>"There is not a person in the world who could make this pencil."
>"The wood, from all I know, comes from a tree in Washington. To cut the tree, it took a saw. To make a saw, it took steel. To make the steel, it took iron ore."
>"The compressed graphite core comes from mines in South America. The eraser comes from a rubber tree from Malaysia."
>"The yellow paint, the black lines, the glue that holds it together, literally thousands of people cooperated to make this pencil. People who don't speak the same language, who practice different religions, who might hate one another if they ever met."
>"What brought them together and induced them to cooperate to make this pencil? It was the magic of the price system, the impersonal operation of prices, that got them together to cooperate and make this pencil, so that you could have it for a trifling sum."
>"That is why the operation of the free market is so essential, not only to promote productive efficiency, but even more, to foster harmony and peace among the peoples of the world"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8
You can't refute this
Milton is based as fuck
>pic of contemplative jew-lord
>aalewis tier quote attached
Please frame your post in a less pathetic way
why do ancaps always do this
literally any thread about taxes or legislation an ancap will inevitably pop in for the sole purpose of posting
>implying implications
and a picture of Rothberg
you really expect me to believe a desire to follow isn't in human nature when you yourselves basically grovel at the feet of people like von mises every day
>>55191850
I don't think Friedman was even close to an anarchist.
Unless you're going to move the goalpost and say Friedman is an ancap while talking about his son.
>>55191850
His name was Rothbard, and Milton Friedman is not an ancap.
>>55191830
Pic related
>>55191509
>"That is why the operation of the free market is so essential, not only to promote productive efficiency, but even more, to foster harmony and peace among the peoples of the world"
Tell that to Chile, Friedman has free reign there after the CIA ousted the democratically elected government and replaced it with Pinochet. See how well that went.
>>55191850
>implying ancap
I am a paleoconservative who believes in the free market coexisting with nationalism, law and order, traditional values, etc.
ancaps and libertarians have become kekies nowadays
>>55191923
Is this a troll?
Chile is a very successful example, it is now far wealthier than its socialist neighbors, and with lower inequality than them as well.
Pinochet's reforms were so successful even leftists elected later did not dare touch them (e.g. the pension/savings system)
>>55191923
Pretty well actually. Chile is one of the only countries in South America that isn't completely irredeemable.
>>55191923
>see how well that went
poverty levels massively dropped, living standard massively rose
chile was a massive success of the free enterprise system
>>55191931
'traditional values' like drug prohibition? See what old Milton has to say about that.
> Free market BUT NO FREE DRUG MARKET
> your ideology iss wildly inconsistent
on old miltons death bed he told pat buchanan that he was completely wrong about free trade and unrestrained capitalism.
what we have today is not a free market. and i really hope you don't conflate the terms "free market" and "free trade".
>>55192057
>traditional values
>a law that lasted 13 years
>>55192057
people should be free to ruin their lives with drugs but taxpayers shouldn't pay for their treatment.
I believe in discouraging drugs, not banning them
>>55192057
>Milton Friedman: Why Drugs Should Be Legalized
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY
This was in 1991. The war on drugs was in full swing, such opinions were considered extremely radical.
When Ron Paul first said he thought drugs should be legalized, the talk show host almost punched him after yelling in his face for about a minute.
The audience full of leftist students almost lynched him too.
It's okay people who don't believe in liberty tend to be slow, but at least they learn eventually.
The EU is now starting to consider Milton Friedman's basic income idea, a few decades later.
>>55192111
What we have today is a corrupt corporaratist state, which is nowhere near close to a free market
but it's still 1000x better than anything socialism could accomplish
>>55192270
what we have today is an economic free-for-all, where anything goes. the end result of unrestrained capitalism.
also the socialist argument is kinda stupid. we have many socialistic policies in this country. also national socialism took germany from a shithole, to an economic/industrial powerhouse in literally just a few years. they were pretty hands off when it came to small businesses, and they would put a member of the NSDAP on the board of directors of every big corporation to make sure the will of the people of the country had a say in the company.
personally i think it's a pretty good system. it was basically a free market for most people and businesses, and restraints were put on big companies that were large enough to do damage to the country.
i don't think it's socialism you should be talking about. it's communism that's the enemy
>>55192719
>unrestrained capitalism.
You mean cronyism combined with American socialism
Social security, medicare, and medicaid are unsustainable.
>>55192719
> unrestrained capitalism
In what universe do we have anything close to free markets?
If I wanted to start an aerospace firm tomorrow, do you know how many millions I need to process licenses, adhere to regulations, etc?
Not unrestrained.. but protected market. Those that are close with government are protected in a crony corporatist kind of way. Government squashes their small competition by writing ridiculous regulations and corporations pay for their political campaigns.
>>55192719
>an economic free-for-all
That's not true though.
Tax systems and regulations have become so lengthy and complex that it is very hard for an average Joe to start his own business.
The death of small businesses is a big cause for the rise of inequality too.
>>55191509
>>"What brought them together and induced them to cooperate to make this pencil? It was the magic of the price system, the impersonal operation of prices, that got them together to cooperate and make this pencil, so that you could have it for a trifling sum."
At least some of them - perhaps not in the case of a pencil, but in general when it comes to consumer products - did not come together voluntarily. Slaves - either of the officially recognized slave type, or the foxconn suicide net type, for example.
Much though I'm a supporter of mostly-free markets, they are not moral guides or even particularly useful for moral heuristics. They are simply functional.
>>55191923
Naomi Klein pls go.
>>55191509
>You can't refute this
Why would you?
To be fair, even Marx wasn't anti-capitalist. He said that if your goal is to quickly improve the quality of life for the most people, then capitalism is absolutely the best system. His criticism wasn't that it didn't work, it's that you get diminishing returns after a while, and that capitalism leads to rising inequality and a kind of new aristocracy, as money begets more and true competition is stifled.
The aristocrats ruled until they were overthrown by the merchant class. Then the merchants rule, until they're overthrown by the workers, and then comes communism. He never believed that capitalism wasn't useful or necessary; he thought that capitalism was an important step towards the eventual rule by the workers.
Just, you know, to be fair.
![Michael_P._Huerta[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/p7Q3Rxs.jpg "Michael_P._Huerta[1].jpg")
>>55193185
>aerospace
This shit right here, most general aviation aircraft are homebuilt because getting a design approved by the FAA is a fucking nightmare. Hell, with drones to, say, deliver a six-pack of beer a short distance, the FAA will crack down on it and have been utterly dragging their feet on allowing drones for commercial purposes, and are in the process of regulating them for personal use.
And if you want to fly a plane, only within the past few years did they allow antidepressants, which a large chunk of the population are on, at all. And you have to go through a battery of tests from certain doctors (only two in my state) to have the results sent to the FAA headquarters to finally be allowed to fly anything above a Light Sport aircraft. Being shat on by a government policy no one cares about is suffering.
Fuck Michael HueHueHuerta, I bet he doesn't even like planes.
>>55194038
In what context can someone who voluntarily agree to being paid for doing work is considered a 'slave'? The agreement is mutually beneficial-- if it weren't the worker would look elsewhere for employment or be self-employed.
The truth is sweatshops are tremendously beneficial for the poor, as they provide wages 3x to 7x better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxBzKkWo0mo
>>55194847
>if it weren't the worker would look elsewhere for employment or be self-employed.
This only works if
(a) Labour has value, so a worker can quit and find work elsewhere. If there are more people than there are jobs, then quitting a poverty tier sweatshop job is just a slower suicide.
(b) There aren't a mess of regulatory difficulties to starting your own business to be self employed.
In many countries neither (a) or (b) are met. If your circumstances are such that your only option is to take a sweatshop job with excessive hours or to die, you are not being presented with any real choice. It's 'voluntary' in that you can choose the alternative of starving to death, but you've no real choice.
>>55195133
>Labour has value
This should more accurately read 'Labour is somewhat scarce', the point being that in many places there are more potential workers than there are jobs that need done leading to the described situation of quitting being condemning oneself to starvation.
>>55191509
no shit sherlock
such enlightenment
>>55195133
The fact is by taking away so-called sweatshops, you take away options from the worker. You impoverish him further.
>>55194038
The Chinese line up for days for a chance to work at Foxconn, which is considered one of the best places for uneducated labor in China
Not only does it not have anything to do with slavery, but as history has shown, countries like South Korea and Taiwan who took advantage of "sweatshops" ended up progressing and becoming much more rich and successful than the ones that rejected them, like India.
>>55195611
tell that to Trump and Sanders supporters that want to eliminate trade
>>55191509
capitalism is the bastard child of liberalism. It is equally a secularizing and deculturalizing force as communism. It seeks the removal of all barriers of trade including social barriers such as marriage, family, gender, even spirituality. Its decisions are calculated in math and flung upon humanity regardless of the consequences. It will leave an entire generation broke with no opportunity in order to flock to 3rd world countries to lower labor costs, and will leave them just as abrubtly if an opportunity presents itself again. They will wipe out your national identity for cheap labor and profit from addictions. All capitalism provides is a miserable despiritualized human surrounded by toys
>>55195880
Capitalism is what happens when people are left alone.
Prove it wrong.
>>55191992
12000 PPA is still 3rd world shill
actually i would say that in regards of getting shit done (for the country, people, science, human progress):
fascism/NatSoc > capitalism >>>>> rest
capitalism: you buy companies to destroy their research and sell indivudual pieces so that their product is in conflict with yours. thats why we still have such shitty batteries for instance... fossil fuel companies don´t want that.
or look at the pharma industry. medication-reseach held back on purpose because cancer and AIDS are billion dollar industries. one can find much more examples. our current system, being corporate-fascism, is as degenerate as pure capitalism.
humanity could get much more shit done would we not have our kike overlords. instead we are busy fighting each other because of instillied cultural marxism.
>>55196269
not "so that their" but "because their"
>>55196007
Truth.
>>55196007
Meanwhile, in the real world, outside of the opinions of some idiot, free trade and globalization are eliminating absolute poverty and dropping child mortality rates to near US levels worldwide
But I'm sure someone's opinion is more important than the actual facts
>>55196592
Did you even read the image?
>>55196592
This, globalization is an absolute blessing for the third world, and people who get all bothered about McDonalds displacing their local culture basically want to preserve the third world as a sort of zoo. The third worlders have more right to decide if they want to eat burgers than you do.
At least right-wing protectionists like Buchanan are internally consistent as their reasoning is "protect American workers, turd world can fuck itself," while the Naomi Klein types present the utter absurdity that taking away opportunity from the third world will help them.
>>55196592
Because 1.25 a day is the same amount of purchasing power in 1990 as it is in 2030, which somehow Jon Berkeley can peer into.
>>55196852
Why did I just read a real post on /pol/ that had something to contribute?
Wait, a whole thread? What the fuck?
>>55196852
No one who understands any of this will argue that according to their theories, workers will reach parity in quality of life due to globalism.
In reality most of the world is filled with niggers and will never stop murdering each other with machetes and open a fro-yo stand.
>>55196957
It wasn't always $1.25
There has never been a force for good so successful (and so quickly) as free trade and the evil globalization.
>>55196592
And what in what years dollars is this measured in? This seems to be just a nominal wage chart that doesn't calculate inflation.
These people are probably a nickel better off than before.
>>55191923
It went pretty good, actually.
If I had to choose either them or Venezuela to live in, I'd pick Chile every time.
>>55192231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyV9Owe3ojA&ab_channel=BowdeanMcnowski
>>55196592
>muh third world lives
>muh crying hungry chilluns
No one gives a shit m8. It's worth nothing if the world is going to become a dull, gray, multikulti mess.
>>55191931
Just because a lot of dumb fucks call themselves Libertarians doesn't mean Libertarianism is lulzy. Don't let those fools represent our noble ideology. My opinions are probably more in line with yours than anything.
And don't tie us in with ancaps, those guys are fools.
>>55197584
Young Ron had a much bigger mouth than his beta son.
>>55197584
Morton Downey Jr. is so fuckin based. We need so many more people like him in this world.
Ignore OP fellas, we're just encouraging the lefties to be retards so the EU and Germany collapse and our denbts won't need to be paid.
>>55191509
Wood: Texas has forests in NW, not so small industry of it.
Steel: Texas has iron mines.
Graphite: Texas has graphite mines.
Glue: Yep, Texas, shit ton from rendering plants from the shit ton of ag business.
paint: Texas, hello oil.
rubber: Texas has a synthetic rubber industry.
So, Texas can a pencil from start to finish.
>>55197584
Holy shit I never thought people actually took Charlie Rangle seriously what the fuck.
But yeah Doom Paul albeit somewhat insane has always been right and Kike Paul is a disgrace to his father
>>55199670
Texas isn't a person ye big bollucks
>>55200658
True, but while the anecdote talks of an individual, it also pushes the narrative that globalism is required, which is false.
i wish he was prez
>>55192231
>basic income
You mean the reverse income tax?
>>55197051
based Greekbro
