>Legendery retired Army Colonel Macgregor, who led the 2nd Cav’s “Cougar Squadron” in the best-known battle of Operation Desert Storm in February 1991. In 23 minutes, Macgregor’s force destroyed an entire Iraqi Armored Brigade (including nearly 70 Iraqi armored vehicles), while suffering a single American casualty
>However, Macgregor calculated that if his unit had fought a highly trained and better armed enemy, like the Russians, the outcome would have been different.
>In early September he circulated a PowerPoint presentation showing that in a head-to-head confrontation pitting the equivalent of a U.S. armored division against a likely Russian adversary, the U.S. division would be defeated. “Defeated isn’t the right word,” Macgregor told me last week. “The right word is annihilated.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-07/legendary-us-army-commander-says-russia-would-annihilate-us-head-head-battle
Anyone can beat the USA.
Just look at how they're dealing with ISIS.
They may have the slight-edge equipment wise, but tactical and training wise they are weak.
>>55270607
>gib me mo dat
Case closed.
>>55270607
isis could defeat america in a war, 200 million people in the states are economic occupants.
> zerohedge
The only thing Russia can annihilate is itself with flawed devices.
Isn't Russia's military budget like 1/20th that of the US? The US would decimate Russia in its current state.
>>55270607
Interesting article.
Basically it says that America has focused on fighting third world armies and irregular terrorists for so long that it no longer has the capability to go to war with a modern nation.
Russia has a smaller military budget but it also has a much smaller mission, so they are capable of defeating the USA if they fought in Eastern Europe.
... although that itself is an interesting point. America isn't afraid of Russia attacking them, it is afraid that it could not win if they attacked Russia.
>>55270929
Mostly because 90% are wasted in bureaucracy.
>how to trigger amerifats and it's friends
>use Russia and army in the same post
>>55270729
Our military also lacks unit cohesion, because we except immigrants, faggots, and women. Also, field commanders and the rank and file don't much care for our government.
>>55270607
Just Nuke them, Russia
>>55270925
The claim itself is from an American "legendary" general, not Zero Hedge analysis
>>55270929
Yeas, that's because congress and us politics are almost completely composed of lobbyist shills working with various companies that make money selling their overpriced crap to government. Not to even mention that majority of this budget goes for upkeeping military presence, bases and "allies" all over the world. What's left is pretty much wasted for researching things like flying turd called "F35".
>>55270929
A lot of that budget goes to awesome things like the F-35.
except because of icbms, it really doesn't matter worth a damn what conventional forces russia has, total war will never happen within our livetimes
Are you kidding me?
The USA will have some way, way, far- fucking-out weaponry.
They have been building underground bases with nuclear tunnel borers that turn the rock into glass since the 1960s.
The technology that will be in those tunnels will be barely believable.
Ning-Li shielded gravity vehicles and weaponry that the gods would marvel at.
A country that really pissed off the US would be destroyed completely.
Skunkworks bosses have said that they can 'take ET home' and that they are 50 years ahead of the wildest thing you can think of.
>>55270929
>Isn't Russia's military budget like 1/20th that of the US?
The Russian military budget is $83.7 billion. The American military budget is $598.5 billion. But look at the way those budgets are spent.
America has a fleet of expencive aircraft carriers and the ability to wage war in every corner of the world.
Russia has a tiny air force and almost no force projection ability. They know they cannot hope to match NATO air superiority so they don't even try. Instead it spent all of its money on defending itself from those.
Russia has the most sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons in the world. The Russian S-400 is relatively cheap, easy to use, can be transported quickly and disguised, it is capable of locating and destroying stealth bombers and drones. It may or may not be capable of destroying high altitude stealth spy planes. Russia has the ability to render NATO's airpower useless.
>>55271744
Where are the proofs?
>>55271777
> tiny airforce.
Its the second largest in the world.
You think they wouldn't just throw everything they got if they were on the brink of defeat?
>>55271870
good question.
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence though
also, stealth blimps are a barely concealed secret,
>>55271907
Well dude, it's another
>let me tell you about your country
thread.
Well dude,Just lean back, smoke some weed and enjoy the current year, lmao
>>55270607
I thonk Gavin hit the nail on its head when describing this thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jmh6qglDAc
I really hope russia and china start getting involved in the middle east.
for being on the security council, they're sure do a fuckload of nothing. I for one would be entertained to see how capable they are at fighting an insurgency
>had fought a highly trained and better armed enemy
>like the Russians
Stopped there desu
>>55272145
>>55272313
I also don't go to work wearing sweatpants.
>>55272182
France is also on the security council. Like who the fuck let France into the security council?
>>55271098
>... although that itself is an interesting point. America isn't afraid of Russia attacking them, it is afraid that it could not win if they attacked Russia.
now add in the fact that Russia has been doing nothing but focusing on it's defensive capabilities and disrupting enemy forces into the equation
they are a fucking hedgehog
>>55271907
Techinically it's the third.
The first two places are the american airforce and the american navy.
>>55272447
Churchill did.
He wanted a strong France to take Germany's place as the strong man of Europe.
As we can see now that was a pretty bad idea
>>55270607
>not knowing fear mongering by contractor connected ex military is best way to gain moar shekels
>>55270607
If you actually beleive this, which you probably don't, you are woefully misinformed. Taking the word of one former tank commander as gospel is pretty retarded. Plus, he was referencing the fact that, in that particular battle, the U.S. forces were horribly outnumbered. He was meaning to imply that if the mudshits had any amount of remedial training they would've had the battle pretty easily. Plus he was probably just shilling for General Dynamics or someone anyway; "the Russians could possibly beat us" tends to get more money thrown at things.
>>55270607
> pitting the equivalent of a U.S. armored division against a likely Russian adversary, the U.S. division would be defeated
Thing is US an RF armies are not equivalent, US army has superiour numbers and superiour support forces and relies heavily on air power.
But the guy is right, US should realize that there are more dangerous threats than Taliban and adapt their doctrines.
>>55272145
he said kekolded. wow gavin has like ascertained himself as a spokesman for /pol/ wtf?
>>55271744
Yeah and Russians dont have anything hidden. Hell I would not be surprised even if you Brits and Chinese had some secret weaponry.
>>55270607
>retired Army Colonel Macgregor
mfw someone listens to the rambleings of some senile old goat
>>55270607
MacGregor has never seen a real war, let alone battle. The U.S. military is vastly different from the bench warmers he worked alongside during his tenure.
>>55272533
>>55272447
M8ie pot8ie, I'm on the fucking security council.
What the fuck was is UN thinking?
Chinese soldiers are paid 9 times less than their American counterparts btw
Well at least we're diverse.
>>55270607
Fuck off russia
>>55272807
>Can hire 9 times the soldiers for the same price.
>Once they're on the battlefield, their income is largely irrelevant because earning $X a month isn't going to help you dodge bullets.
>>55270607
No this is how it will go down.
>Something will happen and NATO+US invades Russia
>Russians panic for a bit, retreat, retreat, retreat
>WINTER CHAN sings; *let it snow*
>Russians go; "o-oh, u-uh, err... HA HA! You got caught in our ruse! We were waiting for winter all along!"
>Suddenly NATO+US get a science lesson in the effects of extreme cold on trains, planes, batteries, trucks, etc.
Every time this happens.
Napoleon, Hitler, no one learns the lesson!
>>55271098
It's no surprise he's armored. They have been bitching about this since Korea.
Same with the Air Force.
They should be happy these engagements are most likely a thing of the past.
Sure, but a tank vs tank battle between the two is unlikely.
The war begins and ends with who can put cruise missiles on target the best and who has the better weapon systems for their aircraft.
Protip: It's the Americans.
>b-but muh agile Russian fighters!
They would be shot down before they even get close for dog fighting.
>>55272892
The Mongols didn't seem to have a problem.
>>55270607
>in a head-to-head confrontation pitting the equivalent of a U.S. armored division against a likely Russian adversary
But this is a stupid comparison. The whole point of US military doctrine is not having to go head-to-head in large scale land warfare. In any real confrontation, the US uses it's vastly more numerous, better trained and technologically superior air-force to establish supremacy and decimated enemy ground formations in short order. Whatever a US armored division comes up against has been severely degraded.
Russia can't even replace the engines in their helicopters and airplanes because all their factories are in Ukraine and now they are fighting.
Russia also can't manufacture any of the microelectronics in their missiles and rely on China and the West for them.
>>55270607
A war with the Russians would be different than fighting the Iraqis. Comparing the two doesnt show much.
>>55272892
If a frontal US x RF war was to happen, there would be way more important logistical issues than winter.
>>55273101
Thats why Russians have the best AA systems in world.
>>55270607
RIDF hard at work
Go fuck yourselves you commie shits
>>55273220
Drones have made those obsolete. You swarm the battlefield, the AA reveals itself, and it is swiftly B2ed.
>>55272564
>US should realize that there are more dangerous threats than Taliban and adapt their doctrines.
We don't have to
We have tactics for beating armies down to a fucking science and have for 30 years.
Our current tactics being exercised in the middle east exist because we are fighting people practicing gorilla warfare which is nothing like conventional warfare
>>55271777
That and its nuclear arsenal may be in better shape than the West's.
War has rules.
Usa has been following rules.
Funny enough the rules have been followed for the last few decades.
The moment when a rule is broken, is where everything becomes ruined.
Winning a war only makes you hated.
Losing it makes you defamed.
War only tears us all apart.
And yet, how else are people going to accomplish anything without fighting against a wrong?
THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyakI9GeYRs
In DOTA, sure.
You can't beat Russia from one front. If NATO attacks than China must attack too. The Russians would be beaten by the german back in ww2 if japan had attacked, but the soviet had intel that the japs concentrated on their enemies.
>>55271777
>777
God trips don't lie. S500 soon.
>>55270729
We're trying not to turn Syria into Iraq 2, aint nobody got time for that edition. They are closer to you, why don't you put on your pants and answer the door edition.
>>55270729
There's hardly anyone on the ground there. If any, obongo had far more to do with isis by pulling out of Iraq and doing nothing there for years.
>>55271744
The Americans can turn rock into glass. Sources?
Even if that existed, somebody from another country invented that. I mean, Americans inventing anything? They only steal ideas.
I think you're a bit too pro-american. I mean, Ning-Li shielded gravity vehicles aren't that amazing.
>>55273501
>how else are people going to accomplish anything without fighting against a wrong?
By creating whats better
>>55270607
>implying anyone would be alive after that war
Sure is circle jerky in here.
Fascinating how they try desperately to authenticate him by constantly referring to him as legendary. I'm suprised they didn't say Russian scientists traveled back in time to ask Eisenhower about his thoughts and he conclusively demonstrated on a napkin that russia is strong.
The US military is corporate welfare, it's weak as fuck, and designed to bomb Arabs.
>>55272600
Russia has not had the money to match the US
The Chinese will, probably have a good amount.
We probably have a few spoons hidden deep in a bunker...
>>55273738
>Ning-Li shielded gravity vehicles aren't that amazing
i think repelling gravity is pretty fucking amazing desu.
>>55274045
The UK probably has some of the most coolest shit hidden, that would be my guess.
>>55271117
>Russian army
I didn't come to this site for hilarious jokes but it looks like I found them
>>55272937
So you're going to bomb the shit out of Russia?
Cool strategy, just remember Russia has nukes.
You use a nuke on them, they use a nuke on you.
You can replace nuke with missile as well, and it will serve the same purpose.
Americans should really learn that better technology and equipment =/= instant win.
>>55271117
>how to trigger germitards
>800k
>>55274269
>You use a nuke on them, they use a nuke on you.
>You can replace nuke with missile as well
And this is why these "scenario battles" are retarded. They won't even happen.
>>55272892
Considering this isn't 1942 and we have modern heating technology this seems unlikely. Also nukes, so this will never happen.
>>55274157
The country is too small. I imagine there are some big bases in Scotland, thats all.
Michael Schratt has some interesting videos on youtube btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFWza6LTMrY
>>55271354
>Legendery retired Army Colonel Macgregor
>Colonel
>general
Nice try. By the way, Colonels are notorious failures who couldn't clear the hurdle to general officer.
I have never heard of this dude... ever.
And the fact that his unit killed some Iraqis in 1991... yeah... yeah...
Opinion discarded.
>legendary "crazy uncle" Colonel Macgregor
>>55270607
>>55270729
Anyone but you, Pakistan.
>>55273989
They used a Ouija board and communed with Genghis Khan and he said six dedicated Comanche with tomahawks could decimate any carrier group. He's "legendary" he proved it.
>>55273658
You're turning Syria into Vietnam II. Also, fuck you about the refugees: you're fault.
I mean, you're against ISIS - a bunch of retarded goat-fuckers; how hard can beating them be?
>>55273685
I completely agree with you here. Obongo is a retard for not engaging ISIS on the ground as; you have the manpower and equipment to thwart them like a bug, but you're just not doing it.
>>55270607
Lol Russia tries so hard to spread disinformation. Merica would obliterate China and Russia combined. Pls just stop.
>>55274157
I think we have force-fields now. They were in development in 2010. Knowing us, without sounding too arrogant, they're probably nearly finished.
>>55270607>>55270751 >>55270785 >>55271098 >>55271266 >>55272145 >>55272543 >>55272561 >>55272564 >>55272726 >>55272776 >>55272881 >>55272892 >>55273101 >>55273167 >>55273226 >>55273794 >>55274639 >>55274748
Tsar Putin would never destroy the USA though.
Unless King Trump really goes full retard.
And the USA knows it needs alpha Russia a lot more than it needs kek Merica in the world now.
Russia might be the last great hope in the war against radical Islam in the future.
But look at him, would this man destroy the USA? I dont think so.
Putin is love.
>>55274132
It's cool, but not something the God's would marvel at - maybe I'm just being pedantic, though; reading about it she only claimed to have made a prototype. (Keywords: Claimed and Prototype).
>>55274269
shooting nuke or missiles at each other will never happen, both sides know that will lead to the ensured destruction of there country or have there fellow country men kill them for it
there will be no nukes or missiles
a lot of bombs though which surprise surprise America packs the best arsenal
>>55274824
>>55274993
>>55273833
This is someone who is far greater than you'll ever be.
He probably knows more about it than you.
>Russian Scientists go back in time and Kill Einstein - I mean ask Eisenhower if Russia is stronk. All is revealed on a napkin.
Retarded analogy that makes no sense.
>>55270729
you are a fucking dumbass
>>55273685
>>55274743
Ultimately Obama is a representative, we the people don't want boots on the ground.
I understand that you want a scapegoat but I hate when you people do that. Take some responsibility. Americans didn't want to fight anyone anymore, lets just admit that instead of acting like our leader's hands aren't tied. You fucking traitors.
Russian insecurity: the thread.
>>55273318
>russians didn't study iraq war 1 at all
>>55273501
>rules meme
what rules made the US military less efficient in the example given in the op?
you mean nukes?
don't be a fucking retard
>europeans having wet dreams about defeating the mighty USA
Stop dreaming and just try it.
>>55274394
I know; I was only pointing his reasoning was flawed.
>>55274646
Slim chance, but we could - Nigeria.
>>55274993
My point exactly. I was saying bombing Russia would never work, and it would be highly unlikely that would ever come to fruition, as you explained.
>>55275006
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/7487740/Star-Trek-style-force-field-armour-being-developed-by-military-scientists.html
That's the source. As for your argument, I don't understand it. Are you just being a Paki?
>>55271777
>The Russian military budget is $83.7 billion. The American military budget is $598.5 billion. But look at the way those budgets are spent.
I too, look at the way those budgets are spent.
What I see is the US spending $30,000 on toilet seats and hammers. Millions of dollars of taxpayer money is funneled into private bank accounts of a select few incumbent industrialists who managed to bribe their way into military contracts.
The US military is an expensive overbloated bureaucracy that never gets a "no" when they ask for anything.
The moment the US military actually has to deal with operating in a cost-effective manner is the moment it completely falls apart. How's the logistics situation going to be when a quarter of your enlisted want to go AWOL because you haven't paid them in 9 months and you can only afford to supply 3/4ths of your forward operating bases? How well do your naval and armor crews do with navigation when their GPS satellites have been knocked out of orbit? What are the recruitment and retention numbers going to look like when 70%+ of the 15-35 age group refuse to enter service in spite of a draft?
>>55271744
nigga are you fucking stupid. Why would the US keep anything hidden. The best way to win a war is to win before having to fight it. If they indeed have all this technology they can just show it off and put pressure into russia and china into accepting their demands
>>55270607
Keep shoveling that propaganda slavaboo, you will lose and you will die just like your precious soviet union died like a little bitch wimper
>>55274646
If we want to go into Britain vs. America in more depth. I would tell you that it is highly unlikely.
However, if it does happen then most of the nations of the Commonwealth will aid us - which includes Canada to the North, and Australia and New Zealand to the East.
And we also have other allies (South Africa, China (possibly, if they wanted to)).
America's allies would be Japan (possibly), some EU (although that may be unlikely depending on the Brexit); I can't think of anymore, other than those.
Who would win? I don't know truthfully, but considering America's track record and your weaknesses, we may genuinely have the edge.
>>55275081
I wouldn't know, I'm not American. How am I a traitor?
You started a war, which you don't want to finish... Ok. Although, it can be argued we helped start it.
>>55275183
What's the point. If the whole of Europe fought you, with a reasonable defence budget, we'd fuck you up. Remember, it's the whole of Europe, not just one country you're talking about.
OP showed a source which featured an American colonel explaining how Russia could defeat the USA. Talk about being a kek.
>>55275680
Sorry I didn't mean you in particular, I meant every American that peddles the Obama is weak bullshit when we all know the country basically voted to stop putting boots on the ground and withdraw from the countries we were in.
Obama has actually kept more people in than we wanted and is now sending special forces in when the majority of Americans don't want that either.
The rest of the world damns us when we are hawkish and now damning us when we are pulling back. What do you want from us? Are we the super fucking power rangers or not?
>>55272807
They also pay $9.99 for a toilet seat instead of $600.00 like the U.S.
>>55271098
also the fact so many domestic American citizens hate the government and would probably ally with the opposing army.
>>55275968
The world hates your current tactics of bomb them and hope for the best.
If Based Dave follows en suite, I'll be pissed.
It doesn't work and it only creates more problems.
What we need to do - yes, we - is send out forces and colonise the shit out of the Middle East. If they don't like it - fuck them. What are they going to do about it?
>>55274743
These are the former Iraqi republican guard and a bunch of retarded goat fuckers. They die like everybody else.
>>55270607
Stay delusional, bydlo. You and I both know your army is ill equipped and underfunded.
>>55274493
>le twelve-year-old american kid le posting on le meme site for le adults
Kill yourself babby
>>55270729
They failed in Vietnam because they weren't willing to pay the price that a victory would've required.
They weren't willing to take the losses anymore. And that's why they're not messing with anyone who could actually put up a fight anymore...
>>55274924
>Trump going full retard in a war against Russia.
Are you fucking dumb as shit? Trump is one of the only ones who wants to stop the US from being world police, the chance of going to war with Russia is far higher under Clinton than Trump
>>55276297
>the empire strikes back
>>55278932
Sort of, we stopped giving a fuck about a bunch of helpless subhuman gooks who were aiding the enemy and pulled out. The North got what they wanted, enacted justice on the South, and now everybody wants a piece of big daddy America's dick. I guess you could call what they did "winning" but they still live in mud huts and starve to death. Good for them.
>>55273101
that is one great pic anon
>>55276297
Our current tactics are that way because we can't put boots on the ground without the people bitching.
We can't colonize shit with the Shia and Sunni flinging shit at each other, unless we want to undertake a major operation. The problem is all of you european "allies" eventually back out. This is why I won't stand for your bullshit either, you guys get tired or cold feet and leave us holding the bag.
>>55274743
They actually have a lot of money. They earned it by robbing iraqi banks and selling the oil from oil fields which they torch if they have to leave.
It´s estimated 400 million $ and basically 15-20% of Iraqs GNP is under their control.
also, USA has top tier remote viewers and remote influencers
>some guy in a base in Texas is probably using just his mind to make ISIS wankers die
