>"It's 2015 and some people are still opposed to gay couples adopting children. I mean, come on! It's 2015!"
Is his line of reasoning justified, /tv/ ? Is he a good influence on our children ?
>>55246682
That's an actual quote btw
No. It's an argumentum ad novitatem, a logical fallacy.
>>55246682
MOM COME QUICK
MOM LOOK I POSTED IT AGAIN
>>55246682
>Is he a good influence on our children ?
how do your children pay for their HBO subscription?
>>55246682
It's not an argument, he's just getting his audience riled up. It's no different than the right wing pundits that Stewart and Colbert ridiculed
>>55246682
I mean, it is 2015, so I guess he is.
>>55246682
"Chronological snobbery is the erroneous argument (usually considered an outright fallacy) that the thinking, art, or science of an earlier time is inherently inferior to that of the present, simply by virtue of its temporal priority"
>>55246682
So what's wrong with gays adopting? Keep in mind that it's perfectly legal to be a single-parent as well.
>>55246682
That's not an argument. If he did say that, then he's just stating facts.
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i wonder if he's opposed to single men adopting little girls
>be 24
>dropped out of college at 20 (became a fine dinning server and making ~$70,000 a year with no degree, so not a failure)
>kinda planning to go back to school from ages 26-30
>hesitant because of all this pedestrian, tier 1 liberal/progressive wankery that will be taken entirely unironically
>kinda tempted to go just to absolutely wipe the floor with everyone due to five years of alt-right/alt-conservative/dark enlightenment inundation/conditioning
would it be worth it or are universities so far gone than controversial discussion is off the table?
>>55246690
I think some people still believe you can teach someone to be gay by being gay and existing near that someone. So if gays adopt, their kid becomes gay. As these people also tend to believe that being gay is a bad thing, they don't want this to happen.
I should note that I don't really know any anti gay bigots, so the paragraph above could be way off base.
>>55246697
This is true though.
You don't think that having two homosexual (especially flamboyant) parents has a unique effect on personality development and the socialisation profess?
>>55246696
>be 24
>still thinks conservatism and liberalism are reliable ways of thinking about the world
When will people realize that Freethought is the only logical way to approach the world and every individual case should be judged individually
>>55246696
Where you at?
>>55246696
depends upon degree
with the way the economy is now, you're better off at a trade school/taking trucking/welding at a college and I doubt there will be many liberals there.
Unless you go to a super-liberal college, you won't even hear a thing about safe-spaces or consent classes unless you choose to seek it out or take sociology classes. Maybe a flyer on a bulletin board or feminist bake sales. Plenty of college-age kids hate this shit.
>>55246698
>personality = sexuality
>>55246698
I doubt it'd change sexual orientation, but why change the way the child perceives other subjects. Also, no guarantee the homo-parents would be flamboyant.
>>55246698
Nope. As long as they're loving parents who aren't abusive their is no way to make someone gay. Not even ballet classes.
>>55246699
because thats not how reality works. only 10% of a population needs to hold a strong believe to convince the other 90%
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>>55246707
well then why are 90% of the population retards?
can someone really be convinced of someones argument simply because that person believes it so strongly, even if it may be wrong?
i just dont even give a shit anymore. i'll say whatever the group consensus is in real life. depends on which group im with
>>55246705
yea i agree. it wouldnt change their sexuality but it would make them fucking weird. imagine a straight boy raised by two flaming fags that act like richard simmons. he'd be straight but he'd be raised to like musicals and madonna dn lady gaga and he'd watch rupaul's drag race on tv with them. he'd be a straight guy with a gay-ass personality and would have trouble fitting in. hopefully he'd be smart enough to rebel against them as he got older, or else he's fucked
>>55246696
>wipe the floor with everyone
I wonder how many times you've run this pathetic fantasy through your head? There are plenty of people over the age of 22 in college, many of whom are still "liberal" and probably smarter than you. Most people under that age don't give a fuck about politics anyways.
Why don't you do the world a favor and continue wiping the floor at your restaurant.
I'm sick of this cancer
meme 'comedy' news shows are pure trash
I'll watch Vice and stuff even if it's super liberal because it's actually decent
stop viraling this trash
>>55246712
Is that Rachel Maddow?
>>55246711
>He's be Straight
>Like Musicals
>Like Lady Gaga
>Have Trouble Fitting In
this is me
>>55246696
Yea, you definitely should spend ~$200,000 in tuition so you can win arguments with children.
>>55246696
>making ~$70,000 a year with no degree, so not a failure
You just had to add that bit in, didn't you? You fucking failure.
>it's 1615 and people are still opposed to burning witches at the stake! I mean come on its 1615!
>>55246690
Literally all gay men are closet paedophiles
>>55246715
low test? do you like skinny girls or curvy chubby girls more?
>>55246719
no, or else you would see way more gay couple where one of them looks like a total clean-shaven skinny twink.
>>55246721
That's pretty common
>>55246722
it's common but its not the norm. if all of them were pedos it would be the norm.
>>55246723
But they are all pedos
Come on, people.
IT'S 2015!
>>55246724
prove it
>>55246682
this whole gay married couples adopting babies is a first world problem, and it would be funny to watch whole generation of fucked up children when they grow up, all liberal, sexually confused and shit, they would be a fine bunch to observe.
It would be a great idea if USA is on moon and one country being rich is not in pure correlation of some other country being more poor(geodynamics of global trade rules), be it by war, trade or whatever other mean.
Yet, US is surrounded by south with one of the biggest crime organisation in the world, they do have technology, power and money to actually start a war with a huge country(also mentality of those people is:"As long as Im alive today, its ok.."
Then you have your Pakis(with nuclear weaponry),India(also),Russia(with mandatory 2 year service in army), whole biggest religion has a huge hard on on USA(some are hiding it better, some are outright ISISIL, but they all if given opportunity would fuck up US big time), also that tiny little China and lets not forget that when Saudis will clean all their natural Oil reserves they will have huge poppycock fields, great distribution centers already made, shitload of money,weapon and people who can survive anything, they are so fucked up by US foreign policies in last 50 years, they can basically take anything(even strap themselves with a bunch of C4 and blow themselves up anywhere needed).
Basically, world is a harsh place,really,really harsh and being on giving side if beting stick for so long made you a bunch of enemies, and if there was ever a time to breed hardy, decisive and disciplined men, it is now.
You wont have time to contemplate about being, trans-gen,lost love, poetry and Broadway musicale.
You are fucked US, everyone can see it except you and this comes from the guy who actually thinks US is still the greatest country on the planet and most other countries should take some(not all) ideas into their respective Constitutions..
>>55246682
Why does anyone care?
there is a very high correlation between homosexuality and drug use, STDs, and pedophilia.
They are not healthy, or mentally healthy individuals, and this can be demonstrated even if you believe they deserve the same rights as others, or whatever reasoning you've decided is more important than the safety of children
>>55246729
a higher correlation with pedophilia i can agree with. trannies are even more fucked up.
>>55246729
>Most men in prison are straight
>Therefore all straight men are criminals
This is what you sound like.
Gays compose a small fraction of the world's population.
Of that fraction, a far smaller fraction has any intention of getting married.
Of the ones who might get married, a small fraction wants to adopt and a large fraction will divorce within 10 years.
Why is this one of the main subjects underlying presidential elections, for instance? It's an insignificant issue. The whole noise is made more because leftists want to attack traditional values than actually giving a flying fuck about gays getting married.
By the way I'm not against it. I don't give a fuck. People should be discussing things that actually matter like economics and security.
>>55246731
do you just want to hear the word 'logical fallacy'
do you enjoy it when someone types that out
or are there people here dumb enough to accept that fallacy? serious question
Why does everyone in this thread have an 'unknown' flag?
>>55246805
Lol wtf, i see it too.
That gook is doing something.
>>55246805
>>55246818
Threads was made on /tv/, mods moved it here just a moment ago.
OH MY GOD
>>55246805
thread has been moved from /tv/ to here.
[opinion] + "it's 2015!" is a /tv/ meme.
nice feature, thank you based hiroshima.
>>55246872
Oh right. Thank you, non-shitposting Australian.
Posting in ayy lmao thread
>>>>>/tv/62542477
le based mods face!
>>55246684
No it isn't. He doesn't claim that it's a right because it's modern. He has reasons why the modern approach to homosexuality is right and then proceeds to say that in 2015 some people haven't even realized this. I don't hate or like John Oliver but holy shit at least try to be correct when you try to point out logical fallacies.
>>55246682
>You gotta support it because it's the hip thing to do this year
Most certainly not. He has no reasoning.
>>55246696
>dark enlightenment inundation
Haha, i sincerely hope you actually spout off shit like that IRL, you colossal wanker.
>>55246682
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/because-its-2015-is-not-a-strong-line-of-argument/
>>55246682
? flag? is it just a bug?
>>55246732
There are more than 400,000 children being raised in gay households in the United States. That's roughly the same size as the Transgender population, and you never hear about them right?
>>55246682
fuck off ayy lmaos
>>55246682
>I HATE THE STANDARDS SOCIETY FORCES ON US
>ITS JUST A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT I DONT NEED TO FOLLOW IT
....
>OMG ITS 2015 AND THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO DONT AGREE WITH WHAT THE MAJORITY BELIEVES
>>55249262
Source?
>>55246690
>>55246682
go back to /trash/
>>55246682
How did someone with a face like that get into television? He makes Rowan Atkinson look like a male model.
>>55246872
holy shit they can do that now?
Could they have always done that or is this a new thing?
>>55246682
It's 2015 mang you know ... we gona' kill op .. it's 2015 bro!
>>55246686
>how do your children pay for their HBO subscription?
#REKT
>>55246712
>liberals
>smarter than anyone
pick one. liberals are all sub 100 iq morons, this is objective scientific fact.
this will come in handy for my flag collection
It's 2015 and women aren't fighting for the privilege of riding my cock. I mean, come on! It's 2015!
>>55249622
I think they could, but never did and simply banned/warned people.
>>55246697
I think it's not so much that being gay is "transmissible", but that being gay is awkward as fuck and who'd want to be born in a family made of two daddies that have to fight all their lifes just to get the treatment that 95% other people just get effortlessly.
Is 2015 simply part of an exponential scale of gayness? What is 2020 going to be like?
> hey guys can we stop discriminating against homosexuals based on stereotypes and a book written thousands of years ago? Why should progress and justice be held back by ancient customs in 2015?
> LOL GUYS HE SAID JUST BECAUSE ITS 2015 WE SHOULD LET FAGS BUTTFUCK CHILDREN! KEKOLD! KEKOLD! HE CAN'T FORM A REAL ARGUMENT! WHO CARES WHAT THE CURRENT YEAR IS RIGHT GUYS XD
you're all fuckin stupid
It's a fallacy called argumentum ad currentyearum. I wouldn't take him seriously.
>2015
using a date system based on a fictional character unironically
>>55249812
People will stop caring now that gay marriage is here. Most people already have, it's just the SJ W crowd that keeps up this "gays are commonly attacked in the Western world by non-Muslims" myth.
I think by 2020 it will no longer be a political issue and we can just move the fuck on
What the fuck
I made this thread on /tv/ ... and I see it on /pol/ with a "?" flag
First time ever I see this
>>55246719
>>55246724
>>55249530
> "According to the American Psychological Association, "homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are"."
> "Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation's leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men".
> "Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found, as Herek notes, that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships."
source: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/10-anti-gay-myths-debunked
>>55248441
Any1 who uses the term dark enlightenment or red pill to signal special snowflake edge status needs to be shot.
Most Liberals know everything that we know. They reject it because its "immoral"
>>55246682
What's wrong with the flags? Why do I see only unknown flags? Is it just me?
are you guys serious? i know there's a lot of people who share these "views", but he could not more obviously be a clown without dressing like one.
>>55246682
>muh linear-time progressivist myth stolen from Hebrew-Christian eschatology
>muh corrosive sexual fetishes
>>55250765
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756
>...the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.
Someone post the comic
>>55246682
IT IS THE CURRENT YEAR!
I MEAN COME ON AMERICA...
>>55251160
I see. Thanks
>>55251425
Is the study in the image the one in this Wikipedia article?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Family_Structures_Study
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>>55250595
Why you do this slav ,-, this was /pol/ thread from the get go
>>55251596
It is. It was mostly criticized because it didnt have the agenda they wanted.
>>55250765
>splcenter
Nice source you got there
>>55246682
how did u get the unkown flag?
>tfw 2015 is almost over and liberals can no longer argue like this
>>55252123
>yfw John Oliver does a 180 and goes full conservative once 2016 begins
why is everyone in this thread unknown
>>55246682
>I mean come on it's 2015
I'm not here to weigh in on the other stuff he said, but what is it with this horrible argument that liberals are so fond of? If the only defense you can find to back up your opinion is that its the current year, your argument sucks and likely your opinions do too.
I also don't understand how John Oliver got so popular. He just appears to be a much more liberal and less funny Stephan Colbert that pushes bad opinions.
>>55246732
It's a distraction from everything else that is going on in the world and the liberals are falling for it. This is mainly happening because people think the gay population is much bigger then it actually is, so they think they are helping a ton of people when in reality they are helping less then 2% of the population.
WHAT THE FUCK
>>55251425
Nutritional hate facts, I can't take the time to digest them. They're not vegan.
Bump.
it is not the first I see the unknown flag anyway
Ayyy lmao?
>>55252103
Surf on the Seafood Islands.
>>55251350
God damn, I would discuss the current year with her any day of the week
might be the rarest flag in my collection with pic related
>>55246682
Looks like the handful of anti-gay studies that keep popping up on here are outliers.
http://www.goldencradle.org/how-do-children-same-sex-adoption-fare
>>55246683
I refuse to believe you.
>>55246682
>>55254923
Additionally, gay parents are adopting unwanted kids from some hetero breeders. This in itself can lead to a host of psychological problems different from those raised by their own biological parents.
We need statistics based on heterosexual ADOPTERS vs homosexual ADOPTERS, not simply parents vs parents
What is a British guy doing on TV criticizing America anyways? Not enough speed cameras, child porn, muslims and porn filters back home to report about?
>>55255146
Wait that guy in the OP's picture is a Brit?
He looks like President Hollande.
>>55255227
>>55246682
Being that it's 2015, shouldn't he be able to get those fucking terrible teeth fixed?
>>55255327
What's wrong with them?
>>55255368
>>55255327
You can easily tell by his teeth that he is Brit, lol
>>55246725
Look how happy he is in the first photo though.
>>55255496
>>55255423
But what's wrong with them exactly?
>>55255587
They're crooked and yellow
>>55255327
>>55255327
Wow they're really nice
WHERES MY COUNTRY GONE?
>>55252056
it's not research done by the SPLC, fucktard
it's research done by people who actually know shit, compiled in one place by SPLC
>>55246682
Wait until europe and americas are caliphates. You will see them saying: c'mon, it's 2035 why aren't you sharia?
>>55251243
if you would fucking READ your source
>"This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children."
>>55246682
>in need of spreading his idea across, sees that America is the most significant country with the highest opportunity to do so
>comes to America to start up his own comedy show and make a living for himself
>spends years shitting on the country that provided for him and making tons of money doing so
This is a perfect allegory for how the world is like today. When people need us, they are all arms; but when the necessity stops they start to shit on us because they can't stand the fact that they are living in a world that we for the most part dictate.
>>55255971
>This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.
>>55246682
He has the worst teeth I've ever seen. He is literally a fucking stereotype.
>>55246682
WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH ALL THE UNKNOWN FLAGS?! ARE YOU ALL ON THE SAME OIL RIG?
What is happening in this thread? How are there so many unknown flags.
>>55256542
and why don't they have IDs?
Reminder: If you support more children being in hands of the state rather than people you don't like because of feels you're a statist.
>>55246690
Single parents and gays should be considered second class citizens in the adoption process because of evidence suggesting it is more likely the child will be abused or neglected.
well, it turned out to be fine in many cases, post some sauce on your studies folks.
but yeah, there's something iffy about not being breastfed, or when your masculine role model has an i-want-to-talk-to-the-manager-haircut dragon lady.
i mean, if you're going to be in a homosexual relationship, it should be obvious you can't draw blood from a stone, so how are children part of a the homosexual mating narrative?
i mean some people adopt kids and that's fine, rarely is though, and sometimes those people are gay.
i still think it is in some way potentially damaging at worst, and at the least unwholesome, but less so then say being an orphan.
I guess all i can say is Welcome to my collection unknown flag
>>55256588
Reminder: If you support more children being in the hands of the mentally ill, denying them normal lives you're cunt
>stating the current year
>a line of reasoning
>>55257418
Why would they not be normal if they had gay parents?
>>55250349
>this is my argument look at how calm and reasonable I sound
>THIS YOUR UR ARGUMENT XDDD TYPE SHIT IN CAPS ALL DAY LOL FUCKING GONNA MURDER AND RAPE PEOPLE THIS IS NOT A FALLACY
>>55257724
there is no substantive argument here to argue against
"MUH CURRENT YEAR" is a meme
you don't want human rights, you don't want equal protection under the law, and you want to keep following antiquated customs that hold back society
>>55258016
>all these assumptions without actual evidence of my views at all
baka desu senpai
>>55258053
it might not be your personal views, but they are views common on this board
a large population of this board hates jews, blacks, muslims, gays, ect
when people say "Hey, hasn't enough time passed that we can move beyond this, and not discriminate against people anymore", the legion of fuckwits yells "MUH CURRENT YEAR! MUH CURRENT YEAR!"
My master, Lord Soros the Great, bids thee welcome!
Is there any in this thread with authority to treat with me?
>>55246682
No, his line of reasoning is not justified.
It has been discredited as a historical approach for over a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history
>2015
>Using Whig history
COME ON! IT'S 2015!
>>55249656
everyone that is a liberal isn't as smart as me!!!!
fucking Americans always
>>55246683
yeah i googled it and i got 3 results, all from 4chan. so i don't think it's a quote.
>anti-abortion
>anti-adoption for gays
This is like the one thing gays are useful for in nature, what do you want those unwanted babies living for?
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>>55255639
They aren't even yellow, they're Gray. Do you Brits even brush your teeth? I havent been to the dentist in years but my teeth look 100 times better than his because I actually clean them.
>>55255327
>letting a guy that can't even take care of his own teeth shape your political opinion
>>55261481
You would think that in *current year* he could find someone to fix his teeth.
