>atheists believe this randomly came out of nothing from nowhere one day by sheer luck
are viruses actually nanorobots
>OP believes this is good bait
>>55194948
Always thought that. It look more like a machine than a living organism.
>>55195029
I doubt that is how they actually look.
There is no way a living organism can be that symmetrical obviously
>>55194948
>>55195029
That is because viruses are technically not alive. If you take one out and study it by itself, nothing happens. They only kick into action when they are inside a living cell/organism.
>>55194948
define robot
these things are made out of carbon and such other organic materials though.
>>55194891
Except they don't, but I'm sure your shitty strawman will reach the bump limit.
>>55194948
Remnants of an extinct race of bio weapon users...
>creationist thinks that bacteriophages have legs
>>55195099
>>55195029
That is how they look, but it's obviously an artists' representation. It's geometrical like that, but it's so small it's not like it's actually a flat surface with rivets like that.
>Christians believe this was created by a loving and caring god
All life is precious right guys?
>sheer luck
OP is a faggot.
>>55195192
That shit looks fucking scary, fuck those
How can any living thing look remotely like that, I don't even science
Fun Fact: No one actually knows where viruses came from.
There are several competing hypotheses, but they all have gaping holes.
>>55195290
It's evolution, baby.
>>55195290
like another anon said, they aren't really "living things"
>>55195308
The Big Bang
Hah I win
>>55195029
>>55195099
Here's what's in OP's picture.
>>55195400
If they aren't alive, then how can they evolve?
I think I just understood OP's post now
>>55195400
>scientists go to distant planet
>find it teeming with viruses
>"NOPE NO LIFE HERE, PLANETS COMPLETELY DEAD LETS MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE"
>>55194891
4 BILLION YEARS
>>55195437
Is that shit inside me right now??!?
Wtf
>>55195515
>Viruses are considered by some to be a life form, because they carry genetic material, reproduce, and evolve through natural selection. However they lack key characteristics (such as cell structure) that are generally considered necessary to count as life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus
![icosahedral_symmetry_1_original[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xz5qb1H.jpg "icosahedral_symmetry_1_original[1].jpg")
>>55194891
>complex symmetry doesn't exist in nature
>magic is real!
>>55194891
It's more like an extraterrestrial material rather than the ID shit
>>55195515
Because the criteria to be considered "living" is not as black and white as it seems.
>>55195400
wait, they have DNA?
I always thought they only had RNA and needed to infect cells to reproduce
>>55194891
>some amino acids and proteins coming together over 4.5 billion years could never happen
1/10 I replied. Not an atheist, either.
>christians and muslims believe God made this using magic
>>55195640
>being this atheist
>tips fedora
God created all of that
>>55195664
it varies, some do and some don't
Check out Conway's Game of Life. It's a really enlightening insight into how complex systems can originate from seemingly random environments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2vgICfQawE
>>55195618
Probably more like something in >>55195640.
>>55195569
Why would there be viruses if there's nothing to infect?
Do you even know what you're talking about?
>>55195772
Is math invented or discovered?
We don't know
>>55195515
Viruses are a different kind of life. They are not cellular life, and thus, do not share a single common ancestor with the rest of organisms on this planet.
>>55195829
>Why would there be viruses if there's nothing to infect?
what about visiting the planet after they infected and killed everything?
YES THAT IS EXCATLY HOW VIRUSES LOOK LIKE
THAT IS REAL VIRUS 1000000X MAGNIFIED
CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT
>>55195829
Maybe he's implying they killed everything, then remained dormant.
>christfags tell themselves everything is only a few thousand years old because it's easier than imagining what can randomly happen over several billion years
i bet you think http://libraryofbabel.info/ is witchcraft
>>55195930
>>55195955
Sheiit
>>55195795
Cellular automata are cool as fuck.
![[Meguca]_Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_Part_III_-_Rebellion_[BD][h264-720p_AAC][06B21A44].mkv_snapshot_01.42.03_[2014.09.10_13.43.57].png](https://i.imgur.com/Khpx4no.jpg "[Meguca]_Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_Part_III_-_Rebellion_[BD][h264-720p_AAC][06B21A44].mkv_snapshot_01.42.03_[2014.09.10_13.43.57].png")
God created Ebola, Tuberculosis, Malaria and Cancer because he loves us.
>>55196017
Fuck off Ahmed, go fuck goat
I personally believe that Viruses are actually cellular swan songs. Or cellular manifestos, if you will.
Basically, bacteria have mechanisms for horizontal gene transfer that involve the use of plasmids. These plasmids contain small snippets of DNA that other surrounding cells can potentially incorporate into their own systems. As a result, these bacteria are capable of passing on their genetics without actually reproducing, which is one of the reason that bacteria are so efficient at surviving antibiotics if not treated properly.
In that same sense, I'm convinced viruses have similar origins. Rather than being a predecessor to cellular life forms, they are a derivative of it. That is to say, lifeforms "delibrately" (and I use this word extremely liberally) created viruses for the sake of imparting their own genetics onto other cells.
In other words, Viruses did not lead to life. Life, instead, lead to viruses and viruses are the tools of the trade.
>>55195943
kek
if viruses are so impressive to yall, just wait until you read about bacterial flagella
>>55195943
No, I would have to see it for myself
>>55195569
You're missing the point, anon.
Finding viruses would be an incredible discovery with staggering implications. But by no means are they living.
>>55196212
Why is this motor protein walking backwards?
>>55196105
Wat
>>55196212
The interesting thing is that part of the building blocks for flagella may well have come from viruses. The same injection system seen in the OPs picture shares similarities with the T3SS and PVL proteins which, in turn, share similarities with some of the components of the flagella.
>>55196317
What part are you confused about?
>>55194891
no they don't
Why did God create viruses?
>>55195230
>loving and caring god
>God-fearing christians
don't put your liberal spin on my religion
>>55196104
>hurr durr everyone who disagrees with me is a muslim!!!11
Hello Benjamin netanyahu
>>55194891
Thiests believe they're all loving god created something that is made to harm them
>>55196394
He touched himself at night.
>>55196398
So God isn't benevolent?
>>55195618
dude there's like 2lb of bacteria inside every person's body. dealwithit
>>55196394
so we can grow stronger
>>55196394
Because they would not free his people all through the land of Egypt.
>>55196105
Okay I am gonna put this to bed.
As you all know certain fungus produce penicillin yes? Well the same way that the fungus produces that substance certain cells produce a "weapon" against other cells if you will. A small weapon to fight other cells with. Unlike out White blood cells that make contact with ba shit to eat and kill it the virus comes from a cell that wishes to "missile" opponents cells... And thus the mini game of war continues in the microscopic kingdom.
Viruses sometimes get absorbed, malfolded and then replicated and thus "evolve" but they started out as a piece of a cell...
Basically...take a cell...and remove the part of its brain that is agressive...you have these evil little fuckers
>>55196394
To take care of the fags and niggers
>>55196408
>Australia
Into the trash it goes
>>55194891
Given what we've seen of the "Amazing" Atheist I think they might have other reasons for hating god.
>>55194891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS18h-_h6IM
I'm not an atheist, yet I believe in evolution. I also don't believe in the bible's myths, god created the world. I believe in god, but the word of man about how god created the word is just a fantasy.
>>55196503
>Basically...take a cell...and remove the part of its brain that is agressive...you have these evil little fuckers
I wouldn't say it's that simple, it's more like cancer in multicellular organisms. A tiny part of the larger lifeform going rogue and exploiting processes usually geared towards preserving life.
>>55196503
>Okay I am gonna put this to bed.
I don't see how anything you said really contradicts what I was getting at.
>>55196538
Please teach me how to argue, master.
This again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqE
Fuck Off you Creationist/Intelligent Design supporter.
This has been thoroughly been dealt with.
Each component part of the Bacterial Flagellum preforms a function and then evolved together because they were mutually beneficial for cellular structures when combined at a rate they were not when separate.
Literally pick a stronger "fuck you Atheism" argument.
>>55196545
Atheist here. I can't watch that guy for more than a minute. He seems to ramble too much.
Is he controlled opposition?
>>55196552
*world, fuck this kek baka senpai shit
>>55195772
Christians actually beliebe you made this in your garage
>>55196725
Believe*
>>55196105
This.
Logically, Cellular life must have originated first. Simply because viruses NEED other cells to even exist. They probably came in a commet as a care package from aliums. They will probably kill us all desu, senpai.
>>55196674
Probably the closest thing to a 'militant' atheist perhaps? Or maybe just loud.
>>55196545
>they hate something they don't believe in
>christian logic
>>55196674
thats just how atheists are.
>>55196597
>it's more like cancer in multicellular organisms
But cancer doesn't beget more cancer.
That is to say, you're not going to get cancer from someone who has cancer unless it's something like HPV.
Seems to me like viruses wouldn't be nearly as prolific as they are if there wasn't some sort of benefit for cells having them around, and I'm inclined to believe that horizontal gene transfer has a lot to do with it.
>>55196784
they do resent it
>>55196674
First we have to determine just how much is an act for his channel. I don't really care because I think he's pretty obnoxious and I don't like the way he approaches dissenting views and persons
>>55196812
>But cancer doesn't beget more cancer.
Yes it does.
>>55196484
>bacteria
>viruses
Completely different things, buddy
>>55195829
>Why would there be viruses if there's nothing to infect?
They killed all of their hosts. Now they lie dormant waiting for the next.
Virii are not alive. They do not "die" unless physically destroyed, and so under the right conditions can exist in an infectious state effectively forever.
>>55196545
He's an utter cunt.
He is to Hitchens and Dwakins, what Russel Brand is to Chomsky.
>>55196939
>>55195882
Math is invented. What it's used to represent is not in most cases. Just like the word 'tree' isn't a tree, it represents to us what a thing we see can be referred to so others can understand what we're talking about.
>>55196939
If any atheist resents something that doesn't exist, they're not Atheists.
I have no reason to hate god because I know he isn't real and has no influence over the world.
>>55196525
Why create fags and nogs?
>>55196212
source of this image?
>>55197147
It would be more accurate to say they hate the religious identities or some such, ie hating Islam or some such, does anyone give a fuck about Allah?
>>55195618
Don't worry about it. As the name "bacteriophage" suggests, they only attack bacteria.
Consider though, that the common cold is also a virus. If it were not for your immune system it would kill you horribly.
>>55196988
Not in the same sense that viruses do.
Cancer cells still maintain their genetic identity when they spread.
Viruses don't.
I could understand the comparison you're making if the cancer cells imparted their distinct malfunctions on the cells around them rather than outcompeting them, but I've not heard of that being the case.
>>55197246
I'm not making any comparison just pointing out that statement was wrong.
>>55197246
>Cancer cells still maintain their genetic identity when they spread.
They spread precisely by not maintaining their genetic identity, it's one of the hallmarks of cancer.
>>55194891
this is what it actually looks like, faggot pol
>>55195172
>extinct
>>55194891
Nigga I can invent my own bacteriophage. Not hard at all, nore is it that perfect robot form like ur pic
>>55196545
>Atheists
>Hating god
You can't hate what you don't believe in. If you're an atheist and claim to "hate" god you're just doing it to rebel and act like an edgy teenager.
>>55194948
came here to say that I bet one day not too long from now they'll come out and say they ARE nanobots, but made by whom?
>>55195515
Anything with nucleic acid can evolve. But not everything with nucleic acid is alive
>>55196803
Making atheists look like that is what "controlled opposition" could be.
Viruses are right on the fringe of what we can consider life which actually gives them a niche use in evolutionary studies. Nice Hoyle's Fallacy bait, OP.
![Boltzmann_%28427167382%29[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2RStsKD.jpg "Boltzmann_%28427167382%29[1].jpg")
I'm not an atheist or a monotheist.
You fundamentalist faggots should be aware something before you make threads like this one based on shit tier logic though:
>A Boltzmann brain is a hypothesized self aware entity which arises due to random fluctuations out of a state of chaos. The idea is named for the physicist Ludwig Boltzmann (1844–1906), who advanced an idea that the Universe is observed to be in a highly improbable non-equilibrium state because only when such states randomly occur can brains exist to be aware of the Universe. The term for this idea was then coined in 2004 by Andreas Albrecht and Lorenzo Sorbo.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain
>>55197377
this has to be an alien life form, viruses surely can't originate from Earth
The Miller-Urey experiment shows that components of organic life can be made from inorganic compounds, so its entirely possible for viruses and life to gradually evolve into what they are now
>>55197147
Christianity resents every other religion... hmm...
gg
New Atheism takes form in two lines of argument, both that there is no proof for God, but also propagates that people shouldn't hedge their bets with Pascals Wager (giving power to those who wield secular power in the name of Allah etc), because the morality of such a proposed deity is horrid. Its ambitious but is so to knock supporters out of the status quo: "but good things", side of religion.
Honestly I wouldn't give a shit if Christians weren't trying to preform the same process of cultural Marxism in education without being Marxist, and Muslims literally blow themselves up for their God to name only two.
>>55194891
>christ tards believe that the existence of complex things such as viruses in nature proves that errr.... jesus walked on water, or something
>>55194891
>single strand of RNA that can't reproduce without host
>>55197377
Not quite like that. That type of microscope requires the sample to be prepared first, which includes it being coated with a substance to allow it to be better imaged. Imperfections in the coating show up in the imagery, and this is especially apparent at very high magnifications - which that image is.
>>55196105
And the creatore of all things or aliums or whatever manifested the Universe into being have created the ability for living things to exist and persist so there has been a purpose for this existence of state or completely random luck or something we cannot even fathom
>>55195290
Because technically viruses aren't living or dead, they're essentially self replicating nanoscale biological bombs, a protective protein sheath covering a payload of DNA ready to be injected into a host.
Virii are fucking hard core.
>>55197377
how do they even know when to become "alive"?
>>55194891
>Random
As if there's ever been anything that was truly uncaused but still happened within our universe.
>>55197450
Angiogenesis has not been proved.
>>55197825
how did you know when to become alive? that's a dead sample.
>mfw I'l a biologist and I read all these posts
Damn... I really really hope I don't sound as retarded when commenting on things out of my field
>>55195829
Evolution means that life will explore all possible ecological niches, meaning that if something lives then something will live to kill it in scarcely imaginable ways.
>>55195400
Only because they need host species to reproduce, honestly the logic behind viruses being non-living is quite weak.
>>55194891
Protestant piece of shit.
Evolution is real and so is Christianity. Get the fuck over it.
>>55197437
>>55197079
>Implying any of them is anything but a kike or a faggot.
>>55197825
>how do they even know when to become "alive"?
They don't. The float around the environment until they come into contact with something they can infect.
They only become "alive" when they hijack the host cell's biological machinery.
>>55195099
>There is no way a living organism can be that symmetrical obviously
its called radial symmetry and yes a lot of organisms have it, particularly jellyfish are a notable example
>>55196466
its not about love rest assured
the argument a few quotes above is so dumb I refuse to answer.
anon is quite right though. This cuddly loving forgiving goody good god is a perversion of original teachings and yes, in a way, a liberalization though in this case an ancient one
What I don't get about creationists is that they believe the opposite. That there is a god designing those viruses or worse lifeforms like certain parasites.
>Hey I have this idea of a worm replacing a fish's tongue.
>Oh look at this. An insect taking aways fear of cats from mice. Noice...
>>55196212
>>55197223
It's not real.
http://www.studiodaily.com/2006/07/cellular-visions-the-inner-life-of-a-cell/
>>55194891
>atheists believe this randomly came out of nothing from nowhere one day by sheer luck
>Sheer luck
You don't understand evolution. Study more.
>>55197375
I think he's saying one just spreads and displaces normal cells while the other one infects the normal cells.
>Also mfw reading this thread and sick with a cold
>>55197377
anyone else see burgers?
>>55198164
It is to an extent, while it doesn't look like that, the action of moving up a protein by exchanging bonds is real
>>55198247
It's different scales. Viruses are to single cells as cancer is to the organism as a whole.
>>55196212
I'll just leave this here (features kinesin too)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHeTQLNFTgU
>>55196329
Mitochondria is a sign of beneficial bacteria. Joining our cells in symbiosis. Without them we would be fucked.
>>55198288
America does, they always see burgers
>>55198353
this guy must have parkinsons
>>55197557
You guys really need to realize how little you understand about science.
>>55198452
Its the atoms and molecules vibrating
>>55198404
guess Canadabro has some american blood in him
>>55198288
Yes
>athekeks still believe this was just chance
lol?
>>55198637
Yeah man, you totally are capable of comprehending a billion years and magic is a way more likely cause.
>>55194891
>Australia actually believes nobody will notice the proxy
Microbiologist here, what the fuck /pol/ I thought you were better than this.
>>55198402
Mitochondria exhibit the characteristics of bacteria, but they aren't a whole living organism inside of Eukaryotes, they are really just an organelle now. A better example of beneficial bacteria would be E. coli and other intestinal bacteria.
>>55198452
believe it or not, proteins dont have brains
the way that molecules interact is random contact in the cell, and thus they must be constantly moving
>>55197324
I literally clarified what I was getting at in the exact same post.
How about you just read thoroughly next time?
>>55198682
Honestly the more you study into Biochemisty, its hard to believe that this was all just chance. Why did Micelles decide to replicate. What prompted pre-cells that were just lipids and RNA to start duplicating? Why duplicate at all? If all life is governed by the laws of chemistry and physics, why is it that life would start in would essentially be the opposite of a negative gibbs free energy reaction. It doesn't make since to me
>>55198851
> its hard to believe that this was all just chance
Calm down, dr. carson
>It doesn't make since to me
>since
>>55198851
>Honestly the more you study into Biochemisty, its hard to believe that this was all just chance
You've never studied Biochemistry, all of this is extremely well understood, the longer you know chemistry you'll realize things like Collision Theory IS all virtually random
>>55198851
>What prompted pre-cells that were just lipids and RNA to start duplicating?
>lipids
>into RNA and replicating
have you not ever heard of a self replicating protein? god damn
>be in the opposite of gibbs free energy reaction
because its not, molecules form this way because its a favorable reaction or a protein and its synthesizer push the reaction and they're completely stable in the environment.
>>55198851
The theory goes that proto-cells divided by shearing forces from turbulence, like when you mix a bucket of soapy water to make bubbles.
>>55198851
>Honestly the more you study into Biochemisty, its hard to believe that this was all just chance
Yeah nah. Even with my basal knowledge of the matter it's obviously not fucking magic.
>>55194948
Every living thing is a nanorobot.
>>55194891
>I didn't go to school since I was 10: the post
>>55194891
You know, there are better ways to make friends
>>55198964
Whatever man, you can pick on my grammar all you want, but my point still stands. We still have no grasp on why cells decided to obtain nutrients to keep replicating, or how the mechanism of that decision even originated.
Something else I don't understand with Atheists is that if you think we are all governed by chemistry and physics, then you are saying that no one has free will and we are all byproducts of a linear biochemical reaction in our synapses. We all just make decisions based on genetic predisposition and past experiences.
Whats weird about this is, if no one really makes any choices, then the whole idea of a multiverse existing where different outcomes exist in parallel universes can't exist. Since there is no possibility for someone to make a different choice, since we don't have free will.
>>55197021
this just makes me feel like death is supposed to be the countermeasure to life.
WHAT IF VIRUSES ARE JUST MICROSCOPIC ANGELS?
>>55199245
>We still have no grasp on why cells decided to obtain nutrients to keep replicating
Yes we fucking do, stop making shit up.
>or how the mechanism even originated
We know that too, self replicating proteins ARE a thing, the entire mechanism is known to chemists and biochemists world wide.
You're literally just making shit up because you don't understand it and using big 20 dollar biology words you don't even know what they mean
>>55196491
Kek
>>55198570
>>55198611
c'mon guys I know scientists have sense of humour
>>55199258
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_many_angels_can_dance_on_the_head_of_a_pin%3F
>55199245
>no grasp on why cells decided to obtain nutrients to keep replicating
>why
>cells decided
Lmao you want me to believe you study biochemistry and yet you use these words
lmao
>
atheists LITERALLY believe this will turn into a human if u wait a while
>>55199003
Self replicating proteins, like RNA Polymerase 1 and 3, have to have nucleotide bases freely available, but you have to have energy to prompt this reaction to start. And don't give me shit about ATP, because the formation of that molecule takes a lot of shit that would have had to start pre-central dogma.
>protein and its synthesizer push the reaction and they're completely stable in the environment
Yeah thats given that the closed system is stable
>>55199484
Was for
>>55199245
>>55199509
>And on the 8th day, god created peanut butter
>>55194891
>religiousists believe that randomly ship shoopy boopitity boop
>>55199336
>Yes we fucking do, stop making shit up.
Yeah, alright.
>>55199509
nice b8
>>55199516
>you have to have energy to prompt this
which they do, through RNA and ATP that synthesizes and replicates them.
>the formation of that molecule
how the fuck can you claim that you study biochemistry but you don't know how ATP synthesis works or the cycle it comes from?
>that would have to start pre-central dogma
you're fucking retarded
>thats given that the closed system is stable
No you fucking idiot, the reactions are stable and energetically favorable. You can push an unfavorable reaction with an enzyme, a pH shift, a protein synthesizer, and so many other fucking ways you can push a reaction and it will be stable. You haven't studied chemistry at all if you don't know what an activation energy is.
>>55199638
>I claimed to study it
>but the shit I said was completely incorrect and proved that I didn't study it
>so I made some shit up
>because I don't understand it
>so when someone corrects me
>I still don't believe it because I don't understand it because I didn't study it
>so I continue to make shit up
>>55197021
Not really, the proteins will degrade naturally after a while. Most viruses can't remain viable for more than a few days outside of a body.
>>55194891
Strawman. There's a sticky right at the top explaining why you're retarded so I'm not gonna waste my time.
>>55199750
That's where "under the right conditions" comes in - i.e cold, dry and no light.
>>55194891
Can anyone xplain to me whats the deal with this shape?
I keep seeing it arround just like pic related
>>55199738
>know how ATP synthesis works or the cycle it comes from
Think about where that ATP synthesis came from.
I'm done here
>>55195099
>>55195029
>>55195192
>>55199960
You're literally fucking dumb and haven't studied any biochemistry
>>55199960
oh heres a more detailed one
literally google "How is ATP made"
I'm not spoon feeding you basic Biochemistry I material
>>55200026
Creepy tbqh
>>55199889
It's a protein. The "legs" are meant to latch on to a bacteria, where the "base" can then attach itself onto the cell wall, causing enzymes to be released that then cut a hole in the cell, where the DNA enters the cell, and begins to produce more bacteriophage.
Structure is function for protein.
>>55195882
>>55197143
Math is discovered
at it's most basic math is just counting
everything is made of a numerical amount of parts
and the laws of 2d and 3d geometry are a natural part of this reality
Humans merely invented a base 10 numerical system
to count the natural mathematics already inherent in the universe around us.
all we did was invent a numerical language
through which we interpret the mathematics naturally surrounding us
>>55197147
so you deny quantum probability, and the existence of the multi-verse
you deny that humans can evolve to a higher form of life
you deny that humans can survive the death of our star
you deny that humans can survive the heat death of the universe
your history will be lost to time, no one will ever remember you ever existed
you claim your life is devoid of purpose as your genes will never exist past 30 generations
you waste even more of your pointless existence by arguing online.
yet you lack any possible evidence for anything you say.
>>55199960
>I'm done here
you were done when you started asking "why" cells "decide" to do things you retard
i'm an engineer and I apparently have more knowledge in scientific method and thinking than you do, mr. I Took One Class in Biochemistry and got a C+
Does anyone have that one webm of the protein doing it's thing?
Do you know how many enzymes it takes just to do glycolysis?
Or how embedded everything is with the citric acid cycle and the pentosephosphate pathway. its a lot of fucking shit. Making ATP isn't some spontaneous shit, especially an amount that would be enough for RNA to replicate and then mutate enough so that it could eventually evolve a process where the phosopholipid bilayer that surrounds itself wouldn't bust while replicating.
>>55197268
>>55197294
Ugh wtf is the purpose of these little bastards. Inject a strand of DNA just to fuck up shit? You know you can't replicate if everything is dead, viruses.
Forget bacteria we've got systems to deal with that
Just how many of those ugly fucks live on your skin right this instant?
>>55200433
>wtf is the purpose
>purpose
you're asking the wrong questions, christfag
>>55200433
Same purpose we have
None
>>55200433
Their purpose is to replicate.
It's a shitty, impractical design, and if that's the best God could do then he needs to find another job.
>>55194891
But it does anon. And it has been proved and reproduced in a lab.
You can go back to your sect now (yes, you have sects in the US, not churches) friendly reminder that you're some heretic protestants.
>>55200673
>And it has been proved and reproduced in a lab.
Really? Since when?
>>55200460
None, because I don't live in Poland.
>>55194891
theists believe some invisible superhuman invented everything, which is even less believable.
>>55195172
>>55197389
>>55200391
>Do you know how many enzymes it takes just to do glycolysis?
yes
>Or how embedded everything is with the citric acid cycle and the pentosephosphate pathway.
yes
>making ATP isn't some spontaneous shit
actually it is, since all those reactions in that glycosis cycle are spontaneous, if they didn't happen on their own the reaction wouldn't go regardless if you could push the reaction unfavorably into stability.
>Its too complicated
>therefore all that science chemists have studied and established is all false because I'm too stupid to know or understand how it worked
>>55194891
That is not what atheists believe. No atheist has EVER said "something came from nothing." That is something theists say to straw man the argument.
>>55196080
>>55195230
Its just a disease, parasite to be specific. Just because these things exist doesn't mean God cannot exist
>>55200656
Evolution is driven by genetics,
and the death of inferior life.
and driven by mutation, and adaptation.
the basics of life is that the organism is an Organic chemical-ionic mechanical machine
the genetic code programs how an organism assembles, and maintains itself
it also programs basic instincts, and the personality of higher life forms.
in truth DNA is a genetic machine language, written in chemical format
it is base 4, with 6 bit bytes
the question lies in asking, which came first?
the machine or the programming language?
also
how did a programming language evolve
prior to the existence of the computer it was designed for?
>>55200788
I think >>55200673 is referring to the Miller-Urey experiment where they simulated a lightning strike/volcanic activity/high heat as a catalyst for the synthesis of organic macromolecules using only the gases and compounds (O2, CO2, N2, some basic alkanes) present during the earliest stages of the Earth's development.
The experiment found that yes, larger organic molecules that are similar to some of the more fundamental ones we see today (nucleic acids, amino acids, fatty alkyl chains, etc), and demonstrated that it's feasible for organic compounds to arise from inorganic ones.
It really just proved one small step in the process of going from space dust to sentient life, but that doesn't mean that it's insignificant, kind of like your fucking opinion that some space god came down, made a virus, then left.
>>55200637
>Their purpose is to replicate.
But like he said, if they ever perfect their replication to the point that it defeats the defenses of the species they attack, and there is nothing that can stop the species they attack from being infected, the viruses kill off the species. So in essence they've all committed suicide the moment they mutate into an unstoppable force.
>>55201123
lol ouch
Imagine a thinking sentient virus? nb4 niggers kek.
>>55199150
>nanorobot
404 education
>>55194891
It's how THEY evolve life on earth from a distance. Manipulation of genetics over time via organic nanobot viruses.
>>55201123
Well played fat fuck, well played.
>>55201603
That's just making amino acids though. I was referring to "life from scratch" (or would result in it given enough time) being done in a lab, which it has yet to be (to my knowledge).
>>55201603
UFOs are real which is something modern science and most people generally have not come to terms with.
There's no reason to write off such ideas out of hand.
>>55198288
So they come from the USA?
>>55201745
So?
If they happen to kill all their potential hosts then they simply die out.
They are not some kind of hive mind that plans their evolutionary path.
>>55196466
well he need to punish in some way, if he beat the crap out of you you should learn, if not you are stupid and you need to die
we have a phrase: somos hijos del rigor
>>55197377
How do we exterminate these fuckers? Is there any possible way.
>>55202366
Make a bacteriophagephage.
>>55202404
Bacteriophages are viruses that target bacteria. They don't exterminate other viruses.
>English education
>>55202366
antivirals
or kill all of their host bacteria so they degrade
>>55202491
phage means "eater".
>>55194948
>>55195029
All living things are just molecular robots; mechanical robots are just much less precise.
>>55202526
Which would still be irrelevant and meaningless in the context of what they asked which was how you would exterminate viruses.
>>55195618
your body is a community of 100 trillion cells
10 trillion of them are human
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDZLiZB0iPY
>>55202606
it could mean some kind of cell that phagocytes the virii, like our immunological cells do
>>55202606
>meaningless
"How do we get rid of bacteria eaters?"
"make a batera eater eater".
I'll admit that it wasn't my best joke, but it still flew several AUs over your head.
>this thing is too complex for myself to understand, therefore god is real
>>55202606
Well I see now that you were saying phagephage which clarifies your position even though it's still wrong. A phage replicates by hijacking the machinery of other cells; phages can't infect each other because upon inserting their DNA there wouldn't be any machinery to replicate it.
>>55202682
>>55202759
Yeah I realized what you said later. I've actually been working in a virology lab and upon reading your comment my brain autocompleted it to just "bacteriophage".
>>55202759
>This degree of autism
>>55202834
Must be all the vaccinations :^(
>>55202834
>people having a conversation to complex for you to understand
>callthemautists.tiff
>>55202620
>Marion Welsh's post
>Marion Welsh's videos
>>55201745
Are we really that different? We can and will use the earths resources until there are none, essentially committing suicide.
>>55194891
>>55195099
>nature doesn't have geometry!!!
It's been a good 18 years since I've first used the internet, and today I can finally say I've found the most absolute retarded posts ever created. Congratulations guys.
>>55196654
Mongols don't argue f-a-m they just take what they want, embrace your heritage
The human body is amazing isn't /pol/?
>>55196212
the way it walks is rad as fuck
>>55202973
>Make a flippant joke
>Guy doesn't get it and starts to explain why it's inaccurate
>Try to explain the joke
>Continues to explain why my joke is factually incorrect.
>Outright state "it's a joke mate".
>Autists continue to not understand
>>55194891
>geezeez made teh bacteriophages
Okay.
Thats not a virus thats a T4 Bacteriophage which can be found mainly in Indian rivers, which explains why the Indians praise the rivers, bacteriophages cure bacterial infections, and are evolved from viruses.
>>55203139
oh, youre the one who said bacteriophagephage, sorry, thought you were just jumping in
>>55203041
I get the impression we'll hear something even dumber within the next week, probably from Carson's mouth.
>>55203095
bad idea to watch this on 600mg of DXM
I pray to god everyday to not get spongiform encephalopathy
>>55198288
Wasn't gonna say anything because of my flag, but yes
>>55203171
bacteriophages are virii
>>55200433
If viruses had a "purpose" it would be killing everyone in the planet, not self preservation.
>>55203095
Everything is so god damn strange!!!
Why are able to comprehend all of this? I don't think the creator planned for us to develop such a consciousness and intellect. We became like the creator and now we are left with so many mysteries to solve.
I imagine the creator has an Australian sense of humor the fucking cunt
>>55195515
The reason viruses are not alive:
>no cellular membrane
>does not ALWAYS contain DNA as genetic material (HIV contains RNA for example)
>does not engage in any cellular respiration (which is the biggest indicator of a life-form)
however, just because they are not alive does not mean they do not function. Viruses rely on cellular hosts for survival. They can reproduce very efficiently if they can penetrate the nucleus of a cell.
personally, textbooks need to emphasis the term "functional" since that's exactly what a virus is. It's a functional unit of matter
>>55202564
don't cut yourself with that edge fuccboi
>>55203472
NO, MORE
MORE QUESTIONS
MORE ANSWERS
MORE GLORIOUS MINDFUCKING
viruses rid the earth of a human infestation
>>55203269
>doing psychedelics
Degenerate
>>55203472
>Why are able to comprehend all of this?
Individually? Nobody does, all of science is nothing more than ever more increasing amounts of specialization, allowing for the total knowledge base of humanity to expand. It's one thing to know how A interacts with X Y and Z, it's another thing entirely to know how A actually works.
>We became like the creator
If there is a creator, there is one very important distinction between us and him; we aren't "perfect" like he is, and thus have the potential to grow and surpass him.
>>55203657
they can try
>>55203557
What? It's an apt description, I don't see what your probl-
>check flag
>Romanian
Fuck off gypsy.
>>55194891
what is that, a robot?
robots are from the future
>>55203406
the "purpose" of viusesi is self replication, like all living organisms
the destruction of the cell is an "unintended" side effect of using its machinery
>>55203657
Go to sleep Agent Smith.
