Why does /pol/ ignore the evidence that income inequality leads to a less cooperative society?
What are you talking about you potato nigger?
>>55254675
Because the people here are mainly whites cuddled from their births in a stable upper middle class environment and have a "fuck you I got mine" mindset twoards everything. Those in the bottom half are just stupid, lazy, or deserves to be there according to everything I've seen here. Don't even try to change the narrative, it's hopeless.
>>55254675
We don't. We simply believe that a cashier at McDonald's shouldn't receive 20$/hour and that a CEO should invest his money somewhere to make the economy run.
Can anyone please explain why "income inequality" is such a big deal?
>>55254675
That graph is going to change once multiculturalism really takes hold and destroys those countries
>>55254675
I'm don't. Everyone should read Divided: The Perils of Our Growing Inequality. Sums it up pretty well.
Used to be a full fledged libertarian, fuck everyone else, #StandWithRand /pol/ack but now I realize how fucked the US really is. Oh, and Sanders 2016.
>>55254675
>sweden lower than all of those other countries on health and social problems
just how old/real is this data? how is it even defined?
>>55254969
In a class based society it's a huge deal. But we don't live in a sefdom. So it's a moot point when talking about the West. Especially America where economic mobility is the norm.
>>55254675
Multiculturalism leads to a less cooperative society to, you r-selected fucktard.
>>55255151
Sounds like we're fine, then.
>>55255048
Well can you give a summary?
>>55254975
Except Japan which is fine and has just been chillin for a few decades.
>>55255160
>r-selected
Oh wow looks like Stephan is already having drones eat up his new theories.
>>55255257
Except that, the left's entire existence is based on class struggle. Since it doesn't actually exist in our society (yours and mine, to a lesser extent UK), they manufacture it through outrage/identity politics. Everyone as an individual is disadvantaged to some extent, since they can't scream as a class, they scream as like minded individuals. Hopefully this is the end of it and they continue eating themselves. But I don't know how long that could drag on. The big fats have a lot of food left on the little fats bodies.
>>55255476
Everyone's just chillin. It's just fringe places such as pol are claiming the worlds ending when it's not. Still waiting on those market collapse threads to come back with all those enlightened descriptions of what's what.
>>55255495
It's a pretty old theory.
>>55255551
Markets were collapsing. They've been consistently and artificially propped since 2000.
>>55254675
>Japan and Nordic countries
>over 95% country natives
No one is surprised
>>55255557
Not for mankind. He said it him self that it's his developing theory. People throw them selves at anything that comes out of his mouth because they need to be the ones that are right about everything in their lives.
>>55255099
Well, well, well, what do we have here? Yet another lost sheep.
Tell me what, why do niggers and mudslimes want to move here? Is it because of glorious Swedish forests? Or maybe weather? Or maybe our exceptional military power that will guarantee their protection?
>>55255151
This is bait right? America does not have social classes issues you say? (America the continent, of course)
>>55255610
Sure thing. Doesn't matter what it is, it keeps going and affording people better lifestyles than the rest. Keep spitting the doomsday rhetoric because it helps my portfolio a lot.
Income inequality is not a real thing. It's another whine tactic by the left to justify the fact that they wasted their time on a shit degree and aren't getting the instant gratification of 6 figures starting.
>>55255721
Exactly, just another useless broken front of politics. There will always be some struggle that has a real root in someone doing better fiscally than someone else. It's not about everyone being better off, it's about someone being better than me.
I don't know the accuracy of OP's graph, but it is super reasonable.
How are you supposed to cooperate if you are poor and an outcast of society?
How are you supposed to cooperate if you are middle class and do all the work, pay all the taxes and are subject to crime?
How are you supposed to cooperate if you are high class and everyone else is working for you?
>>55254675
Unequal societies = cuz niggers
>>55255630
I have no idea who you're talking about. It's been a theory about human development for a while. I read about it in a 20yo text book.
>>55255682
America in the only sense that matters.
>>55255862
Sure you did. I also just read your post which makes me wish for human development to come faster for people of your type.
This is just another reason why Japan is best country. Fuck the Chinese cartoons, that's just a bonus on an already fantastic society that understands how things should be done in their situation.
>>55254675
Artifically re-distributing money is Communism.
Fortunately people here know better
>>55255099
>just how old/real is this data? how is it even defined?
Mid-00s. They go into detail into their methods in the book. It's all about social hierarchies and the more hierarchical a society is the less cooperative people will be. Income inequality being one manifestation of a more selfish hierarchical attitude.
https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resources/the-spirit-level
>>55255160
>Multiculturalism leads to a less cooperative society to, you r-selected fucktard.
Possible, ethnic tensions could decrease social cohesion, tied in with this would be greater support for income inequality.
As for your assumptions about r and k selection, they are pure speculation. In fact peaceful malthusian environments support k selection, whereas those who emmigrated early to America escaped malthusianism (and had an average fertily per woman of 7 children) so r-selection should have been rammed up.
>>55255151
>So it's a moot point when talking about the West. Especially America where economic mobility is the norm.
America is a classless society? Lol. If you read the book you will see that economic mobility is actually higher in more equal countries.
>>55256010
Also fuck Commies
>>55255108
>>55255048
you must not have understood free market economics if you changed your viewpoint to that of a socialist.
>>55254675
correlation = causation fallacy again
Import niggers, surprised when niggers get nigger wages.
>>55255647
>exceptional military power
>Sweden
I keked full heartily thank you.
>>55256023
Lol fucking commie just get off my based Aryan pol red pulled club.
>>55254675
Why does non-/pol/ call "diversity" our strength and ignore how it leads to greater inequality and a less cooperative society?
>>55256173
Because that would make me lose my Facebook friends and lose my wage job I got in debt for. Just uncool and racist man. You know me just chill and Netflix and stuff lol.
>>55256065
No faggot, it's only logical for it be that way.
Inequality=crime=segregated society=non cooperation
>>55256285
Other way around, our social problems are because the majority of people here are morons, which leads to inequality because we aren't commies and want to take away from the people who aren't morons.
>>55256343
Fuck those damn commies amirite fellow based Aryan red pilled wiseman?
>>55256023
America was founded, and spent most of its history, destroying social classes.
I think you all need some freedom.
>>55254675
How about listing every single country instead of cherrypicking just a few?
>make up a bunch of fake problems
>"look at how many problems there are!"
>>55256499
In case you're being sarcastic, there was historically a real peril of commies taking over here. Vile perfidious creatures all of them
>>55256676
Of course not. Those damn commies what are they thinking?! They need to get off my tax paying ass and impeach Obama for being a trader Muslim scammer.
>>55256614
They deliberately looked at only developed countries over a certain size where full data was available. Otherwise all sorts of other factors would come into play and it wouldn't be a fair comparison.
>>55256807
Lol you're just a damn commie and you need to get off my pol!
what the fuck do you want us to do about it?
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Funny how you could change the x-axis to "how heterogeneous a country's population is" and you'll get the same results
>>55254675
Have you considered that the causal relationship might be the other way around?
I.e that societies with more health/social problems tend to produce a more unequal distribution of income.
>>55257153
That's just commie talk. Everything's fine and only the retarded and lazy don't succeed.
>>55256057
As someone who's a socialist and who has an economics/politics degree, this is simplistic to say the least. It's not hard to understand free-market economics, you just have to read Smith, Hayek, Friedman and various others. It's points are so simplistic (Hayek: "political centrilization is bad m'kay") that it's pretty hard to not understand it.
On the other hand, explaining income inequality, surplus value, use value, economic inefficiencies/externalities, capital-wage relations is much harder.
That's not to say that socialism is superior because it's harder to understand (fallacious argument), just that free-market economics requires no training in economics.
>>55257362
You do realize this is actually true right.
Reminder it was literally commies that dismembered my cunt's empire in 1974.
How can you not hate them
>>55254675
looks like they are worse in countries with the most niggers
>>55256568
Your mistake is your looking at an average of income when the median and HDI is a much better indicator the measure the wellbeing of society in general. The average is influenced by the super rich, so America's average GDP per capita is ~50k whilst it's median income is ~30k.
This is because the rich (of whom earn much much more with economic "freedom") skew your statistic and makes it look like society and not a few individuals benefit.
>>55257486
Society as a whole benefits when the rich get richer. They are going to need luxury cars and yachts and food, and the people building those cars and yachts are going to need services too.
>hurr durr why is inequality bad
because half our nation is struggling in the richest country in the world
>>55257431
I hate those damn commies and I have my trump hat and my marine corp sticker on the back of my lifted Dodge Ram to prove it.
>>55257581
false, economies become more unstable when the rich become the super rich
>>55257153
Well health and social problems have some degree of flexibility, one factor which makes a huge amount of evolutionary sense is that people alter their selfishness/cooperativeness according to how selfish/cooperative other people are being, so as to not have their cooperativeness be taken advantage of by selfish people.
It makes sense that income equality is a potent psychological signal of greater selfishness and less overall cooperativeness in a society.
>>55257666
Because communists start the "class struggle" and start distorting the market by demaning things they did not work for
>>55254675
>>55257666
Look at your trips. Your just a commie devil that is a socialist Muslim like Obama. Your a traitor and the lord and savior has marked you with the number of the beast so is truly blessed Americans know to ignore your commie lies.
>>55254675
I totally agree that corporate capitalism is harmful to the social fabric of the world. at the same time, cultural marxism is even more of a threat to a stable and cooperative society
>>55257622
The average income is 44k i dont think thats stuggling its just the lazy poorfags are more vocal gimme dat beggers
>>55254675
You sure it's not supposed to say more ethnically heterogeneous countries? Because that's what the data looks like.
>>55254892
Why do yanks always assume every thread is about them only
>>55257972
Because we're more important than you.
>>55254675
Source
Source
Source?
No source.
>>55258087
see >>55257792
>>55257581
Nope
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/business/the-middle-class-is-steadily-eroding-just-ask-the-business-world.html?_r=0
I notice that the countries with the most "health and social problems" are the ones with the most diversity.
>>55254675
seems the whiter the country the better off they are
>>55254675
>hurrrr I made a chart! hurrrrr
>>55258382
Except economic instability is directly related to issues such as crime.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/business/the-middle-class-is-steadily-eroding-just-ask-the-business-world.html?_r=0
So his chart is in no way meaningless.
>>55254892
>mfw I heard people here unironically say rich people got rich by working hard and being smart with their money
They must be poorfags
>>55258304
I notice you have absolutely nothing of value to say.
Hurrr, communism bad. At no time did I ever claim to be communist I just refuted your claim that an economy based on the needs of the super rich is terrible with real world examples.
If you have nothing further to say, I win.
>>55258488
Sorry, I'm not copying well today.
https://ideas.repec.org/p/hal/wpaper/halshs-00564579.html
>why does /pol/ ignore statistical outliers
>>55258609
>If you have nothing further to say, I win.
If only real life was as easy as that non sequitur, there is "instability" because as the richer get richer poor lazy fags want in on the action without working, introducing instability.
Also, I have every reason to hate commies since they single handedly caused >muh empire to be dismembered in 1974.
>>55254675
but /pol/ actually stands FOR equality
this is why we want to get rid of the shits who aren't equal to humans
>>55258814
cognitive dissonance; the post.
>>55254675
Because racial/cultural diversity is much much more culpable
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/?page=full
>>55258160
>nope
They do.
The issue is the rich of today get rich by using government as a tool of plunder. As well as destruction of our currency through the Federal reserve system.
When the rich get richer through the market everyone is better off and has been demonstrated as such over and over again
>>55254675
>Why does /pol/ ignore the evidence that income inequality leads to a less cooperative society?
Even if it did, the fight for equality in practice means to oppress men and privilege women.
It's socialism and feminism.
>>55258032
>No source
See :
>>55256023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ7LzE3u7Bw
>>55254675
hmmm, "Index of Health and Social Problems", very scientific
>>55254892
This is what shit leftists actually believe.
>>55254675
USA
>Multiculturalism & Diversity
>64% white
>Riddled with societal problems
Japan
>Completely homogeneous society
>98% ethnic Japanese
>Thought to be one of the most racist countries in the world
>Absolutely no societal problem
>>55256343
5 yeard old retarded logic GTFO
I'd bet money that income inequality and social problems are correlated with ethnic diversity. More genetic and cultural diversity necessarily leads to more variability in skills, talents, values, and income. It also creates different social circles. Shitty black social and economic networks have contributed a lot to their povery. Great Jewish economic and social networks have contributed a lot to their success.
>>55254892
why is it wrong to believe this?
you sound like you have a gripe w/ private property. if our parents had more economic prowess than other parents why shouldn't their offspring reap the benefits of that prowess.
if you're poor it most likely means you have loser parents w/ shitty values, and sadly, its a negative feedback loop of dumb children and bad values promulgated through the generations
so yes, inequality is the natural order of this country and its just the way it is. we already ahve enough programs anyway for the losers to get theirs.
>>55261106
Do post some more Ben Garrison cartoons
>>55263945
>you sound like you have a gripe w/ private property. if our parents had more economic prowess than other parents why shouldn't their offspring reap the benefits of that prowess.
It's not your merit nor your fault what your parents have achieved, putting some people before others because their parents did better instead of considering their value degenerates society, since you end up favoring not those who are capable, but those whose parents are capable.
tl;dr coalburners
>>55264400
we are ultimately the products of our parents: emotionally, physically, mentally, intellectually
let's not try to pretend that we're all born w/ a tabula rasa, some people are more predisposed to being successful than others, irrespective of race and religion
in my experience, parents who are capable who raise their children with good values are going to be successful just like their parents
