Serious discussion. Is Obama one of the best President America has ever had? Leaving the epeck racist memes aside, and looking strictly at numbers, he excelled at his job.
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/pol/ would say he was one of the greatest presidents if he weren't black.
Republicans try to claim they're more "tough" but seriously, all they do is talk. 9/11 happened under Bush and all he did was attack unrelated countries. Obama actually did the job: found Osama, killed the fucker. Like a boss.
>>55208713
>>55208758
>>55208870
This is embarrassing.
>>55208713
He seems to have done a reasonable job, but he comes across as a self-righteous dick.
And the area he's failed in, which is odd, is race relations. They haven't been so low in the US for decades.
>>55208713
>consumer confidence
>94.6
>Annual deficit is still 564 billion yet marked in green
>debt isn't mentioned at all
>>55209156
Trump filed for bankrupcy 4 times
>>55209249
>4 times out of hundreds of businesses is awful
epic stuff xD
>>55209249
You're a fucking idiot who doesn't understand what bankruptcy is.
>>55209249
4 out of his hundred or so businesses did. That's extremely good when 75% of businesses go bankrupt in the first 5 years.
>>55208870
The point was to deal with terrorism, not to get revenge. Bush was the one who set up the program to hunt osama in the first place. It just happened to happen under obama.
>>55209405
Do you know the difference between bankrupcy and success?
Obama never filed for bankrupcy. He filed for success.
If he wasn't a puppet than he would be a good president but he is just incompetent and inexperienced for the job
>>55209249
>has 100 businesses
>4 failed
>96% success rate
>"failure"
>>55209455
Kek
Someone should make this pasta
Obama is the greatest President since Lincoln.
>>55209522
Yeah right... let's forget about his bankruptcy filings... Trump dindu nuffin
>>55209455
You're a funny guy.
>all these paid shills
GDP, stock market, corporate profits, discretionary spending, etc. hardly benefit the average person. All that money is benefiting the top 1%.
>>55209699
You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>55209699
>not being the 1%
What a nigger
>>55209606
Well when you take over after the country has already hit rock bottom, there's not really any place to go but up.
Anyway, he's not bad, just not great either. His legacy, the Affordable Care Act, is a fucking joke, though. Insurance companies were laughing all the way to the bank.
Should have either got single payer health care passed or done nothing at all.
I know I learnt what the US president does in my politics class, but what does the President actually do, it seems mist power lies with the congress and senate
>>55208713
>>55208713
only slovenian would be economiclly illiterate enough to thonk a us president has much effect on the economic outlook and business cycle.
>>55208713
>What is the federal reserve injecting trillions of fabricated USD into the economy
>What is adding 10 trillions dollars to the national debt
>>55210146
>trillions of fabricated USD
In other words, you have no idea how money works.
>>55208713
>NSA
>Syria/ISIS
>TPP
lol go kiss yourself
well if he is the best president, why is he losing major amounts of positions for his party?,..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/04/the-2015-election-tightened-the-republican-stranglehold-on-state-government/?postshare=8361446667278090
>>55210189
How does it work, then?
>>55210462
All dollars are fabricated. Money is regularly printed under the assumption of how much will be destroyed or returned in a time frame to keep a certain amount in circulation. So we could have an unexpected surplus of millions of dollars or a gap of millions and no one would notice. Inflation doesn't rise just by the addition of more notes.
>>55208713
> Hahahaha
Forgive them lord, they know not what they do.
>>55209606
Filing for chapter 11 allowed the employees of the businesses he acquired that were doomed to fail to keep their jobs and allowed him to restructure the company while getting debtors off his ass so he could turn a profit and pay the debts all while keeping the business running and the people's jobs secure. Bankruptcy in business is different than personal bankruptcy.
>>Unemployment
Reflects A) People leaving the workforce in significant numbers B) People getting smaller, lower wage jobs C) Fooling with how we calculate unemployment.
>>GDP
8 years of free money and epic, historic spending binges results in the slowest recovery in history. It's actually an ugly stat we should be ashamed of.
>>Corporate profits
This is simply not true
>>Spending
Debt and spending went CRAZY under Obama. There is no reasonable alternative analysis. Only the most carefully worded, narrow analysis can even make it remotely appear to be different. Spending as % of GDP has been very high under Obama. Reached >25% - which is scary high. Welfare spending went from <2.5%GDP to over 4%.
For comparison - Obama's 2009 Federal deficit was $1,413 per citizen. This is more than 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 COMBINED.
If you had $5. And I gave you $100. And you ended up with $7... you can't brag about how you made $2.
>>55208713
By the numbers he is no dount the greatest and history the farther out it goes will begin to recognize this as the cult of know nothings die off.
>>55209040
race relations were also terrible when we ended slavery and when we ended segregation.
It wasnt the abolitionists or the Civil Rights marchers that caused the divide, its a battle that has to be fought at some time.
>>55208713
>>55211929
He's one of the worst presidents of all time. Completely and utterly incompetent when it comes to foreign policy, actually negotiates with terrorists and comes off as a self-righteous mulatto twat.
>>55211929
Or as the cult of liberal revisionists breed.
If they keep teaching common core math, I'm sure kids will buy the story that by spending more money than ever spent on anything in human history, a mediocre recovery and crushing debt was achieved... and it was an amazing feat.
>>55208713
>real GDP 12.5 to 16.2
And it only cost us 11 million illegal immigrants and 9 trillion more dollars in debt!
That's literally due to Texas
>>55212034
There's not even a race relations problem or at least not any more than there has been in the US, it's all just manufactured controversy and the media twisting the facts and endlessly reporting on it every time a dindu gets shot by police.
>>55208713
No, 'epeck racist memes aside' he was a terrible, race baiting asshole who was the most partisan son of a (literal) whore to ever live in the white house.
actually, /pol/ doesn't hate that much obama, it's more the global liberal diversity feminist ideology pushed by the media, academia and politicians that is hated. obama is actually quite neutral towards these issues desu
>>55215146
still invited clockboy, still called trayvon his son
>inherent economy in recessions
>do literally nothing, maybe run a bit of a deficit
>wait for it to correct itself
>Be heralded as an economic god who saved america
Alternatively
>Inherent economy in boom
>Do nothing, maybe perphaps maybe run reasonable amount of surplus to limit fluctuations and so you can spend a bit in the next recession
>recession hits
>WORST PRESIDENT EVER
Why are americans so stupid?
>>55208870
kill yourself pls
Shut the hell up Slovenia.
>>55215863
>correct itself
this is why everyone laughs at canada
>>55208713
>cikan telling me a nigger is successful and good
Bro, fuck off the Visegradska ctyřka. Go.
>>55216132
Fuck, confused Slovenia and Slovakia. But my point stands, illiterate cikan trying to push some leftie nigger's agenda.
>>55208713
>gdp grows by 33%
>corprate profit grow by 80%
suprise suprise
>>55208713
LMAO
Dow (Stock Market) is a fucking index, not a stock, therefore it does not have a '$' symbol. You can't buy a Dow for any $. Who made this infographic?
The fiscal policies he and the Fed have encouraged have caused the Dow to become over-valued by about 6000 points as compared to historical trends.
I don't call that growth, I call that setting up the next fiscal collapse.
>>55216126
>hes never heard of the business cycle
AMERICAN EDUCATION IN ACTION FOLKS.
I bet you are voting trump? Or maybe sanders?
Ofc maybe the country that didn't even flinch in 2008 is maybe someone you shouldnt laugh Ats economic knowledge.
>>55216482
the fuck yu talkin bout bro? i own several thousand dows and fuck models every night
>>55209530
Do you know the difference between bankrupcy and success?
Obama never filed for bankrupcy. He filed for success.
>>55208713
He pumped tax money into corporations and fucked up the initiation of a thorough health care.
I do like the Iran deal and if it will hold, I wouldn't mind his killing Tuesdays so much anymore.
>>55216586
This ţbh
>>55208870
You are out of your fucking mind
>>55218033
Do you know the difference between bankrupcy and success?
Obama never filed for bankrupcy. He filed for success.
>>55208713
> Is Obama one of the best President America has ever had?
No.
>unemployment rate has gone down
>>55218095
You don't know what bankruptcy is for do you? Autistic fuck
>>55218905
>being this autistic
You know you have to be 18 to post on 4chan.
>>55218905
See: >>55209455 & >>55209530, dumb nigger
