gave birth to you.
>>55287026
>opportunity to fuck 10/10s
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA LEL
there is no such thing son
live and learn
>>55281725
It is different in this iteration, anon.
First, war will be avoided. Mankind has now enough power to destroy earth if this go wrong, and everybody knows this. There's simply no ustification for war in th modern world.
Second, nationalism has died out in this globalized world of us. If a country starts a war people won't even TRY to stay there. They simply immigrate to another contry. Look Syria.
A conscription simply won't be effective.
>>55280947
>Is there any way to get discouraged men to opt back in?
Good question, here's some choices society has.
Dismantle the social institutions that largely relies on beta male taxation, repeal unfair marriage laws,
and most MGTOW will want to buy into the gridwork again
Coerce the new betas to raise and have children through people with guns and blue clothes
Steal beta male taxes to subsidize neglectful, frivolous single mothers, thus raising a successively more dysfunctional generation of latch key children.
>Oh, look. We need to import more diversity
Human sociology follows deterministic patterns.
MGTOW and Grass eaters are the symptom of the disease that is the welfare state.
For every 30 teenage girls who become whores, a non-chad wizard is born. It's only now that we've begun to notice the wizards, they are amassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jtybXWGhFw
>>55281725
I think you are missing a step. In previous wars the Alphas have gone off to fight. The Betas, being the only penises on the block actually got some trim and knocked a few women who were willing to lower their standards up.
Now when the Alphas go to war, the Betas are busy with their own Beta revolution of masturbating, hiding in the basement, and random school shootings, that hopefully the Beta seed will die off. The returning Alphas can repopulate America with their masculine seed.
The Betas will have to either be force to continue their MGTOW, become dick smokers, randomly shoot up a school and get killed, or fuck off to Canada.
Could possibly work.
The only way to get them to a war zone would be to lure them in with some Beta bait. Load them up on planes, and drop them in the combat zone. None will survive, but it would be doing the world a huge service.
What would be the perfect Beta bait? Fee fedoras? Free trench coats? Samurai swords?
This is important, what would get the Betas out of their dwellings and into the scary outside world?
More and more women are becoming terrified. They've manipulated the system since time immemorial and now that it's changing, they don't know what to do.
More men are waking up and realizing that marriage is meaningless and it's only for the woman's benefit. Also, less children are being made... another piece of the meal ticket drying up.
With the inventions of VR porn and fuckbots on the horizon, women are becoming obsolete.
>>55280947
bunch of faggots
>>55280947
>>55281139
>>55281214
>>55283381
You are never alone when you are in a good spirit!
>>55287193
I disagree. For the last 70 years the nuclear deterrent has prevented conventional war, but now missile defense systems are beginning to rapidly improve. I believe that in another decade or so it may not be enough of a threat to human existence to stop a war.
As for nationalism...it's alive in many places, not least of all the superpowers likely to be involved in such a conflict. I wouldn't discount the possibility of a resurgence.
>>55284846
Aye
>>55287366
I truly am sorry that you've never had a decent woman in your life. Whether that's by your own doing or nature's I cannot tell, but nevertheless I am sad. When you find the right woman who doesn't give a fuck about all the "manipulating the system" bullshit the world will make a lot more sense to you. Until then you're nothing but a scared beta blaming all your problems on the source of your pent-up sexual frustrations.
>>55287415
>Not Glenmorangie or Laphroig
Shit taste senpai
>>55287318
Just fill that plane with MLP dolls and anime pillows.
But seriously, the goverment should start collecting IPs of all /pol/ and /r9k/ posters that post all this mgtow beta bullshit. Maybe going to their houses and start a little purge. Right now virgin betas are more dangerous than isis.
>INB4 proxies, 4chan doesn't allow them anymore.
>>55287149
what the fuck are you throwing up you vile sack of gummy bears
>>55280947
Japan
>>55287550
But I have, I'm in a relationship now.
I'm just stating the obvious. More and more men are getting fed up with the bullshit women have put on them for years, and now, women don't know what to do.
>>55280947
>>55281248
>>55281214
>Men
>dying alone
Man will always have loyal friends. I dont think any will die lonely.
Women cant be loyal to eachother for more than a year or two hence the cats
>>55286718
>The leper will always make every conversation about his sores.
Like your rotting flesh falling from your bones after injecting krokodil and sucking dick for 5 bucks?
a lot of guys dont see the prospect of getting a stable job, a house, and a loyal wife whos relatively clean/doesnt have a "wild past". before these things were more prevalent and the expected route and life layout for a lot of guys, mostly whites. but now you read all this stuff about whores in college taking 5 nigger dicks in their ass every weekend. then you multiply that by all the campuses around the country. then you end up with collateral damage and a lot of guys not seeing the effort in dating and settling for jamals and chads used goods.
with these incentives gone, guys fall back into simpler states of just existing and finding their own hobbys that greatly pass the time. if they get horny theres petabytes of free 3d or 2d porn to get off to, and the vr and model waifu industry is preparing to take off in the next decade or so. people don't inherently care about the structure of society, but previous societies had incentives for caring and putting the effort in. with those gone, who the fuck cares.
t. neet
>>55287460
>but now missile defense systems are beginning to rapidly improve.
And so has the missile delivery system. I remember reading here in /pol/ that China had a missile that could penetrate USA's anti-missile shield, by sending it above the atmosphere and then letting it fall at supersonic speed.
This is mostly speculation but the nuclear deterrent will still hold for a while.
>As for nationalism...it's alive in many places
That might be so, but the guys you want to conscript are the most anti-social of the bunch. They are dropping off society because it wo't cater to them, do you really think they will fight for that society?
I did the whole MGTOW thing but it ended up getting me laid, so I gave it up immediately after that desu
>>55287769
>krokodil
You need to brush up on your dank memes, Finland, it's all about that JWH now it the motherland.
>implying anyone has 5 bucks to rub together for a BJ after BASED BOODINE's genius realpolitik
top cake
>>55281813
>lifting weights to better oneself is a useless pursuit
>a true alpha male such as myself spends his time in solitude reading mangas and playing video games to increase my hand eye coordination
>>55287576
That's not true, v6bSN+z3-san. It is a fine drink.
Laphroaig has a terrible body to it, weak, and lacking in peat.
>>55280947
Revolution.
Every nation with a large surplus of young men without a family or a career to keep them occupied ended up with those young men taking power one way or another.
It takes time, but it always happens.
>>55281725
>giving men that are already so disenfranchised that they have checked out of society weapons training, arming them, then forcing them to go through hell for the benefit of the people they already resent.
What could possibly go wrong.
I believe it is a natural, hardwired reaction when the beta population is too large they will naturally die off for the good of the species, leaving the females exclusively to superior alpha males.
>>55288007
the fuck? Laphroaig is peaty as they come
>>55280947
>What are the long-term effects of MGTOW/Herbivore Men on society?
Massive drop in birth rates, resulting in an aging society, whos elders cannot be provided for as the society lacks younger working people.
Also there are the psychological effects in individuals.
>Is there any way to get discouraged men to opt back in?
Alimony/child support need to be completely overhauled. Its too much to handle in its current state, when you're also factoring in a divorce, and some of the payments are absolutely absurd (e.g. ex-wife of RHCP member who wanted 75k A MONTH).
Alimony is a relic of the old times where women were completely financially dependent on their husband, it has no place in modern society where men and women are both allowed, and (sometimes) expected to work.
Child support should still exist, but there needs to be a cap on the payments, and (although, this one may not be possible due to it being so impractical) there should be some means for ensuring the money goes towards the child rather than new boots for the teenage whore of a mother.
>>55287318
want some cream to soothe your bleeding anus anon?
>>55287282
>grass eaters
How is veganism linked to a symptom of the welfare state? That is literally the most ridiculous argument against veganism I've ever heard.
>>55284846
>bachelor tax
...pls tell me this don't real.
>>55288197
>Laphroaig
You are mistaken. It is smoky, not peaty.
Ardbeg Corryvreckan is also a good peaty drink for instance.
>>55288387
>Grass eaters
They are the Japanese Men-Going-Their-Own-Way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM
When the narrator mentions ''The pretty ones'', that can be translated into the new man who's wary of women
There's this sociological determinism going on, very parallel to the mouse experiment.
Pretty ones, Grass eaters, MGTOW, we're the product of utopia
>>55288530
I'm writing this down, doe i gotta admit i haven't seen this one around.
>>55281214
Just find a woman.
Have you see how many leftist SJW's are my age? I'm 24 and i can't find one that one stop screaming about gender being fluid or how women are oppressed.
>>55281813
this desu.
>>55288640
>we're the product of utopia
God, if this is utopia I want off the ride
>>55288655
How are women oppressed if gender is fluid, just swim on over to being a man then if its so bad
>>55288746
It's the unsustainable utopia of fiat borrowing.
Whenever the subject of MGTOW gets brought up, women default to bashing the men, then, they try to stand up for them...
They're in unfamiliar territory and they're struggling with it. The women want to use their manipulation techniques, but then suddenly remembering where their meal ticket in life comes from and do a 180 and try to be champions for men, which is just more manipulation.
Women truly are on easy mode in life, but they're greedy. So, when they wanna go full gluttony, they join fraudulent shit like feminism and bitch about not being paid the exact same but that shit can only take them so far, so what ends up happening is they put on their best feminine charms and dupe some dumb guy with money into marrying them and leeching for a couple years, then divorcing him to get half his shit. If children come along, great! That's more money into the woman's pockets. Also, rape.
More and more men are starting to see this, the way they are treated by women and opting out because who wants to be constantly bashed and leeched off of into an early grave?
>>55287576
>Laphroig
>le frog
Did Rome have a similar surge in NEETs/MGTOW/male disenfranchisement just prior to their decline as an empire?
>>55288002 you could say that,
improving your body is for women,
improving your mind is for men.
is it really so complicated?
if you lift weights because you dream of climbing mount Everest or some shit that's cool.
but you know damn well 99% of men lift weights because women like it. it's completely shallow. "wow i look good in that mirror" really fucking manly right... no it just looks manly you dumbass.
>>55288640
She also says the "pretty ones" are stupid...which I find fucked up.
Like...how can scientists (or narrators) even use a word like "stupid" to describe anything in an experiment--why don't they say "less keen on their surrondings" or something like that.
I suspect social engineering.
>>55285695
underrated Post
>>55289146
I lift cause I'm weak
I lift to become more stronk and able to do shit by myself. It's part of the long road to true self sustenance
It's irrelevant because it's a transient ideology. All MGTOW-ers are guys aged 18-30 who are bitter about shit. The majority of them get over it and straighten their shit out by their 30s.
FFS how many MGTOWs do you know older than 40?
It's a juvenile thing. Very appropriate for the "me me I I me" generation.
>>55289135
not sure but sweden did. all the vikings and warriors died off in some pointless battles against finland and the beta keks were behind in the villages fucking bitches finally. and now they're all kucks today.
>>55289286
Where as men who opt out of having female relations can still have fulfilling childhoods.
Mice who opt out of courtship might have not played very much as youngsters therefore have low intelligence.
Maybe they we're slower on a generational-level to disintegrate.
I'm sure mice would have had smart 'pretty ones' if they had language.
>>55289403
i actually lift a little myself. mostly because i want to live as long as possible. often being strong is part of being a man but it's not required at all. Einstein and ghandi were dyel, but they were certainly men.
> be me
> 70k/yr job
> come straight home to studio apartment
> veritable fucking mancave, the living room is just a giant multi-monitor computer station with wall-mounted big TV's
> all the latest consoles for kicks if something fun is being played on /v/, /vg/, or with my buddies, but.. let's be real,
> PC masterrace! Always blowing cash on the latest gear
> Car?: $7k used Hyundai that will probably last me another 5 years before I even consider a replacement.
> Woman bill? Uh, the internet bill... that's it.
I might treat myself to an occasional escort now and then if I really want my cock sucked, but that's about it.
It's a growing trend and idiots in the thread laugh it off. Might as well act like there's nothing wrong with our society then.
>>55289658
I lift every day, started at 5KG dumbbells last month, currently up to 14KG cause I'm out of plates to add
I need to become stronk cause I had to call a mate to give me a hand lifting a TV. A big old 42" CRT, but it made an impression on me that I must become stronger
>now on par with my weakest mate, who lifts with 15KG dumbbells
>Must get stronger to beat him
>>55288530
Typical tardberg doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about
>>55289788
Get a better car mate, even a Genesis coupe is on the bottom end of decent
Get an E90 330i or something
>>55285996
Noooooooooooooo the horror the horror
>>55289793
that's damn good progress. i need to start lifting more consistently. squats and pulls ups tomorrow at the very least. fuck it, pull ups tonight.
>>55280947
I don't trust men or women.
I don't feel lonely.
I don't feel much.
Isn't a mgtow just a guy who never gets married or has long-term girlfriends?
Why would you choose to live life any other way than this?
>>55288646
>>55288646
Please do, I hope you like it.
Here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ardbeg-Corryvreckan-Single-Scotch-Whisky/dp/B008U7SUF2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447041773&sr=8-1&keywords=ardbeg+corryvreckan
>>55290045
I try and do 2 sets of 25 on each arm every day, when I managed to actually meet that 3 days in a row I add another couple KG
10KG was easy, but I'm only managing 15 or so on 14KG before I start getting shaky. I give it another couple weeks then I'll order some more plates and bump up to 18KG or so
>>55289658
Being strong is as important as having a dick.You can fuck bitches harder and generally look and feel better all day. You can stop being a bitch and keep your head up with some beef.
Fuck the weights, just do some pullups, dips, pushups and situps. Go walking and riding and you'll be fit and powerful.
>>55280947
>What are the long-term effects of MGTOW/Herbivore Men on society?
Longterm effects are that feminazi jabbas have less men to date.
>>55290194
Do you jerk off to pics of yourself straya fag?
>>55283810
>child support to no more than 40% of after-tax income.
Jesus that is more than you should be spending on your house.
>>55281248
>>55290417
And less than what many men currently spend on child support. I kid you not.
>>55280947
the "studs" aren't herbavore, they all just want that easy lay. its the betas who want to get married and have kids, but all the whores dont want fat ugly males so they're all ignored. so the problem isn't that men are herbavore, the problem is that women are dumb whores that only want the good stuff.
>>55280947
>2015
>Still caring about the vaginal Jew
GOOD GOY
MGTOW's would have died off due to war and disease in previous centuries. Now they will die of without producing offspring only much later. It's a side effect of the modern mode of production and technological advancement. It's more of an economic issue than a social one because you need to support a sizable group of men in their old age.
>>55281696
>neckbeard
*ahem* the Anti-MGTOWs are the neckbeards.
>>55281813
>god damn, masculinity really is dead.
MGTOW is not about masculinity.
That's what masculinism is about.
MGTOW is about drying up this gynocentric shithole.
>>55281912
>they'll be perfectly content falling into some Chad's rotation.
You're mistaken. Quote:
"The office tower that I work in.... in Toronto, Ontario, Canada there are A LOT of single women. Last month a Matchmaking business in the office tower had a singles night after work....of which I was invited as well as many friends and associates. 105 single women showed up...how many men showed up?....you ready for this?...3....that is correct..3! The dating service was astounded and did not know how to explain it. Of course they blamed it all on the MEN.....What a joke! This is just one example. Another example: When we go for drinks after work we will walk into the bar and the bar is filled with single women aged 25 to 50 (all from the same area). The women always motion to my friends and I to "sit down and have a drink with us". Our response: "Thanks but we have some business to discuss"...and then we go grab our own table AWAY from them. They are never approached and hang out amongst themselves....usually with a bitter scowl on their faces as they do not deal with rejection very well."
>>55282113
>Western society is next.
Western society will be saved by fembots.
>>55285439
>>55288746
Its not a utopia in that sense, but rather that our immediate needs (food, shelter, etc) are being met with little to no effort.
It doesn't mean its an ideal society.
>>55285567
It's even more.
>>55285703
Holy kek, that was delicious.
MGTOW is just us justifying our choice not to fall for the civilizational shit test that is modern western women.
>>55285761
And your conclusion?
>>55288779
Cause I'm not a faggot
>>55280947
>Is there any way to get discouraged men to opt back in?
No, now fuck off and stop panicking. Young males are opting out for a reason, you can't change it.
>>55281139
>>55289135
rome is best
>>55291384
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/csTPo4s.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
Take a look at a MGTOW IRL
https://youtu.be/lKfdS38aBSk?t=3m15s
Really an alpha male who "chose" not to date women.
>>55280947
If MGTOW gets large enough, It'll force the development of the artificial womb to save humanity. This will mean the end of women cause men would just produce sons with the artificial womb.
>>55287282
This is pathetic. Stormfags are in denial mode, and they have been openly discussing ways to get young males to opt back in on this board for months now. Trying to force young males at gunpoint to validate whores and give in to society will only cause a civil war and the complete collapse of everything. Holy shit, you stormfag nazi subhuman pieces of trash would rather round up young males and kill them than address the real problem, which is a misandrist western society and legions of entitled sluts. I spit on all of you nazi whiteknights c-ucks.
>>55290789
>Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Toronto men finally waking up? Thank God.
Got a source for that, Ivan? Not saying I don't believe you I just want the whole story.
>>55281813
>devotes himself to a pointless task because he hopes to be rewarded for it in an afterlife
Yes, what a hero.
>>55291574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfle5WBbhBM
Men have agency. Women do not. You are the master of your destiny all you have to do is realize that fact. Femenism is a product of patriarchy maintained by millions of police and troops an entire legal and political infrastructure just to give her the illusion of agency. You take away her shit, her birth control, her custody laws, and all the products of capitalist society, the designer clothes, the restaurants, the cars and the massive media entertainment industry and she ends up being even less than a nigger and will run in desperation to the closest man in her life. She cannot control her emotions and is driven by hormonal imbalances.
The above scenario is not even that bad for most men even the most beta men. Oh shit, the computer got shut down and no more vidya, Men will still adapt and learn or die trying. And men are ok with dying as long as their death has some meaning. The worst thing for a man is losing your integrity and living an inauthentic dishonorable life.
"They'll be made to. Because they're NEETs and not needed for the continued fuction of the nation, they'll be the first into the draft."
Can you actually fucking imagine this? Taking a NEET and giving him a gun, grenades? Making him leave his cave?
If someone did that to me, I would play along to avoid going to jail, then wait for a moment to frag a CO. Then myself.
>>55284130
you obv don't know American women Russian /b/ro
I'm a cop so I'm in shape and usually go out every other weekend, have girls in my phone and I can tell you.. its so much easier to fuck them and leave them.. esp after all the domestics I see... all my work buddies that are tied down with a kid and bitch wife.. they make me feel pretty good about myself
>even though I know they go home to their wife and say "yea hes still not in a relationship that poor sap"
>American women, not once
and to make it worse
>Florida women
>>55290402
Has...has she ever talked with a man in her life?
>>55291517
Hitler was a femishit himself
>>55290990
Or by someone who's not an omega male peretending to opting out from the game he wasn't in to begin with.
I remember you from dvach. You're fucking bonkers, bro, you're taking this shit waaaay too seriously.
>>55291585
Yeah, pretty much. I laugh and cringe at the same time when I see all these stormfags trying to insult young males and get us to "opt back in" to society. It's so pathetic. This trend of males opting out CANNOT be reversed, and I would spit in a stormfag's face if they tried to grab me and get me to opt back in.
>>55291697
That doesn't surprise me one iota.
>>55291707
>I remember you from dvach
?
>Or by someone who's not an omega male peretending to opting out from the game he wasn't in to begin with.
Every man was in the game. Stop strawmanning this issue, MGTOW is not about "not having sex". MGTOW is about starving the beast.
>>55287026
Fuck off, Cunt.
>>55281139
We all die alone senpai
>>55284130
If chad was knocking up the stacies we would not have a low white birth rate.
Is every chad pulling out and wearing a condom?
>>55291907
blowjobs and anal, plus morning after pills for free at every clinic
>>55280947
The pussy on the pedestal has to stop being swampy grunge cunt. Shit isn't worthy of me.
>>55291907
Very good point.
>>55285660
Too many white men are poor and live at home with their parents
Hmmm, news just has a story very relevant.
15% of teachers are men, men have vacated the profession.
From 1/2 to 15% in 30 years.
Educator saying kids need both male and females to learn off.
>>55291618
Patriarchy is just code word for "shit that works".
>>55292081
