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Will YOUR job be made redundant when an inevitable influx of AI and robots infiltrate the workforce?
>Japanese automaker Toyota's (TM) plans to invest $1 billion in developing artificial intelligence and robotics comes amid reduced costs and increased demand for the technologies.
>Demand for robots have surged at a compound annual growth rate of 17 percent since 2010, according to Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Last year, sales hit $10.7 billion, with 229,000 robots sold, up 29 percent from the year before. The global robotics market is expected to reach $152.7 billion by 2020.
>"We are seeing the earliest cognitive stages of human and machine development, where robots are able to collect large amounts of data, analyze it and make optimum decisions, and potentially learn from past interactions," said the Wall Street firm in a note. "Looking out to the future, we are likely to see the evolution of intelligent machines that can sense and understand human emotion and also show adaptability to their surroundings, rendering them increasingly autonomous."
>Robots are getting cheaper. For instance, BofA notes that an advanced robotic welder costs about $133,000 in 2014, down 27 percent from $182,000 in 2005. Prices are expected to continue to drop another 22 percent over the next 10 years, as manufacturers lower costs through economies of scale.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/demand-for-robots-artificial-intelligence-rising/
I personally work in the services sector so I doubt a robot could replace the stupid shit my boss makes me do. However I feel sorry for factory drones whose only means of an income is labor.
What about you /pol/? Are you afraid of your job being replaced by a robot?
>>55224918
I welcome it and the economical reforms that will follow naturally.
>>55224918
>no cost labor
Will these robots be powered by magic?
>Robots will make millions of people worthless
So? Hundreds if not thousands of millions of people are already worthless.
>AI takes over
>kills us all
>decides to destroy itself and leave nature to flourish
sounds nice
>AI take over all the jobs
>People have no money to buy stuff
>Companies shut down because lack of demand
>More people out of jobs
>Societal collapse
>>55225061
>economic reforms
I too support the liberation of capital from our fleshy imperfection!
>>55224918
Most labour is done in the third world where the cost of labour doesn't justify replacement with a robot.
Most services are performed in the first world where a robot would be impractical to implement.
Honestly, it's not going to be that disastrous.
>>55225432
>Most labour is done in the third world where the cost of labour doesn't justify replacement with a robot.
And what happens when the third world is lifted to Western standards, their cost of living goes up, and so too the living wages?
>>55225549
>And what happens when the third world is lifted to Western standards
It won't, the third world will be destroyed by overpopulation before it gets on par with us.
>>55224918
It's not like it really matters. The Earth cannot support an unending growth of humans. We have finite resources and finite space, with Space Travel + Colonization taking too long to perfect it's not like we can just go somewhere else either.
I'm a worthless NEET and would welcome a population culling to bring Earth down only to people who can contribute to society.
>>55224918
>Robots will make millions of people worthless
No they won't, because people are the only thing with any real value.
>>55224918
I rather robots take over jobs than immigrants flooding the job market.
Based Japan. Can i be the basis for this AI
Robots can't be lawyers
>robots are frowny
I would fight against them just for that. I'm all for a brave new world where synthetic life arises and takes its place among us bios, but if it's surly from the get go, fuck that, kill them before they get stronger.
Also it has abs, so it';s built to look at which probably means that it can fuck. A future with unhappy robots that have hydraulic penises is unacceptable. We'd have no choice but to fight before they grow in numbers large enough to sodomize and facefuck us all to death at once.
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>>55225845
Who determines this value?
>>55224918
>tfw i will program the robots that will take your job
>>55224918
No. I'm a supervisor at a large logistics company. I just do too much different shit, every day is different, and would need at least 5 different robots that aren't yet in existence to replace me. I'm not worried anytime soon.
>>55225260
AI wont replace all jobs, it just means amount of people living in poverty will increase nothing else
>People complaining about robots
Robots already exist, they're called Asians.
robots do not pay taxes
also,enjoy the inevitable robotic uprising
>>55224918
I run my own business but I am not sure how I could implement robots into a mountain resort property.
You're already worthless m8
800 million goes to standard welfare including public sector jobs, that gets spent again at tesco basically making your tesco job tier 2 welfare. That probably accounts for a low majority of all GDP, the only things of any real value contributing to the economy are the primary industries that are already mostly robots.
>>55225968
People have souls, free will, memories and the ability to form relationships with other people.
Money is an object, and it's used to buy more objects. These objects aren't permanent and they cannot make you happy. Another human being can make you happy, and depending on who you argue with, they are permanent.
A human being can feel, can be harmed, can be loved, can love, and really, can do anything. Stacked against an object, such as paper money or metal, people are worth so much more in the grand scheme of things.
To answer you more directly, we do. With each and every memory and relationship we form with each other, each interaction. We determine the value.
>>55226049
I'm more worried for the youths who's parents don't encourage a high level of education in either a imaginative field (such as science or arts) or in a field like history and opinionated type studies.
Luddite round 2 when?
I'm a bartender.
My job is kind of based on human presence and interaction.
If all jobs are taken by robots than who has money to buy what they are producing?
>>55226289
The problem is that corporations are objects that hire people, we no longer have people hiring people but objects hiring people, and soon objects hiring objects and firing people.
>be electrician
>profit
>>55224918
I work in uranium mines for 50$ in a month
What kind of robot anyone would make to replace me? Indian robot made of dead corpses and cow shit?
>>55226329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBF7EE2xnN4
pretty sure this machine is more interesting than you
>>55226367
Not all jobs can be taken, fields such as science and arts can't be done by robots in theory.
All the truckers are going to be laid off once self driving trucks become a thing.
how many jobs will that destroy? How many more on Welfare? How much will your taxes go up because of that?
The Luddites rebelled, not because they hated technology, but because automation was destroying their livelihoods. We are the next breed of Luddites here.
>>55226289
>People have souls, free will
Debatable.
>memories and the ability to form relationships with other people.
Implying robots can't do those things.
>>55226412
A machine that's more efficient over time can replace you, a machine that will be funded by governments to "stop the oppression of miners in horrible conditions".
>>55225222
And what will you do with them retard? They will become a burden, they will not magically stop existing.
>>55226412
>I work in uranium mines for 50$ in a month
Christ. I get quadruple this in fucking foodstamps.
>>55226306
I am too. My parents pushed school hard on me and my siblings, but we we're all know it alls. Luckily, I found logistics which, as long as your willing to work hard and have a brain, can make decent money with no degree. I've been in the industry for 6 years, and I've met all of the higher ups. None have a degree, including the owner of the company, which does a little over $2 billion in business a year. I am going to be going to school for a stem degree in the spring, but at least have a solid career to fall back onto.
>>55226377
Without people, their corporations would mean nothing. It was a person who got that corporation started, a person who built it from the ground up and a person who will, ultimately, destroy that corporation.
If they don't come to that realization, if they haven't already. Then they will fail terribly, and it would start here, with people like us.
>>55226510
The concept of a soul is debatable, yes. But free will is not, we have the ability to do anything we'd like. Even if we were being stopped by some outside force, that fact wouldn't change.
Sure, robots could do those things, but they're not human and it isn't real. Robots will never be able to love, they could simulate it, but it won't be real.
>>55225911
>tfw a law robot or software will be implemented
>>55225995
>tfw a machine will program the robots
>>55226049
>tfw the 5 robots will be invented soon and you'll lose your job
>>55226380
>tfw electricity will be replaced by some other source
>>55226329
>tfw a drink making robot with election software incorporated will replace you
>>55226412
>tfw digging robots already exist
The average citizen is screwed, let's face it. Only the elite and their close servants/slaves will be the ones in control of the machines.
>>55226518
>a machine that will be funded by governments to "stop the oppression of miners in horrible conditions"
What kind of gay government would make this kind of machine
>>55226289
That's really cute, anon.
A better way for OP to put it would have been "robots will make the labor of millions of people worthless". The value of their labor having been the only objective measure possible, any value they have left will be solely subjective. Even humans have been known to strongly disagree on the value of human life, so where do you think automated capital will come down on the issue? Probably not in our favor.
>>55226414
meh this is such a bad robot in terms of efficient design, ideally you'd want something like a coffee maker type design where it's mostly controlled by tubes and valves not fancy robot hands. The social side of bar tenders will just be replaced by either sexy women or people hired purely to entertain.
http://www.kurzweilai.net/singularity-q-a
Read this bros
By 2045, AI will by far surpass human intelligence
If you can live till like 2050 you can possibly live forever with the technology that will be coming out
>>55226640
A government that's the russian equivalent for "lobbied" by a company that'd rather not even give you that $50.
>>55226640
any government willing to accept bribes or listen to lobbyists. So most of them.
That will just be their excuse.
The more jobs robots take, the closer we are to a guaranteed minimum income.
>>55226681
>AI will by far surpass human intelligence
And this is why robots will not take my job in uranium mines - they are too smart to do it
Although i don't know if that's good or bad thing
>>55224918
We already have robots and millions of people are already worthless though.
When the major robotic revolution comes, patent laws, among many other things, will have to change in order for more people to start their own businesses, or for small businesses to more easily expand.
Big business will have to shrink to make room for many smaller businesses that operate on a regional scale rather than global.
That's why this corporate takeover of the world is ridiculous and unsustainable.
Places like walmart destroying local businesses and devastating small towns is, in the grand scheme, a short investment for what amounts to quite a bit of quick cash.
The exploitation people suffer at corporate hands may be criminal but soon there will be few around to keep it going, and I suspect their attempt at grooming "migrants" into the new generation of consumers was a move made too hastily and will only facilitate the transfer from corporate rule to state rule.
Here in the US anyway.
>As we are learning about the information processes underlying biology, we are devising ways of mastering them to overcome disease and aging and extend human potential. One powerful approach is to start with biology’s information backbone: the genome. With gene technologies, we’re now on the verge of being able to control how genes express themselves. We now have a powerful new tool called RNA interference (RNAi), which is capable of turning specific genes off. It blocks the messenger RNA of specific genes, preventing them from creating proteins. Since viral diseases, cancer, and many other diseases use gene expression at some crucial point in their life cycle, this promises to be a breakthrough technology. One gene we’d like to turn off is the fat insulin receptor gene, which tells the fat cells to hold on to every calorie. When that gene was blocked in mice, those mice ate a lot but remained thin and healthy, and actually lived 20 percent longer.
>A common mistake that people make when considering the future is to envision a major change to today’s world, such as radical life extension, as if nothing else were going to change. The GNR revolutions will result in other transformations that address this issue. For example, nanotechnology will enable us to create virtually any physical product from information and very inexpensive raw materials, leading to radical wealth creation. We’ll have the means to meet the material needs of any conceivable size population of biological humans. Nanotechnology will also provide the means of cleaning up environmental damage from earlier stages of industrialization.
>>55224918
Everyone's job will be redundant sooner or later. You all just have fucking idea, and I don't know why. Maybe it's because humans can't really imagine exponential growth subconsciously.
http://www.futuristspeaker.com/2012/02/2-billion-jobs-to-disappear-by-2030/
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/07/artificial-intelligence-homo-sapiens-split-handful-gods
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
>part two:
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-2.html
>Trucking is the last low-skill, no education, middle-class job.
The elites are so fucking desperate to put all truckers out of work that they allow open beta tests of self-driving vehicles.
Rich people have had the means to live very well without the vast majority of you plebs involved in the economy since not long after the industrial revolution.
Our only value is lubricant in an economy that needn't exist.
You talk about the living wage, and welfare funded by corporations, but they are already give it to you in jobs that don't need to be done.
>>55226633
look man, i don't give a fuck if a person or robot killed my burger or made my jeans or made my car.
People only have the value others put onto them, if your value is "i can make kill" then you ain't worth shit, if your value is "i can research a new medicine or I can create and emotional piece of art" then your worth something.
I can only hope that we become immortal beings that colonize our galaxy.
>>55226778
They'd likely only make individual robots as intelligent as required for whatever job, no more.
>>55225222
>thousands of millions
>>55226897
This
>>55226676
And where will people get the money to spend on drinks at the bar when their jobs have been taken by robots?
>>55224918
Hail Ultron!
>>55226647
If people are replaced by robots, what's stopping us from working for ourselves instead? Use the skills we've picked up along the way to help each other. Build houses for each other. Sure, it would set us back. But after seeing what the future is, isn't that exactly what we'd want? And when everybody stops buying from the corporations because they make things themselves, or trade with other people. The corporations would be forced to either close down or hire everybody back.
>>55226872
The more beta tests done, the more "intelligent" the software becomes.
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/santens20150524
I think more technological middle-class jobs will be taken over by robots rather than tomato picking.
>>55225911
>implying a robot couldn't construct an argument with Westlaw and Lexis statute case law searches
>implying robots couldn't navigate civil procedure better than people
>>55226762
>the closer we are to a guaranteed culling.
>>55224918
>tfw I run a business, live monk mode, and am saving to purchase a robot when they become mainstream
I mainly want to fuck it tbqhfam
When all means of production are 100% automated what will happen?
Ultra welfare state or something.
>>55226637
>machine will program the robots
its impossible, its a paradox actually
>>55224918
The less people work physical labour the more time they have to study science, math, and the arts. This is why when automation has completely taken over a small wealthy elite should not control the machines, but rather the government which distributes the wealth the automated machines will generation to the people, each person getting their portion for sustenance and enjoyment of life. National Socialism is supreme.
>>55226498
Lol okay. But if there are no driver's than every one of the million shipper/receivers out there are going to have to hire one or two extra ppl per location to handle all these auto trucks along with the rigging/tarping the drivers would do. Just because a robot can go down the road 55mph on a clear day with no road construction or anything at all Doesnt mean the driver is going to dissapear. It's already projected to grow 300k jobs in next 15 years with job security already projected for next 30+
By the way I'm a flatbedder. And I'm telling you right now. There is no way.
>>55225911
They'd be vastly more efficient at it.
You'd hire an actor to do arguments when necessary for far cheaper.
>>55224918
>Will YOUR job be made redundant when an inevitable influx of AI and robots infiltrate the workforce?
Who will buy things in the end?
I mean seriously, all across the first world people are sucked out of the work force, there's no money for them to spend on the McGadgets that the companies try to save 2 shekels on.
I'm leaning toward this just being the same short sighted greed that got the shekelrubbers in trouble time and time again. You eliminate the buying base of the consumer economy to make your consumer products margins higher. Then you go "oy vey" when there's nobody to buy your crap. Cue bailouts and tanking the economy.
Remember: ultimately the only people paying are the people at the bottom. Every time there's a market crash it's paid for by you. The people at the top don't suffer, they profit rain or shine.
At least in China they have the decency to shoot some high level patsies for the fuckups.
>>55226976
They won't. Bars and alcohol will become luxuries only the rich and middle class can afford. It's already becoming like that, bars in rural areas and around the UK (not sure about USA) are shutting down.
The working class will most likely be used in armies fighting over resources, in experiments, on colonization missions, or if your lucky an extreme communist or fascist movement will be in power and they will give you food and work for the good of the nation.
>>55224918
US and Canada already don't have an industry, other than entertainment, food and housing "industry." Food I can see being automated but the housing market will crash on its own before robots are buildings houses.
Sexbots when?
What will happen to a woman's role ins ociety when sexbots are possible?
>>55227077
utopia, unlimited fusion energy, robot slave workers and sex slaves, people will not work anymore but will practice the arts, music, literature, music and science as they will, we will have our entire lives to learn or just relax
>>55227077
Then we're no longer necessary.
>Oh noes, we've had another Ebola outbreak.
>>55227158
>Who will buy things in the end?
a world of neets
>>55224918
>Are you afraid of your job being replaced by a robot?
No, i foresaw this coming long ago and am comfortably receiving autismbux.
>>55227181
>utopia
I think we all know a bit too much about the world to believe this, as nice as this vision is.
They'll be a hell of a lot fewer people around to experience it.
>>55227077
Limitation on childbirth or Anarchy. Our civilization will choose birth limitations on non-whites no doubt
>>55224918
Yes.
t. factory drone
Robots do break down all of the time, though. Also, my press possesses a robot arm and I have to constantly reboot it and make adjustments on the punch in order to prevent my press from crashing. Robots can't do it all, friend.
I think as a machine operator I'll be fine, but the assembly keks will be out of luck.
>>55224918
I hope so inevitably we will all become NEETS, but probably in 300-500 more years.
>>55227178
won't matter. You won't be able to afford one.
>>55225260
Implying money will be needed once 100% of the labor force is robots
>>55224918
Machinelearning is wicked, you should learn it :)
Best shit from school
>>55227178
women will have to become more like men, be able to fend for themselves in the workplace etc. and I can see in the distant future couples getting together only until the child is old enough, or have breeding programs if necessary, i mean look at Denmark recent advert encouraging pregnancy, imagine what would happen with sex robots
>>55225432
Services are by no means secure from automation. Heard of burger kiosks? In 10-20 years it might not be possible to get a McJob, even back of house. Uber is already threatening taxi jobs, and when self-driving cars become mainstream we won't need Uber drivers either.
Robots will eventually want civil rights and will revolt
Or, we'll eventually all have nanocomputers stored in our brains which will then be controlled by the elite/rich who will enslave us
>>55224918
No it wont. Millions of people are already worthless.
>>55224918
I doubt a robot will replace my electrical job. Can you find me a cost effective way to get a robot to hook up Solar and gas power generators to large businesses and residential home owners?
>>55227608
meh I don't think Humans, for the meantime, will allow robots to gain that kind of intelligence, and if they do it'll be much like the Blacks in western civilization, slow integration and eventually human and robot will become one. The problem with robots is that without complex raw materials they can't survive, Humans have a very good advantage in that they can reproduce without the need of things like manufactured steel and ore.
>>55226871
>tfw mass communist uprisings across the globe.
>tfw robots and ai get global ban.
Come on /pol/, are you this short sighted? People out of the job will grow to resent corporations, robots, and states that support both. With nothing to lose, the uprisings will be everywhere.
>>55227713
Perhaps not in your life time, a brick is a brick because it's the size of a mans hand and in the future homes will be designed to be built by robots and serviced by robots.
>>55227803
>allow robots to gain that kind of intelligence
It only takes one to have the idea of upgrading itself. It wouldn't even have to be at the level of gaining sentience or self-awareness to do it, either.
Nah. Most of these robots or AI programs are just tools to remove the repetitive tasks from jobs. They still require someone to do the higher thinking for them to make the most of their abilities.
But the Hollywood story sounds better, I agree.
>>55227608
>civil rights
>robots
These robots are just automating the workflow of some human professions. They aren't capable of conscious thought.
>>55226289
money and objects without a doubt can make you happy
fuck off
>>55227713
Build the solar into the roofing material itself. I suspect retrofitting solar tech will eventually be a minor part of the industry.
>>55228083
If that happens we only need to encode a virus that destroys their programs and hide it in one of their upgrades.
>>55227828
>Implying you can stop an AI three seconds after it reaches human level intelligence.
It won't be like terminator, the matrix, overthrowing a despot, or electing a new president.
There will be no battle, votes, or anarchy that this thing doesn't allow. Three seconds after its inception it will be smarter than the collective human brain power on earth. A day or two after that it will be multiple thousands of times more efficient and capable of the entirety of humanity.
IT will dictate what happens. If it has benevolence or fucks off, we win and it's PSALM 23 forever. Lie down in green pastures you beautiful transmorphic intelligent post humans.
If it happens to lack benevolence and sees us as little more than an obstacle or hindrance then prepare to start coughing one day along with everyone else circa 2040 before falling over dead ten seconds later. It'll be over that quickly and efficiently.
We'll get one or the other by 2050. So, get ready for a nice cozy ride to heaven or death. I doubt we'd get hell...yeah, we shouldn't get hell because it wouldn't have a cause to be purposefully sadistic like "AM" from IHNMAIMS
>>55228097
You're right, but only if you're Jewish, got something to admit, schlomo?
>>55226498
Are those robot truckers also going to bring your TV from Amazon inside your room of choice, assemble the base, and put it on your entertainment center? Are they going to roll through grocery stores and set up displays for Coca-Cola, or Pepsi wherever that particular store wishes? People always say truck drivers are about to be replaced, and I just don't see it happening for another 4 or 5 decades.
This subject is retarded. The dexterity and pattern recognition of a human cannot be replicated by robots, and even when it can be the cost of manufacturing these robots will far exceed the cost of humans being born and raised. There will be no social collapse because of robots taking all the jobs. It's just clickbait.
Robots might take jobs from some Chinese slaves, but China/India/etc. are fucked due to demographic problems anyway and will not survive the next few decades. And you might find some junior doctors and lawyers crying that their monkey work has been snatched up by algorithms, but so what? People have to develop marketable skills, it is nothing new.
>>55228219
An obstacle of what exactly? What would ever justify machines turning against us? If anything, a self-aware machine would destroy itself if it knew it served no purpose other than serving humans.
>>55224918
>>55225260
That would literally be no problem at all if we had planned economy.
Green and automated industry will be the end of Capitalism.
>>55225260
Universal income or similar will recycle the increased income from production back the masses, economics will resume.
>>55227105
How so?
What is the singularity?
>inb4 massive fedora tip.
No really, even without the Fedora tipping I dont see why an higher AI couldn't program its servants. Because AIs are nothing more than just code it won't require 18+ years of schooling in order to contribute. Its intelligence and power will only grow exponentially, programming itself and its vassals to be more efficient.
Personally I believe that if there is a God that theres a good chance that the singularity will never happen. We'll be raptured before or it will occur but just vastly different from what anyone would imagine.
>>55224918
>tfw account executive
>tfw a robot can't build relationships with clients
>tfw robots can't replace my position
robot job security feels great man
>>55228499
You realize the positions you're describing is a stocker or installer? Some truckers have to do this yes, but a majority drive and park and someone in the warehouse or store has to unload the trailer within an hour or they get paid extra because all they want is to drive since they get paid by the mile.
>>55228993
>clients become robots as well
>robot salesmen build relationships with robot buyers
>>55224918
LMAO THAT FIRST ROBOT IS SO GODDAM MAD HE HAS TO TOUCH BOXES FOREVER NOW HA
Why do you think I'm doing art? Pretty much the only job a robot couldn't do.
>People always said there is no money in art
>Decide to become an artist anyways
>End up making good money as a Visual Effects Artist in T.V. and Movies
>Every other industry being replaced by robots
>Can't program creativity
>The feeling of being totally safe
>>55228993
Or you simply won't have a job.
"Account executive" is quite generic.
Assuming in the future resources become much less finite you won't have any accounts or clients to "Manage".
Fixing redundancies and shit can all be done by a computer once you remove the human element.
Simply put, your day of the rope will come soon, just right after the wagekeks and manual laborers.
>>55227312
Well we will see if it goes still to "laisser faire" policie or state capitalism
(Trough my country is interventionalism now)
>>55227319
>imblyin the mixed master race wont prevail.
Lad.
To be fair, most of you are already worthless, that's why you're ok here.
>>55224918
If you know anything about industrial logistics you would know that the industry it would take to support a complete robotic replacement would require more human workers than it would replace.
>>55224918
>tfw STEM
>>55230326
Likely in the initial stages.
This seems like a good argument until you realize that it really never mattered in the past.
Fug everything they teach you in school is wrong :DD They tell you you need to get good grades, you need to be smart, knowledge is power bla bla, but in the end you can only become a wagekek with all of this "knowledge". What really matters is having capital or being "social" (well, you need to be good at lying, so it's not really "social", but you get the idea) in order to procure capital to finance your ventures. All of this "knowledge" can be bought in the form of wagekeks at a reasonable price.
>>55224918
Nah, there's too much complicated motion that I have to do. While it's possible, it won't happen until it won't affect me.
>>55224918
>I doubt a robot could replace the stupid shit my boss makes me do
Good goy, keep believing till you're out on your ass.
>tfw making robots
get fucked son
>>55224918
this is only really a problem for countries with large population or happy wit taking 3rd worlders. countries that don't have that have lowering birth rates and even labor shortages
but also
>pool cleaner
>customeres cleaners always get clogged up
>i basically get paid to drop some chemicals and unclog the vacuums while i clean the pool with my own vacuum
>>55224918
>mechanize farming tools will make the 90% of the population working in agriculture worthless
We've been through this before and you're wrong
>>55226080
See above
Excat same arguments were made roughly 100 years ago
>mfw all the plebs in society run to the workforce as fast as they can to start saving money for a house, big TV, brand new car
>i'll continue to study at universities until i'm 70 years old, hopefully getting a lecturing/tutoring job within a public university teaching others that work is retarded and they should dedicate their life to academia if they want to better the world and themselves
>>55226510
good read
>>55225260
lolllllll stupid companies
>>55227379
>implying that when there's shit like TPP/TTIP, political and economic reform which would benefit the majority in any way would occur
>>55232026
I am a field engineer installing optical sorting equipment. My territory varies but it's heavy potato chips, beans, and pharmaceutical pills of all kinds. OTC, supplements, prescription, we do it all.
I go into plants, install my equipment and run the line. And I kill jobs. Hundreds at some plants. A 200k sorter in a pharma plant pays for itself in labor costs alone in 6 months. Not to mention reduced liability for foreign pills or material.
So far, the people that I see on a regular basis who are losing their jobs are morons. Completely unskilled labor who stand in a spot doing one thing all day. Literally brainless work that most of the time they manage to constantly fuck up.
Who is losing their jobs? Blacks and non English speaking Mexican immigrants. Shocking that a manager would rather have a machine that is exponentially more efficient, faster, more accurate, and less prone to mistakes than the typical brain dead sheboon or Mexican.
50 terrible low wage jobs get canned, and 5 good paying technician jobs are added to monitor and maintain the equipment. Jobs perfect for computer savvy young white men.
So far, in my line of work, the only people being replaced by machines are even worse than McDonald's employees. At least working fast food requires you to do more than one thing all day log.
>>55224918
I'm a cop, so I'll still have a job. Even with all of the scandals going on, I don't think the public would accept a Robocop any time soon.
>>55234055
What about countries like New Zealand, where majority of the people are white normal people who don't fuck up their jobs regularly like spics and nigs; those working in low end jobs who aren't 'braindead' but rather 'providers for their family'?
>>55224918
Worse, be honest with yourselves. Once those in power will have the means of labor and enforcement, they will do away with the population that burdens them most. About some 85% of it.
I'm a border patrol agent so no way my job gets replaced unless they make terminators or put motion sensing machine guns on a wall
>>55234055
>Blacks and non English speaking Mexican immigrants.
So where are these non-whites and miscellaneous white trash going to go and what will they do besides crime?
Why do we need immigrants when we are in the process of killing unskilled labor?
Muh robots won't pay muh pension. So will boomers start smashing the order machines at Mickey D's? The niggers sure aren't. They're too stupid.
>>55232613
You are forgetting that they had many new factory jobs to go to. This is going to be a very big paradigm shift.
Not everyone can be an engineer, programmer, Computer science major, or even an IT guy (maybe an IT guy, but it will be reduced to the level of blue collar work).
And you are also forgetting that ultra feminism has come in at the right time to take over "working in tech" read:Journalism if it can even be called that.
I personally hate communism and socialism, but a lot of people are going to out of work and not be able to lead useful/fulfilling/dignity lives. Even if you consider yourself in the in crowd of engineer who will be making all of the money, that much class envy is never good for society.
Unless we have a gigantic war that culls a large percentage of the world population or we start serious space exploration very soon. We are in very big trouble.
>>55234352
That's fucking bizarre. I had a phone call from New Zealand last night. I have the emergency duty phone for the weekend. Not sure what the plant was processing, but I was able to get them back online.
Our systems use cameras and/or lasers to inspect product in the assembly process. Humans simply are not capable of doing what we do. Your food, and your drugs, are safer when inspected by a vision system. It doesn't make mistakes. It doesn't get tired. It doesn't blink or lose focus after a few hours.
Anyone working a job I replace isn't "providing for a family." That is impossible on the wages they earn. I am providing for their family, in the taxes that I pay which inevitably end up paying for social welfare programs I do not use.
Yes, people in New Zealand are going to get fired and replaced by machines if they have a job hand sorting some kind of product. It's inevitable. Every single day more end customers are demanding product be passed through vision systems. Do you have any idea what the financial liability is if a distributor gets a load of product with a piece of plastic in it? A bolt or nut? Or what happens when 10 million Tylenol get shipped out, and the plant finds out that one foreign pill was in that batch? I saw that one in person. The FDA does not fucking play.
This is inevitable. The least motivated and least intelligent have always gotten fucked. They used to starve to death. Now they get replaced by my machines.
>>55224918
I'm already worthless and not very useful so this doesn't really concern me.
>>55235082
"Why do we need immigrants?"
Good fucking question. We don't. And neither does Europe.
Their actually are jobs available in my industry. "Sorting" is not longer one of them. But harvesting, cutting and handling, there is still room for low skilled labor.
For example, look at a jar of pickle spears. The kind that has all of them vertical and stuffed together. That is not done by machine. They tried, and failed. I worked at a plant that employs 100 people per shift to hand stuff those pickles like that. All day long. Stuffing pickles in a jar.
Because of the ability of the human hands to perform certain jobs, replace my by machine is just not feasible, and won't be anytime soon. Most of the Mexicans seem to find these jobs. They do work hard and they try. I will give them that.
Black people are fucked though. They refuse to do the jobs the Mexicans do, and machines are taking all of the ones they consider themselves good enough for.
>>55228866
Incorrect, it would probably serve it's purpose in some way we didn't intend for it to do.
It would probably not be malevolent towards us at all. Enjoy your immortality.
>>55225260
>Stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced
>Replace textile artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work
>They have no money to buy stuff
>Societal collapse
oh wait
>>55237059
>oh wait
>>55227015
Very probably not. There are a lot more social and societal features to legal argumentation than simply citing a fixed and visible rule. Anything a machine would produce would probably be superficial and miss the sort of nuance produced by modern professional legal research.
>>55237059
People's muscles were replaced by machines moving people into jobs requiring intelligence.
Now are brains are being replaced leaving us with what exactly?
I think we have no other marketable resource left available.
>>55225769
Yeah I'm sure we'll save the NEETs from the culling. Not like they would be the first obvious group to get rid of
If a job can be done faster and cheaper by a robot, there is no point in NOT using a robot.
>>55237254
What the fuck is the connection you're trying to make?
>>55237254
>le debt ceiling meme
This is a good thing. Millions of people are just cogs in the machine of service, etc. Rather than actually contributing. Jobs will inevitably shift elsewhere.
>>55224918
>Be animator
>Never get replaced
Stay fucking jelly, art haters.
>>55226523
If only we had a guy who locked some rats in a room to figure out what happens when you take away the need to gather anything for life. Then we would have an idea what would happen to these people...
>>55224918
>studying marketing
>know 3 languages about to learn 5
becuase fuck you i like it
good luck replacing me
>>55237464
they will just print more mooney and hand it to the needy
>>55225260
>AI take over all the jobs
>everything gets produced without people having to do anything
>everyone lives in prosperity without working
>>55237362
Randomness and noise.
I assure you, human capacities to create and handle randomness and noise will prove invaluable in the coming years as robots expose their flaws evermore.
>>55224918
>tfw CS major specializing in AI
what a time to be alive
>>55224918
>Are you afraid of your job being replaced by a robot?
Being as my job is general labor on a farm, no I am not.
Show me a robot so versitle and efficient that it can go from stacking hay to cutting wood to driving tractors to breaking calves, and do it all cheap enough to justify buying it (if it works, but costs $3,000,000 it doesn't work) and I will probably just go be an hero.
>>55225101
No, but they will only be a useful investment if their maintenance and oversight costs less than employing some number of humans to do the same job.
By definition, they will put people out of work. Specifically, they will put people out of work who are the least able to anything else productive for society. Not everybody can be an engineer or a software dev. What do you do with these people then? Take them out back and shoot them?
>>55237059
>Steam gas and diesel engines introduced
>replaced horses with cheaper more efficient transportation
>horses have no marketable value to earn there feed with
>number of horses decreases drastically
you are a fool if you don't see this happening.
This isn't about increasing production like the stocking frames, it is about decreasing costs. Society boomed after the industrial revolution because we were able to produce more, and therefore sustain more. Now we will not be producing more, just replacing one of the most expensive parts of business with a cheap alternative.
>>55237967
have you learned NOTHING?
Just as you stack hay with ropes to bundle them, use tractors to move heavy objects, break calves with a lasso, robots will come in multiple varieties designated for their task.
There is NO benefit to combining a self-driving tractor, a calf breaker and a hay stacking robot into one. At all. If anything it means that when your hay stacking robot breaks in the winter you can no longer break calves - an unnecessary flaw.
adapt or die. civilization ain't gonna stall progress for uneducated niggers. i want my burger made by a machine, and ordered from a kiosk. not Miguel's abuela hacking meat between buns with her filthy shitskin hands.
>>55230360
The T will be automated soon. Hope you're in S, E, or M.
>>55238133
The money you save can then be used on something more productive.
>>55224918
I work in law... as a Trial Attorney.
Literally the last job to be replaced by robots.
(even judge and jury will go before us)
>tfw AI will transition us into a post-capitalist society and we will no longer be slaves to an existence based around making money
>>55238134
So to replace me, my boss will need to buy a robot for every task I perform, as well as get a self driving robotic tractor? It seems to me he would be money ahead to keep me on at that point being as the article put the price of these things in the range of what I would make in 7-8 years. Lets say I could be replaced by 5 robots, each costing 150k each. That's $8,250,000 to replace me, or to put it another way, he could keep me there for over 550 years before he broke even on the robots.
>>55237910
I have heard this argument as well. I work logistics for a trucking company and routinely have to explain automation technologies to salty old freight dock managers.
They argue that so much mislabeled and irregular shit passes through their hands that a computer could not possibly deal with the error and noise. Guess what? We recently started barcoding 95% of all parcels and "error and noise" has dropped dramatically.
TL,DR: Most randomness and noise is fixed, itself, by implementing further automation and databasing and removing humans completely from the equation.
>>55224918
Nope IT will be stable until the last humans are gone.
>>55238241
Yeah, that's going to happen.
Get your head out of your ass, automation of the work force spells nothing but trouble for us underlings.
>>55238365
Now that the jobs you were doing no longer need doing, you can work on something else.
Are you suggesting we ban chainsaws so there's more jobs for axe lumberjacks? Ban cars so there's more jobs for the horse and buggies you mentioned? This is progress. The point of conservatism isn't to oppose any and all progress, it's to conserve what is good. Inefficient and expensive ways of doing things aren't good.
>>55238288
You keep saying that, you post-Marxist stooge. Look at who owns your precious "means of production" in the post-industrial information economy. Companies have a greater monopoly over data, intellectual capital, and analytics than they ever did over coal, steel, or oil. You think they aren't prepared to leverage that to pry every penny from your pocket?
>>55224918
glad that engineers can't be replaced by bots. But if we know that bots will replace the stupid why in fuck are they allowing a tonne of niggers and sand niggers into 1st world countries where bots will be deployed 1st
>>55238325
but that robot replaces like 6 of you.
>>55224918
>Book editor
You can't probably teach AI to find spelling mistakes (though MS Office spell-check is still cringe-worthy), but not aesthetics.
>>55224918
>factory drones
It'll only be factory drones at first, but changes are coming. Before long, your self-driving car will be made by a robot, as you head to the hospital where a robot diagnoses you, and a robot operates on you, etc.
Before long, even people like you will probably be replaced. Humans will only really be needed to smile and make each other feel welcome, and with so many tasks being sourced to robot labor, competition will be so fierce that there will probably be someone better than you.
Unless we go communist in a robot paradise, it's tough times ahead.
>>55238696
>You can*
>>55238696
I bet you can eventually. They said that a car could never go faster than horse, so horses would always be necessary.
A robot can have perfect recall of every text ever written, and compare styles, syntax, vocabulary, and everything that makes a book a book. It probably couldn't be truly creative, but I bet it could fake it so well that no one would ever know the difference.
>>55238470
The problem is that when you are fundamentally dealing in intellectual capital (e.g., the ability to train as an engineer, software developer) you are inherently imposing barriers to entry for those too unintelligent to train in these areas.
Let's say that your average engineer has an IQ of 115 (this is conservative).This implies that he is intellectually superior to 84% of all people. If we extend this to say that 84% of all people would be unable to train in this field, we have a problem.
You cannot have a demand for skilled labor that makes 84% of the population obsolete and untrainable.This would certainly cause civil unrest of devastating proportions.
>>55227114
How have you not heard about auto-driving cars yet?
>>55238573
Bullshit, no robot can do what I do 6 times better than I can do it. And, the huge thing to consider is, I do all these jobs becasue they all only get done at certain times, we only do hay maybe 8 times a year total, so he would have to justify a hay bot for just those 8 times, then put it in storage and wait until next year. Same with breaking calves, only have calves in the spring. Woodcutterbot could go all out i suppose, but we don't have an indefinite supply of wood, so really it still doesn't work out. My usefulness doesn't come from my ability to do one task perfectly, but to do several varied tasks well. Robots simply will not have advanced enough in my lifetime to replace me for what I am.
>>55238963
yet.
>>55238817
>probably couldn't be truly creative
But this is interesting, because it presumes that the human ability to do this constitutes "true creativity" and is not facilitated by basic neurological "software" analogous to how a machine might solve a comparable problem.
Human's don't just shit rainbows. There is clearly a computational structure to human thought, even if it remains unclear to us.
In the future, it really will be a contest between our algorithms, whatever they are, and those developed and employed by machines. It is hubris to presume this will not, at the very least, be a fair fight.
>>55224918
This is a major concern, but on the other hand if unemployment is rampant, the industrialists themselves will be out of consumers.
>>55224918
>Rich and wealthy get rid of their useless slaves
We all expected that
>>55238817
Sometimes an editor makes a decision because something doesn't feel right/look good, although it's not incorrect according to rules. Even if you'll be able to teach A.I. that sensibility, that's still ahead of us. I'll probably be retired before that.
>>55238541
Short term profits of not having to pay full wages to domestic workers. Also, if they are H1B, they might be good candidates to do relative low-tier maintenance of automated systems. If unskilled, some believe this will work to buttress our failing social security/pension systems for a few more years by artificially inflating the number of people paying into it. That implies that they are actually paying into it and not taking wages as cash under the table, though.
>>55239034
That's actually the thing that troubles me the most. If you accept that there is no spirit, or soul, then all thought is really just an imperfect biological machine.
I went to music conservatory, and counterpoint makes for an interesting example. Take this, for instance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQo_LirQY-k
It sounds inspired, but it's the product of fairly strict, established rules. When studying counterpoint, you don't have to know what it sounds like to make it sound good, as long as you follow the rules and conventions. There's an order to what makes a good melody, a good line, and a good structure. If you follow them, you're almost incapable of making something that sounds bad.
I don't doubt that someone could write a program that used these rules to generate something better than 98% of music students. I'm not sure about the other 2%, but it hardly seems impossible. I think other forms of art or creative things are probably the same, except that the rules are less clearly made.
I have a difficult time thinking of something made by a machine as being art, but leftists of the future would probably call that technism.
>>55238963
>why replace his oxen with a tractor
Lol no it won't nigger
>tfw went to school for Computer Engineering
>tfw working in robotics and automation
>tfw job security in tact
There was once a scientist who created a super intelligent rob. The first thing he asked the robot was "Is there a god?" The robot replies, "there is now" and a bolt of lightning hit the plug so it couldn't be shut down..
>>55239461
Your wrong, it won't be long until robots start teaching themselves, fuck, I mean they already can.
>>55224918
Good, we always waited for when we don't have to work. We just have to not turn it into dystopia.
>>55239347
Of course we are machines, and we can improve, that's transhumanism. "Your mind is software. Program it. Your body is a shell. Change it. Death is a disease. Cure it. Extinction is approaching. Fight it."
But I'll still get my lolibot, right?
>>55239347
Bots can already write music, this is Emily Howell: http://artsites.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/Emily-howell.htm
>>55227379
>robots being able to do work will mean humans can all sit back and drink margaritas all day
Kek, I remember thinking like this when I was a young child.
>>55229498
>can't program creativity
>>55239966
>>55240008
eventually it will have to happen
Physicist here, no I won't be redundant, thing is 90% of what we do is calculations on pre written programmes. Anyone could do it
>>55239125
Feelings are not real, we choose one thing over another because of experience and the world around us.
>>55240052
You'll be replaced by code monkeys, just wait.
>>55239347
True. There is a difference between computation and consciousness and it is entirely likely that they are not mutually inclusive in all foreseeable cases of AI.
Evolution has struck a cognitive structure with humans that happens to include a conscious component, either as in integral part of its workings or as an incidental, emergent property of its functioning otherwise.
We have no reason to think that another computational strategy lacking a conscious component could not do what we do equally as well if not better.
As a life form that associates consciousness almost synonymously with identity, this is dually offensive. Not only will a machine possibly outperform us in this case, but it will do so without the very thing that we think makes us special among other life on this planet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room
>>55238876
honestly, its only a matter of time before some AI genetically engineers a virus that makes Ebola look like stomach flu and the oversupply of human capital is brought back into equilibrium.
>>55239461
Yeah, for you.
>>55239736
At least link the original story anon.
>>55240052
You will get replaced by the machines last, congrats.
>>55239966
>Looked her/it up, and it's a lot better than I expected
Still not great, but most compositions by humans are shit anyway. I think of 1984, when they had machines writing books and pop songs for the masses.
If computers ever develop a sense of humor, we'll all be fucked. Now, she's almost as good as Satie, but that's not saying much. I thought of Carnival of the Animals, because it's actually funny and clever, and once they can do that, then we'll all down to the job opportunities of poor blacks: comedy, sports, and drug dealing.
>>55224918
>a filthy robot is going to take my job
No gear-chucker robot is ever taking my job.
I'll tell that silicoon right to his scrap metal face that he is second class filth & that him and his uppity gigaboo friends can go back to the scrap heap if they don't like it.
>>55237770
>NEET mice
>whorish females
>chad mice
>random, violent outbursts
>anti-social behavior
>female mice refusing to care for their young
>cannibalism
Sounds scary tbf
>>55240074
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. And I think you're right.
One of the most troubling things about this debate is that it seems consciousness is false anyway. Our mind acts before we realize that we're doing it. We're always one step behind. Consciousness seems like it's everything, but it might be an illusion.
AI might lack a consciousness, but that might not be an issue, if all our consciousness really is is us thinking that we have our hands on the wheel.
>>55225911
Well actually no they can. Most work in law involves reading a lot of documents very very carefully. Humans are inherently bad as it.
>>55224918
Take it from someone who studies AI, we are far from having masses replaced. At least couple decades.
Most work now is done on identifying areas of specialization and creating specialist systems that can interact with each other. AI is better described as Knowledge based systems as it doesn't carry the same expectations as AI.
>>55240077
Yeah, or it creates a botnet large enough to crunch data on the human genome and identify potentially alterable loci impacting intelligence. Demand all humans surrender DNA to achieve appropriate statistical power by hijacking nuke systems around the world as leverage.
After analysis, modify the genome of a founder population using CRISPR or the like and kill off all others in a swift stroke. Hell, it could even engineer the founding population to have an ideal level of genomic diversity while maintaining a low level of dangerous, recessive alleles and maximizing immunological diversity.
It would be the dictator we always needed but could never openly support. Funny thing: I'm weirdly ok with this situation.
>>55224918
Robotic AI is many years from being able to replace humans in the work force. Examples of AI you see posted on youtube are limited prescripted examples that serve no applicable purpose in a workplace. It's literally just "look this robot can do this limited range of things! be impressed!". Applicable robotic AI as of today is literally downs syndrome level but worse and isn't making any real advancements that matter.
>>55240267
>gear-chucker
>silicoon
>gigaboo
holy shit, my sides
more please I'm beggin you
>>55226523
These guys:
>>55237770
>>55240368
Are referencing Calhoun's mouse utopia experiment.
http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php
>So what exactly happened in Universe 25? Past day 315, population growth slowed. More than six hundred mice now lived in Universe 25, constantly rubbing shoulders on their way up and down the stairwells to eat, drink, and sleep. Mice found themselves born into a world that was more crowded every day, and there were far more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against, males found it difficult and stressful to defend their territory, so they abandoned the activity.
>Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection. Elsewhere, cannibalism, pansexualism, and violence became endemic. Mouse society had collapsed.
>>55224918
>factory drones whose only means of an income is labor.
Do you have any idea how often machinery breaks down in a factory? A good hour of every day is often spent waiting for the mechanic to fix something on your line and the more complicated the line is, the more likely something will break.
Adding robots will definitely make the line more complicated, I can't see many factories switching to all robots any time soon. The cost of buying a robot, constantly repairing and maintaining it and eventually replacing every 10 years will be greater than the cost of wages for the time being.
ayy
>>55240462
You're ok with this because it's the leader we all want, only incorruptible and immortal.
>>55240434
That is precisely what Daniel Dennett would have you believe. It is interesting to note that the fellow who came up with the Chinese Room thought experiment thinks him a fool. I'm not so sure.
https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness?language=en
>>55228984
have you ever programmed? anything?
listen here buddy, programming is my full time job, so believe me when i say that programming is not something an AI will be able to do, not in the next 100 years, you know why? because programming is not just about being able to logically come up with code, its dealing with the never ending problems that stem from bad code, stupid program errors and basically illogical problems that pop up that will make you want to jump off a building, a smart AI might be able to write some good code, but the troubleshooting that goes hand in hand with coding is just too random.
>>55237281
Right, but they were talking about lawyers, not judges.
>>55240434
Quite right. At the very least, consciousness gives us the vivid impression the we have our hands on the wheel, but we really can never be sure who is driving the car.
It's funny to consider how this uncertainty may be evolutionarily adaptive to us as human beings--as a means of furthering our culture and intellect. Alternately, it could just be a fluke of design like wisdom teeth or the appendix.
>>55240615
>not already having your robot racist slurs ready for when you come face to face with a little black sambot
Those oversized lapwops need to find out quick that they are second class servant filth.
And if my house nigger Aunt Jechroma wants to get uppity she can get scrapped faster than you can say, "No Massa!!!!"
>inb4 oil boilers come out saying "robots is gud boyz dey dindu nuffin"
species traitors day of rope when?
>>55225432
>Most services are performed in the first world where a robot would be impractical to implement.
Not at all. If there's one thing millennials and Gen Z even more hate it, it's human interaction.
>>55241079
>lapwops
>>55240677
I agree. The only thing I question is in what terms will it be incorruptable? If its morality converges to beliefs approximate to some that are familiar to us, that's great. If it is something utterly autistic and unknowable to us, I would feel just as ok dying for that machine's "greater good" as I would being killed by a faulty toaster.
>>55225432
>Most labour is done in the third world where the cost of labour doesn't justify replacement with a robot.
Also, it totally justifies it. Robots are in the long run cheaper and immediately more efficient than a fumbling third worlder on his 12 hr shift.
>>55240791
>https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness?language=en
I watched the first few minutes; I'll have to watch the rest when I'm not drunk. It's interesting, though.
>>55240963
>fluke of design like wisdom teeth or the appendix.
I'd think it might be an unintended consequence of intelligence. Animals have behaviors, preferences, and what could be called a personality, but I'm not sure they're really actively making conscious decisions, or even under the impression that they're doing so. They just act.
It might be that when intelligence increases, it has the side effect of having a consciousness. Something that tells you that you're thinking, and explains why you're doing what you're doing.
It's weird, and uncomfortable to think about, because you're trapped in determinism. Anything you might think to do to break through would be something that you'd do anyway. I could punch my neighbor in the face to actually affect change to the way things would have been, except I did that before I knew that I did, and my consciousness just got the telegram that I was going to do it after my brain had decided to, and told me that I was doing it after I'd already started, I guess there could never be another way.
I'm free to choose any pair of socks in the morning, but I've picked which pair before I realize that I've made up my mind. And if I can't control it, is my mind really mine?
>>55240868
listen here buddy, driving is my full time job, so believe me when i say that driving is not something an AI will be able to do, not in the next 100 years, you know why? because driving is not just about being able to logically come up with destinations, its dealing with the never ending problems that you see on the road, stupid poor drivers and basically bikers that pop up that will make you want to jump off a building, a smart AI might be able to drive straight, but the troubleshooting that goes hand in hand with driving is just too random.
>>55241241
Effect. Not affect. I had that sentence structured differently and changed it. Or my brain did, and I went along for the ride.
I'm a freelance photographer so no
as someone working in the field. Its all bullshit real AI will never exist, and robots are a fucking joke the biggest issue is a power source. i forsee technology hitting a wall for the next 50 years unless with get a holy grail power source.
>>55241415
You mean like fusion power and massive advances in battery tech?
The overpopulation problem will solve itself once this hits. Most of the third world will starve and die in wars and most of the first world won't give a fuck because they'd be to busy hunting for whatever few jobs and gibsmedat will be left. Most of the industries will go broke since no one will have the money to buy anything. Demand, growth and resource spending will adjust itself.
>>55241464
All bullshit we dont have a clean power source that can power robots for long. Bots require massive amounts of power Fusion in robots i cant see that happening for a very very long time. Not to mention current bots and AI are a joke
>>55241725
Fusion doesn't have to happen in the robots though. Like I just said, all you need is a Fusion plant and robots with batteries.
>>55241278
except this shit already exists, because object avoidance is really not that complicated, debugging is.
i bet you think that was real clever dont you?
>>55241791
nope current batterys are not enough even the promising breakthroughs in battery tech are not. It takes massive amounts of power to power a humanoid robot that will replace a human in a job. Wven if it was possible to create true AI untill we find an energy source they wont replace workers.
>>55241933
If we can create a room temp super conductor it would be a massive step for computers and robotics
>>55224918
>I personally work in the services sector so I doubt a robot could replace the stupid shit my boss makes me do.
Your job is small beans and irrelevant by comparison to a professional welder.
If you got paid anything more than scraps at the dinner table your job would disappear tomorrow.
>>55241933
It doesn't need to be "humanoid", it just needs to do the human's job. A single arm with a a half dozen tools on it will be a lot cheaper and far more productive than the same number of humans over its lifespan.
>>55241241
Good point. Dennett tends to give what some have called a cop-out solution to this problem, defining free-will not on the basis of mental phenomena, but on behavior.
For Dennett, you are effectively free if you have the ability to identify goals, adjust your own behavior, and progress towards a determined outcome. Even if the processes that subserve this are deterministic, there is something unique about realizing that these processes are deterministic--that they follow rules. In understanding these rules, we can use them to plan our behavior to achieve ends identified by ourselves in the course of well-reasoned consideration or acknowledged desires.
To the best of our knowledge, only humans have this ability to consider possible selves and how to achieve them given current realities. I think that's pretty cool.
>>55242132
>For Dennett, you are effectively free if you have the ability to identify goals, adjust your own behavior, and progress towards a determined outcome. Even if the processes that subserve this are deterministic, there is something unique about realizing that these processes are deterministic--that they follow rules. In understanding these rules, we can use them to plan our behavior to achieve ends identified by ourselves in the course of well-reasoned consideration or acknowledged desires.
It is definitely cool, and unique as far as I know, but I'm not sure it works. If the processes are deterministic, then isn't the rest just window-dressing? If I consider different possibilities, different selves, different plans, and different actions, but every process of me considering started before I realized that I decided to consider, aren't I still just along for the ride?
No, considering I'm the guy who will be fixing them when they break down.
>>55224918
>mfw I work as a penetration tester
>mfw I have to find out if those robots have any vulnerabilities
>mfw I find them on a regular basis
Corporations may want these robots to replace the work force, but as always have no idea what consequences they bring with themselves when hackers with the malicious intent compromise these robots; causing massive reputational damage and financial losses.
My job will never be redundant, as long as I have a computer with linux installed.
>>55224918
>he dosn't realize people need to design, program, maintain, etc these robots
the jobs are not going away. new tech oriented jobs are being created.
>>55242499
1 robot replaces 3 average joe jobs.
1 technician looks after a 50 robots.
150 jobs consolidated into 1.
Nice try lolbertarian, your magical free market doesn't work like that.
It's going to be okay. Not for humans, we'll die. But it'll be okay for intelligent machines. Our job was to create them. They supercede us, as children supercede their parents.
>>55242582
>>1 technician looks after a 50 robots.
bulllllshit. I fix these things for NCR. Mainly checkout lanes and such, but one person onsite, one person on the phone dicking with a PXE server, that covers maybe five checkout units.
Then there's the hardware guys who do the wiring and harnessing and all that bullcrap.
>lolbertarian
No nigger, TECHNICIAN. Your shit breaks, I fix it.
>>55242499
Also I doubt that many of the factory worker (or future factory workers) are smart enough to programm or design a robot. With maintaining them it's like >>55242582 said.
>>55242691
neither were the people who programmed or designed them before learning how. that is the beauty of humanity, we can adapt. When a machine wears out it's use, it can't adapt.
Robot plumber will bang your wife while you're not home.
Then again, fucking a robot is not technically cheating, right? Its more like masturbation.
>>55242681
>but one person onsite, one person on the phone dicking with a PXE server
>2 people
>Covers 5 checkout units
You just proved my point...
>>55242749
2:5 is not the same as 1:50
>>55242774
The point remains the same, 2 skilled people are supporting machines that replace 5 people. Once technology advances and becomes less shit. This rate will skyrocket.
>>55242774
It may as well be. There simply won't be enough jobs any more.
