Alright /pol, I propose to you the ultimate challenge. Turn me from what I currently am, a die-hard liberal progressive Sanders supporter, into your typical run-of-the-mill conservative or even a /pol neocon. If you can do it, I will reward you greatly with a thumbs up.
>>55201482
>Sanders supporter
It's too late for you senpai.
>>55201482
DUDE YALE LMAO
Your asking something that's gonna take way too much time for one thread.
>>55201482
There it is Faggot
>>55201482
Why are you a Bernie supporting faggot. You have to give us reasons so we can show you how wrong you are
Get off of /pol/ if your a liberal progressive SJW.
>>55201716
this
>/pol/
>neocon
Educate yourself. You'll probably turn on your own if you do.
>>55201716
Universal healthcare and free college, of course. Who could be against systems that benefit EVERYBODY?
>>55201482
>/pol/ neocon
You are a neocon you tard.
fuck off with your liberal-conservative dialectic you turbo pleb
>>55201675
>2014
>>55201789
Because you live in a lie. Your only hope is to ask the Lord for forgiveness and devote your life to His work. Everything you believe is a mechanism sold to you by that jew. I feel really bad for people like you, truly.
>>55201789
Bait
Even a Lin knows deep down that universal healthcare would not work as proposed in a nation of 360 million
Also free college makes college become high school plus so the diploma is watered down and then extra schooling will need to occur to get great jobs.
It's fucking common sense and lieberals don't have it
>>55201904
Lib Lin
>>55201789
>FREE STUFF OF COURSE
It's not free, it's just that the government will be forcing someone else to pay for it. Someone successful. The government would be rewarding mediocrity. If you can't see what's wrong with that you're too far gone.
>>55201904
Alright see? Thank you for the first legit answer!
Many have told me universal healthcare cannot work in the US because of culture/population....
Sanders's plans would only work if
>America were in an economic and geopolitical vacuum
>people would graduate college (NOT flunking out and repeating the process) and get a job, guaranteed
>Americans ARE healthy to begin with and don't need to go to the doctor
Refute this
>>55201482
Think of it this way: in 2014 everyone was telling us we need to be liberals because it was 2014. Now it's 2015 so we don't have to anymore, we can be conservative now
>>55201789
Based Steve has the answer
https://youtu.be/Xui9mW-Sbek
Here op
>>55202014
No prob lib
No prob
>>55201482
In my opinion, the big thing that turns people from the lib to the con side is actually exposing themselves
1. To the disgusting and savage nature of the poor and marginalized who they are trying to "help".
2. To serious conservative philosophy. Roger Scruton, Thomas Sowell, Burke, Charles Murray, etc. Go read some nationalreview.com articles and gain perspective.
>>55202104
If you are willing to watch this and are not a conservite, I'll eat my own cum on video
>>55201482
socialism is immoral
>/pol/
>neocon jew lover
>>55201482
>/pol neocon
wrong again, libkek
>>55201482
are you white?
then here's a reason. The current Liberal platform does not include you. It is geared only to nonwhites, predominantly poor nonwhites. the liberal agenda currently, is all about undermining what it means to be white, and demonizing it with 'privilege" and 'white guilt" and political correctness.
Bernie's ideals are also unrealistic. just taxing the rich will not solve our problems. because just as we say, they are the 1% of the population. even taxing them 90% of their income wouldnt give us enough money to do much. youd have to tax EVERYONE.
Now Im not saying the majority of conservative candidates right now are better, because they arent, but someone like Trump, who isnt really a conservative byt a right leaning moderate, is the only one that started criticizing political correctness, and is trying to do something about illegal immigration, which IS an issue as it overburdens our systems, like healthcare, and creates a revenue stream that does not always go back into the government through taxes. sure, they'll buy a coke maybe. but the majority goes back to mexico to their family, where the US government, that needs tax money for public funding like roads and bridges or every other aspect of the governmental budget, doesnt see a penny of tax dollars.
I wont try to tell you to suddenly be a republican, but see common sense, the current democratic party is too extreme.
It has become 'the establishment" that they hated pre-2000.
Instead of christians getting offended and trying to censor you, it's pink haired dykes. Instead of republicans trying to implement laws that protect a specific fringe group, its democrats. its crazy. And meanwhile, the Republicans have become the "rebels".
the 2 best candidates, who were the most moderate, were Jim Webb on the Dem side, but he dropped out, and Trump on the Rep side, despite the aggressive persona he puts on. watch any interview with him from the 80's or 90's
>>55201482
are you white? are you male? are you straight? are you intending to earn a reasonable wage and raise sensible, responsible children?
if your answer to any of the above is yes then your life will be significantly worse by the end of sanders first term than it is now.
>>55201482
pic related about Jews and Marxism
gun control and black crime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hyQDQPEsrs
cultural marxism and the meaning behind "political correctness":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fo5jLdJlgI
Watch these 2 videos at least, and you'll be on your way to becoming more well-rounded and informed, politically.
Hope I was helpful.
Watch Bill Whittle
Don't let the simplicity of my answer fool you; this might be THE guaranteed way of converting libs
Resources:
https://www.youtube.com/user/PajamasMedia
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy9VHF_ihqzBsx9tr0_XZIQ (TruthRevoltOriginals)
https://www.youtube.com/user/BillWhittleChannel
https://www.youtube.com/user/AesopsRetreat
https://www.billwhittle.com
>>55201789
confirmed bait?
if you are real, read Thomas Sowell's Vision of the Anointed to see how liberal policies have failed time and time again, but liberals are disingenuous liars who rewrite history.
paraphrased excerpt:
Kennedy and then Johnson instituted 'war against poverty' measures, that were the beginning of the massive inflation of the welfare state. they claimed that there was a poverty crisis, and that pouring money into welfare programs would eventually lead to less people who needed them. they wanted to 'turn taxeaters into taxpayers', reduce dependency on the state. in actual fact poverty and dependency had been in decline for years.
in less than 10 years government provided in-kind benefits increased twenty fold. welfare spending as a percentage of GDP doubled.
seeing as the aim of the policy was to decrease dependency, it was an abject failure, achieving the exact opposite. the liberals who implemented the policy, however, claimed victory. they claimed that the policies were about wealth distribution, and compassion.
"The question is not what the bottom line is today - with poverty up - but where would we be if we didn't have these programs in place?" asked Professor Sheldon Danziger.
There is no possible reply to this kind of heads-I-win-and-tails-you-lose assertions, except to note that they could be used to justify any policy, on anything, anywhere.
This is one example of many. Evidence is irrelevant to liberal policy makers. Results are unimportant. What matters to them is feeling smug moral superiority, to imagine their conservative opponents as monsters and haters, and that they are the noble champions of the oppressed.
>>55202424
this
Minorities are taking center stage, and that just cant work in a democracy. Every vote for a pro-minority law or candidate is a vote against yourself.
Bernie has no chance anyway. The Dems have been trying too hard rebuild Hillary's reputation.
Its going to be her vs Trump.
>>55202567
>still complaining about jews as a conservative
>>55202876
>if you are real, read Thomas Sowell
Is this the new Jesus of the right? Still trying to appeal to minorities with this crap?
>black guy says stuff that appeals to white people
Big surprise.
Read "Our Culture, What's Left Of It"
Or "Life At The Bottom"
Both by Theodore Dalrymple.
Look at crime statistics by race. And when you think to blame racism, remember that all races, not just blacks, encounter racism.
You'll be forced to accept that liberal welfare policies, and a hands-off approach to crime, and the free-love '60s notions aren't helping blacks.
Look at the history Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe, for what happens when communist scum get involved with dictators and chase out all the productive people because they are seen as white oppressors. The country used to be a modern, productive industrial country with modern cities. (Keep in mind this was with an overwhelming 90% black majority.) Now it's a shit hole that can barely keep the lights on, whose currency became worthless through hyperinflation.
If you believe Hitler was "conservative" then you are brainwashed into thinking that's a dirty word. He was a revolutionary.
If you think voter ID is racist, consider how multiracial Canada does just fine with requiring proof of identification to vote. And so do many, many other countries.
There are conservatives outside of the US who are okay with national health systems. Conservative principle doesn't just hang on just laissez-faire free-markets.
>>55203074
Slippery slope
>>55201482
Learn how to spell and write a coherent sentence before you can ever hope to be accepted among conservatives.
>>55203104
>netherlands
Rofl.
They blatantly mock stereotypes by owning them. Fuck your morals, conservative.
>>55202678
THIS
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>>55203011
Sowell has been writing books and articles, and talking about education and economics, for decades. If you think he's some "new Jesus" you are either very young or haven't been paying attention at all.
>>55203011
i literally didn't even know he was black desu.
regardless, do you even ad hominem.
>>55203403
>see, conservatives aren't racists. we just appease to them with our cartoons.
>>55201789
I am pro universal healthcare, thats humane, but universal college will reduce the value of college, you need a hierarchy of wealth, its the uncomfortabel truth.
>>55203183
maybe that was SLIGHTLY true 30, 40 years ago, it isn't now. they get dressed up like fucking weirdos because thats what they are.
>stereotypes
it's not a stereotype that gay men are degenerate. they have ridiculously high numbers of sexual partners, usually with strangers, don't have safe sex, and are thus spreaders of diseases. there's a reason your much, MUCH more likely to get AIDS if you're gay. also they're much more likely to be paedophiles.
where gay marriage has been legalised, most 'married' gay men continue to have open relationships.
to quote heartiste; "They're just like you and me, except not."
>>55203330
in short the only way is to sit out and live with this piece of shit religion and coexist?
Cant we just kill all Muslims and there prophecy will never come true? Or fuck it throw all Muslim out of western nations and say fuck you, we don't play by your rules?
>>55203475
How the fuck is that cartoon racist in any way?
>>55203475
How the fuck is that racist?
>>55203731
gee, i wonder what the kfc bucket is in reference to... bernie being a "kek" maybe? gimmie a break.
>>55203693
These are the exact same species though
>>55203786
>he sees KFC and thinks of black people
you fucking racist cunt
>>55203786
Niggers like Popeyes chicken.
>>55203673
I think there are some good ones out there who feel trapped in their own religion
>>55203809
same species there is no race
>>55203786
Oh my dear lord...
First of all at least try to separate the letters in C u c k so you can bypass the filters.
Second of all: Colonel SANDERS so you can use it as a prop fairly easily, if you look at the chicken it is rubbish, in refrence to things like bernies college education plans.
>>55203885
You're not helping his so-called reverse troll >>55203840 .
>>55203899
2 good people don't make the millions fucking everything up good and worth the sacrifice.
>>55201482
- The wage gap nonsense promoted by Sanders is clearly a myth. Women are generally paid less because they choose to take lower paid work, because women are less ambitious than men.
- Sanders supports amnesty for illegals. Do you think it's right that illegals can break immigration law and get away with it? Do you think it's right that white Americans be increasingly outnumbered by Hispanics in certain states? Do you understand that mass immigration is a tool of the capitalists Sanders opposes?
>>55201482
>>55203693
The golden jackals are distinct races.
>lrn2racialogy
>>55201482
If you're genuinely interested in seeing if you can be converted, you should leave /pol/ and read Moldbug's Letter to an Open-Minded Progressive
>>55203959
i'm not trolling it is racist to see KFC and think 'blacks'
>>55201482
Why should I bother?
I was a closet communist until I met a couple nazis on Steam, and a month later I started lurking on /pol/ and that eventually changes you. Dramatically.
>>55201482
>we aren't here to reverse cancer just to kill it
>>55204026
#notmyproblem Conservative America came up with the stereotype (along with things like watermelon), and continue to play with it.
>>55203988
There's a difference between wages and pay.
>>55203959
>>55204026
Yeah its fucking racist, piece of shit.
>>55203959
If you're going to go with a stereotype, might as well get the correct one.
>>55201482
Pol is shit and most are trolls, you imbecile.
>>55203403
why cant you guys be into cool cartoonists like robert crumb
mexico > usa
>>55201482
>Bernie fan
How's he going to pay for it? And don't say tax the rich, because the rich will leave before they ever have to pay a dime therefore making it impossible. Same shit's happening in Alberta now.
>>55201904
China has universal health care and it works.
>>55204166
most of /pol/ is trolls? besides some of the tinfoil shit and jew may mays there are millions of people that openly share the views of the average /pol/ poster. Some of the racist stuff maybe not so much publicly but very much so in a private setting.
Life is not a liberal arts college my reddit friend.
>>55201482
>Convince a libby to become a conservative
Y-you may someday become as wealthy as T-trump! (If not for the Jews, Niggers, Fags, etc. keeping you down)
>>55204202
Rofl. Anarchism doesn't mean you're not organized... stop pumping out fairy tails, you dumb statist... or "anarcho"-capitalist.
>>55204229
>totally ignoring the fact that the resources and manpower to feed the world exist and the only thing stopping it is nobody wants to foot the bill
>>55201847
>>55204302
>Life is not a liberal arts college my reddit friend.
Aww, a conservative you found 4chan. That's adorable.
>>55201482
The one and only real reason to be conservative is because the conservative position is the only one that makes monetary sense. Everything a conservative believes can be traced back to limited resources and unlimited want.
>>55204302
this, libtards are terrified at what people actually believe in the privacy of their own home
>>55204202
kek
>>55204417
Everyone posting in this thread, filter this poster if you want a real discussion.
Do not reply to modern liberalist posters.
Do not feed modern liberalist posters.
>>55201482
>/pol/
>neocon
What the fuck do you think a neocon is?
>>55204229
yes, but the thing is i would literally be locked up in a jail if i just went out and tried to hunt, fish or farm like nature intended. instead i have to run on an endless tredmill of wageslavery doing work that has literally zero to do with survival in a natural world.
>>55201737
Why would you want this to become an echo chamber? Pol is better as a Maelstrom of autistic beliefs.
>>55204417
not as adorable as you thinking that everyone here is trolling and doesn't actually hold nationalist views
>>55204506
>filter this poster if you want a real discussion.
Yeah, it'll let you get back to talking about niggers and jews. Just like every other thread here.
>>55204417
>>55204560
>and doesn't actually hold nationalist views
Yeah, enjoy your tribalism.
>>55204589
I don't hate african-americans or jews.
>>55204015
Thread should have ended here, but not enough of /pol/ has even read Moldbug these days.
>>55204417
I vote democrat about 75 percent of the time. But if you think that the views posted here "have" to be trolls you really need to get out more.
>>55203667
Get redpille'd
>>55204728
I'm annoyed because he is flooding the thread, I agree with the images.
>>55204664
implying homogeneity is a bad thing?
the more diverse a neighborhood is, the more unhappy and distrustful people are.
tribalism > no identity
>>55204725
I never said they "have to be trolls". Saying reverse-troll was in the context of that one reply to me.
Look I'm gonna say it the cleanest way I can.
You liberals think with your hearts and feelings, conservatives use their reasoning capability in the framework of tradition.
You want free-healthcare and free-college but do not realize the implications that this will cost everyone, you say this will only cost the rich then suggest something as silly as a 90% on the rich.
Which results in only two option for the rich, screw the system or leave the country.
No matter their choice they do this in large groups, now the country has been starved of it's life blood and has an extremely low amount of funds to draw from.
Do you know what historically has happened after that point? Other countries refuse to work with you and your people are starved and are forced to eat bars of soap. Which happened in the USSR.
I'll go on.
You want everyone to be able to act like how they feel, if it fits the narratives.
You want trans people to be able to destroy their own bodies and live like that, yet you do not consider the many studies even carried out by liberals which shows the suicide rates among post-operation transsexuals are higher than pre-op in every country.
You also ignore the many studies which show the majority of trans people suffer from general common mental illnesses. And of course the possible treatments.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
Again, thinking with your heart not your full logical reasoning capability.
And of race? It's a proven fact that a unified cultural identity doesn't form as easily with a diverse population.
No, what's needed is unity for a strong cultural identity, and a strong cultural identity is needed for the greatest possible dedication to the nation and it's people.
The majority of all issues can be seen in this fashion, do not mistake the common morality for true right wing morality however.
The further right you go, the less control the government and the more local the system is, the reason for this is simple, cont
>>55203362
>had a civil war to free people you enslaved
this is like jesus dying for the sins that he invented
>>55204866
original
>>55203404
Where is this data from? Seems interesting.
This headline should tell you the reason why.
>>55203592
i like how in the last panel they all have the same glasses and hair
they are fucking communists, they come out of molds from a fucking retard machine
>>55201482
>supporting a kike
GET STUFFED, FAGGOT OP
>>55204929
>that evil Pinochet
>b-but capitalism doesn't work
>>55203267
The bottom should be changed to Christian Conquest Battles and include South and Latin America.
>>55204882
The reason is, it's just simply more efficient. This is why you'll see the more left wing such as national socialism advocate for things like eugenics and the like.
Abortion for instance should be ruled in a region by region bases, if the majority of the population in the area says no than their money shouldn't be used for that. Simple.
All of the issues of the left wing-right wing dichotomy can be reduced to big government vs small government, all else can be boiled down to emotions vs reason.
Just remember, you can claim to be right wing and actually be left wing and vice versa. Examine your thoughts.
>>55201482
Don't know how much one thread alone is going to change your mind. Redpilling is a gradual process that is facilitated by a constant desire to know more. If you lurk around here, it will happen, not all at once, but in stages.
Also, neocons are fucking cancer. I'd start by reading about paleoconservativism first and eventually you'll come to your own conclusions.
In the meantime, here's a handy infograph about Jews.
>>55201482
Throw yourself off a building.
Fuck you.
>>55204882
>You liberals think with your hearts and feelings, conservatives use their reasoning capability in the framework of tradition.
How can you say this with a straight face?
>>55201482
>I am a liberal
>>>/trash/
You are reddit OP
have some more.
>>55204929
No one has ever argued capitalism has never been tried, the argument is that capitalism is the only system that works that's sustainable for a good quality of life for an extended period of time.
Which is why even the most socialist successful countries use mixed models, such as the Nordic model, or do as China does and uses capitalism in the hope that one day they can abandon it, which is the hope of the communist party of China.
This was also the argument of the Mensheviks, that a period of capitalism is needed to get the country in a good position for communism/socialism proper.
>>55203655
>ban guns to stop people from buying them!
>buys illegal drugs
>theres no such thing as race
>white people are the problem
>celebrate diversity
>by mixing everything up and creating a single model of life
>women are equal and even superior than man
>thats why men are in power and women are not
>demands equality
>complains if punched in the face
>demands equality
>demands special treatment for having a vagina
>>55205360
>No one has ever argued capitalism has never been tried,
Tell that to an "anarcho"-capitalist.
>>55201482
>/pol
>>55203693
they are the same species idiot, the canis canoideo
>>55205127
>The only indicator of a society is money
>>55204929
This is the most retarded image I have ever seen.
Those things weren't because of capitalism. They were because of Jewish Usury.
>>55201482
Assess every thing that the modern liberal using critical thinking and logic.
If you're not a brain-dead male or a woman, you should be able to turn yourself.
>>55203809
and yet rey mysterio won
>>55205059
>meditating on the brothers karamazov
I love how pol's reasons to be religious actually get shittier and shittier the more they try to make it seem intellectual.
>>55205500
>Those things weren't because of capitalism. They were because of Jewish Usury.
>the jews did it
ROFL.
>>55205215
>>55205253
Flinging shit around and being a blatant dick aren't how you win people over to your side, you autistic cocksnots. The goal is to educate people, not scorn them for falling into the trap of neo-Marxist liberalism. This guy is genuinely interested enough to want to know without being like OMG RASCIST NAZI SHITLORDS CALL THE ADF I NEED MY SAFE SPACE. Why waste an opportunity to try and convince someone who will actually listen for once?
>>55205550
>ROFL
>>>/trash/
>>55203874
the main difference being that besides physically, we boy liked heman and looked up to him because he not only was an ideal of strength, but also justice, peace, good, loyalty, friendship and other good values, while barbie is just a common whore with no values at all and no backstory
>>55202064
CAN'T SLEEVE THE STEVE
>>55205436
>what is purchasing power
>what is consumer choice theory
>what are mathematical models in econonometry
Did you see university just on a photo in your entire life or your just an ignorant hippy/socialist who learn about economics from internet pictures and memes?
>>55205221
Can you say how it is wrong logically or are you trapped in the influences of bandwagoning, pop-cultural memes and liberal bias?
>>55201482
Are you still here, OP?
>>55201482
We can see how progressiveness is working out in Europe right now. Their compassion for people that, at the very least, don't care about them is actually causing harm to the natives. To make matters worse, speaking the truth about the situation results in public ridicule or being outright arrested. How can progressives complain about cultural appropriation and sensitivity, when places like California or Texas are being culturally and demographically replaced due to illegal immigration? Why not make Mexico and China more diverse?
Did you grow up in a "diverse" neighborhood? And I don't mean a university or wealthy neighborhood. I mean where the young immigrants and poor minorities live and spend their time.
>>55201482
>sanders supporter
communists are a lost cause. Even I was never that bad
>>55205661
Are you one of those guys that would willingly sell their national identity to 'double the global GDP'?
>>55205595
>>55205221
>>>/trash/
>>55205613
I was actually circumcised for reasons other than the regular jewish defense "muh cumfurt" and no I am not jewish.
>>55205746
I fucking love Varg.
>>55205556
No Jew shall ever stand among us
>>55205500
Yeah the leopold one is blatant colonialism not capitalism.
>>55205917
They already did you fucking autist, there jews in the ss.
>>55206049
The fuck is this?
>>55206086
>>55206049
Of course we were "conquered" the romans had the ability to destroy us if the willed it.
>>55206001
What is the ancient western world if it is not Europe? Is it Russia?
>>55205887
>I was actually circumcised for reasons other than the regular jewish defense
What reason?
I'm circumsized, not jewish, and the reason was probably because my parents bought into the "cleanliness" meme.
The problem with socialism, isn't rooted in the fact it makes people poorer. Nor is it a matter of "freedom". Conservatives don't honestly support freedom. Framing the debate between socialism and capitalism, as a fight about economics and freedom, is a complete waste of time, because most people honestly do not care either way.
The problem with socialism, is its effects on human behavior. In short, socialism doesn't make people "better", it makes them worse, on all measures.
Why? Socialism makes people dependent. Not only are they completely dependent on others, and especially the government, for their livelihoods. They must use "the state" to both protect themselves from exploitation, as well as to further their own interests, so they are always in a state of "class conflict" with other members of society. Socialism undermines relationships, and tends to turn people against each other. It destroys families, it destroys communities, it destroys friendships. In socialist countries, the people don't talk to each other, and they tend to live alone.
The irony of socialism, is that it is more obsessed with money and materialism, than capitalism. Its entire philosophical foundation, is that people have a right to goods and services. That people have a right to some arbitrary standard-of-living, and the property of others.
It is the most evil philosophy ever invented. Not because of its intentions, but because of what it inevitably produces.
With that said, capitalism is pretty garbage as well. It is the philosophy of greed. And both capitalism and socialism, are inherently "international". They both want control over all of the world's resources. They are both poison.
>>55206174
>cleanliness
Oh jesus your parents were retards.
But there is inflation that can occur from a tight foreskin or an infected one, the only solution is to remove it, its rare enough and I cant remember the name, give me a while.
>>55201482
>/pol/
>neocon
kek, we're all Nazis or Libertarians.
>>55202424
Actually free health care would mean I, a white man, would be able to get treatment for my depression, my dental problems, and my skin condition.
Problems I cant afford to solve now or in the forseeable future
>>55204929
>chilean army
>executing innocents
Someone needs to take a helicopter ride.
