Do you guys agree with the left/liberals on anything?
>>55193569
What's the difference between Nazism and Fascism?
You got your scale mixed up there dingus
nazis and fascists are far left (big government), anarchists are far right (small/no government)
>>55193637
DUDE
>>55193569
>>55193606
None.
The creator of this picture just added facism at the end to it to make the right seem balanced as opposed to the left.
>>55193606
>>55193637
I got this off of google images and looked at it for like 1 second, fuck off
>>55193711
WEED
>>55193637
This. Complete bullshit scale.
>anarchism
>slavery
wut
>>55193569
Slavery is at the far right.
More like total, unrestricted freedom.
>>55193569
left/right is a false dichotomy. you get labeled as "far right" just for opposing immigration
>>55193606
Modern fascism - Basically corporatism and nationalism in one.
Traditional Fascism - Government telling private businesses to invest elsewhere and in certain spots of the economy. (Capitalistic communism)
>>55193569
That picture is wrong on so many levels.
>Communism aka big controlling government, next step is anarchy
>slavery being based on left/right
>>55193569
>believing the left/right meme
>>55193637
Shouldn't liberalism be right wing as well then?
>>55193569
what am i looking at?
To answer your question OP, some things. Not enough to talk to SJWs and try to find common ground though.
>>55193606
I think its explicit racism. Right?
>>55193569
Yes, I'm actually a registered democrat.
However my party is so corrupted and rotten to the core I would rather the extreme right wing to take over than allow the insanity that the liberals promote become law. The left is such an embarrassment right now that I find it hard to even identify with it.
Putting aside the bullshit chart, I agree with a few things. For example, as a Conservative Christian, I oppose the death penalty.
I'd say the extreme right and extreme left both despise the state of Israel, though for different reasons.
Also an opposition to "multiculturalism" and an opposition to "cultural appropriation" end up with the same basic goal of cultural separation
>>55193606
I think it can be crudely summarised that the Nazis were essentially ethnocratic and the Fascists were essentially aristocratic, so it follows that the Nazis sought unify their society through socialism while the Fascists sought to divide theirs into corporations.
>>55193637
Its an economic scale retard. Most anarchists are commies,.
I agree with the left on weed and "free trade" deals. That's about it, though.
>>55194273
Same
Switching to (I) to vote for trump
>>55193848
> Capitalistic Communism
> Retards on parade
Fascism is a nationalistic expression of classic marxism, which imposes the Marxist Authoritarian Socialist State through incrementalism by the ballot box rather than proletarian revolution.
Fascism exploits the weaknesses of capitalism and democracy to undermine capitalism and democracy for the express purpose of imposing Marxism.
Nazism is the same fascism, with german chauvinism and racial ideology shoveled on top.
there is NO SUCH THING as "Capitalistic Communism" and only a downs syndrome retard could think otherwise.
>>55193569
I fixed the chart for you
I agree with some of their economic ideas. I specifically find mutualism/market socialism very appealing.
If you want to build a tight-knit nation of free men and stable families you need low economic inequalities and no poverty.
I support the opposition to armed intervention in foreign lands
I support direct democracy and oppose representative democracy.
Unfortunately all those things are not even supported by a majority of leftists here. Most fear direct democracy that they fear empowers "populists" and hawkish neocons are just as numerous among the left as the right.
>>55193606
Nazism is just fascism + supremacism, don't know why it's closer to the left
>>55194339
left/right isn't an economic scale, knucklehead
right
>>55194335
> derp... nazis tried to unify under socialism...
> italians divided into corporations...
you are ignorant and stupid.
hitler jammed his bigotry and chauvanism into fascism, but retained the corporatist structure.
marxism's greatest failing is their incompetence at economics, by subjugating those who actually know how to do math and run a company to The State, fascism takes advantage of capitalist expertise and efficiency to expand the power of The Authoritarian Socialist State
there is NO structural difference between Fascism and Nazism, save the german "innovation" of racial identity politics.
>>55193569
According to this graph the left wing is for ever more increasing government but also anarchy? That's retarded. Also Nazism being far right? Who made this?
>>55193569
>Anarchism
>Slavery
Slavery to yourself?
THE SURFACE IS GETTING HOTTERRRRR
>>55194339
Just because most anarchists don't know what they stand for doesn't make the graph accurate.
>>55193569
This picture is retarded. The progressive party is what gave way to facism, and anarchy is an extreme of one conservative belief (less government)
>>55193569
I don't feel terribly threatened by the whole sexuality things, although I think after the gay marriage they got scared they have no reason to be voted for anymore so they're just making shit up now.
/pol/ btfo
>>55194809
Think of it terms of primary virtues.
>On the right end of the graph, the primary virtue is the survival of the nation / culture.
>On the left, the primary virtue is equality.
>In the middle, the primary virtue is individual freedom.
As you move to the left, you're moving towards equality at the expense of the others, as leftists will sacrifice freedoms for equality. As you move to the right, you're sacrificing freedoms for the survival of the nation / the culture.
Too far towards equality, and the nation dissolves completely. Too far to the right, and you sacrifice any semblance of equality. Democrats and Republicans dance in the middle around freedom, but they'll abandon it for completely different goals.
>>55193606
The basis of Fascism (Italian fascism is used as the status quo) is corporatism. The basis of nazism is racism.
>>55193637
You're a fucking idiot who believes libertarian politics only.
>>55193569
Liberalism, fascism and anarchism ar centric, fascism being center right and anarchism being centre left with both being radical centrism.
Communism and socialism are in the right positions, monarchism is a bit more right so is conservatism.
Nazism is centre left.
I prefer pic related.
>>55194615
>If you want to build a tight-knit nation of free men and stable families you need low economic inequalities and no poverty
That is ridiculous. For people to get along you need them to be economically unrestricted. Holding anyone back for the sake of unity only breeds contempt. There are winners and losers, can't change that.
>>55193569
Right liberal is survival of the fittest (its actually impossible, cause whoever has power will detrmine whats wrong & whats right => not liberal)
Left liberal is teaching the people to get along with eachother so you dont need any rules.
>>55195170
Who is going to enforce equality if there is no government, certainly not the successful
>>55193569
placing fascism and nazism on the "right" and splitting marxism into 3 parts for the left is retarded.
marxism is authoritarian, in economics and politics
fascism and nazism are the same thing
fascism/nazism IS marxism, just a flavour most "Classic Marxists" dont like
Marxism is functionally indistinguishable from feudalism
Marxism's grand utopian promises will NEVER be fulfilled, so stuff that shit back into your bong
once you submit to Marxism's authoritarianism you will never be free from it.
Marxism has nothing new or constructive. it exists solely as a polemic against capitalism
meanwhile, capitalism is exclusively economic, and has no designs on politics or society save to ensure stability and keep markets running.
Classic Liberalism is about freedom, in society politics and economics, and thus embraces capitalism as the ONLY economic system compatible with freedom.
comparing Classic Liberalism to Marxism is ridiculous
comparing the economic theory capitalism to the socio-political-economic nonsense of Marxism is likewise ridiculous
>>55195160
>doesn't define the terms
>categorizes based on self reporting/propaganda (more than likely)
Wikipedia is far from infallible.
>>55195296
Anarchy is more of a theoretical consequence. If anyone can enforce anything, then people aren't equal. If you pursue equality above all else, then you can't have an administrative bureaucracy. No one can be in charge.
So, theoretically, the last step towards equality would be the dissolution of whatever's left of the government. And thus, anarchy. It probably wouldn't last, though.
Anarchism can't go to the right, because it's the opposite of the survival of the nation. And it doesn't go with freedom, because freedoms need at least a modicum of protection.
Anarchism is theoretical, but it would be far left if anywhere.
>>55195209
>>55195209
Left liberal is the project of having an enlightened society without the need for hierarchy.
>>55195444
>islam
>left
I didn't know ISIS were leftists.
>>55193569
I mean, if one Guy makes 500 million/year he should share a little...
>>55195444
>Marxism is functionally indistinguishable from feudalism
you dont know what Marxism is. In a true marxist society there would be no "fuedal lord" like in feudalism.
>>55195444
i hate marx but this is the most illiterate takedown i have ever seen. bad show.
>>55195722
> implying isis/isil/daesh are in favour of liberty or capitalism
by any measure Isis/isil/daesh are leftists
you just shrink away when you see what leftism looks like when it gains full control.
>>55193569
Yeah, many environmental issues. (Not talking about climate change.)
>>55195761
> implying one can make $500 million a year without paying a whole lot of motherfuckers for their labour.
> implying any nation on earth hasnt already taxed his $500 million down to ~ $400 million or less
> implying his $500 million gross has any relationship to his net acquisition.
Hell yeah. I voted Liberal this past (Canadian) election.
>>55196463
faggot
>>55193569
>Nazism right wing
>Fascism political system
Is that what they teach you in Jew kindergarten in USA?
>>55196507
Why?
>>55193569
Fixed for you, OP
>>55193569
This chart couldn't be more wrong if it tried.
>>55195821
> U Dont No Tru Marxism!!
Marxism
The State establishes a new aristocracy of The Party and it's apparatchiks.
The Party membership declares unwavering fealty to The State, in exchange for sinecures and grants of authority
The State takes full ownership of "The Means Of Production" which includes every square inch of land within a nation, every industry and the entire economy and places it under the control of The Party as the new aristocracy.
The State imposes draconian controls over the peasantry, telling them where to live, how to live, what to think, what they cant say, what they MUST say, and any attempt to escape is severely punished by The State
replace the words "The State" with "The Crown" and read that shit again
Marxism is functionally indistinguishable from feudalism
the only differences are:
marxists give themselves more modern titles of nobility
fedualists are more honest when they tell the peasants that they have to die before they can see paradise.
>>55196582
I thought it was supposed to be authoritarianism not fascism at the top
Who the fuck made this scale?
Communism next to Anarchism? Are they basing their shit on angsty High Schoolers?
>>55196959
fascism IS authoritarianism
the Marxist Authoritarian State is the pinnacle of authoritarianism, and has been most efficiently instituted by Fascism
even the Bolsheviks didnt dominate their peasantry as effectively as Fascism
>>55195761
Fuck you. Why should I be forced to give what I work so hard for to someone who sits on their ass all day doing nothing and expecting a good life for it?
>>55193569
We all realize that the continua we choose to place these ideologies to make nifty charts is completely arbitrary, right? And that putting ideologies on visual maps is only useful if it is at all instructive, that none of these maps are 'true' but are all perspectives and that most of the perspectives portrayed here are unbelievable idiotic and incredibly unedifying except to the absolute state of political and philosophical illiteracy which is proudly announced on this board constantly.
>>55193569
>left wing from middle to left
>some state
>more state
>no state
lol
>>55196532
>retard doesn't even know what right or left means
Right denotes power being theoretically derived and exercised from a top-down structure, left denotes power being theoretically derived and exercised collectively.
Facism and naziism are both top down in motive and method both theoretically and in practice.
Stop piecing together your knowledge of the world from oatmeal packets or whatever it is that your doing, and hit up a library you ignorant piece of trash.
>>55197267
One thing is for sure, if Americans say that Communism is most control by government, then Anarchism can't be even more control, since in Anarchism there is no control or government. Capitalism has no control over its market, it free, that's more anarchism than anything, capitalism also has no control over people. Communism has total control over people, no immigrants allowed. Fascism was literally Mussolini, but westerners are pushing hard to make it about something else. Bunch of partisans gathered to defeat Mussolini, they being anti-fascism(ANTIFA), Mussolini died and so did fascism. Those partisans happen to be in Socialism too, but this is where American logic gets confused, because they think all Communists stick together, since they don't understand what Socialism means. So now ANTIFA was made by Jews into cooperation of races against Nazis or some shit, when they don't even know what Nazism means, so now ANTIFA means basically free sex with any race, just like USA. If Socialism is about national interests, then it's national interests, one Socialistic country can't be immigrant friends with other Socialistic countries. This logic of everybody sticking together and mixing among each other, that's capitalism.
>>55194273
Oldfag here, the democrat party that once was is no more, it's been taking over by socialists or worse.
Remember the old saying by Kennedy,.."ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"? You'll never here a current democrat agree with it.
Democrats used to be very fiscal conservative,.. now they spend any money they can find and destroy governments in the process.
I don't know if you are a Trump supporter, but he's what we need to straighten the country out a bit, a protectionist that has a populist/nationalist agenda.
>>55193569
I am neutral about abortion. Mandatory abortions for rape, incest, and serious disabilities or puts the mothers life at risk. Other than that it is up to the woman.
I found this chart a while back, and I think it is more relevant after studying some of the various political ideologies.
I would replace tea party with nationalism, what do you guys think?
>>55193569
Scales are a fucking moronic way to think about political ideology. Anarchism is more similar to Conservatism than it is to any of the other things on that scale.
>>55193569
There's nothing wrong with being gay, but it shouldn't be politicized, packaged, and sold to children. Black people aren't the problem necessarily, since black conservatives are superior to white liberals. Classical liberalism isn't really modern liberalism.
>>55193733
Fascism is National Socualism without the ethnic ethos. It lends more towards a cultural awakening than a struggle in genetics and accepted corporatism.
>>55199144
>progressive is farther center then democrat
>tea party is farther right then republicans
>Fascism isnt corporatism.
I agree with them on some environmental issues, but that's about it.
>>55193569
FUCK THIS IMAGE
STOP USING IT
DELETE THIS
RREEEEE
>>55193733
You are an idiot. Nazism is an extremist darwinist ideology. Fascism is based on organicity.
>>55199144
American political system is basically 2 right-wing political parties: Democrats and Republicans. There isn't any real left-wing in American politics. It's all democracy. Communism and Socialism can't be liberal or democratical since people don't vote and individuals don't make television propaganda.
Just because there is Social in word, doesn't makes it Socialism. Social is word that existed for very long. Social Democrat, notice word Democrat. Social Democrat or Democrat is all Democracy. Socialism isn't democracy, it can't be liberal. For liberty to work you have to accept everybody, even foreigners, total democracy or acceptance of everybody is capitalism. Capitalism without rules is anarchism. You have partial anarchism on this world in middle east or Africa where money bags play gamble with people's lives with ties to west.
>>55199144
I don't get how people could put the tea party(minarchism) right next to Fascism(total govt control).
I mean that scale is all over the place, there is no logical "progression" in either direction.
>>55193774
>>55193827
Have either of you looked into anarchist Catalonia, it was fairly totalitarian.
>>55199973
I didn't really agree with the tea party label there because it is not a political ideology, it is more of a conservative movement.
Ideologies have a lot of opinions as to what they really believe, so after trying to grasp a definition of each, I looked for a chart that was in agreement as much as possible.
>>55193766
LMAO
>>55193569
Such a fucking stupid political scale.mits entirely wrong in so many ways and it's disgusting.
>>55200401
Totalitarian means that a guy has a lot of power over other people, can be because of money, because of spiritual power, because of government power, because of military power..etc. But that doesn't means a totalitarian leader has to be evil and misuse his power.
This is the only correct answer.
>>55200949
>Hitler using military power to take away property from Anglo-Russian monarchs and Jews, then nationalising it all for German native usage
That's not above capitalism that privatizes everything. Hitler was a pure Communist, but his political party was called National Socialists. He even used military power to do it. He wanted to control it all by himself(his political party) and his nation(the Germanic race) alone. Now try to guess why Jews didn't like it. Jews aren't native Germans, so Jews can't buy/own anything in Germany, neither could England or Russians, why there was WW2.
>>55193637
>>55193768
>>55193861
are you a liberal or just retarded?
Why they fuck does a party that endorses the government having control of everything end up as anarchy. This line of thinking never made sense to me. Right wingers usually want less government and more freedoms. If anything Left ends up as Facistism (big government nanny state that controls and regulates everything) and the Right ends up as anarchy (country becomes a giant Outback Steak House no rules just right).
>>55200949
>natural law
lol. Rights and laws are moral in nature and thus have no reality outside of the brains of men.
>>55195196
pic pretty accurate.
just kinda ruined it with the "jewisk kike gommunist zionists" cliche.
political systems when axplained in theory shouldnt be based off historical bias but their functionality and system. you had communist-style societies in communes, on some pirate ships, ancient (and prehistoric) village communities, modern camps, etc.
also fascism is just when the goverment and corporations decide to work together and go authoritian, so it would belong somewhere on the edges between blue and green
pic unrelated, its just google killing a donkey
>>55196887
socialsm that.
and the cliche argument is actually
>not tru communism!
>>55197018
but it is. read something that explains politics (and isnt shit tier propaganda).
i you want to understand communism, read he communist manifesto, not some "muh 098765432345678 gorillion gulags statists" book.
The only solution is centrist. Doesnt matter no matter how much politicians spew rhetoric and muh this and that, it'll always be about working for the society's elite in one form or another. This is a fact tell me one government that doesnt do this apart from an unbungabongo land with no actual institutionalized government
>>55199144
nope.
>implying socialist goverments cant be conservative
>what is ussr
>>55201196
His method of ownership doesnt make it communism you retarded slav. Its called conquest you, its happened throughout history its a natural process, even chimps do it. The two ideologies are distinct in many ways.
>>55200949
id take natsoc away from there and its topkek.
because hitler just took fascism and labeled it nationalsocialism.
he didnt do socialism, unless it came to nationalising jewish companies and banks.
he would be somewhere between the right top and left middle.
come to thinmk of it, you couldnt even fit a accurate political spectrum in 3d space
>>55194505
what the fuck are you talking about? The difference between national socialism and facism is the socialism part. All facism means is collusion between the state and corporations to the states own ends, it does't stipulate what the state spends all of its capitalism bux on.
I am an economic "right wing" facist, welfare weakens the character of a nation, it leads to softness and decay, open borders plus welfare is a complete suicidal disaster
>>55202363
Conservative means nothing anyway, since it can mean many different things. Nobody defined what is there to conserve. In USA they probably refer to conserving the laws more or less like they were. Some Christian will then say they conserve Christianity in USA, but i am not sure how they doing that if Jews/Vatican control it and have a saying how Christianity may evolve.
If you think about it, pope is a totalitarian Communist. Totalitarian because he is the spiritual Christian megaman on earth and Communism because people don't vote for pope, he is elected by Church(Communist) party who elects who they think will be able to successfully run the Christian(Socialistic) country. So if you follow both Pope, your presidents and also Jew market guidance you can no way be conservative or independent, since other meddle with your decisions both on money, spiritual & government level.
>>55202538
Hitler basically said, get out foreigners, we take this, it's our land, there is door or you get gassed. If that's not take something and nationalizing it then what is? Of course Hitler can't bake bread, repair bicycles all at once, so he had to distribute work among his precious Germanic people, but the industry is still controlled by Hitler's party.
We need some of political movment that is both liberal(economic & social wise) but then again patriotic and anti mass immigration. Or maybe I'm alone with such beliefs.
>>55198995
The top tax rate in good ol' days of Kennedy was 90%. Republicans are pure bullshit and consider getting rid of Dubyas tax cuts to be socialist communism.die in a fire pls
>>55193569
>Anarchism being to the left of communism
>Literally going from total government control to no government control by slightly moving left
Find a better political spectrum, social policies are on a different scale to economic policies.
>>55203252
>ibn4 muh redscare
>ibn4 its 1950
>ibn4 whats biased media?
>>55193569
Net Neutrality
HOW HAS NOBODY POSTED THIS PIC YET?!
>>55205180
Fascism is centrist, libertarian scum.
>>55202035
It was a joke I made in one of my NatSoc threads I held, had to give them up.
>>55202363
Ahhhh,... point noted brother! Well said!
>>55203042
Read up history a little bit better,..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1964
>>55193569
Nazism and Fascism are both forms of socialism.
>>55207992
kill yourself. just kill yourself you stupid liberal demoratic piece of worthelss shit.
>>55193569
Leftists live in this fuckin fairytale where communism and anarchism both have tiny govt. Ive asked leftists about it and they just dodge the question
