Europeans should be just as interested in this deal as TPP signatories, because this is exactly what's going to happen with you under the TTIP.
As people are combing through the 6000-page treaty, we're coming up with an increasing amount of bad or controversial points. This isn't about free trade. It's about slashing regulations so foreign companies can get access to cheap labour, new markets, and US-style copyright protection across all treaty countries. That means your country's patent laws on pharmaceuticals will be overridden by the TPP (and guess who it benefits?) and if your country has stricter regulations on imported goods, such as food, those regulations will also be overridden by the treaty, and guess who that also benefits?
Of course, internet privacy will be compromised as it will be easier for American companies to get your personal information. And of course, Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) will allow companies to sue your government for if it does something which infringes on their profits . We have this under NAFTA already, and there have been companies that not only sued provincial governments for investment losses but for loss of "FUTURE PROFITS" after losing a contract.
And if you think the US is getting all the benefits, wait until even more American jobs are sent outside the country, or when they're forced to import Vietnamese agricultural products tainted with dioxin.
>literally zero threads about the TPP
>instead, multiple threads about the same topics over and over and over again
You can literally spend hours, days, months, and years shitflinging about Basketball Americans (and they're always the same goddamn threads) yet we can't have at least one TPP/TTIP thread up at any given time? For shame.
The fact that polacks don't reply ITT makes me believe this place is full of shills. Tnx canada bro for tpp thread.
>>55203563
you should consider going to 2x2x2 chan /pol/ if you want to read on TPP
they have thread going and most trivial stuff explained there
The TPP is sketching bullshit that liberal communists are trying to enforce.
>>55203430
Do you know the actual date they will put it in full effect?
>>55203430
Be the change you want to see in the pol
>>55203828
It's been signed but it still has to be ratified by the government before it's in effect.
>>55203430
>mfw this fuels Trump's campaign even more and even if he doesn't get elected the next guy to run against this stuff will be able to have legit crisis to blame internationalists on
>this would be the straw that breaks the American aspirations of globalism and totally shut down the kikemaschine
>>55203430
I'd worry about TPP but luckily I'm not a Malaysian child sweat shop worker for an American corporation
1984 in motions
>>55205935
Hey moron, it'll effect you in the US as much if not more. We're going to be losing what little manufacturing we have and agriculture will go to shit as well. Go ahead and keep jerking yourself off though. I hope you realize the soul reason we even have anything domestic is because we already have some tariffs. If we start getting rid of those domestic goods will NOT be able to compete.
>>55203430
>>55203430
I can't wait to flood your markets with subsidizes goods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t8hpEKb4gk
>>55203430
bumping an important thread in a sea of clickbait and shitposting
>>55203430
Why does this get ignored?
Someone doesnt want this thread to appear at the top.
>>55207964
Yeah, it's obvious as fuck they don't want anyone even thinking of resisting this.
>>55208052
How do we resist it?
>>55208502
They are trying to push this traitorous shit to the top.
>mfw the u.s. use ttip as samson option to put europe down on the american level of social and economic decay
damn, TPP/TTIP getting ignored like hell
Don't you faggots care that Europe, America and Australia gonna officially have corporations ruling their governments soon?
>>55203563
I made like 2 recently, both had like 5 replies tops
So what can we actually do to prevent this? E-mail politicians and create media shitstorms?
>>55211265
The problem is, this kind of information is too esoteric even for the political or financial buff. This material was written in secret though it hardly would matter if it was done right inside our halls of Congress. It's a little much to expect a response on something like this when you probably couldn't even have someone begin to comment on what NAFTA is, let alone what it stands for.
Unfortunately, it's easier to concern people with social issues when contrasted with the dismal science of economics. You're not going to win a popularity contest in a sea of bait threads.
>>55211487
Simple. We all go into Revolution and crush our governments. You can wave at them with flags and throw molotov cocktails all you want. Not gonna do anything.
Occupy wall street
amirite?
>>55210739
Ew, stop ruining our game! Russia hates women and Putin is a roody-poo!
This is what we will get here soon as well, fellow europeans, australians etc.:
http://www.citizen.org/documents/investor-state-chart.pdf
>>55209182
Yeah. What do we do about it?
>>55213287
Russia shit for other reasons as well. I'm convinced that as of today Iceland is the sole reasonable nation left.
>>55213203
although obviously the straight up answer is no, people fail to see what occupy wall street achieved, or what any occupation in the world (I'm not talking solely about that "occupy" movement) is trying to achieve.
The point of an occupation is that it spreads awareness, it becomes a center for anti-establishment thought and ideas. Individualism is the weapon of choice of the current establishment, the fact that every person nowadays believes he is alone against the government, that he has no power and noone else is willing to stand with him.
Occupy wall street didn't get demolished at the beginning. It didn't even get demolished when it started increasing in numbers and the media started catching up to it, although that's what anyone conditioned by the establishment would expect. It got infiltrated & broken up when it became a regular thing: people started going there to talk & to share ideas, to plan against the 1%, instead of just complaining about it.
>>55214056
Don't worry, Iceland is well on its way to committing ethnic suicide.
>>55206218
>Hey moron, it'll effect you in the US as much if not more
Exactly, as an American I can sell my pharmaceuticals abroad and no one can force me to provide generics.
>>55203430
What is the likelihood of this law getting passed?
>>55216422
>my pharmaceuticals
>no one can force me
>as an American
top kek mate
>implying multinational companies have an ethnic identity
>>55216493
I don't know, no one seems to care about it.
Obama seems to have a big hard on for it though, so you know it can't be good.
The good news is people on both sides of the aisle should be against it. It doesn't benefit the people at all. Liberals should be up in arms about it because of GMOs.
It's also unconstitutional in the US but Obama don't give a shit about the constituition.
>>55216493
Guaranteed.
I'm surprised only fox news is aware about this, on Bret Baier.
>>55208502
With this.
>>55203430
And why should I believe any of what you say?
>>55217172
Probably because you read it yourself
http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Treaties-and-International-Law/01-Treaties-for-which-NZ-is-Depositary/0-Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Text.php
This is all the discussion /pol/ could muster up about the TTP? I am dissapoint.
>>55203430
Are canadian companies gettin sued like hell?,
just that these damn papers are 6000 pages long tells me enough
>>55203430
>trans-pacific partnership
>trans
those fucking degenerates did it again!
>>55213642
I like how literally NONE of the cases had won against the US, yet several of them won against Canada and Mexico.
>>55217038
I don't think anime can save us, anon.
Bumping for justice
>>55217374
>6000 pages
And we're supposed to believe that 60 days or whatever is enough advanced notice to people?
When does it come into effect? I can't wait to see my government give this perplexed look of shock when every tobacco company on earth sues them for their anti-cigarette positions.
>>55219216
We have to vote for it to find out what's in it, anon, don't forget.
Except in this case it doesn't matter what's in it because, after we vote for it, it can just be arbitrarily rewritten.
bump for interest
can countries secede from the trade agreement and remain in eu or does the entire eu have to reject the bill?
Yeah sorry I couldn't care less
I can't do anything about it so I choose to ignore
>>55221224
>I can't do anything about it
thats just a lazy excuse you could drive to brussels and kill every politician in eu parlament
love the part where companies can sue our government if we were to create laws that may affect their business, big business will now overtly run governments
>increase the minimum wage? that eats into our profits goy
>anudda shoah! oh gevalt, we'll see you in court you nazi
>>55203430
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE902AMt7so
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnC1mqyAXmw
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPIsjH25GHo
The TPP will be signed in 90 days, so stop saying that Bernie or Trump or any other faggot is against it, it's just big talk, once it is signed they are so many countries involved that there is no going back, this represent 40% of global economy and there are too many ppowerful actors at work for anyone to shut it down, especialy considering your stupid ass meme election is in a year from now, by now we will all have lose all our freedom. We must fight NOW.
>>55215230
Pretty much this.
>>55218582
Anyone know a place where we can organize a protest against TPP?I know it probably wont do much, but we got to do something.
>>55223119
Washington D.C. is a good place to start. Block the roads and make it impossible for them to drive there.
>>55223337
>implying DC doesn't block its own roads on a daily basis.
just stay away
>>55203430
>amerikek geography skills
As an Ausfag, I don't even know what there is I can do about this. The only relevant pollies seem to be wholly behind it, and all of the info dumps with "here's what you can do" never give shit that Aussies can do.
>>55225433
You call up everybody you know and yell at them.
That includes people in your immediate vicinity.
>>55225501
I tried doing that before our data retention bill was passed. It certainly didn't help, and most of the pollies just blew me off.
>>55208502
Why resist it?
>>55225568
Do it again. Repeatedly. Don't just give up after having it happen once, keep harassing them.
>>55225568
I've been rethinking this a bit since last night. Here's part one of two.
Just go out and spray paint TPP on anything and everything. If you're not comfortable with that, then just tape up signs, stickers, or whatever else suites your fancy as long as it says TPP and nothing else.
>>55225568
I remember once Bush Jr. gave us all a bunch of money saying it was some kind of economic stimulus.
So I called up 1-800-FLOWERS and I had what I had to say written on the giftcard to a guy I was pissed off at during the time. I sent them to his residence. I sent them to his place of work. I sent them to his parents' house. And so forth.
That was overboard, and I'll appologize if I ever see him, but I doubt I will. Even our mutual friends pretend it didn't happen.
Maybe we should deride people for making shit kkk tier threads about black people and gayprideparade/10 threads about their hate of women and love of cock, and derail their threads onto the subject of TPP/TTIP.
Watch, the fucking gay pride parade in the woman hate threads are probably all for it because they're complete pieces of shit like that, and the 'OMFG I HATE NIGGERS' 24/7 people will probably be ignorant about it. I've been on this board long enough to tell.
Now I want to sexually humiliate them some more, but they'll probably mass-report me to the mods, and get their own threads deleted.
You are going to have to raid the shit threads to get /pol/ to care because they keep flooding the board with bullshit. That's all the advice I have.
>tfw I can do less than most people could about this because I have no life
What are we supposed to do? We'd need to cause an uproar on the level of SOPA to get this stopped. And that isn't gonna happen.
>>55225568
I don't want to tell you the details of it, but another time I was part of a group of people who got a hold of some stickers that didn't say anything of importance at all.
All we did was put them everywhere. We'd even sneak around and do things like putting them on peoples' mail, in places where they'd never think to look, on their cars, underneath their shoes, on a leaf hanging from a tree, and things like that. We were just doing it for fun. You would not believe the paranoid reaction. We decided to put the money together to buy more of said stickers because it was so much fun.
>>55203430
You are LITERALLY stupid.
The TPP is the BEST thing that could ever happen to the economy of ALL the country involved.
I wish my country was part of it, maybe we could suck less.
You /pol/tards needs to understand that FREE TRADE between nations is great. Regulations only fucks up countries.
Holy shit, go read something about economy before making shit threads.
>>55226396
Kill yourself.
>>55226452
Finally your politicians do something great, and that's how you respond.
Amazing. You don't deserve to live in the free land of America, you retard redneck.
The US government needs to stop making these dumb bills that violates amendments and/or against constitution.
Things like this can start a Civil War.
>>55226513
No, you stupid subhuman piece of garbage who exists to be tortured.
>>55226396
>implying the deal is about free trade
its about increased global trade cohesion in a way that, while being good for the people who own/run the supply chains and a select few further down, is bad for consumers and competitors, as well as anyone who wants to challenge their profits on a legal basis.
>oh great my country has SLIGHTLY increased access to US markets, thank god we only had to give up the ability to write a bunch of our own laws, like copyright and IP laws.
>>55226396
Except for all the media and possible censorship agreements. You should be glad we're not part of it you ducking moron.
>>55226516
It's really the corporations doing this shit, and manipulating the government however they can to help.
>>55226516
You're bitching bout the wrong people, wall street is the highest legislative authority in america.
>>55226396
litteraly a shill
kill yourself
>>55226669
What you're replying to is a shill. Also, I think he's in every thread where I treat people like shit here on a regular basis here.
>>55226698
So what is the best way to stop corporations from doing this shit?
>>55226764
Wall Street will crash again in the future.
>>55226669
I understand your point. The IP and copyright laws are indeed shit.
But the free trade is good.
All in all, i think the partnership is still good.
>>55226682
Like i said above. But what you have to understand, fellow monkey bro, is that our country is one of the WORST in trade between nations, because of all the regulation and taxation.
We are literally irrelevant world wide because of the fact that we don't trade. We are just a bunch of socialist commies right now.
And this suck. The partnership would GREATLY help our shit country.
>>55226768
If you think free trade is bad, KILL YOURSELF.
>>55226293
Saddest thing is, this is SOPA but worse.
>>55225501
I really can't even figure out who's supposed to be voting on it. Has it already gone through the lower house? Is it going through the senate next, and I should call up every member of the senate I can get a hold of?
>>55226856
Boycott the ones doing it as much as possible and inform people about what TPP/TTIP is and how it's bad. It's all I can think of short of assassinations (illegal). So, I don't know.
>>55227083
>call up every member of the senate I can get a hold of?
yes
>>55203430
I'm so sick of all this trans stuff. Now we have to cater to those sicko perverts in other countries!? THIS IS SOME SJW BULLSHIT
>>55227056
The TPP is only good for shitholes like yours because you can then be free of the regulations on your exports and can just ship all your sub-standard shit off to other countries and hide that it's from yours.
For the people in other countries now being swamped with your shit it's terrible.
>>55227056
>hurr muh buzzword that makes it good
>the shit copyright laws are great cause muh free trade
Fuck you, remove the shit copyright rules from it or shut up about how great it is.
>>55227144
I guess it was something like this. I don't know about the other rules, but hate the copyright part of it.
>>55227144
>Your countries can export cellphones and other things to our countries at better prices
>bigger production, demands more jobs
>LITERALLY creating jobs at your country
>this is somehow bad
??????
Seems like you need to study more anon.
>>55227210
Yes nigger, the copyrights rules are shit, like i said. That is something that NEEDS to be changed.
I NEVER denied that. But a lot of /pol/tards here thinks that free trade is somehow bad for countries and this is stupid.
>>55227314
I don't know about the other rules, but I hate the copyright part of it so much that if they'll just remove that, I might not give a shit about it unless it's really bad.
>>55227314
Dude if TPP passes it can hurt conventions and such from what I heard.
(and, fuck that idiot for calling me a nigger, I'm not black, but I'm drunk)
>>55227314
>Other countries now flooded with cheap electronics from Brazil
>Local production tanks as expenses are higher and sales are lower
>Local production shuts down and jobs are lost
>This is somehow good
Again, it's only good for you third world shitholes that wouldn't be exporting shit if the regulations were still in place.
A more concerning situation for Australia is that food imports will no longer need to have their country of origin marked (something we'd just started enforcing due to demand), so you can have have healthy Australian berries next to piss-fertilised Chinese berries right next to each other on the store shelf and the only way you'd be able to tell the difference is by brand recognition. And this is a concern for Australia because shitty Chinese food keeps giving people diseases.
I think I've given all the advice I could give (raid and derail some shit threads).
If the people who want this stupid thing would all drop dead tomorrow, I'd celebrate.
>>55227422
Yeah, it's bad. But how bad? Post some links.
Some guys ITT said that it's worse than SOPA, but without prove, this is just "muh conspiracy"
>>55227436
>from what i heard
Post links anon.
But i understand what you guys are saying, that they are just playing the "free trade card" so they can impose copyright laws at a lot of nations.
And i kinda agree with that. It makes me sad really, because free trade is good, but copyright is shit.
>>55227781
I wish copyright either came to an end or have much less restrictions on it.
>>55227781
Nothing can justify including the shit copyright rules. If they'll ditch the stupid copyright rules, everything else is a different issue. In fact, fuck them just for packaging everything together like this, and trying to impose their will, with enough rules to constitute a political party platform, upon everyone else, while skipping debate of each issue. They are not entitled to that sort of preferential treatment.
>>55226396
This TPP is the worst thing that could have ever happened to the people of those countries. Copyright laws is shit, but kind of understandable, because now we're getting screwed for downloading a song or a movie from anywhere; however, what's really worry me is the fact that now corporations can do whatever the hell they want (well, it's always been like that, but now it'll be much worst) and sue whoever they want if they get in their way. With this shit they will just outsorce the jobs... damn... You must be a fucking retard if you think it's something good..
>>55227781
>Yeah, it's bad. But how bad? Post some links.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-06/tienhaara-ttp-investment/6918810
www.commondreams.org/newswire/2015/11/05/final-tpp-text-confirms-worst-fears-shadowy-agreement-poses-grave-threat
Article 18.68: Technological Protection Measures
This section attempts to make it a crime to circumvent any "Digital Rights Management" (DRM) locks on a device, even if you own it. It could criminalize people who unlock their phones in order to use accessibility software, for example, or make it illegal to circumvent DRM on a computer in order to use Linux.
Article 18.69: Rights Management Information
This section criminalizes basic activities that involve removing a Rights Management marker, even if it’s done in the process of creating something totally legal. For example, cropping a photo that has a watermark on it in order to use it as part of a fair use creation or as part of a political protest. And yes, that does include if you give credit elsewhere (like the description of a YouTube video).
Section J: Internet Service Providers
This is one of the worst sections that impacts the openness of the Internet. This section requires Internet Service Providers to play "copyright cops" and assist in the enforcement of copyright takedown requests -- but it does not require countries to have a system for counter-notices, so a U.S company could order a website to be taken down in another country, and there would be no way for the person running that website to refute their claims if, say, it was a political criticism website using copyrighted content in a manner consistent with fair use.
wait. did it pass?
>>55228036
Not that I know of.
>>55227906
>Nothing can justify including the shit copyright rules. If they'll ditch the stupid copyright rules, everything else is a different issue. In fact, fuck them just for packaging everything together like this
That's exactly why they've done it. The rest of the TPP isn't so bad, in fact, a lot of it is arguably quite good. So people will in general want it to pass, and they'll want it to pass at the expense of some negative copyright items. They specifically set it all up as a giant plan so that the copyright rules can be slipped in and passed along with it since by themselves they'd never get anywhere.
>>55228036
No, but someone needs to steal every copy of it and burn them.
>>55203430
come on OP at least put the full TTP text in the OP
https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text
>>55228036
It's been signed, but it hasn't been ratified.
TPP is pretty much excluding commie/muslim shitholes.
EVERYONE GET IN HERE
>>55227781
>>Yeah, it's bad. But how bad? Post some links.
Maybe you could try reading it.
>>55227699
>other countries produce things at a lower cost
>this is somehow bad
You understand that making regulations to stop import of cheap products are the worst thing for everyone who CONSUMES things, right?
EVERYONE can consume the shit electronics and berries, if the people in your country are demanding that, because they have lower prices, what is wrong it that?
Even in my shit country, you can consume the bad apples that we produce here or the good ones, who we import from argentina.
They have different consumers.
Australia probably produces things that we here, cannot produce, because you guys have better technology.
We don't even compete in the same market. Free trade between nations only makes the prices lower, which are good for consumers.
>>55227842
Me too anon.
>>55227906
Yes, the free trade is more like only a scapegoat to just pass the shit copyright laws.
Anyone with power should change that and make the pact free trade only.
>>55227991
Yeah, it looks worse than i thought. You guys need to change this shit.
>>55228124
No, I don't think letting big pharma get bigger and have the corps sue countries even more easily is good. It's all terrible.
>>55228124
Then maybe the way they're doing this could itself be attacked? I'm not exactly very articulate right now, nor especially educated about congress, but I find it questionable that they have enough rules to constitute an economic policy here, and could as a group consider themselves a political party, and they're basically being given preferential treatment here with no public debate.
>>55228354
People have been pointing out and attacking their shady as fuck methods of pushing this for years, but it's not like that's actually achieved anything.
>>55203563
post 2008 4chan is place for shills by shills.
>>55228250
It probably doesn't seem like much to you with the amount of corrupt shit that probably takes place in Brazil's politics, but to me, it's also just appalling that any political group is being given any kind of apparent preferential treatment in the US, since this is supposed to be a democracy.
>they passed TPA just so they can pass TPP/TTIP
They are not entitled to special treatment.
>>55221717
Well said, dude.
Weed, lmao!
>>55228503
For a long time, most people didn't even know about this, right? I only found out about this thing, somewhat recently (sometime within the past two years) if they've been negotiating this for how long now?
I'm drunk and homicidal ideation is just habitual to me because of exactly how long I was in a constant state of homicidal rage, but all I can think of to do to make them stop is mass murdering them (aka assassinations/war). Of course, any detailed plans or anything in regards to if anyone wants to do that can't be talked about here, but having fantasies about torturing and murdering people I don't like is one of my things, unfortunately.
(and so, I get more drunk and smiles at the thought of hanging them from utility poles by wires and tugging the cord up and down, the mental image of their dangling bodies amusing me, because I'm psycho like that)
>>55207723
corporate propaganda.
no person in their right mind wants the corporate dominated congress to have access to any bill.
obama is naturally anti-lobbying. one rule in his administration is that nobody who worked there could have been a lobbyist for two years. he relaxed this for some people, leading to some crticizing his integrity. you can read more about it in the book, "why wall street always wins", a narrative spun by a former Kaufman aide Connoughtan who left washington after wall street reforms proposed by senator Kaufman from delaware failed due primarily to democratic senator Dodd and his "reluctant" concessions republicans (Dodd is also in the pockets of wall street).
all calls for transparency = "let corporations insert obscure language into the bill".
obama WILL make concessions to international corporations and special interests. but it will get much worse when corporations can get their senators in on it. coalitions are currently trying to strong arm their way into writing the bill.
>>55227144
I agree autralibro
>>55228865
>they've been negotiating this for how long now?
8 years. There's been a few leaks of it in the past, but the final document has only just been officially released. Until then it's all been kept secret with negotiations behind closed doors.
Of course, the negatives simply aren't reported on because the media are pretty in love with these new copyright terms. Why make known the negatives that they want to pass?
> (and so, I get more drunk and smiles at the thought of hanging them from utility poles by wires and tugging the cord up and down, the mental image of their dangling bodies amusing me, because I'm psycho like that)
Edgy.
Why do we suck corporate dick so much? Why are copy right laws so shit? Why can't we ever have nice things?
>>55227056
seriously kill yourself you are the scum of the earth
>>55216801
Three SC judges (including Ginsberg) already made clear that they think treaties supercede the Constitution.
Assuming that the TPP is passed, what would be it's immediate effects?
>>55229099
>8 years.
The names of the first 10 people who discussed it would be interesting to know.
>>55229110
>Why do we suck corporate dick so much?
Auto-fellatio.
> Why are copy right laws so shit?
Disney and it's fucking mouse.
> Why can't we ever have nice things?
"Nice" things are no longer made.
>>55228982
Obama has been such a shit president, and so many people hate him for various reasons, that I'm honestly surprised nobody with nothing to lose has snapped and killed him yet. One answer I've gotten to the question of 'why has nobody gone crazy and killed him?' is that people don't want to martyrize him so that he'll be remembered because people are retarded enough to feel sorry for him if he gets assassinated.
>>55229099
>8 years. There's been a few leaks of it in the past, but the final document has only just been officially released. Until then it's all been kept secret with negotiations behind closed doors.
>Of course, the negatives simply aren't reported on because the media are pretty in love with these new copyright terms. Why make known the negatives that they want to pass?
Thanks for explaining that.
>Edgy.
Yeah, I'm drunk, and.. actually, I can't remember a time when I didn't have violent fantasies about people I don't like, it's just part of how I think. All these years of homicidal ideation, and I haven't acted on it, is good self control, at least.
>>55229612
Speaking of bad Presidents, I never get this
>Good Presidents such as Abe Lincoln, JFK, and FDR either die in office or gets assassinated
>Bad Presidents such as Bush(both HW and W) never die in office or been assassinated
What the fuck is going on?
>>55229502
>The names of the first 10 people who discussed it would be interesting to know.
It would. All I can guess is that they're assholes in business suits. It would be nice if there were at least some names and actual faces associated with those names to envision suffering horrible deaths.
>>55229916
At least you can name 3 good presidents
>>55203430
>the wealth will trickle down!
I honestly don't know why these corporate fuckers are in such a rush to get even more filthy rich than they already are.
>>55203430
This (as far as i know) is suposed to prevent china to be the #1 economy in the world, if china go full capitalist will it still work?
>And if you think the US is getting all the benefits, wait until even more American jobs are sent outside the country, or when they're forced to import Vietnamese agricultural products tainted with dioxin.
Then who will be the most benefited country, it seems to be unfair for most participants.
who is writing all the regulations?
>>55229612
he's not that bad. he realizes the main problem of special interests. he tried a "we can't wait campaign" to gain popular support for bypassing congress. im guessing he got constitutionally self-conscious. now he pushes to try and get people to vote to stop giving special interests the upper hand.
i however hold him responsible more than most. it takes two to tango. he's weak and financially illiterate.
>>55226396
they are waiting for you sir.
>>55230079
Worse case scenerio, pull a Robin Hood and rob from the rich.
>>55226513
>>55230133
>>55230220
Redneck filtered :^)
>>55229916
>What the fuck is going on?
I remember now, the corruption that makes things this way, has been in place for a really long time now.
There's a video from WW2 years where Hitler calmly explained about how fucked up America is, and..
>what he describes is frighteningly similar to how I have noticed it is right now
>scary because it shows just how long America has been as corrupt as it is
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4UAvspqf0o in case you might want to watch it later
>>55230392
you now realize that you are not a descendant of the mayans or aztecs. you are just left-over spunk from the spaniards who raped your entire continent.
(Up until maybe the whistleblowing about PRISM, it was often socially useful to play dumb, so as not to be labeled paranoid, so sometimes, I would selectively just not access some info to make it easier to play dumb as necessary when arguing with known psyops/shills/cointelpro/professionaltrolls.)
>>55230496
Brazil actually got raped by the portuguese, but hey, whatever.
Also, there wasn't aztecs or mayans here.
>>55230392
I hope they pay you good
>some people are selfish and want things that will benefit them while making everything else suffer
>unfortunately, they ended up with a lot of resources
>so, they bribe people, assassinate people, and shit like that to get their way
>it's been like this for quite a while
>such is called corruption
That's what the fuck is going on.
For pretty much everything America does that makes a lot of people suffer, there's a few people who get some huge benefit from it.
>>55230776
I'm just showing you guys how free trade is good for every nation and that copyright laws are shit.
>>55230912
I'm curious, in which period of the USA history do you think it wasn't like that?
>the wars that America doesn't really have to fight, but starts however they can anyways, for example, the people who manufacture weapons profit from that
>>55229954
> It would be nice if there were at least some names and actual faces associated with those names to envision suffering horrible deaths.
No death would be good enough for them; No life or mere existence of suffering, either.
They are so completely broken and twisted in personality and character that normal logic, emotion, and the spiritual that things normal people experience no longer applies to them.
They would have to be so fucked off into their own reality that what they believe they're doing is right or just even only to themselves...
It's impossible for any person to understand.
> even the sociopaths be like "DAAAYYYUUUMMM"
>>55231089
Good question..
>not in the beginning
>the 1800s were chaotic, and the problems leading up to and including the civil war were originally kind of a carryover from Europe (the cheap workforce that starts out as often white indentured servants paying off their debts to pay the fee for their trip over, is replaced by slaves which were increasingly negros imported from africa)
>beyond that, there were labor disputes between people who worked in mines and shit like that, and their bosses, which would sometimes get violent, because their pay was shit, they worked long hours, and their working conditions were hell
>and it was by no means a perfect time, but the problems weren't quite the same as they are now, and the government really wasn't huge back then
>maybe around ~1900s-1910s?
>iirc, the federal reserve was started in 1914, it kind of coincides with the time WW1 started..
>by the 1920s, everything was already going to shit
>>55228557
Don't you mean post 2007? I mean Chanology is when the shilling started.
>>55231089
Free trade is good.
This shit doesn't promote 'free trade' at all..
If the Founding Fathers(Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, etc.) were still alive, they would be pissed of whats going on with the US government.
>>55231906
I'm completely sure they would be.
>>55231089
In regards to what I said in >>55231716, most people probably didn't notice everything going to absolute shit until the great depression.
>>55231906
But they created the constitution, don't they? So you are saying that the actual politic scheme doesn't follow the constitution?
Doesn't seem like they changed the text that much(unlike here, where we had like 13+ constitutions in all republic history).
>>55231716
Yeah, that time was the best for the eastern europe too. Before the FED and WW1.
Seems like people get bored by progression.
>>55232515 (in america anyways)
And I might be wrong, maybe the federal reserve was started in 1918, it coincided somehow with the start/end of WW1, however, and I once noted that, so I remember it now.
(My history is a bit fuzzy, I expected to grow up to be an engineer......)
I'm against TPP but I'm for TTIP because I want to laugh at yuros.
>>55231089
you maybe right about the copyright laws, but this TPP shit is anything but good. It isn't about free trade, is about enpowering the corporations and butt raping whoever standing in their way to get what they want ( it's been that way for a long time, but at least you people could do something to stop, but this time around it'll be useless to say anything because now is legal)
>>55232563
>But they created the constitution, don't they? So you are saying that the actual politic scheme doesn't follow the constitution?
The TPA seemed to me like a step towards weakening the power of congress to review and intelligently act on proposed new laws, and hence, a weakening of what was intended to slow down the progression of tyranny. So just by itself, that's a red flag, to me. (the founding fathers were basically minarchists (this is not a typo, look it up), in fact, it seems they were anarchists at heart, the government pretty much existed to give shitty scheming people a hard time quickly implementing some authoritarian government)
>>55232728
,!,, fgt
I wish copyright laws weren't even as shit as they already are in the US.
My advice is still to raid shitty threads with this. Good luck, anons. Whatever you do, don't become complete pieces of shit and stop doing anything because I posted here. That's YOUR fault if you do. I'm going to go play video games.
>tfw every time I try to help people with stuff like this, they just walk away from the screen and start cutting themselves or something
What is your weird fucking problem anyways?
It's kind of pissing me off. I always find myself being the single most motivated person amongst anyone on my screen.
When these halfasses are the resistance to anything, of course they're going to fucking fail at everything.
>yet, I'm underageb& tier, I can't even drive or anything, just kill anyone who comes to my house to try to fight me IRL
>so.. all I can do is give this advice >>55226104 >>55226287 on how to deal with the denizenry of this extra stupid board
Which nobody will take because they're halfassed shills who are probably even only pretending to be against it, so they can try to troll me. I swear, if this is psyops' elaborate trolling, some people exist to be tortured and told that they're pieces of garbage for the entire night now, I've slowly conditioned my brain to release some dopamine whenever I'm treating certain people like shit when they act subhuman in front of me. The new normal is a 'brain problem' now.
>nobody says anything
Fuck this, it's too much effort to even try at all, if these pieces of shit are what I have to work with.
>>55233236
>>55233545
>>55233648
>>55234118
>>55234524
>>55234589
>>55234648
>>55234826
>>55235055
>>55235141
Am I even actually connected to 4chan, or am I in some kind of botnet to drive me crazy? I can't believe this is real.
>>55235166
Going crazy because wtf, why did the thread die?
>>55235166
Maybe this is what I get for being drunk and then posting. I really can't see why the thread died suddenly.
>you will live to see horrors beyond your comprehension
Like suddenly, this thread dying, maybe. Because it is actually completely beyong my comprehension WHY.
>>55235166
Being autistic, maybe.
>cowards will not even argue with me if they have some kind of problem with something I said
I know I'm drunk, but it looks crazy cult tier weird to me.
>>55235166
I'm going insane because I'm weirded out.
>>55235174
>>55235216
>>55235380
>>55235517
>>55235686
>>55235757
>>55235166
And.. do I have to buy a camera just to post a timestamped picture of my very pale white hand giving you a middle finger? Because I will if it will get idiots to stop calling me 'nigger'.
>>55235784
Okay, but why did everyone else..? I wanted to see if they would start posting again if I stopped posting, but they didn't.
>>55235933
>if i stopped posting
when did that happen
>>55235996
8 minutes, and you weird people just remained silent. Why did you go silent?
>>55235996
8 minutes is an extremely long time, how did you just not notice 8 whole minutes?
>8 minutes doesn't seem like a long time to most people
Okay, my impatience might be my entire problem getting along with people.
I am scared :(
Constant reminder that it is not in any way my fault that you idiots decided to kill the thread by ceasing to post in it.
>>55236144
I don't understand how it's my fault people just stop posting. I don't have mind control powers here.
>>55236127
For a second you started to realise that you may be the problem.
>>55236208
And then you swung right back around.
Is this the part where I bump the only important thread on /pol/?
>>55236127
Calm. Down. Dude.
>>55236244
I genuinely have no comprehension whatsoever of any idea as to why it would be my fault other people decided of their own free will to just stop posting. I have no control over anyone but me.
>>55236208
its ok bae, ill post for you
but i need help lads, what do i write and how do i make the stuff written better
>>55236310
Okay.. ಠ_ಠ I'll just stop posting because it's useless, and go play video games.
>>55236314
>Enter thread
>See the most crippling display of autism on the internet for months as one guy responds to himself every minute for an hour
>Promptly exit thread
Corporations in the U.S. will grow so powerful it will fragment the country into micro-states.
>>55236385
I didn't respond to myself even once, I just threw a fit.
>>55236406
We can only hope we'll be so lucky, chummer.
>>55236385
And I threw a fit because the thread died for no apparent reason and stayed dead after I stopped posting (8 minutes seems like a long time to me).
>>55236406
>>55236493
Why wont you die?
>tfw pissed and most people are extremely docile anymore
I have everything 'wrong' with me, bootlickers.
>>55236633
wat
>>55236701
The only reason why not to kill you might be because I have something to lose. You're probably actually all for this, hence why you're so passive and just like to watch me react.
>>55236633
Okay, I won't tell you to kill yourself, but what the hell is your problem? Why did you randomly respond to us?
Okay guys, report the idiot autist derailing the thread into being all about him.
>>55236861
reported faggot
>>55236893
How was >>55233236 all about me? That's about when the thread died. Again, it's just freakish how the thread died then.
>>55236913
Why am I the asshole because >>55233236 was everyone's cue to stop discussing this, cut their wrists up, snort whatever fucking drugs you take to not have a problem with anything.. and now this? Constant reminder that this is ALL YOUR STUPID PIECE OF TRASH FAULT! I wish I could kick you to death for this weird bullshit.
ಠ_ಠ WTF is wrong with YOU?
>>55236385
Nobody read >>55226104 >>55226287. I'm an asshole because /pol/ is a retard bin too.
>>55236995
>everyone's cue to stop discussing this, cut their wrists up, snort whatever fucking drugs you take
stop projecting
>so now this thread is shit because >>55233236 was some malicious narcissistic act what was 'making the thread all about me'
>and everyone had to go do whatever weird shit they have to do to stay delusional and weird
>and it'd be better if I never posted because you people randomly decided to drive the thread into the ground
>>55237155
I don't do any of that, but you people are fucking crazy cult tier weird with your bullshit.
>see everyone stopped replying
>8 whole minutes, the thread stays dead
>somehow it's my fault everyone but me decides to stop replying to the thread
............... ('autism' where I am not in the same mindset as everyone who sees what I did wrong)
>>55236244
kekd
>>55236244
>>55237342
I may be the problem, but I don't see what I did wrong.
Just to rub it in, the longest you went without posting was just 6 minutes.
>>55233648
>>55234118
>>55237328
you scared everyone away with your reckless faggotry
>>55237410
Fuck, I was so drunk I misread the timestamp.
(I was bored tonight and was already drunk when I came to the thread.)
>>55237439
I'm scary?
>apparently, I am scary on the internet
Okay. ಠ_ಠ
I now wish I just lurked instead of posted.
>>55237410
I seriously misread the '34' as '32'.
>know what rule 34 is, look up rule 32
I might keep that one in mind during future trolling, but I didn't even troll this thread, just drunken stupor'd.
The TPP is a huge step to bringing the world together. 3rd world countries will benefit with all the manufacturing and investment that will flood into them, 1st world countries exploit cheap labor. Everybody wins. Also, it is unlikely that wars will occur amongst participant nations, so thats also good.
>>55237727
Do you happen to work for a company called Versalife?
>>55237616
>I now wish I just lurked instead of posted.
Us too.
>>55237774
I'm sorry, I was drunk and looking to do some drunken trolling of the shit tier threads that happen on this board, saw this, and in a drunken lapse of judgement, made the horrible mistake of entering the thread and replying. Night ruined.
>>55237751
I regret not getting the reference.
I will however add that whoever thinks that the TPP means corps can now sue states over investments please look up BITs and ITAs. This has been going on for a half a century. It's a healthy practice that insures a safe investment environment which in turn leads to economic development.
>>55205935
>>55216422
>shill, retard, or libertardian
I wonder which
>>55226396
>You /pol/tards needs to understand that FREE TRADE between nations is great.
For multinational corporations. Not for the actual citizens of those countries, you catastrophically stupid person.
>>55236347
Looks good so far. I feel like it should have one more thing under 'how it affects you'
>>55237727
see>>55238099 you sack of snake shit.
>>55238167
Oh god the fucking drunk autist is back
>>55237885
>This has been going on for a half a century. It's a healthy practice
>Uruguay passes anti-smoking legislation so that advertisements can't be targetted to minors
>Phillip Morris sues Uruguay over lost POTENTIAL FUTURE profits to the tune of billions
>wins
>healthy practice
Die of cancer, please.
>>55238211
lolwut
>>55238099
Look at nations with a healthy and stable investment environment, with mechanisms that allow for investors to protect their investments and compare them to those that have greater limits/closed economies and consistently you will see greater benefits for the citizens for the first kind of States.
>>55238211
No, but NOW I'm back, just to prove that's not me. And, it's refreshing to see someone else hates this as much.
Based mentalbro.
>>55238326
>with mechanisms that allow for investors to protect their investments
at the expense of the citizens of the host nation
>compare them to those that have greater limits/closed economies
ie - those that don't let corporations destroy people in the name of profit
>consistently you will see greater benefits for the citizens for the first kind of States.
Like the citizens in Europe that are being flooded with violent third world trash because the corporate elites want a permanent voting block and labor underclass?
Like the same that's going on in the USA with Mexicans?
Great points.
Also,
>you will see greater benefits for the citizens for the first kind of States.
is a correlation/causation fallacy. Just so you know.
Tribal warlords, despots, kings, presidents, and now it is going to be the CEO. This is how things are going to be no matter how much you chimp out. They are going to rule the globe. Do not resist. It is futille. They will unite us globally. They will grow powerful. They will be Gods among us.
>>55238474
>They will unite us globally.
You can't unite groups of people with core differences in values and ability.
>They will be Gods among us.
Until they're rightfully dragged screaming into the streets and torn to pieces.
>>55238520
>Until they're rightfully dragged screaming into the streets and torn to pieces.
I would gladly help make that happen.
>>55238520
>You can't unite groups of people with core differences in values and ability.
That will not be the manner in which they are unitED.
>Until they're rightfully dragged screaming into the streets and torn to pieces.
With the rise of PMCs this will be hard to accomplish, sIR. Once they grow more powerful, corporations will make use of thEM for security purposes and for their own corporate wars.
Mommy, I see the light.
>>55238233
It's still an ongoing arbitration, an interesting one regarding trademarks vs. public health. I do hope Uruguay gets this one, from what I heard Australia is getting sued as well by phillip morris.
>>55238446
The expense of arbitration is minimal in macroeconomical context, with each arbitration in the 800k usd for arbitration procedures. Legal costs might run up a bit higher, but then again, loser pays can be agreed upon so its actually the corporation that ends up paying in case of frivolous claims/etc.
Corporations are not out to get people, they're out to get profit under a set of regulations. Of course they'll cut expenses and might fuck people up on the process, that's the whole point on solid institutions that protect workers and consumers. Lol compare Europe and USA with shitbackward countries like Argentina and Egypt.
Your last point is just bullshit, investment leads to development and development leads to better quality of life, no point around that.
>>55238836
Why do yOU use ranDOm capitAL letters?
>>55238836
>google WTF a PMC is
Maybe homicidal ideation and the ability to very quickly figure out how to fuck up a large number of people wont always be a completely useless talent, then.
>to escalate this into a war
I wonder what it would take for a decent number of people with some concept of how to conduct war, to want to fight them? I don't think anyone could win all by themselves.
>>55239005
>The expense of arbitration is minimal in macroeconomical context
No, no, no. I mean the policies and actions of those corporations who greedily seek profit while destroying the prosperity of the host populations is the 'expense' those people pay.
>Corporations are not out to get people, they're out to get profit under a set of regulations.
Correct, and when their goal of profit is at odds with cultural unity, sustainable immigration, living conditions, etc. they have consistently through ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY chosen profit.
>Your last point is just bullshit, investment leads to development and development leads to better quality of life, no point around that.
This is so simplistic it has to be a shill's talking point.
>most people would not be angry enough, most people aren't personally effected as much
>and, I am probably more familiar with war than most people, being raised by a veteran
Am I overreacting to things like ACTA/SOPA/PIPA, PRISM, and now this...? Or..?
>tfw I really believe, because some people actually tried to stop me from learning something once
>that people would try to stop me from learning by removing how I basically just walked around them
>though DRM is also shit because if they can ever actually stop piracy, they can censor and control just about anything
Now I'll just wait to be called paranoid.
>>55240538
>Now I'll just wait to be called paranoid.
No, it really is just as bad as it seems, anon.
The government has been bought by international financial interests for decades and are passing laws to rig the game in their favor, allowing them to control the entire globe, all the while looting the middle class.
>>55203430
Cheers and thanks, maple-man.
I already know about the TTIP and participate in all actions possible to stop it in Germoney.
Unfortunately, I doubt that our government cares about us.
They've stopped doing that long ago as it feels. Instead, they shit refugees everywhere and somewhere in the chaos they probably pass this shit.
And when Germany is either a refugee-filled shithole or we're free of them, its already too late and we'll be economically fucked over.
Gonna found my own fucking country on an old oil-platform in the nordic sea somewhere. Fuck Germany, fuck the US, fuck Russia, fuck China, fuck everything!
>>55203430
>Mexico
So how does this makes things worse here than what already is?
This is basically a lawless place and anyones who knows the right person can get scot-free from anything.
>>55241362
seriously? don't you see that this is like NAFTA on steroids. If there already is unemployement here, then get ready for even more. Oh, and when that thing gets ratified then say good bye to downloading for free (you might even get fucked up if you keep doing it, how? idk). Also, the corporations wil be able to sue any country that is part of this treaty, which means that if we're already fucked up with that bunch of motherfucking rats that we have for representatives, then get ready for even more shit (more GMO's, and jobs will be shipped off to somewhere in Asia). If things are bad now, then they will be worst
>>55242476
The main problem with TPP is that it doesn't mention what happens if one country opts out.
If lets for instance say Canada by itself opts out will she be left behind in the dust? No regulations for 12 other countries + non tariffs would make it impossible for Canada to keep up.
The only way I can see this stopping is if US backs out or half of the other countries do.
