WEALTH DISTRIBUTION IN AMERICA
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>the top 1 percent in America hold 40% of the nation's wealth
>the also have 50% of America's stocks, bonds and mutual funds.
>take home 24% of nations income
>in 1970 they took home 9%
>an average American CEO makes 380 times more money than the average worker in HIS/HER company
>bottom 80 percent of America, hold just 7% of the nations wealth,
>that's 8 out of every 10 citizens
>also own just 0.5% of America stocks, bonds and mutual funds.
https://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM
As long as I have enough for my needs, why should I care that other people have more than me?
>>55205617
And still ameriburgers are like
>YEAH I WANNA PAY 100k TO FIX MUH ARM, BECAUSE WE MUST KEEP TAXES LOW FOR MUH 1%
>>55205658
because if these trends continue, you won't.
>>55205658
You don't care that 80% of America isn't investing in its own nation?
>>55205658
>as long as I'm good now, I don't need to think the economic crisis future generations will experience
That's basically what you said you fucking moron
>>55205784
how did you draw that conclusion?
>>55205617
>them lazy, entitled bastards
>>55205617
The worst part about this shit is that the 1% play reverse Robin Hood with subsidies
>>55205725
>because if these trends continue, you won't.
/thread
>>55205617
>Muh shekels
Fuck of back to r/politics faggot
>>55206466
>play reverse Robin Hood
Reverse Robin Hood is giving money to the government dipshit
>>55206716
no, its taking from poor and giving the rich. What part of robin hood don't you understand?
>>55206716
Robin Hood took from the rich and gave to the poor. Thus reverse Robin Hood would be from poor to the rich. This is exactly what happens with Tax Loopholes, buying off politicians, subsidies, etc.
No wonder you're this stupid. All the money came out of the education system so retards like you would defend the rich fucks
>>55205617
So you're proposing we just take their money then because somehow you deserve it more.
Funny how only burger flippers care about this. I have had no problem earning money by working hard, investing in education and industry skills, and looking for better jobs when I'm qualified and want one.
Gibs go back to le reddit pls
Its true that most muricans eat garbage, wait cancer and recieve niger tier education?
>>55206797
>>55206769
No Robin Hood took the taxes the government collected and gave it back to the people
>All the money came out of the education
Good it is just shitty cultural marxist indoctrination
Educate your own kids
What is the poverty line?
What is this distribution compared to other nations?
Do poor people genuinely not want other people to own companies or have very valuable investments?
Wealth isn't finite.
Them getting more dosn't mean you get less.
>>55205617
>this fucking thread.
Holy shit. You don't think that these people earned their money, and have the right to do whatever they want with it?
If you're going to take money away from the rich, then what's the point of climbing the economic ladder? There is none. It takes away incentive.
All of you authoritarian Socialist fuckers can drown in your self pity. I'll be comfortable with my 60K a year while you're crying "MUH BENEFITZ; GIBS ME DAT FREE STAFF"
>>55205784
Why not close loopholes so they can't take advantage? Or do you think you should have that money just "because"?
>>55206818
The problem is the super rich in this country don't do so because of a free market, but rather government subsidies and other federal and state policies. It's literally cronyism. We have a class of oligarchs as bad as Russia. The only difference is that we have a bigger economy and better access to trade and stuff due to a strong currency propped up on the shoulders of a global sphere of influence enforced by our military.
>>55206818
The system is so rigged towards the rich, that the vast majority of US citizens that are in abject poverty can't lift themselves up by their bootstraps
Odds are you came from a middle class family, and that has helped you up. Try growing up in a ghetto or in rural Alabama
1% of population is still over 3 million people. And doesn't account for all who are dependants (children of, wives of, etc) that 1%. Quit whining and start making something of yourself
>>55206949
It does when it's literally taking your taxes and using them to subsidize the rich and their interests.
>>55206466
> taking less is giving
top fucking kek
>>55206967
They have been trying to close the tax-holes for 20 years but the government changes every fucking election, so nothing ever happens.
>>55206919
>cultural marxist indoctrination
Literally what, get brainwashed more conservashit. If anything we're taught national pride in schools
>>55206900
Yes we have the third largest population in the world and more white people than any other country, but we have been using our media propaganda to lie about the squalor that all of us live in.
>>55206900
I wonder how can you spend your whole life without eating some sweet sweet Eastern European potatoes.
>>55207045
>anything we're taught national pride in schools
HAHAHAHAAHHAAH
How old are you?
I was born in '82 and even then is was all anti white/american crap
>top 10% pay 70% of the taxes
>liberals still bitch about wanting more of their money to pay for Laquisha's 14 kids and trying to continue the social security ponzi scheme
And the difference between a 1%er and the average American is less than the difference between the average Bangladeshi and the average American. I guess Bangladeshi people should be able to force Americans to pay them a living wage
>>55207076
Laba diena little sprota so mad))
Main lithuanian food is potatoes too. I didnt like potato, I like buckweat
>>55205617
>>take home 24% of nations income
That's the only figure that matters.
>>bottom 80 percent of America, hold just 7% of the nations wealth,
But how much INCOME do they take home?
Normal people don't accumulate wealth because they spend everything they make and even get loans/mortgages to spend future income.
But that's their choice, and doesn't mean they don't have a high quality of life.
>>55206900
Come to America and find out. If you can afford the plane ticket. Bring some of your mail order brides with you.
>liberals want globalization
>get mad when owners of global companies make more than them
>>55207042
They're gonna pay
>>55205920
Why would I care? I don't have kids, I don't want kids. If the future is fucked well, not my fault I don't give a damn.
>>55205617
according to your information there is a 81 to 99 percentile that holds 53% of the nation's wealth. I want to know who these more anonymous almost billionaires are. I bet most of them have more power than the muh 1%
>>55207212
I was being unironically serious, I head potatoes past east taste like rubber.
I just love potatoes, I thought you might also like them.
Fucking Bulbašas.
>>55207335
Not at all, they're not the ones pouring millions into campaign contributions. That "free speech" is the most destructive thing in America today
>be awesome bank
>give out nice loans to make some shekels
>shekels dont come in
>ooh veeeyilout
>wage slave pays
>mfw they think they have any right to my money I earned by working my nose... I-I mean ass off.
>>55207014
>implying the 1% got to where they are from hard work
Fucking kek
>>55205617
Socialism isn't the answer.
The rich will protect themselves, and the middle class will be robbed blind by the perma-welfares.
If you want a more equal income distribution, abolish the federal reserve, severely curtail immigration to the US, and stop flooding the labor market with college degrees.
Bigger government is never the answer, it only exacerbates the problem.
If you care more about inequality than median income you're retarded
>>55207405
Potato make your cognitive abilities slow.
>>55207134
They lay for 70% of the nations taxes cause of their enormous wealth you dumbass. If wealth was distributed at least 20% more evenly, other people could afford to pay more taxes.
>>55206998
>The system is so rigged towards the rich
What the fuck does this even mean? Are you saying that having a lot of money makes it easier for someone to have a lot of money?
>>55207295
This is the reason why America is crumbling
>>55207295
We're not talking about next generation, we're talking about the next decade or so...we assume you'll be around for then unless DOTR hits before then
>>55207457
>rich people get their money from magical Leprechaun gold
>>55206998
Nope I'm a U.S. citizen who grew up in the UK. My family tried to start a failing business there and borrowed money from bad people and got in deep shit. We abandoned everything and moved back to the U.S. to live in poverty. My parents tried to start their business again, did badly because they're idiots and we all suffered. They abused the untarnished records of my brother and I to commit loan and check fraud and destroyed our credit. We had to work shitty part time jobs and give up every penny to help my parents pay bills.
Fast forward and we got away from it. I rented a cheap apartment with my brother using minimum wage retail jobs. Went to community college and earned an AA with borrowed money. Transferred to a 4-year and borrowed more, but also worked full time to minimize debt. Graduated with an industry relevant degree but couldn't find a good job in a small college town. So I moved somewhere else with jobs available and found one. I gained experience and certifications in my field and have changed to better, and more challenging jobs with higher pay. I make good money and my student loans are manageable.
So nope, no silver spoon here. And some old friends on facebook are bitching and moaning about this 1% bullshit while still working in that shitty minimum wage retail establishment in their home town that I used briefly for income while in college.
>>55207542
Sounds far fetched, though cheapest eggs are my main source of food, but potatoes are becoming a rather large portion of my daily calorie intake.
Care to provide a paper on that?
>>55207555
I'm saying having a shit load of cash allows you to pay off politicians to keep all your cash by trashing the environment, destroying unions, and keeping the tax code so autistically complex that you can loophole through it.
>>55207619
>CEO of a company earns 380 times more money than one of his employees
Based on your logic the CEO works 380 times harder than the employee.
>>55206501
>wealthy income increases faster as a percent than everyone elses
>trend continues
>this somehow me and the poorer are losing the money
Libkek pie slice retard economics everyone
(Nobody tell Americans that even the poorest are in the 1% worldwide)
>>55207637
Too much work. Thanks for paying for my chicken tendies and fallout 4/star wars battlefront pre orders, wagekek
>>55206998
Aww did you have a bad childhood?
No one cares. If you have any intelligence start investing your time into how to make money.
However Bitching on pol about how hard a life you have is pretty much a guarantee you are are born loser.
>>55207736
> hard work
ever heard of value, commutard?
>>55207555
>Are you saying that having a lot of money makes it easier for someone to have a lot of money?
It is easier to make money through investment than through work.
And all investors combined earn more than all working people combined.
>>55207864
I've yet to meet a CEO who isn't a complete retard and losing his company shitloads of money.
>>55207940
> ceos ive met
you haven't met any american ceos
>>55205617
You do know this video outright lies (or got wrong )about the income distribution of Sweden tight?
>>55205920
Redistribution won't change that and would make the situation much worse as it would not only destroy the world economy alongside the American it would give power to a horrid authoritarian state.
We are facing a monetary crises due to idiot leftist raping our currency beyond recognition.
Woodrow Wilson poisoned this nation and until we rid this poison we will continue to slowly die as the Romans did.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=51CvlMEtf1A
>>55205617
just gave percentages not actually real wage rates. implying a lot of facts without putting real numbers. Standard Bernie Sanders fag info.
>>55207884
investing is a form of work. try not to include your made up definitions when trying to make an argument
>>55207884
Shut up aquafresh.
>>55206937
why should they even care?
>>55205617
We Mexico now.
You must not criticize the Patrones, OP, they are better than peones like us.
>>55207637
If the 1% weren't raping the economy by shipping jobs overseas and hoarding cash it would've been easier for you. I don't doubt all that hard work paid off, but it could have, and should have, been easier for you. And what would you rather have, some fat cat with an extra trillion in his coffers doing nothing, or people on the streets actually prospering?
>>55208081
>investing is a form of work.
Not if you hire people to do make all the investment decisions.
>>55208081
Not necessarily, plenty of passive investments.
>>55208282
I see too many people not even trying and acting like it's everyone else's fault.
>>55207678
Cheapest egs shitty to. I get egs in village. Big differense
>>55208352
Glad you got keked by the1% so that you can defend them. I'm fucking glad that you can sit on this image board and cry "YU NEED TO WURK HARDER!" just because the 1% told you that's how to get rich. Give me a fucking break. You're the slave here to corporate cock. I hope you enjoy it when they blow a load all over your face, then tell you to clean it up because "work makes you free"
>>55208352
Why post if you don't have an argument?
>>55207547
>if same amount of wealth was distributed differently, we'd get roughly the same amount of taxes
Thanks captain obvious
>>55205617
funny how wealth is measured. I'm sure that if you removed all sort of luxuries and excesses, both personal and business related, from the top 1%, they'd still hold 37% or so of the nation's wealth
>let's take away that wealth from the rich guys
>let's literally destroy
>jobs
>infraestructure
>resources
>>55207542
>Potato make your cognitive abilities slow.
Is this what your dictator says when the people complain there er no potatoes?
>>55208444
You're honestly not helping your case by spazzing out over a meme.
>>55208480
Why aren't you gathering up Mario and Javier to construct the partition between Mexico and the US?
Americans are wealthier than the rest of the worlds population. Should wealth be redistributed to them as well?
Such is the way of life. There are winners and there are losers. Egalitarian utopian are pipe dream because people of any color simply are not wired that way. The idea that we could make every one equal in every way is fucking ridiculous. It's in our tribal nature to be better to have more and just generally out compete the asshole next to him. Some people have the drive and determination and most don't.
>>55205658
He gets it
There's literally nothing wrong with wealth being controlled by a Jewish millionaires and billionaires.
>>55208585
>Undermurican shitskins country
>Call belarus ubermansh Emperor dictator
Kek
>>55205617
reminder that 70ish percent of the american population doesn't pay taxes and OP is likely one of them.
What about tax inequity?
The rich are stolen from an a huge rate and the poor are given the stolen money!
>>55207025
>implying those taxes would have gone to the public instead
>>55205617
Let us rephrase this in more positive terms.
Less than 15% of the population is in poverty.
25% are working poor.
40% are in the middle class with enough money to sustain themselves and advance their children's futures.
20% are wealthy and have few concerns about money.
1% have achieved so much they are in a class all their own. They own the businesses and land that employee and support the other 99%.
Looks pretty comfy to me. 10% of the "rich" should be upper middle class, which leaves only 10% truly rich individuals.
That's right goy, you see all those successful investors and bankers who create massive amounts of wealth? They don't deserve that wealth.
You should give it to AIPAC - uh, I mean, "the government". We bureaucrats and lobbyists will distribute it perfectly fairly, and you too will be able to get a ferrari and mansion.
You just have to vote Bernie 2016! You'd be meshuggah to do otherwise! :^)
>>55206435
That green dot on the border of Texas. Is that exclusively from Eagle Ford Shale? Holy shit.
>>55209094
Sure thing
>>55205617
Richest of rich tend to have more money than the poorest of poor? Holy shit, what a surprise!
The CEO who has to manage a shitton of things gets paid more than some random fucker on an assembly line? Holy shit! Smash the system! This is sick!
We need marxist communism in America RIGHT NOW! That will fix EVERYTHING!
Literally no one with a brain cares how much money the top 1% make.
>>55208863
>not even allowed to call his dictator a dictator.
Wow, Belarus really is a dictatorship huh?
>>55207028
Imagine you're in a room with 100 people. Everyone in the room has to put $20 in a box, except for one man, who only has to put $5 in the box.
Now imagine that instead of that, everyone in the room puts $20 in the box, but after everyone leaves, one guy is given $15.
Now tell me what the difference between those two scenarios is.
>>55206466
>he thinks the fossil fuel industry gets more direct subsidies than the renewable energy sector
>>55208081
You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
>>55205617
Actual distribution fo world wealth would look the same with all of the US as the 1%, and so fuckign what
>>55205658
Because the current system is based on them profiting, not you, pits you into a circle of bad credit, and entails you having to pay your hard earned money if they fuck up their plans of getting wealth from you.
>>55206949
In the long run, yes. But in the short run, for all intents and purposes as far as you're concerned, it sort of is. The Fed can't exactly print endless money to solve financial crises; you know that.
>>55209650
>Brainwashed kid thinks that he change some face in EU parliament and get real changes
Kekeke
>>55209799
>Because the current system is based on them profiting, not you, pits you into a circle of bad credit, and entails you having to pay your hard earned money if they fuck up their plans of getting wealth from you.
So how is this fixed
>>55208029
They're not stupid, they're legitimately fucking you over, very cunningly at that.
>>55207168
I don't see why not. We exploit the shit out of their labor pool
>>55209853
Economic pluralism as opposed to blind neo-classical decision making.
>>55209709
Well, in these scenarios you say that everyone HAS to put in $20, but what if they don't have that to start with? What's the benefit of putting in the money (let's just say that it's so they don't go to jail). So if the guy only has $10 on him, in the first scenario he is able to put the money in. In the second scenario he is penalized.
How long does it take between giving the $20 and getting the $15 back? Is there anything better that person could have done with his $15 in the mean time? Is he missing out on some sort of opportunity because he put all his money into the box but hasn't gotten his refund yet?
>>55209795
Unless you're living in pure opulence having your arsecheeks wiped by a pair of albino siamese twins, you should understand that you're not only suffering from stockholm syndrome, you're also limiting your own growth as an economy.
>>55210104
I legitimately don't understand what's funny about this. Do you enjoy stockholm syndrome too?
>>55205617
Good for them. They sound very successful.
>>55205617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi8clPrg7kc
>Increase immigration from mexico and other poor /low IQ people worldwide
>Surprised when the wealth gap increases
Wealth distribution would only work if we made people of certain income levels have a lot of children. Poor people are usually poor because they are bad with money. This is the reason why black athletes end up broke shortly after their career is over. If people with net worth a over x millions of dollars were forced to have +10 kids, the money would eventually start spreading out.
>>55210259
>I'm a nigger who likes to steal from people
I find it amazing how smelly Indians with horrible accents can come to this country and quickly make something of themselves while we have tons on Americans whose ancestors have been here for centuries can't make anything of themselves and butch and moan and whine for a handout.
>>55206900
R A R E
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>>55205617
Of course. The median wage of *WORKING* Americans (That means no children/minors, retirees, NEET) is only $28,000/year.
It's gotten so bad for the typical American that the mainstream media had to resort to using Average wage stats ($55,000/year), which is completely skewed by the top .01% making record-shattering profits.
According to official government stats, the average wage in this country is actually the 80+ percentile of income.
>>55205658
Because they're fucking you over and they're cheering you on you fucking moron
>>55210451
Then kick all the illegals out and see your wages grow. Pick your poison.
>>55210126
I wasn't commenting on the tax system as a whole, I was just saying that tax breaks and the government literally handing you money is pretty much the same thing.
>>55205617
really shows you how lazy or stupid most people are that they cant get rich
>>55210540
That still wouldn't really fix the problem. You're getting fucked over and they've convinced you that it's fair. This is what being blue-pilled feels like.
>>55210602
Yeah right, it's people being lazier than ever before. There's nothing in our environment that has changed to facilitate this.
>>55210629
I honestly think that the identity politics movement breaking up other political movements is in part an extremely successful psyop. It's too perfect.
>>55210384
Equating taxation in a society with theft renders any form of government immoral to you. Are you an anarchist?
>>55205725
>there's a finite amount of wealth in the world
>>55210875
I think he's saying that they'll take more and more of their share until you're a peasant and they're kings. /pol/ is blue-pilled as fuck for vehemently rejecting any manipulation by the rich.
>>55210625
Who said it was ever a problem? Cream rose to the top while shit got left behind. Even if you redistribute wealth you will still have exact same issue a few decades/centuries down the road because some people are just simply better and will excel.
>>55210384
fuck off kike nigger
>>55207736
>Based on your logic the CEO works 380 times harder than the employee.
Does an engineer work harder than a construction worker?
Since when does pay equate to labor?
You are paid based on the value you bring to the company, not how hard you work.
>>55210955
Except this current level of wealth inequality is in large part due to rich people steering politics in their interest. It's not organic, they used your government and your tax money to facilitate it .
>>55210451
>>55210451
>only 28 000 dollars a year
Bruh in my country engineers make like 18 000€ (net) .
And the average wage is around 12 000€ (net),with the minimal wage being around half that.
And no, things are not cheaper.
>>55205617
The top 1% will pay 45% of the total revenue (as in what the government will actually receive) for the 2014 tax year while the lower 80% will only be responsible for 15%.
Tell me again this is about fairness, equality, or justice and not just pure covetousness.
>>55210249
>pits the entire video as an example of hating the rich because we're p-poor
>not realizing that the fundamental flaw is not "hating the bourgeoisie" but a fatal flaw in economics itself
>thinks its 1917
come on man, you know better than this.
Also, if you go to Sowell's wikipedia page, it will tell you he believes in free-market economics. Do you still not understand that the "free market" that everyone heralds is a complete myth? There is no such thing as a free market.
>I prefer thomas sowell over some anon on 4chan
understandable sentiment, I'm not Sowell. However, you have to understand that all his accolades, all his merits are based on his deep inspection of one school of thought. He's much more prone to be myopic, and so are you, if you simply listen and do nothing else. Economics isn't a hard science, it's a political argument, and has been since it was first thought up as a discipline. Different models have worked well in different circumstances, because there is no "magic free market formula" for economics. Some schools can explain certain things better than others, but you really have to stop this black-and-white interpretation of economics.
>>55210813
when people are already paying a much higher tax rate than you, and you argue that they need to pay more because muh feelings, than yeah it's basically theft.
>>55210991
what is it about commies and their obsession with the workers worth by how much effort they put into something? i put a lot of effort into jacking off should i get paid as much as a ceo?
>>55210991
God being in a rich family I can't believe how brainwashed you retards are. This is hilarious. "I deserve to be poor" God it's fucking funny.
>>55205617
And it's getting worst thanks to democrats flooding the job markets with immigraiton, driving down the value of labor and shrinking the middle class.
Plus for bonus points Obama gives companies tax credits to hire foreigners over citizens to further widen the gap.
But I am sure somehow liberals will try to say it's the fault of them evil greedy republicans.
>>55211039
Your country is a piece of fucking shit. We're talking about functioning countries here.
>>55207940
yea, thats cause you only get to meet CEO's who are complete retards for letting your dumb ass in the building
Welcome to communism faggot.
Work hard and maybe you can own a lot of money someday. Pussy.
>>55211186
A CEO is not 380 times more valuable for a company than an intelligent worker. If you buy into that you are a fucking c uck.
>>55211261
OOPS meant capitalism
>>55205617
Glory to Joseph Stalin. He redistributed the wealth in the Soviet Union.
>this entire thread
>>55211027
Yes, they bred spics, niggers and whores to replace the competent workforce. It's not that jobs pay less now its that everyone but the top 10% is retarded
>>55211281
if one decision can end up costing the company millions of dollars and laying off 380 workers or gaining the company millions of dollars and 380 workers you are god damn right they are more valuable.
>>55211307
I can not work my ass off for a day in the rest of my life and I will still be way fucking richer when I die than any of you losers. God I can't fucking believe the level of self hate and deprecation you feel and how you believe that income = value of an individual. I will be a fucking millionaire in 30 years no matter how hard I fuck up in life and you faggots will defend this to the death. God I love being in a rich family. Stay c ucked losers.
>>55211281
>A CEO is not 380 times more valuable for a company than an intelligent worker.
The fact that they get paid what they do would seem to contradict your assertion bud.
>>55208444
if i wasn't so irresponsible my life would be awesome.
i don't even make that much.
i just buy stupid shit when i should save
>>55207453
Underrated post.
>>55211281
>WAAAAAAAAAAA My degree in Womynz studies as I work, flipping burgers, is just as important as being a CEO. WAAAAAAAAAAA.
Kill yourself, faggot.
>>55210322
Funny that Nazi Germany is the "far right-wing" when a lot of their policies were left wing. They even cared for the Working Class more than the USSR I imagine. Why do you think a lot of the current National Socialist parties have "worker" in the name? This image is shit and leftypol is shit.
>>55211090
What makes you admire the CEO is a cultural imprint on your mind that he is the magus of our society. Stop being a kid and grow up to the reality that he probably "works" 2 hours a day and spend the rest of his day getting This massage while you're a broke ass nigga.
>>55205617
even if those percentages are broken up and distributed to everyone else it'll still only make a few dollars' difference due to the vast amount of people involved
>>55206998
Typical schadenfreude against rich people.
>>55210991
>You are paid based on the value you bring to the company, not how hard you work.
So when an American factory closes down and is reopened in Mexico, those Mexicans who are doing the exact same job are paid 1/10 the wage because they bring 1/10 the value to the company?
>>55211511
Are you 15?
>>55211415
Is this supposed to make me mad or something? That some random stranger online was born into wealth.
Why should I care? Has literally no effect on me personally.
>>55211562
Yes
Read a book, nigger
>>55211583
No, but it's
>20
>15
>>55211562
Thank a union, faggot.
>>55209179
No, it's the Permian basin. Different play
>>55211588
I'm just here to laugh at poor and middle class people and how fucking hard they're defending me for free.
>>55207757
>(Nobody tell Americans that even the poorest are in the 1% worldwide)
That's right goy, there are people way worse than you goy, there are people dying around the world
shut up, pay your taxes and make sure you pay your friendly neighbour charity a visit, they need your sheke - I mean help
>>55210875
>Finite land
>Finite energy
>Finite precious materials
>Infinite wealth
Oh thats right, the Federal Reserve can print all the money they want! That must mean that money is infinite, and therefore wealth is infinite!
>>55207045
> everything bad in the world is America's fault, especially if you're a white man
Yeah, no, nigger. You're not taught to be proud of your culture as an American, you're taught to be ashamed of it.
>>55207757
well, they actually are. wealthy people send their money (which they earned selling services/goods to US citizens) to countries with bigger ROI (china, india and similar).
>>55205617
People always gloss over the fact that the 1% earned that wealth fair and square though. They're all successful business owners and entrepreneurs. By what right does anyone have to take it? It's not as if the 1% is eternally static. Notch (creator of Minecraft) was a regular wageslave in 2008 and one of the richest people in the world in 2015. The idea that there is a defined set of people in the 1% that never changes and they're deliberately screwing you is myth. Millionaires are created every day, and people who were in the top 1% wealthiest one week can drop out and only be top 10% the next.
>>55211112
>thinking that immigration is the central problem
>not realizing that illegal immigrants only make up 3.66% of the US population
>not realizing that outsourcing and the rust belt was Reagan's legacy
>not realizing that it's not a matter of nationality
>not realizing that the 1929 great depression was amplified exponentially due to laissez-faire economics and m-muh balancing the budget, which republicans now are eager to go after
>being this deluded
pls
>>55211498
>mistaking authoritarianism for left-wing policies
The top 1 percent earns about 24% of the nation's income and pays about 25% of our countries taxes.This trend is repeated in the other income brackets in the US. Taxing them more will not fix anything, we have to stop thinking of our society and gov't as separate entities if we are going to make genuine progress in liberty and equality, such as a more manageable healthcare system, or a more stable infrastructure system (ex. roads and highways). We should deal with these issues in an egalitarian and civil manner.
>>55211767
Please, you're making me feel ashamed.
>>55211562
Touche, Canadabro
Anyway there are obviously a lot of factors at play, businesses are competing with other businesses to attract and retain quality employees, taxes and regulations are different, etc. And for lower skill/lower wage jobs that anyone can do with minimum training, the employee has less bargaining power unlike a CEO.
Point just was pay isn't solely based on how hard you work.
>>55211755
>they do it for free
That's why they'll never be rich.
>>55211820
I always see eurotrash and australians defending our level of wealth inequality on /pol/, but I seriously doubt that you guys would accept the same circumstances that most people do in america.
>All these Socialist kekolds ITT
TUMBLR OUT.
Or, if you want to stay, give be an objective definition of what constitutes a 'living wage', beyond some arbitrary figure pulled out of your ass on the basis of "more gibs."
I'll bet most of you think Scandinavia is some sort of utopia, lel.
>>55211755
OK well have fun with that
>>55205617
You telling me, look here, you telling me that everyone should get the same amount of money as the person next to you?
Meaning everyone should have the same amount of income?
Meaning a homeless man should make the same amount of money as a neurosurgeon?
If your answer to those is "yes", you are a certified retard and will be ignored/blacklisted.
If your answer is "no", then stop shitposting.
>>55211888
They'll never be rich because the game is rigged even though they refuse to accept it. god this is a comfy feeling.
>>55211945
It's fucking frustrating man.
>>55211923
you can't imagine the level of comfiness when I see dozens of people defending my right to be a millionaire regardless if I work a single hard day in my life. Pussies, pussies everywhere.
>>55205617
>ZETA DISTRIBUTIONS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN WITH MONEY FOR SOME REASON
k
>>55210686
>There's nothing in our environment that has changed to facilitate this.
I disagree
welfare has made people lazy but this welfare has to be paid by someone so that someone has less money to invest elsewhere
why work for 1k a month when you can entertain yourself with computers all day and still get enough to live comfortably
200 years people who dont work hard died, simple as that
but now people believe that they are entitled to a home, car, computer and smartphone, food, medicine, education and much more just for existing!
it's the socialism that causes this harm to society on both ends by removing incentives and killing opportunities
>>55211917
Give me one statistic in economics that isn't a completely arbitrary number.
>>55211991
I genuinely feel sorry for you because you understand it, but in the words of my mother, "If they're too stupid to realize that they're getting fucked over, they deserve to be fucked over"
>>55211415
>being this edgy
>>55206716
lol this retard doesn't understand Robin Hood.
>>55212110
I'm not edgy man, it's a hard feeling to express when I see a bunch of people justifying the morality of a system that is inherently structured to fuck them over, when I will never be fucked by it because I'm well embedded in it.
>>55211562
>>55211821
Fantastic responses from non-American posters. What are some solutions you guys have for some of the problems?
>>55212166
alright now you're just trying too hard
it's getting sad at this point
>>55212061
>Implying the whole study of economics isn't garbage as you can't objectively account for the Human element
Now we're getting somewhere, you garlic-munching cunt.
>Muh liberté, egalité, fraternité
Your revolution and by extension, the Enlightenment, was garbage. Liberty and Equality are mutually incompatible; you care about (wealth) equality. I'd rather have freedom.
>>55211899
Probably because we live in socialist states where the government taxes the wealthy to obscene degrees to fund dindus and NEETs and we know how much it sucks? Capitalism is a meritocracy, you can obtain wealth by producing something of value to society. The US is the closest to the capitalist ideal and creates more millionaires than any other country because it's easy as hell to obtain capital and build a business from scratch, at least compared to Australia and other high tax socialist states where start ups are far and few between just because of the costs of getting them off the ground and people being incredibly risk averse.
Simply put in Capitalism if you want wealth you need to get off your ass and build it yourself. 90% of people are happy to be employed to someone else, draw a wage and have certainty. Thats fine, but you don't get to complain when you're earning 40k a year and a person who took a 2nd mortgage to fund a risky business venture a few yeas back is earning +1 million now.
>>55207506
Fucking this
>>55211942
Yes. Why not? The neurosurgeon shouldn't make any more than a homeless (well there won't be any homeless people) or a NEET (they'll be very few NEETs too). Why not? Everyone should do what they do out of love for knowledge and their fellow man. Everyone equal, all rich.
>>55212076
Such is the world man, you can only hope people one day will stop thinking in black and white. I find it incredibly ironic that people call sweden keks when they demonstrate Stockholm syndrome to the t in these sorts of discussions.
>>55212175
I'll say it once and I'll say it again, economic pluralism is the key. Recommend reading Economics: the User's Guide.
>>55212221
Go back a couple of posts and you'll see that I said that economics is and will always be a political argument. By incorporating different combinations of schools of economic thought, each with it's own merits, you can mitigate, even if slightly, the politicization of it. We started off on the same page, you've given up hope, which I still retain, because it's all I can have.
>>55212210
Not really. What's sad is that I'll be rich no matter how much of a lazy entitled scummy fuck I want to be and you faggots will have to work your asses off and still defend my lifestyle as if this is far, even though my family actively votes to fuck you over more than you already are. I don't have to tryhard anon. I'll be a millionaire one day no matter what the fuck I do.
>>55211942
>jumping to those extreme conclusions when OP didn't say what their views were, but only provided information for discussion
kek
>>55212322
Australia has one of the freest economies on planet earth.
>>55211066
right, and hes simply pointing out the model that has worked the best so far.
>>55212385
>straight up fantasyland gibberish
What is this, fucking Star Trek?
>>55212390
I wish the best for you man, I only am here to make fun of the people who defend this fucking disgusting system.
>>55210584
>that pic
the delusions have gone full circle
>>55212385
Only problem with that is for jobs that are stressful, dangerous, demanding, etc. the extra money is the only reason some people do them.
>>55212554
I think that's totally justified. What is unjustified is the extreme level of disparity.
>>55212445
you've missed the point. You're still thinking of it in black and white terms. You refuse to accept other schools of thought into the political economy, you still maintain a superiority for the neo-classical school despite preposterous claims such as the "great moderation" that some of it's strongest proponents have made. It's one thing having a preference in one school of thought, it's another thing shutting your eyes and ears and defending said school of thought as god's undiluted, unadulterated, unmitigated truth.
>>55212503
thanks man, I genuinely appreciate it.
>>55212385
But they won't though. Why the fuck would anyone work their fingers to the bone to become a rocket scientist when the rewards for being a janitor are the same?
When you disassociate work and reward, your social model starts to define humans as perfect angelic beings that will all just DO EVERYTHING without any actual reason. And that's why the left is retarded.
>>55205678
>increasing taxes would reduce that 100k price
thats retarded. the only thing thats gonna reduce price is more doctors getting certified than what AMA quotas are allowing
>>55212554
Maybe we could do them in shifts or they take some other benefit like retire earlier. Eventually automation though will solve it.
>>55212488
You asked what I think is ethically correct.
>>55212397
>because my uncle who was a poor German immigrant who became a successful multi-millionaire entrepreneur doesn't exists.
I'm not talking everyone can become a billionaire just by working hard day in and day out, but whats great about capitalism is that a select few can grab their share if they are smart enough.
You just sound like an edgy 14 year old born into a rich family.
>>55212636
Literally why?
Give me an objective definition of what you deem to be an 'acceptable' level of disparity.
>>55212642
No homo, but Dutchbros are my favorite posters on this board and obviously the most intelligent and informed. Germany and Norway are good competition, but you guys take the cake.
~~~~~DAILY REMINDER THAT~~~~~
In America:
The top 1 percent pays 40% of all income taxes.
The top 10 percent pays 70% of all income taxes
>>55206797
>All the money came out of the education system
the dept of education continually gets budget increases
what the fuck are you talking about
>>55212731
Thanks man, come and smoke a j anytime here!
>>55212695
Actually i didn't I just kind of joined the thread. Anyway, explain to us all how it's ethically justifiable to pay a neurosurgeon the same as a garbage man.
>>55212425
And yet there are basically no tech start ups here.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/australias-tech-startup-industry-is-in-flames-and-its-time-to-do-something-about-it-2015-9
>>55212700
My family was poor when before I was 8 years old,and then both parents became millionaires almost simultaneously. Many billionaires an millionaires are geniuses and hard working people, there are also many people who are far poorer that are driven and intelligent who deserve much more credit. I'm intelligent, but I have several flaws and I will be a millionaire no matter what the fuck I do. You guys will defend that to the death while I sit back and drink my mom's top shelf wine before going out with my buddies and partying with money that I didn't earn.
>>55212725
Nothing here can be objective. I would judge it by the value of someone's work. I don't believe that a CEO has 380 times the value of the average worker they pay.
Productivity has nearly doubled in the past 30yrs, nearly double the amount of money being produced with the same amount of work. Only a middle class, lower class or college age kek can appreciate the outcomes of current wealth distribution.
>>55208701
This desu senpai
>>55212890
Fuck man lol same to you. We jumped on the bud train and I'm sure you;d enjoy a trip to colorado, washington, oregon, alaska and soon to be massachusetts.
>>55212894
I'm not "paying" anybody. This is a wrong attitude. I don't think the "state" should be paying them either. I think people should spend their time anyway they choose, working as much as they like, doing whatever they choose.
>>55212993
Stupid argument. A nation is a cohesive group. International Relations functions on anarchy. Every state is looking out for its own interest and there is no body of higher law or government.
>>55212894
>Anyway, explain to us all how it's ethically justifiable to pay a neurosurgeon the same as a garbage man.
Garbage collecting is a hard job, and they're well-compensated.
300k salary.
>>55212925
And your point is? Your family deserved their wealth and therefore being born into you do to. Life isn't fair nor is it sun shine and rainbows. I defend it to the death because I am to a recipient of wealth. Own up to it and fuck everyone else.
>B-BUT THEY EARNED THAT MONEY!
Daily reminder that libertarians are keking themselves out of wealth, because some trust-funded faggot 'earned' it away from him.
>>55205617
Ok lets see you work 30 years to build a company, then pay a day one secretary as much as you earn, lol.
>This thread
Fucking classkeks
>>55208701
>implying we aren't already
http://beta.foreignassistance.gov/
>implying prices on things such as medications arent stupidly high in the states because other countries force false price limits and the loss gets made up by the US
>>55212925
>I would judge it by the value of someone's work. I don't believe that a CEO has 380 times the value of the average worker they pay.
>The value of someone's work
First off, if you're going to start bringing up 'surplus value', that theory has been discredited to hell and back.
Secondly, how are measuring the worth of someone's worth? By the physical effort required to do it? By the rewards it reaps? It's also absurd how little work people think CEO's do. No, they don't all smoke cigars and sit on their asses in boardrooms.
>>55213156
>Swede
>Slavoj
Faggot on both counts.
>>55209973
>Economic pluralism
ok tony soprano
>>55213137
The issue is that nominal income has gone down for the typical American.
The median income for working Americans is only $28,000.
>>55213101
No man, I acknowledge the obivious reality that the system in the US is rigged to favor the rich to a large extent. Our fucking legal system is even entirely different. Any of us an get away with nearly everything because we can hire the top jews to defend us. I think it's fucking disgusting and I dream of an america where each man and woman are judged on the content of their character rather than their inheritance.
>>55213202
The importance of their work to the company. It's very simple. Even fucking monkeys adhere to a system of fairness and morality.
>>55210813
incorrect, it just makes taxing entities immoral
governance is not predicated by taxation, just statism
>>55212939
>Productivity has nearly doubled in the past 30yrs
I can assure you that is not because burger flippers have gotten better at their jobs. It's because of computerization, and more recently, automation. Who deserves the biggest slice of the pie for implementing the things that make a business more efficient? Management and owners. It's not really hard to understand and graphs like that are only designed to trigger primal envy and the thought that "Someone is getting more than me! Unfair!"
>>55210935
>their share
>there's a finite amount of wealth in the world
>>55213303
governments need funds to function. In order to get funds, they need to tax their citizens.
read the sticky, you are making the opposite of a valid point
>>55213333
Their share of compensation for their labor and contribution.
>>55211341
what a materialistic use of pen and paper
hypocrite
>>55213296
A capable CEO is much rarer, and of much more value, than someone who does a job that will probably be fulfilled by a robot in a few years time. McDonalds have started experimenting with this to phase out burger-flippers, for a start.
This retarded brutalistic rhetoric from "muh equality/1%-ers" doesn't achieve much more than to downplay the extreme amount of work that goes into being a CEO.
We all know where your notions of 'fair shares' leads.
>>55212995
Of course I would. One day man, one day.
>>55213225
I've always wondered what it feels like to be a luddite, care to tell me, since you're one?
>>55213176
>Americans get to pay for the rest of the first world's "muh free healthcare"
>>55213243
Thats how economics work. Of course the American government favors the wealthy, it helps boom their economy which in terms keeps the country a powerhouse on a global scale.
If you want to become one that is favored, make a lot of money doing anything (legal) necessary.
If not then just sit on your ass hoping for the minimum wage to be raised because "need more money the top 10% has to much!"
go ahead and vote Bernie Sanders come election you cultural Marxist.
>>55211767
>make sure you pay your friendly neighbour charity a visit, they need your sheke - I mean help
the catholic church helped us more than any other group when our house burned down
>>55212925
It's not really about your right not to work. It's about your parents right to give the wealth they've accumulated to their children, which everyone supports. You might be a scumfuck but your parents were obviously intelligent people who leveraged what they had to create something better. You're just the beneficiary of that and I couldn't care less whether entitled brats become millionaires because of their inheritance because the right to give your children a lifetime of accumulated wealth is good for everyone from rich to poor.
>>55213437
Yes, I understand the value of their work, but is it 380 fucking times that of the average worker? Are their skills that valuable and exclusive? Or is it more likely that they just want more money and get more money?
>>55211899
how would you permanently solve wealth inequality?
>>55206951
>You don't think that these people earned their money
No, I do not.
>>55213314
Management isn't hard and it's not necessary to a company's survival, contrary to popular belief.
Companies fail when management overtakes the decisions of their engineers/scientists (Higher intelligent people who are paid less). Think of HP, ford, motorola, AMD, and countless other companies.
The funny thing is that the companies that bounce back from unprofitability all cut down on management and gave their engineers and scientists complete control of which products to sell. Ford is a big one after their most recent bankruptcy. AMD also fired almost all their management and gave their engineers complete control over the Zen architecture for 2016.
Again, management isn't necessary and often kills companies.
>>55213073
Again, are we living in motherfucking Star Trek?
>>55213484
Listen faggot, as I've already expressed multiple times in this thread, it doesn't matter how hard I fuck up or how lazy I am. I will be a millionaire by the time my kids are in high school. My mother votes for people that are fucking over poor people because she's intelligent enough to sort through bullshit rhetoric and PR to find real intent unlike you drooling white trash. Keep defending your lack of money, seriously I love it.
>>55212397
>What's sad is that I'll be rich no matter how much of a lazy entitled scummy fuck I want to be
yet not richer than the source of your wealth, your ancestors who actually worked
>>55213437
CEOs aren't really needed. Placing too much importance on management leaves companies unprofitable.
Why is it that all the successful American companies that were nearly bankrupt a few years back cut down on management and gave complete freedom to their engineers?
>>55213560
>but is it 380 fucking times that of the average worker?
Yes you ignorant bafoon.
Why aren't you bitching about how football players make tens of millions of dollars I mean all they do is run down a field and catch/throw a ball anyone can do that amirite?
>>55213577
>No, I do not.
You've bought into a socialist myth then. The vast majority of the 1% were born into middle class families and created their wealth via owning a business or being in a high paying profession (Surgeon, Lawyer, Executive). There are very few in the 1% who are there because they didn't do anything to earn their wealth.
>>55213568
>end the war on drugs
>end corporate welfare
>make them fucking pay for their parasitic actions
>tell Americans the truth about how our foreign policy works
>campaign finance reform
>restore the constitution
>no more black domestic operations
>>55213560
Doesn't matter what you or I think; we're not the ones paying them. Those complaining about whatever they're paid are in voluntary agreements with their employers; no one is forcing them to receive less than they think they're worth. I could bring up why 'wage slavery' is retarded too, but I won't.
If they think they're worth more, they can either invest in themselves or take the risks required to start a business of their own.
>>55213704
>CEOs aren't really needed.
Riiight.
>Placing too much importance on management leaves companies unprofitable.
Of course. That's why the most successful companies have CEOs.
>>55213718
I mean that's pretty bullshit too.
>>55212925
>My family was poor when before I was 8 years old,and then both parents became millionaires almost simultaneously
so you realize this negates all your previous comments right? and proves all the "poorfags defending you" correct?
>>55213629
bad management often kills companies
unnecessary middle management creates inefficiencies and costs
good management is absolutely required for a successful business to grow
>>55213813
Why?
>>55213780
M8.. Management costs and even marketing costs are served by the customer. Every time you buy food at the super market these costs are included in the price. So you are, indeed, paying them.
>>55213104
If it weren't for libertarianism I would have never bought bitcoin at pennies
>>55213780
CEOs are just guinea pigs to mock when things go bad. They're not responsible for the success of companies. Only engineers are non-management people are.
We see time and time again that when CEOs and management actually start trying to influence business, the business goes bankrupt or nearly bankrupt.
>>55213823
My parents are geniuses combined with incredible inhuman drive. They are not normal humans. Other people can not be held to the same standard that my parents are.
>>55213314
No shit. With more automation only a kuck would think that it's fair that the top recessives the benefits of more efficient work. Workers should benefit in some way.
There is nothing wrong with sharing the spoils of more efficient work. If you disagree you are bluepilled, and I feel sorry for you. I am in the process of transitioning into a project management role from technical work as a mechanical engineer, I make good money. I worked in the service sector while working through school and I can say without doubt, I wouldn't do retail work at the price I'm being paid now. I don't know how anyone can live with the meager wages being paid to lower skilled workers. The fact is that the world will always need low paid/skilled labour, there is nothing wrong with being compassionate and encouraging companies to think about those lowest down on the totem pole.
>>55213376
statism needs tax yes, but not governance
>>55213629
>Companies fail when management overtakes the decisions of their engineers/scientists
Uh, no. Engineers/Scientists might have detailed knowledge about the product they're creating but they sure as hell don't have any idea about how to successfully run a business.
>>55213912
You're lucky. I wish my parents were smart even if we wouldn't be rich.
>>55213859
Incorrect. You probably need one person to take the blame if things go bad (CEO), but all the decision-making should be left to smarter people like the engineers. That's how ford is now profitable and why AMD will make a comeback next year with their Zen architecture.
>>55213629
Don't get me wrong, too much bureaucracy isn't good either, but you're a fool if you seriously believe this.
>>55213457
>I've always wondered what it feels like to be a luddite, care to tell me, since you're one?
well I use bitcoin as much as possible to get around taxes
first time I have been called a luddite for it
>>55213862
That's the least of my concerns honestly.
>>55213758
Exactly. Leftists cry about the 1% running the show, when really it's the .00001%
>>55213962
The successful companies are those that pay management to sit there and do nothing and leave the business to engineers.
Look at Ford.
>>55213956
I seriously have trouble finding people who are even close to their level of intelligence an animalistic drive.
>>55207637
This is almost verbatim what everyone who isn't a fuck up does. Dedicate time to education and employment, continue to look for better opportunities, move and take advantage of them when they show up.
It's so refreshing to see someone who actually wrote about this. It's exactly what I did but I could never put it into words.
In the meantime all the people I see bitching about "THE 1% OMG" on facebook are the same dipshits that continue to work at Panera Bread and never actually try anything.
Good on you anon.
>>55213704
>CEOs aren't really needed
So, no managers are needed. A CEO is little more than the manager of a manager who manages other managers who in turn manage managers. Although here in the UK I am classed as a CEo as I emlpoy more than 5 people full time.
>>55213774
>make them fucking pay for their parasitic actions
with what? whatever group you use to "make them pay" you have now created the same inequity you are trying to solve
>>55213912
>Other people can not be held to the same standard that my parents are.
And that sir Is what leads to coddled entitled and stagant fucks like the niggers in cities like Detroit and Baltimore.
>>55213999
Answer the question yid.
You said professional athletes(many of whom grew up poor) making tens of millions of dollars is bullshit.
Why?
>>55214002
It's the .1%.
>>55213480
>uses terms like "belongs to them" and "committing a crime"
>implying these things are outside the law
>not realizing that property and crime are legal constructs
ok m8
>>55213958
>those super smart engineers/scientists aren't managing how they produce
you have a very limited view of management
>>55213672
I still don't get the point you are trying to make. Some form of passive aggressive "GUYS IM RICH THANKS TO CAPITALISM BUT FUCK CAPITALISM AMIRIGHT?"
I already agreed with you. You deserve your inherited wealth because your parents gained it. And like I said before, life isn't fair. if you are reaping the benefits from this system then fuck everyone else. You do whats best for you and your family, because at the end of the day that's all that matters.
But if you really give a shit about poor minorities then give away your wealth and vote Sanders.
>>55213774
That does little for wealth inequality though, you still have a long way to go.
>>55213912
If you've only had your parents as parents, how would you know? the claim is not falsifiable
>>55214084
I'm not advocating welfare, I'm just saying that expecting any average person to attain the success of my rabid genius parents isn't a good idea. They will fail.
As for athletes, I just think the concept of them being paid so much to play a game is bullshit, I'm not really talking about that in the first place though.
literally half this thread is niggers mad that other people are more successful then them
>>55213923
>No shit. With more automation only a kuck would think that it's fair that the top recessives the benefits of more efficient work.
Why? If the company owns the hardware/software that allows that efficiency they're just getting reward for their investment. Why does the worker deserve more compensation for a productivity increase that has nothing to do with their level of work and everything to do with what type of technology they're using? You're saying that workers deserve more money not for working harder, but simply for being the beneficiaries of better technology? So if quantum computers come along and increase productivity even more then it's the workers who deserve the rewards of that increased productivity and not the people who pay for the computers? Your position makes zero sense
>>55212824
You're 100$ dollars retarded. He means they increased the educational budget so much but it still could not help you comprehend what he said.
>>55214074
Yup. As someone who worked for a prominent tech company who gave complete control to engineers, I stick by my assertion that managers are worthless.
There is probably one alpha engineer who comes up with a good engineering design, but he's a senior engineer, not a manager. We trust his expertise and work on making his designs a reality.
The management just sits around pretending to work.
Our company was unprofitable when management actually tried to do something. Then our CEO told our managers to fuck off and gave us the reigns on product development. Now we're profitable again. Even the CEO doesn't do jackshit. He checks up on us to make sure we're doing our jobs, but doesn't do anything.
>>55205617
the way it fucking should be
poor people are poor for a reason
>>55211840
Nice counter-argument retard
>>55213511
>the catholic church helped us more than any other group when our house burned down
not bashing charity in general m8, I'm only bashing the corporations that appeal to emotion to make you pay some money that doesn't even end up where you think it does (Greece is full of "charities" like that, and I imagine the rest of the world is too). Also, I despise those charity galas which allow corrupt fucks to pay a meager fraction of their money and get forgiven for their sins, because the rest of us goys think that's a lot of money.
Not gonna bash the catholic church and whether it does god's work or not either - Greece is mainly orthodox, and while the rich fucks are corrupt as fuck, I'm gladly giving what I can to some specific religious organizations I personally trust
>>55214127
You have it backwards.
Law arose to defend life liberty and property which existed before law.
You're suggesting that people before the rose of the state never owned anything nor committed crimes.
Your attributing a God complex upon the state with this suggestion
>>55214142
I don't want to give away wealth nor do I think it's unfair. I'm just telling you that the game is obviously fucking rigged and anyone who isn't rich in this thread who is defending it is bluepilled as all fuck.
>>55214168
I've met a lot of people. I rarely find any that are intelligent or driven as my parents. They are freaks of nature.
>>55214280
>>55211840
PAY DEBTS
>>55214278
>>55214280
>>55214324
>>55214332
stay mad wagekeks
>>55214062
sounds like they are literal animals
are you a furry?
>>55214332
Pay corporate debt.
>>55214055
Since when does Ford not have management?
And Ford is relatively successful (compared to other domestic automakers) because they borrowed some money at just the right time, which allowed them to weather the recession far better than others like GM.
It was, by the way, a manager, not an engineer, who had the foresight and vision to realize that they might need it and ask for this money.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/30134908
I mean don't get me wrong engineers and other jobs are important too. The fact is that they're all necessary for a business to function and be successful.
>>55214261
How big is your company? I don't see how this kind of structure is feasible for any organization with more than 20 employees. Who is doing the budgeting and assigning the projects? The idea that you can have engineers sitting around directing their own work and have them all working towards the same goal without any kind of management structure at all isn't really believable.
>>55214140
They are managing what they produce. It's just that we're working successfully without a manager.
Look at AMD and what happened when management interfered with the engineers. AMD was killing Intel back in the 1990s and 2000s when Jim Keller was there with their K7/K8 and x64 designs. Then they let managers decide which products to produce and they started failing.
When Jim Keller returned to AMD back in 2012, the CEO told management to fuck off and not interfere. AMD has a killer CPU architecture for next year. None of the management had a say in what the engineers produced. It was entirely engineers managing themselves.
>>55214066
this holy shit
both my parents were very poor, never took anything like welfare and followed a similar route to successs
>>55214203
> They will fail.
Maybe and it doesn't matter if they do or don't. Holding people to the highest standards drives them to better themselves shown over and over again.
>As for athletes, I just think the concept of them being paid so much to play a game is bullshit
Answer the question.
You're just saying the same thing with ore words
Explain why you think its bullshit.
The fact that you can't is telling that you have very little understanding of this topic which is directly related to why ceos make what they do.
70% of people who win the lottery end up in poverty before they die
That tells you more than any graph ever could about "inequality"
>>55214493
What are you talking about? It is feasible for all companies, big and small.
It happened with ford and AMD.
Management isn't necessary for any company to survive. The engineers can run the company on their own without a leader.
>>55213314
>I can assure you that is not because burger flippers have gotten better at their jobs. It's because of computerization, and more recently, automation. Who deserves the biggest slice of the pie for implementing the things that make a business more efficient? Management and owners
Ill grant that senpai but how is everyone else to survive? Are we all just gonna get management gigs?
Yet you'll still see my countrymen out in droves to let us know how 15 dollar an hour minimum wage would end our economy
>>55214429
Any engineer doing a cost-benefit analysis would have done the same thing. The CEO was also an engineer.
>>55214326
now we've come in a full circle
>>55213484
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm coming to the realization that you have no real point. You're just spewing bullshit to make yourself seem more intelligent then everyone else because you "know" the system far better then anyone else.
what I got from you so far is "GUYS THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED BECAUSE I INHERIT A LOT OF WEALTH FROM MY FAMILY BUT ITS ALSO STUPID BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE CAN BECOME RICH BECAUSE ITS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE AND RIGGED!"
>>55214519
no one cares, jimmy
>>55214608
People said the same shit when farming because largely mechanicalized and the population went from something like 90% working in agriculture to 1% in a couple of decades.
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One thing I dont get is, why ceo's who work so much need so much money.
I mean, your head should be fucked up with shit like how to manage your personal, law suits, new investements, checking data and statistics, making hardcore partnership. Talking to tons of a shit load of people and answering important messages.
What do you even do with 1million shekels in a month when your day starts at 6 in the morning and it ends at 10 pm.
There are two types of "bosses", the once you never see that talk through their pawns, or the ones that are there all the time, talking straight to people in the face.
Maybe its because Im too poor to get to the more higher level where I see the bosses I never saw because they have even more to do and just cut their attention to more important things.
>>55214695
The smart CEOs realized that management is useless and left the business to the engineers.
The managers are mostly do-nothing paperpushers.
>>55214607
>Management isn't necessary for any company to survive.
This isn't even remotely true and if you seriously believe it you're retarded. Management is at the core of what allows a business to be successful. What you're describing is a hands off management style in limited circumstances.
Engineers are fucking terrible at running business. I say that as an accountant who has to liase with people in order to get their business running more efficiently. There's a reason why executives and CEOs are the top paid employees of any company, because good ones mean the difference between success and failure.
>>55214537
Yeah, turns out that holding people to a standard that the vast majoirty of people can't achieve is a waste of fucking time.
>>55214638
Listen man, if you don't accept that the system is rigged for the rich, you are blue-pilled as fuck. This doesn't bother me, it's the norm. The thing is when you come on 4chan and tell people you have some deeper level of understanding of societies machinations when you ignore how much rich people fuck over everyone else, often while using the gov itself, you are retarded as fuck.
>>55214619
>it's real.simple goyim
Then why did the rest of the motor companies not do this?
>>55214684
That didn't just happen smoothly though, there was a fuck ton of social unrest followed by society (via the government) adapting itself to the new reality of industrialization
>>55214828
> Management is at the core of what allows a business to be successful
No, management is at the core of what makes businesses fail. Look American auto companies, HP, AMD, and countless others who let management take the reigns of development.
>Engineers are fucking terrible at running business. I say that as an accountant who has to liase with people in order to get their business running more efficiently.
Engineers are far more likely than others to become CEOs and C-level executives. CEOs and executives aren't worth their pay, and anyone smart who controls wages in a company would understand that and cut down on management pay.
>>55214873
>if you don't accept that the system is rigged for the rich, you are blue-pilled as fuck.
t. guy who thinks he's not going to be bankrupt 3 years after his parents die
>>55213758
It depends on whether you're referring to the top 1% of income, or the top 1% of wealth.
The cutoff for the top 1% of income is around $380,000 annually; for wealth, it's a net worth of around $8.4 million.
The income level is more easily attainable. As a lawyer myself, I'll tell you that in order to make that salary, you'll basically have to make partner in a big firm. It's still a long shot, but it's doable; you could have that level of income by the time you're in your mid 30s. The wealth level, on the other hand, would take significantly longer; but if you get the income level, the wealth should follow.
However, there's relatively few of these lawyers, and they don't account for the massive overall discrepancies in wealth in the US. Working professionals like lawyers and doctors are small change compared to financiers. And in any case, I can tell you from experience that relatively few elite lawyers, bankers, etc are "bootstrap" types. I know people whose parents spent 5 or even 6 figures on LSAT prep.
>>55214897
Because they let management control engineers and not the other way around like all successful businesses do.
CEOs and management should know their place. They are only scapegoats to take the blame for something bad, nothing else. It's when management get delusions of grandeur about their important that businesses fail.
>>55214991
Yeah man I'm not retarded. I'm not blowing several million dollars in 3 years.
>>55215003
>As a lawyer myself
>>55214873
>Yeah, turns out that holding people to a standard that the vast majoirty of people can't achieve is a waste of fucking time
Can we cut with the empty platitudes.
Niggers like you would have us living the stone age because "it's a waste of time we'll never advance past this". Holding people to high standards is proven to get them to improve themselves and has a generational impact. Why do you think millennials are such shit overall? It's because we've been coddled and held to standard that are extremely low.
Also again you refused to answer a very simple question to explain your beliefs which shows that you don't actually have any you're just parroting bullshit.
Why do you think it's bullshit that professional athletes(or famous actors musicians etc) make the money they do?
>>55215037
>Because they let management control engineers and not the other way around like all successful businesses do.
That isn't what Ford did.
You clearly ignored the argument and evidence that the other anon presented in favor of repeating yourself
>>55215126
Anon. Genetics play a serious role in the general intelligence of people. We're talking at least 50%. Expecting people to somehow exceed their limited level of intelligence is fucking impossible.
>Why do you think it's bullshit that professional athletes(or famous actors musicians etc) make the money they do?
I'm not talking about entertainers, I'm talking about business owners.
>>55214873
>Yeah, turns out that holding people to a standard that the vast majoirty of people can't achieve is a waste of fucking time.
There are people in this thread more wealthy than your parents, so I think that your idea that "It's impossible, don't even bother trying!" falls flat.
>>55215169
Ford's CEO is an engineer and thinks like an engineer.
Again, management is worthless, and pay isn't a good metric for value you bring to a company or society.
Anyone can be a good manager. Just sit back and let the smarter people do all the work.
>>55215241
Anon do you live in the United States?
>>55214695
You do realize that for everything you listed there is actually a work position, right?
When you got 1 billion you don't waste your time checking your corporation; you just pay some guy 1 million, and he'll be more than happy to do it for you
>>55215041
You sound retarded as fuck if you think you and the rest of your decedents can be millionaire forever just because your parents have a lot of money.
>>55215231
>Expecting people to somehow exceed their limited level of intelligence is fucking impossible.
So?
Intelligence rises as people better themselves due to higer standards put on them. Again this is proven
>I'm not talking about entertainers, I'm talking about business owners.
The question is related.
And you directly said that entertainers making that much is bullshit.
Explain why.
It really is a simple request to ask you to explain your beliefs.
Or are you going to continue to prove my point that you're a lemming?
To all the people here who think pay is a good measure of value, why do garbage men make $300k?
>>55215310
It's objectively easier to become wealthy in the US than any other country in the world. That is if you have a good business plan and the knowledge about how to implement it.
>>55215459
unions
>>55215335
I was talking about myself, not descendants. I'm just expressing the reality that I don't have to work a tough day in my entire fucking life in order to end up a millionaire by the time I'm 45 or 50.
>>55215459
Isn't the question self evident? Unless it's payed by the taxpayer, garbage man really worth a lot.
>>55215255
>Ford's CEO is an engineer and thinks like an engineer.
But he wasn't an engineer he was a CEO.
You've just fully conceded the argument that "if companies just let their engineers do everything and the CEO just sat back things would be peachy" because Ford survived because of good decisions made by their CEO.
The fact that he has an engineering degree isn't relevant to him being the CEO and making CEO decisions which saved the company.
Gg no re
>>55215547
And your kids?
>>55215546
So what about bullshit management jobs in the private sector that came from nepotism?
>>55215459
Because it's considered a bad job and not many people would do it without that level of compensation? That's kind of how the labor market works.
>>55215412
You could try as hard as you fucking can and you will still never be as intelligent or driven as my mother or father.
Anon, really entertainers are my least concern. I see their wealth as unfair, but that's not what my societal view is based on.
>>55215594
I will do my best of them. Truly irrelevant for my point. I could be a lazy scummy loser fuck and still be a millionaire.
>>55215547
Honestly I am sure you're just a Sanders shill falseflagging.
>>55215625
>You could try as hard as you fucking can and you will still never be as intelligent or driven as my mother or father
That's a really shitty ad hominem and projection.
I'm getting that you have serious self esteem issues and don't think you can fill your parents shoes.
>Anon, really entertainers are my least concern. I see their wealth as unfair, but that's not what my societal view is based on.
>their wealth is unfair
Why?
Inb4 repeating the zerosum game fallacy to the T.
This shit was debunked a couple of centuries ago.
>>55215565
You can call him whatever he wants. Ford's engineer CEO succeeded because he told management to fuck off and worked with his engineers. Management = useless.
>>55215613
LAWL...
A single NYC garbage man job posting gets nearly 100+k applicants. You can drop the pay to 50k and you'd still have a surplus of applicants.
>>55215674
>I could be a lazy scummy loser fuck and still be a millionaire.
And your parents wealth would be gone in a generation.
That was the hue hue hue's point dumbass
>>55215731
No anon. I'm telling you straight up. The level of g that my parents inherited and their visceral brain activation is so high that your normal person can't come fucking close to their capabilities.
>>55215625
Why is it that you're more concerned with people who create wealth and jobs oppose to people who accrue wealth? There's not a lot of ways to get rich without having to hire people.
Also, NYC Elevator Mechanics for the government pull 350k.
Where is the "Pay is what you're worth" people now?
>>55215738
>You can call him whatever he wants. Ford's engineer CEO succeeded because he told management to fuck off and worked with his engineers. Management = useless.
That isn't what he did.
Again you're just repeating yourself and ignored evidence which proved this talking point wrong.
Actually read the link anon posted.
>>55214429
>>55215820
>is so high that your normal person can't come fucking close to their capabilities
And? I've already explained this to you why it doesn't matter and isn't an excuse to hold people to low standards.
You've also failed to address my question.
Again
>>55215860
That is what he did. There is a biography of the CEO detailing what happened inside Ford in their darkest years.
Alan spoke with the ford engineers and said they are the reason for America's standard of living.
>>55215459
>why do garbage men make $300k?
Where? In New York of San Francisco or something? I have some relatives who own a smaller (covers 3 or 4 counties I think) trash collection business and pretty sure they don't even clear $300k profit/year.
Anyway to answer the question
1. Cost of living and therefore wages tend to be are higher in New York and other huge cities
2. Unions can artificially inflate wages
>>55215838
I'm not saying take their money away, I'm telling you that a large portion of their wealth increase was faciliated by government corruption and everyone's aversion to that reality is a great indication of being blue-pilled.
>>55215820
>The level of g that my parents inherited and their visceral brain activation is so high that your normal person can't come fucking close to their capabilities.
Kek. You got a good haul
>>55215935
I'm saying you should hold people to realistic standards and your question about entertainers is largely irrelevant to my societal views.
>>55215952
>That is what he did.
Except it isn't.
Ford survived through the crash due to managerial decisions completely unrelated to "let the engineers work" which without they would have ended up like GM.
>>55215738
>Ford's engineer CEO succeeded because he told management to fuck off and worked with his engineers.
You've repeated this like a dozen times in this thread, but I've yet to see a link or anything backing up this claim.
Please show me where did this.
>>55215847
A good argument for why the private sector is more efficient than the public sector.
>>55216002
Nigga I'm insane and intelligent at the same time. I inherited their insanity and intelligence, it's rough and if i doesn't find a good outlet I could become a monster.
>>55216071
Ford survived because they let their engineers decide which cars to make, making them competitive with the nips. It has nothing to do with management, unless you count useless overpaid managers sitting on their asses and not getting in the way of important people.
>>55216232
Source?
>>55216060
>I'm saying you should hold people to realistic standards
No one knows what "realistic standards" are.
Faggots like you are the same type that have lead to what niggers in Detroit Chicago etc have devolved into despite since the end of slavery up until the instilling of low standards and victim complex lead to the current shitstorm.
People said that blacks becoming widely literate after slavery was impossible.
But in one generation the literacy rate among blacks went from.around 20% to well over 75% with zero access to public schools.
>your question about entertainers is largely irrelevant to my societal views.
It is completely relevant.
Your reluctance to answer tells me what I've already explained and that is that you don't actually have any beliefs you're just parroting shit like a lemming.
>>55216232
>Ford survived because they let their engineers decide which cars to make, making them competitive with the nips
Again.
Read
>>55214429
Your statement is objectively false
>>55216095
Ok, then explain to me how the wealthiest blacks have the same SAT scores as the poorest whites.
One academic believes this is due to the smartest blacks, still somewhat incompetent, being promoted over more competent whites.
I thought higher pay meant you were more useful to society and the company than someone who makes less?
Check mate, you clown.
>>55216358
>affirmative action and quota systems imposed on companies by the state somehow proves that private companies are at fault for acting in a way they otherwise wouldn't
