>the top 1 percent in America hold 40% of the nation's wealth
>the also have 50% of America's stocks, bonds and mutual funds.
>take home 24% of nations income
>in 1970 they took home 9%
>an average American CEO makes 380 times more money than the average worker in HIS/HER company
>bottom 80 percent of America, hold just 7% of the nations wealth,
>that's 8 out of every 10 citizens
>also own just 0.5% of America stocks, bonds and mutual funds.
https://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM
As long as I have enough for my needs, why should I care that other people have more than me?
>>55205617
And still ameriburgers are like
>YEAH I WANNA PAY 100k TO FIX MUH ARM, BECAUSE WE MUST KEEP TAXES LOW FOR MUH 1%
>>55205658
because if these trends continue, you won't.
>>55205658
You don't care that 80% of America isn't investing in its own nation?
>>55205658
>as long as I'm good now, I don't need to think the economic crisis future generations will experience
That's basically what you said you fucking moron
>>55205784
how did you draw that conclusion?
>>55205617
>them lazy, entitled bastards
>>55205617
>>55205617
The worst part about this shit is that the 1% play reverse Robin Hood with subsidies
>>55205725
>because if these trends continue, you won't.
/thread
>>55205617
>Muh shekels
Fuck of back to r/politics faggot
>>55206466
>play reverse Robin Hood
Reverse Robin Hood is giving money to the government dipshit
>>55206716
no, its taking from poor and giving the rich. What part of robin hood don't you understand?
>>55206716
Robin Hood took from the rich and gave to the poor. Thus reverse Robin Hood would be from poor to the rich. This is exactly what happens with Tax Loopholes, buying off politicians, subsidies, etc.
No wonder you're this stupid. All the money came out of the education system so retards like you would defend the rich fucks
>>55205617
So you're proposing we just take their money then because somehow you deserve it more.
Funny how only burger flippers care about this. I have had no problem earning money by working hard, investing in education and industry skills, and looking for better jobs when I'm qualified and want one.
Gibs go back to le reddit pls
Its true that most muricans eat garbage, wait cancer and recieve niger tier education?
>>55206797
>>55206769
No Robin Hood took the taxes the government collected and gave it back to the people
>All the money came out of the education
Good it is just shitty cultural marxist indoctrination
Educate your own kids
What is the poverty line?
What is this distribution compared to other nations?
Do poor people genuinely not want other people to own companies or have very valuable investments?
Wealth isn't finite.
Them getting more dosn't mean you get less.
>>55205617
>this fucking thread.
Holy shit. You don't think that these people earned their money, and have the right to do whatever they want with it?
If you're going to take money away from the rich, then what's the point of climbing the economic ladder? There is none. It takes away incentive.
All of you authoritarian Socialist fuckers can drown in your self pity. I'll be comfortable with my 60K a year while you're crying "MUH BENEFITZ; GIBS ME DAT FREE STAFF"
>>55205784
Why not close loopholes so they can't take advantage? Or do you think you should have that money just "because"?
>>55206818
The problem is the super rich in this country don't do so because of a free market, but rather government subsidies and other federal and state policies. It's literally cronyism. We have a class of oligarchs as bad as Russia. The only difference is that we have a bigger economy and better access to trade and stuff due to a strong currency propped up on the shoulders of a global sphere of influence enforced by our military.
>>55206818
The system is so rigged towards the rich, that the vast majority of US citizens that are in abject poverty can't lift themselves up by their bootstraps
Odds are you came from a middle class family, and that has helped you up. Try growing up in a ghetto or in rural Alabama
1% of population is still over 3 million people. And doesn't account for all who are dependants (children of, wives of, etc) that 1%. Quit whining and start making something of yourself
>>55206949
It does when it's literally taking your taxes and using them to subsidize the rich and their interests.
>>55206466
> taking less is giving
top fucking kek
>>55206967
They have been trying to close the tax-holes for 20 years but the government changes every fucking election, so nothing ever happens.
>>55206919
>cultural marxist indoctrination
Literally what, get brainwashed more conservashit. If anything we're taught national pride in schools
>>55206900
Yes we have the third largest population in the world and more white people than any other country, but we have been using our media propaganda to lie about the squalor that all of us live in.
>>55206900
I wonder how can you spend your whole life without eating some sweet sweet Eastern European potatoes.
>>55207045
>anything we're taught national pride in schools
HAHAHAHAAHHAAH
How old are you?
I was born in '82 and even then is was all anti white/american crap
>top 10% pay 70% of the taxes
>liberals still bitch about wanting more of their money to pay for Laquisha's 14 kids and trying to continue the social security ponzi scheme
And the difference between a 1%er and the average American is less than the difference between the average Bangladeshi and the average American. I guess Bangladeshi people should be able to force Americans to pay them a living wage
>>55207076
Laba diena little sprota so mad))
Main lithuanian food is potatoes too. I didnt like potato, I like buckweat
>>55205617
>>take home 24% of nations income
That's the only figure that matters.
>>bottom 80 percent of America, hold just 7% of the nations wealth,
But how much INCOME do they take home?
Normal people don't accumulate wealth because they spend everything they make and even get loans/mortgages to spend future income.
But that's their choice, and doesn't mean they don't have a high quality of life.
>>55206900
Come to America and find out. If you can afford the plane ticket. Bring some of your mail order brides with you.
>liberals want globalization
>get mad when owners of global companies make more than them
>>55207042
They're gonna pay
>>55205920
Why would I care? I don't have kids, I don't want kids. If the future is fucked well, not my fault I don't give a damn.
>>55205617
according to your information there is a 81 to 99 percentile that holds 53% of the nation's wealth. I want to know who these more anonymous almost billionaires are. I bet most of them have more power than the muh 1%
>>55207212
I was being unironically serious, I head potatoes past east taste like rubber.
I just love potatoes, I thought you might also like them.
Fucking Bulbašas.
>>55207335
Not at all, they're not the ones pouring millions into campaign contributions. That "free speech" is the most destructive thing in America today
>be awesome bank
>give out nice loans to make some shekels
>shekels dont come in
>ooh veeeyilout
>wage slave pays
>mfw they think they have any right to my money I earned by working my nose... I-I mean ass off.
>>55207014
>implying the 1% got to where they are from hard work
Fucking kek
>>55205617
Socialism isn't the answer.
The rich will protect themselves, and the middle class will be robbed blind by the perma-welfares.
If you want a more equal income distribution, abolish the federal reserve, severely curtail immigration to the US, and stop flooding the labor market with college degrees.
Bigger government is never the answer, it only exacerbates the problem.
If you care more about inequality than median income you're retarded
>>55207405
Potato make your cognitive abilities slow.
>>55207134
They lay for 70% of the nations taxes cause of their enormous wealth you dumbass. If wealth was distributed at least 20% more evenly, other people could afford to pay more taxes.
>>55206998
>The system is so rigged towards the rich
What the fuck does this even mean? Are you saying that having a lot of money makes it easier for someone to have a lot of money?
>>55207295
This is the reason why America is crumbling
>>55207295
We're not talking about next generation, we're talking about the next decade or so...we assume you'll be around for then unless DOTR hits before then
>>55207457
>rich people get their money from magical Leprechaun gold
>>55206998
Nope I'm a U.S. citizen who grew up in the UK. My family tried to start a failing business there and borrowed money from bad people and got in deep shit. We abandoned everything and moved back to the U.S. to live in poverty. My parents tried to start their business again, did badly because they're idiots and we all suffered. They abused the untarnished records of my brother and I to commit loan and check fraud and destroyed our credit. We had to work shitty part time jobs and give up every penny to help my parents pay bills.
Fast forward and we got away from it. I rented a cheap apartment with my brother using minimum wage retail jobs. Went to community college and earned an AA with borrowed money. Transferred to a 4-year and borrowed more, but also worked full time to minimize debt. Graduated with an industry relevant degree but couldn't find a good job in a small college town. So I moved somewhere else with jobs available and found one. I gained experience and certifications in my field and have changed to better, and more challenging jobs with higher pay. I make good money and my student loans are manageable.
So nope, no silver spoon here. And some old friends on facebook are bitching and moaning about this 1% bullshit while still working in that shitty minimum wage retail establishment in their home town that I used briefly for income while in college.
>>55207542
Sounds far fetched, though cheapest eggs are my main source of food, but potatoes are becoming a rather large portion of my daily calorie intake.
Care to provide a paper on that?
>>55207555
I'm saying having a shit load of cash allows you to pay off politicians to keep all your cash by trashing the environment, destroying unions, and keeping the tax code so autistically complex that you can loophole through it.
>>55207619
>CEO of a company earns 380 times more money than one of his employees
Based on your logic the CEO works 380 times harder than the employee.
>>55206501
>wealthy income increases faster as a percent than everyone elses
>trend continues
>this somehow me and the poorer are losing the money
Libkek pie slice retard economics everyone
(Nobody tell Americans that even the poorest are in the 1% worldwide)
>>55207637
Too much work. Thanks for paying for my chicken tendies and fallout 4/star wars battlefront pre orders, wagekek
>>55206998
Aww did you have a bad childhood?
No one cares. If you have any intelligence start investing your time into how to make money.
However Bitching on pol about how hard a life you have is pretty much a guarantee you are are born loser.
>>55207736
> hard work
ever heard of value, commutard?
>>55207555
>Are you saying that having a lot of money makes it easier for someone to have a lot of money?
It is easier to make money through investment than through work.
And all investors combined earn more than all working people combined.
>>55207864
I've yet to meet a CEO who isn't a complete retard and losing his company shitloads of money.
>>55207940
> ceos ive met
you haven't met any american ceos
>>55205617
You do know this video outright lies (or got wrong )about the income distribution of Sweden tight?
>>55205920
Redistribution won't change that and would make the situation much worse as it would not only destroy the world economy alongside the American it would give power to a horrid authoritarian state.
We are facing a monetary crises due to idiot leftist raping our currency beyond recognition.
Woodrow Wilson poisoned this nation and until we rid this poison we will continue to slowly die as the Romans did.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=51CvlMEtf1A
>>55205617
just gave percentages not actually real wage rates. implying a lot of facts without putting real numbers. Standard Bernie Sanders fag info.
>>55207884
investing is a form of work. try not to include your made up definitions when trying to make an argument
>>55207884
Shut up aquafresh.
>>55206937
why should they even care?
>>55205617
We Mexico now.
You must not criticize the Patrones, OP, they are better than peones like us.
>>55207637
If the 1% weren't raping the economy by shipping jobs overseas and hoarding cash it would've been easier for you. I don't doubt all that hard work paid off, but it could have, and should have, been easier for you. And what would you rather have, some fat cat with an extra trillion in his coffers doing nothing, or people on the streets actually prospering?
>>55208081
>investing is a form of work.
Not if you hire people to do make all the investment decisions.
>>55208081
Not necessarily, plenty of passive investments.
>>55208282
I see too many people not even trying and acting like it's everyone else's fault.
>>55207678
Cheapest egs shitty to. I get egs in village. Big differense
>>55208352
Glad you got keked by the1% so that you can defend them. I'm fucking glad that you can sit on this image board and cry "YU NEED TO WURK HARDER!" just because the 1% told you that's how to get rich. Give me a fucking break. You're the slave here to corporate cock. I hope you enjoy it when they blow a load all over your face, then tell you to clean it up because "work makes you free"
>>55208352
Why post if you don't have an argument?
>>55207547
>if same amount of wealth was distributed differently, we'd get roughly the same amount of taxes
Thanks captain obvious
>>55205617
funny how wealth is measured. I'm sure that if you removed all sort of luxuries and excesses, both personal and business related, from the top 1%, they'd still hold 37% or so of the nation's wealth
>let's take away that wealth from the rich guys
>let's literally destroy
>jobs
>infraestructure
>resources
>>55207542
>Potato make your cognitive abilities slow.
Is this what your dictator says when the people complain there er no potatoes?
>>55208444
You're honestly not helping your case by spazzing out over a meme.
>>55208480
Why aren't you gathering up Mario and Javier to construct the partition between Mexico and the US?
Americans are wealthier than the rest of the worlds population. Should wealth be redistributed to them as well?
Such is the way of life. There are winners and there are losers. Egalitarian utopian are pipe dream because people of any color simply are not wired that way. The idea that we could make every one equal in every way is fucking ridiculous. It's in our tribal nature to be better to have more and just generally out compete the asshole next to him. Some people have the drive and determination and most don't.
>>55205658
He gets it
There's literally nothing wrong with wealth being controlled by a Jewish millionaires and billionaires.
>>55208585
>Undermurican shitskins country
>Call belarus ubermansh Emperor dictator
Kek
>>55205617
reminder that 70ish percent of the american population doesn't pay taxes and OP is likely one of them.
What about tax inequity?
The rich are stolen from an a huge rate and the poor are given the stolen money!
>>55207025
>implying those taxes would have gone to the public instead
>>55205617
Let us rephrase this in more positive terms.
Less than 15% of the population is in poverty.
25% are working poor.
40% are in the middle class with enough money to sustain themselves and advance their children's futures.
20% are wealthy and have few concerns about money.
1% have achieved so much they are in a class all their own. They own the businesses and land that employee and support the other 99%.
Looks pretty comfy to me. 10% of the "rich" should be upper middle class, which leaves only 10% truly rich individuals.
That's right goy, you see all those successful investors and bankers who create massive amounts of wealth? They don't deserve that wealth.
You should give it to AIPAC - uh, I mean, "the government". We bureaucrats and lobbyists will distribute it perfectly fairly, and you too will be able to get a ferrari and mansion.
You just have to vote Bernie 2016! You'd be meshuggah to do otherwise! :^)
>>55206435
That green dot on the border of Texas. Is that exclusively from Eagle Ford Shale? Holy shit.
>>55209094
Sure thing
>>55205617
Richest of rich tend to have more money than the poorest of poor? Holy shit, what a surprise!
The CEO who has to manage a shitton of things gets paid more than some random fucker on an assembly line? Holy shit! Smash the system! This is sick!
We need marxist communism in America RIGHT NOW! That will fix EVERYTHING!
Literally no one with a brain cares how much money the top 1% make.
>>55208863
>not even allowed to call his dictator a dictator.
Wow, Belarus really is a dictatorship huh?
>>55207028
Imagine you're in a room with 100 people. Everyone in the room has to put $20 in a box, except for one man, who only has to put $5 in the box.
Now imagine that instead of that, everyone in the room puts $20 in the box, but after everyone leaves, one guy is given $15.
Now tell me what the difference between those two scenarios is.
>>55206466
>he thinks the fossil fuel industry gets more direct subsidies than the renewable energy sector
>>55208081
You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
>>55205617
Actual distribution fo world wealth would look the same with all of the US as the 1%, and so fuckign what
>>55205658
Because the current system is based on them profiting, not you, pits you into a circle of bad credit, and entails you having to pay your hard earned money if they fuck up their plans of getting wealth from you.
>>55206949
In the long run, yes. But in the short run, for all intents and purposes as far as you're concerned, it sort of is. The Fed can't exactly print endless money to solve financial crises; you know that.
>>55209650
>Brainwashed kid thinks that he change some face in EU parliament and get real changes
Kekeke
>>55209799
>Because the current system is based on them profiting, not you, pits you into a circle of bad credit, and entails you having to pay your hard earned money if they fuck up their plans of getting wealth from you.
So how is this fixed
>>55208029
They're not stupid, they're legitimately fucking you over, very cunningly at that.
>>55207168
I don't see why not. We exploit the shit out of their labor pool
>>55209853
Economic pluralism as opposed to blind neo-classical decision making.
>>55209973
>>55209709
Well, in these scenarios you say that everyone HAS to put in $20, but what if they don't have that to start with? What's the benefit of putting in the money (let's just say that it's so they don't go to jail). So if the guy only has $10 on him, in the first scenario he is able to put the money in. In the second scenario he is penalized.
How long does it take between giving the $20 and getting the $15 back? Is there anything better that person could have done with his $15 in the mean time? Is he missing out on some sort of opportunity because he put all his money into the box but hasn't gotten his refund yet?
>>55209795
Unless you're living in pure opulence having your arsecheeks wiped by a pair of albino siamese twins, you should understand that you're not only suffering from stockholm syndrome, you're also limiting your own growth as an economy.
>>55210104
I legitimately don't understand what's funny about this. Do you enjoy stockholm syndrome too?
>>55205617
Good for them. They sound very successful.
>>55205617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi8clPrg7kc
>>55206951
>Increase immigration from mexico and other poor /low IQ people worldwide
>Surprised when the wealth gap increases
Wealth distribution would only work if we made people of certain income levels have a lot of children. Poor people are usually poor because they are bad with money. This is the reason why black athletes end up broke shortly after their career is over. If people with net worth a over x millions of dollars were forced to have +10 kids, the money would eventually start spreading out.
>>55210259
>I'm a nigger who likes to steal from people
I find it amazing how smelly Indians with horrible accents can come to this country and quickly make something of themselves while we have tons on Americans whose ancestors have been here for centuries can't make anything of themselves and butch and moan and whine for a handout.
>>55206900
R A R E
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>>55205617
Of course. The median wage of *WORKING* Americans (That means no children/minors, retirees, NEET) is only $28,000/year.
It's gotten so bad for the typical American that the mainstream media had to resort to using Average wage stats ($55,000/year), which is completely skewed by the top .01% making record-shattering profits.
According to official government stats, the average wage in this country is actually the 80+ percentile of income.
>>55205658
Because they're fucking you over and they're cheering you on you fucking moron
>>55210451
Then kick all the illegals out and see your wages grow. Pick your poison.
>>55210126
I wasn't commenting on the tax system as a whole, I was just saying that tax breaks and the government literally handing you money is pretty much the same thing.
>>55205617
really shows you how lazy or stupid most people are that they cant get rich
>>55210540
That still wouldn't really fix the problem. You're getting fucked over and they've convinced you that it's fair. This is what being blue-pilled feels like.
>>55210602
Yeah right, it's people being lazier than ever before. There's nothing in our environment that has changed to facilitate this.
>>55210629
I honestly think that the identity politics movement breaking up other political movements is in part an extremely successful psyop. It's too perfect.
>>55210384
Equating taxation in a society with theft renders any form of government immoral to you. Are you an anarchist?
>>55205725
>there's a finite amount of wealth in the world
>>55210875
I think he's saying that they'll take more and more of their share until you're a peasant and they're kings. /pol/ is blue-pilled as fuck for vehemently rejecting any manipulation by the rich.
>>55210625
Who said it was ever a problem? Cream rose to the top while shit got left behind. Even if you redistribute wealth you will still have exact same issue a few decades/centuries down the road because some people are just simply better and will excel.
>>55210384
fuck off kike nigger
>>55207736
>Based on your logic the CEO works 380 times harder than the employee.
Does an engineer work harder than a construction worker?
Since when does pay equate to labor?
You are paid based on the value you bring to the company, not how hard you work.
>>55210955
Except this current level of wealth inequality is in large part due to rich people steering politics in their interest. It's not organic, they used your government and your tax money to facilitate it .
>>55210451
>>55210451
>only 28 000 dollars a year
Bruh in my country engineers make like 18 000€ (net) .
And the average wage is around 12 000€ (net),with the minimal wage being around half that.
And no, things are not cheaper.
>>55205617
The top 1% will pay 45% of the total revenue (as in what the government will actually receive) for the 2014 tax year while the lower 80% will only be responsible for 15%.
Tell me again this is about fairness, equality, or justice and not just pure covetousness.
>>55210249
>pits the entire video as an example of hating the rich because we're p-poor
>not realizing that the fundamental flaw is not "hating the bourgeoisie" but a fatal flaw in economics itself
>thinks its 1917
come on man, you know better than this.
Also, if you go to Sowell's wikipedia page, it will tell you he believes in free-market economics. Do you still not understand that the "free market" that everyone heralds is a complete myth? There is no such thing as a free market.
>I prefer thomas sowell over some anon on 4chan
understandable sentiment, I'm not Sowell. However, you have to understand that all his accolades, all his merits are based on his deep inspection of one school of thought. He's much more prone to be myopic, and so are you, if you simply listen and do nothing else. Economics isn't a hard science, it's a political argument, and has been since it was first thought up as a discipline. Different models have worked well in different circumstances, because there is no "magic free market formula" for economics. Some schools can explain certain things better than others, but you really have to stop this black-and-white interpretation of economics.
>>55210813
when people are already paying a much higher tax rate than you, and you argue that they need to pay more because muh feelings, than yeah it's basically theft.
>>55210991
what is it about commies and their obsession with the workers worth by how much effort they put into something? i put a lot of effort into jacking off should i get paid as much as a ceo?
>>55210991
God being in a rich family I can't believe how brainwashed you retards are. This is hilarious. "I deserve to be poor" God it's fucking funny.
>>55205617
And it's getting worst thanks to democrats flooding the job markets with immigraiton, driving down the value of labor and shrinking the middle class.
Plus for bonus points Obama gives companies tax credits to hire foreigners over citizens to further widen the gap.
But I am sure somehow liberals will try to say it's the fault of them evil greedy republicans.
>>55211039
Your country is a piece of fucking shit. We're talking about functioning countries here.
>>55207940
yea, thats cause you only get to meet CEO's who are complete retards for letting your dumb ass in the building
Welcome to communism faggot.
Work hard and maybe you can own a lot of money someday. Pussy.
>>55211186
A CEO is not 380 times more valuable for a company than an intelligent worker. If you buy into that you are a fucking c uck.
>>55211261
OOPS meant capitalism
>>55205617
Glory to Joseph Stalin. He redistributed the wealth in the Soviet Union.
>this entire thread
>>55211027
Yes, they bred spics, niggers and whores to replace the competent workforce. It's not that jobs pay less now its that everyone but the top 10% is retarded
>>55211281
if one decision can end up costing the company millions of dollars and laying off 380 workers or gaining the company millions of dollars and 380 workers you are god damn right they are more valuable.
>>55211307
I can not work my ass off for a day in the rest of my life and I will still be way fucking richer when I die than any of you losers. God I can't fucking believe the level of self hate and deprecation you feel and how you believe that income = value of an individual. I will be a fucking millionaire in 30 years no matter how hard I fuck up in life and you faggots will defend this to the death. God I love being in a rich family. Stay c ucked losers.
>>55211281
>A CEO is not 380 times more valuable for a company than an intelligent worker.
The fact that they get paid what they do would seem to contradict your assertion bud.
>>55208444
if i wasn't so irresponsible my life would be awesome.
i don't even make that much.
i just buy stupid shit when i should save
>>55207453
Underrated post.
>>55211281
>WAAAAAAAAAAA My degree in Womynz studies as I work, flipping burgers, is just as important as being a CEO. WAAAAAAAAAAA.
Kill yourself, faggot.
>>55210322
Funny that Nazi Germany is the "far right-wing" when a lot of their policies were left wing. They even cared for the Working Class more than the USSR I imagine. Why do you think a lot of the current National Socialist parties have "worker" in the name? This image is shit and leftypol is shit.
>>55211090
What makes you admire the CEO is a cultural imprint on your mind that he is the magus of our society. Stop being a kid and grow up to the reality that he probably "works" 2 hours a day and spend the rest of his day getting This massage while you're a broke ass nigga.
>>55205617
even if those percentages are broken up and distributed to everyone else it'll still only make a few dollars' difference due to the vast amount of people involved
>>55206998
Typical schadenfreude against rich people.
>>55210991
>You are paid based on the value you bring to the company, not how hard you work.
So when an American factory closes down and is reopened in Mexico, those Mexicans who are doing the exact same job are paid 1/10 the wage because they bring 1/10 the value to the company?
>>55211511
Are you 15?
>>55211415
Is this supposed to make me mad or something? That some random stranger online was born into wealth.
Why should I care? Has literally no effect on me personally.
>>55211562
Yes
Read a book, nigger
>>55211583
No, but it's
>20
>15
>>55211562
Thank a union, faggot.
>>55209179
No, it's the Permian basin. Different play
>>55211588
I'm just here to laugh at poor and middle class people and how fucking hard they're defending me for free.
>>55207757
>(Nobody tell Americans that even the poorest are in the 1% worldwide)
That's right goy, there are people way worse than you goy, there are people dying around the world
shut up, pay your taxes and make sure you pay your friendly neighbour charity a visit, they need your sheke - I mean help
>>55210875
>Finite land
>Finite energy
>Finite precious materials
>Infinite wealth
Oh thats right, the Federal Reserve can print all the money they want! That must mean that money is infinite, and therefore wealth is infinite!
>>55207045
> everything bad in the world is America's fault, especially if you're a white man
Yeah, no, nigger. You're not taught to be proud of your culture as an American, you're taught to be ashamed of it.
>>55207757
well, they actually are. wealthy people send their money (which they earned selling services/goods to US citizens) to countries with bigger ROI (china, india and similar).
>>55205617
People always gloss over the fact that the 1% earned that wealth fair and square though. They're all successful business owners and entrepreneurs. By what right does anyone have to take it? It's not as if the 1% is eternally static. Notch (creator of Minecraft) was a regular wageslave in 2008 and one of the richest people in the world in 2015. The idea that there is a defined set of people in the 1% that never changes and they're deliberately screwing you is myth. Millionaires are created every day, and people who were in the top 1% wealthiest one week can drop out and only be top 10% the next.
>>55211112
>thinking that immigration is the central problem
>not realizing that illegal immigrants only make up 3.66% of the US population
>not realizing that outsourcing and the rust belt was Reagan's legacy
>not realizing that it's not a matter of nationality
>not realizing that the 1929 great depression was amplified exponentially due to laissez-faire economics and m-muh balancing the budget, which republicans now are eager to go after
>being this deluded
pls
>>55211498
>mistaking authoritarianism for left-wing policies
The top 1 percent earns about 24% of the nation's income and pays about 25% of our countries taxes.This trend is repeated in the other income brackets in the US. Taxing them more will not fix anything, we have to stop thinking of our society and gov't as separate entities if we are going to make genuine progress in liberty and equality, such as a more manageable healthcare system, or a more stable infrastructure system (ex. roads and highways). We should deal with these issues in an egalitarian and civil manner.
>>55211767
Please, you're making me feel ashamed.
>>55211562
Touche, Canadabro
Anyway there are obviously a lot of factors at play, businesses are competing with other businesses to attract and retain quality employees, taxes and regulations are different, etc. And for lower skill/lower wage jobs that anyone can do with minimum training, the employee has less bargaining power unlike a CEO.
Point just was pay isn't solely based on how hard you work.
>>55211755
>they do it for free
That's why they'll never be rich.
>>55211820
I always see eurotrash and australians defending our level of wealth inequality on /pol/, but I seriously doubt that you guys would accept the same circumstances that most people do in america.
>All these Socialist kekolds ITT
TUMBLR OUT.
Or, if you want to stay, give be an objective definition of what constitutes a 'living wage', beyond some arbitrary figure pulled out of your ass on the basis of "more gibs."
I'll bet most of you think Scandinavia is some sort of utopia, lel.
>>55211755
OK well have fun with that
>>55205617
You telling me, look here, you telling me that everyone should get the same amount of money as the person next to you?
Meaning everyone should have the same amount of income?
Meaning a homeless man should make the same amount of money as a neurosurgeon?
If your answer to those is "yes", you are a certified retard and will be ignored/blacklisted.
If your answer is "no", then stop shitposting.
>>55211888
They'll never be rich because the game is rigged even though they refuse to accept it. god this is a comfy feeling.
>>55211945
It's fucking frustrating man.
>>55211923
you can't imagine the level of comfiness when I see dozens of people defending my right to be a millionaire regardless if I work a single hard day in my life. Pussies, pussies everywhere.
>>55205617
>ZETA DISTRIBUTIONS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN WITH MONEY FOR SOME REASON
k
>>55210686
>There's nothing in our environment that has changed to facilitate this.
I disagree
welfare has made people lazy but this welfare has to be paid by someone so that someone has less money to invest elsewhere
why work for 1k a month when you can entertain yourself with computers all day and still get enough to live comfortably
200 years people who dont work hard died, simple as that
but now people believe that they are entitled to a home, car, computer and smartphone, food, medicine, education and much more just for existing!
it's the socialism that causes this harm to society on both ends by removing incentives and killing opportunities
>>55211917
Give me one statistic in economics that isn't a completely arbitrary number.
>>55211991
I genuinely feel sorry for you because you understand it, but in the words of my mother, "If they're too stupid to realize that they're getting fucked over, they deserve to be fucked over"
>>55211415
>being this edgy
>>55206716
lol this retard doesn't understand Robin Hood.
>>55212110
I'm not edgy man, it's a hard feeling to express when I see a bunch of people justifying the morality of a system that is inherently structured to fuck them over, when I will never be fucked by it because I'm well embedded in it.
>>55211562
>>55211821
Fantastic responses from non-American posters. What are some solutions you guys have for some of the problems?
>>55212166
alright now you're just trying too hard
it's getting sad at this point
>>55212061
>Implying the whole study of economics isn't garbage as you can't objectively account for the Human element
Now we're getting somewhere, you garlic-munching cunt.
>Muh liberté, egalité, fraternité
Your revolution and by extension, the Enlightenment, was garbage. Liberty and Equality are mutually incompatible; you care about (wealth) equality. I'd rather have freedom.
>>55211899
Probably because we live in socialist states where the government taxes the wealthy to obscene degrees to fund dindus and NEETs and we know how much it sucks? Capitalism is a meritocracy, you can obtain wealth by producing something of value to society. The US is the closest to the capitalist ideal and creates more millionaires than any other country because it's easy as hell to obtain capital and build a business from scratch, at least compared to Australia and other high tax socialist states where start ups are far and few between just because of the costs of getting them off the ground and people being incredibly risk averse.
Simply put in Capitalism if you want wealth you need to get off your ass and build it yourself. 90% of people are happy to be employed to someone else, draw a wage and have certainty. Thats fine, but you don't get to complain when you're earning 40k a year and a person who took a 2nd mortgage to fund a risky business venture a few yeas back is earning +1 million now.
>>55207506
Fucking this
>>55211942
Yes. Why not? The neurosurgeon shouldn't make any more than a homeless (well there won't be any homeless people) or a NEET (they'll be very few NEETs too). Why not? Everyone should do what they do out of love for knowledge and their fellow man. Everyone equal, all rich.
>>55212076
Such is the world man, you can only hope people one day will stop thinking in black and white. I find it incredibly ironic that people call sweden keks when they demonstrate Stockholm syndrome to the t in these sorts of discussions.
>>55212175
I'll say it once and I'll say it again, economic pluralism is the key. Recommend reading Economics: the User's Guide.
>>55212221
Go back a couple of posts and you'll see that I said that economics is and will always be a political argument. By incorporating different combinations of schools of economic thought, each with it's own merits, you can mitigate, even if slightly, the politicization of it. We started off on the same page, you've given up hope, which I still retain, because it's all I can have.
>>55212210
Not really. What's sad is that I'll be rich no matter how much of a lazy entitled scummy fuck I want to be and you faggots will have to work your asses off and still defend my lifestyle as if this is far, even though my family actively votes to fuck you over more than you already are. I don't have to tryhard anon. I'll be a millionaire one day no matter what the fuck I do.
>>55211942
>jumping to those extreme conclusions when OP didn't say what their views were, but only provided information for discussion
kek
>>55212322
Australia has one of the freest economies on planet earth.
>>55211066
right, and hes simply pointing out the model that has worked the best so far.
>>55212385
>straight up fantasyland gibberish
What is this, fucking Star Trek?
>>55212390
I wish the best for you man, I only am here to make fun of the people who defend this fucking disgusting system.
>>55210584
>that pic
the delusions have gone full circle
>>55212385
Only problem with that is for jobs that are stressful, dangerous, demanding, etc. the extra money is the only reason some people do them.
>>55212554
I think that's totally justified. What is unjustified is the extreme level of disparity.
>>55212445
you've missed the point. You're still thinking of it in black and white terms. You refuse to accept other schools of thought into the political economy, you still maintain a superiority for the neo-classical school despite preposterous claims such as the "great moderation" that some of it's strongest proponents have made. It's one thing having a preference in one school of thought, it's another thing shutting your eyes and ears and defending said school of thought as god's undiluted, unadulterated, unmitigated truth.
>>55212503
thanks man, I genuinely appreciate it.
>>55212385
But they won't though. Why the fuck would anyone work their fingers to the bone to become a rocket scientist when the rewards for being a janitor are the same?
When you disassociate work and reward, your social model starts to define humans as perfect angelic beings that will all just DO EVERYTHING without any actual reason. And that's why the left is retarded.
>>55205678
>increasing taxes would reduce that 100k price
thats retarded. the only thing thats gonna reduce price is more doctors getting certified than what AMA quotas are allowing
>>55212554
Maybe we could do them in shifts or they take some other benefit like retire earlier. Eventually automation though will solve it.
>>55212488
You asked what I think is ethically correct.
>>55212397
>because my uncle who was a poor German immigrant who became a successful multi-millionaire entrepreneur doesn't exists.
I'm not talking everyone can become a billionaire just by working hard day in and day out, but whats great about capitalism is that a select few can grab their share if they are smart enough.
You just sound like an edgy 14 year old born into a rich family.
>>55212636
Literally why?
Give me an objective definition of what you deem to be an 'acceptable' level of disparity.
>>55212642
No homo, but Dutchbros are my favorite posters on this board and obviously the most intelligent and informed. Germany and Norway are good competition, but you guys take the cake.
~~~~~DAILY REMINDER THAT~~~~~
In America:
The top 1 percent pays 40% of all income taxes.
The top 10 percent pays 70% of all income taxes
>>55206797
>All the money came out of the education system
the dept of education continually gets budget increases
what the fuck are you talking about
>>55212731
Thanks man, come and smoke a j anytime here!
>>55212695
Actually i didn't I just kind of joined the thread. Anyway, explain to us all how it's ethically justifiable to pay a neurosurgeon the same as a garbage man.
>>55212425
And yet there are basically no tech start ups here.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/australias-tech-startup-industry-is-in-flames-and-its-time-to-do-something-about-it-2015-9
>>55212700
My family was poor when before I was 8 years old,and then both parents became millionaires almost simultaneously. Many billionaires an millionaires are geniuses and hard working people, there are also many people who are far poorer that are driven and intelligent who deserve much more credit. I'm intelligent, but I have several flaws and I will be a millionaire no matter what the fuck I do. You guys will defend that to the death while I sit back and drink my mom's top shelf wine before going out with my buddies and partying with money that I didn't earn.
>>55212725
Nothing here can be objective. I would judge it by the value of someone's work. I don't believe that a CEO has 380 times the value of the average worker they pay.
Productivity has nearly doubled in the past 30yrs, nearly double the amount of money being produced with the same amount of work. Only a middle class, lower class or college age kek can appreciate the outcomes of current wealth distribution.
>>55208701
This desu senpai
>>55212890
Fuck man lol same to you. We jumped on the bud train and I'm sure you;d enjoy a trip to colorado, washington, oregon, alaska and soon to be massachusetts.
>>55212894
I'm not "paying" anybody. This is a wrong attitude. I don't think the "state" should be paying them either. I think people should spend their time anyway they choose, working as much as they like, doing whatever they choose.
>>55212993
Stupid argument. A nation is a cohesive group. International Relations functions on anarchy. Every state is looking out for its own interest and there is no body of higher law or government.
>>55212894
>Anyway, explain to us all how it's ethically justifiable to pay a neurosurgeon the same as a garbage man.
Garbage collecting is a hard job, and they're well-compensated.
300k salary.
>>55212925
And your point is? Your family deserved their wealth and therefore being born into you do to. Life isn't fair nor is it sun shine and rainbows. I defend it to the death because I am to a recipient of wealth. Own up to it and fuck everyone else.
>B-BUT THEY EARNED THAT MONEY!
Daily reminder that libertarians are keking themselves out of wealth, because some trust-funded faggot 'earned' it away from him.
>>55205617
Ok lets see you work 30 years to build a company, then pay a day one secretary as much as you earn, lol.
>This thread
Fucking classkeks
>>55208701
>implying we aren't already
http://beta.foreignassistance.gov/
>implying prices on things such as medications arent stupidly high in the states because other countries force false price limits and the loss gets made up by the US
>>55212925
>I would judge it by the value of someone's work. I don't believe that a CEO has 380 times the value of the average worker they pay.
>The value of someone's work
First off, if you're going to start bringing up 'surplus value', that theory has been discredited to hell and back.
Secondly, how are measuring the worth of someone's worth? By the physical effort required to do it? By the rewards it reaps? It's also absurd how little work people think CEO's do. No, they don't all smoke cigars and sit on their asses in boardrooms.
>>55213156
>Swede
>Slavoj
Faggot on both counts.
>>55209973
>Economic pluralism
ok tony soprano
>>55213137
The issue is that nominal income has gone down for the typical American.
The median income for working Americans is only $28,000.
>>55213101
No man, I acknowledge the obivious reality that the system in the US is rigged to favor the rich to a large extent. Our fucking legal system is even entirely different. Any of us an get away with nearly everything because we can hire the top jews to defend us. I think it's fucking disgusting and I dream of an america where each man and woman are judged on the content of their character rather than their inheritance.
>>55213202
The importance of their work to the company. It's very simple. Even fucking monkeys adhere to a system of fairness and morality.
>>55210813
incorrect, it just makes taxing entities immoral
governance is not predicated by taxation, just statism
>>55212939
>Productivity has nearly doubled in the past 30yrs
I can assure you that is not because burger flippers have gotten better at their jobs. It's because of computerization, and more recently, automation. Who deserves the biggest slice of the pie for implementing the things that make a business more efficient? Management and owners. It's not really hard to understand and graphs like that are only designed to trigger primal envy and the thought that "Someone is getting more than me! Unfair!"
>>55210935
>their share
>there's a finite amount of wealth in the world
>>55213303
governments need funds to function. In order to get funds, they need to tax their citizens.
read the sticky, you are making the opposite of a valid point
>>55213333
Their share of compensation for their labor and contribution.
>>55211341
what a materialistic use of pen and paper
hypocrite
>>55213296
A capable CEO is much rarer, and of much more value, than someone who does a job that will probably be fulfilled by a robot in a few years time. McDonalds have started experimenting with this to phase out burger-flippers, for a start.
This retarded brutalistic rhetoric from "muh equality/1%-ers" doesn't achieve much more than to downplay the extreme amount of work that goes into being a CEO.
We all know where your notions of 'fair shares' leads.
>>55212995
Of course I would. One day man, one day.
>>55213225
I've always wondered what it feels like to be a luddite, care to tell me, since you're one?
>>55213176
>Americans get to pay for the rest of the first world's "muh free healthcare"
>>55213243
Thats how economics work. Of course the American government favors the wealthy, it helps boom their economy which in terms keeps the country a powerhouse on a global scale.
If you want to become one that is favored, make a lot of money doing anything (legal) necessary.
If not then just sit on your ass hoping for the minimum wage to be raised because "need more money the top 10% has to much!"
go ahead and vote Bernie Sanders come election you cultural Marxist.
>>55211767
>make sure you pay your friendly neighbour charity a visit, they need your sheke - I mean help
the catholic church helped us more than any other group when our house burned down
>>55212925
It's not really about your right not to work. It's about your parents right to give the wealth they've accumulated to their children, which everyone supports. You might be a scumfuck but your parents were obviously intelligent people who leveraged what they had to create something better. You're just the beneficiary of that and I couldn't care less whether entitled brats become millionaires because of their inheritance because the right to give your children a lifetime of accumulated wealth is good for everyone from rich to poor.
>>55213437
Yes, I understand the value of their work, but is it 380 fucking times that of the average worker? Are their skills that valuable and exclusive? Or is it more likely that they just want more money and get more money?
>>55211899
how would you permanently solve wealth inequality?
>>55206951
>You don't think that these people earned their money
No, I do not.
>>55213314
Management isn't hard and it's not necessary to a company's survival, contrary to popular belief.
Companies fail when management overtakes the decisions of their engineers/scientists (Higher intelligent people who are paid less). Think of HP, ford, motorola, AMD, and countless other companies.
The funny thing is that the companies that bounce back from unprofitability all cut down on management and gave their engineers and scientists complete control of which products to sell. Ford is a big one after their most recent bankruptcy. AMD also fired almost all their management and gave their engineers complete control over the Zen architecture for 2016.
Again, management isn't necessary and often kills companies.
>>55213073
Again, are we living in motherfucking Star Trek?
