Name a more overrated general. Bet you can't.
>>53822894
>hitler
Bet I can.
>>53822995
Germany BTFO!
Cant stump the Trump
>>53822990
>Hitler
>General
Pick one and only one.
>>53822995
Not to say that MacArthur isn't overrated, but he doesn't have nearly the same level of popular fame that Rommel does. If you ask 20 random people on the street who MacArthur ones, I'd guess no more than 3 of them would have heard of him, and if they have, they remember something or other about Korea.
Eisenhower
>Total incompetent fag that MacArthur wanted demoted and removed from Pacific Forces. Instead of demotion for incompetence was transferred to be Supreme commander allied forces due to the 'special' relationship he had with that Jewish Senator since a young cadet at WestPoint where he was known as the Swedish Jew
>>53822894
Caesar.
>>53823143
I hear way more about MacArthur than I ever heard about Rommel. I was forced to learn all kinds of shit about MacArthur, but I never learned anything about Rommel that I didn't learn on my own time. There's probably a few reasons for that, like my not being German and the fact that I live in Virginia, where half the shit in Norfolk is named after MacArthur.
>>53822894
*tips mütze*
>>53822894
Rommel is indeed the most overrated general.
But I think some honorable mentions:
>Zhukov
He was above average for a Russian but still no genius.
>Robert E. Lee
Honestly what did he really do? He had some great battles but mostly due to his excellent subordinates.
>>53823474
This.
He was a shit writer too (assuming he didn't just get some scribe to write the Gallic Wars for him).
Simple, boring Latin made for all the dumbshit plebs back in Rome. Because it's so stupid simple, shitty Classics teachers have used the Gallic Wars to teach beginners for years.
tl;dr IMO Caesar not only killed the Republic but also killed the Latin language.
>>53823743
Now that I think about it, it's really more about having a good story or an interesting personality than it is about doing your job well. But I guess that's true in every field.
This
>>53822894
Rommel did an outstanding job with what he had to work with. Being a good general is mostly being realistic.
The whole time he was in North Africa he received app. 1,500 replacement troops rated as 1-A. Most of them were twos and even 3s and 4s. The Germans captured some Mongolians and Koreans around Moscow, put them in German uniforms and sent them to Rommel as 'reinforcements'. Germany's Eastern Front always had priority for men and material over the other fronts, except for June18-28, 1944.
>>53822894
Patton.
>>53824348
delte this
>>53824087
So I guess Caesar was black.
>>53826157
Monty.
>Muh el Alamein
>>53822995
This. Came into this thread to post this. What the fuck did he do other than Inchon? Nothing.
>>53826504
Taught the Roos how to shitpost. For reference see all communications with Truman. Then turned the lights back oh in Nippon.
Disaster
>>53822894
Was he a general?
>>53826790
Not OP, but mostly.
monty
manstein
zhukov
rundstedt
patton
>>53822995
I don't know anything about Macarthur other than he commanded pacific forces. I just figured he wasn't that bad considering we won and he wasn't fired.
What did he do?
Almost all WW2 generals were pretty badass
>>53826790
Nah, he's most remembered as a traitor to the Reich and a traitor to his Fuehrer; a man who was given the option of honorable suicide even though he IN NO WAY deserved it. He should've been hung in Flossenberg with all of the other TRAITORS.
Rommel's problem wasn't a lack of skill, it was the fact that Hitler went full retard and invaded the Soviet Union. Operation Barbarossa became such a drain on Germany that while the troops in the East were getting Panthers, Rommel had to make do with PzKpfw IIs and IIIs. He even remarked that the fucking General Lee tank outclassed their shit, and that tank wasn't exactly the highlight of America's wartime tank production. The fact that he actually managed to fight so long with shitty scraps and leftovers is a testament to how brilliant he was. In the end he simply didn't have enough manpower and effective armor to beat the Allies in North Africa.
>>53827038
Drove too deep into North Korea during the Korean war and got China involved. Ended up getting us kicked back to what we know today as the demilitarization zone.
Patton many of his quotes are cringe too
>>53827123
Loyalty to your country is far more important than loyalty to your leader, Hitlerfag
Can't believe nobody mentioned this snow ape.
>Send hundreds of thousands of conscripts and tanks into the meat grinder
>finally win after tremendous loses
>hurr hurr le superior tactician
>>53823143
MacArthur is probably the most overrated
tinyurl com/p7togco
That blog is great for redpilling you on ww2 military history. When I first read through it I read it for hour after hour after hour without blinking.
George Washington
>>53827509
/thread
>>53827509
>Georgy "Artillery is a meme" Zhukov
Yeah, this definitely wins it.
>>53827270
China was going in no matter what.
>>53822995
what, he is almost singlehandedly why japan is a relevant, stable country today
http://life-magazine-scrapbook.tumblr.com/post/118633451669/erwin-rommel
Hannibal
>>53827270
And thats because he was replaced by someone more competent later in the war. If he wasnt fired China might have pushed murrika all the way out of korea
>>53822894
>owes his rank entirely to hitler
>almost fucked up in france 1940
>almost fucked up the moment he arrived in africa
>fucked up in africa
The shit happening in Normandy was partially his fault too. Overrated to a T.
>>53827038
>What did he do?
More Like what didn't he do?
>Ignored orders from his superiors including Truman and Roosevelt
>Would often promote soldiers based on how loyal they were to the general
>Didn't let Australians on his staff during the Pacific Campaign despite having both the home field advantage and lots of combat experience
>Bad boss to anyone he thought was under-performing, even if they weren't. MacArthur rarely approached the front lines, which meant he had no conception of the horrific New Guinea terrain, which meant he thought his men were slackers when they were literally hung up on mountains and bunkers. On at least two occasions, commanders were sacked right at the point where they were about to succeed, and their replacements got all the credit.
>The Bonus Army was an assemblage of several World War I veterans, their families and others, who gathered in Washington, D.C., in the spring and summer of 1932, to demand early cash-payment redemption of their service certificates. Herbert Hoover ordered MacArthur to disperse the Bonus Army to which he complied by sending in tanks to break it up injuring hundreds
>It got to a point where MacArthur tried to use nuclear weapons without the president's permission to continue the assault on China druing the Korean War, via the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>In exchange for acquisition of the information gained in the studies of the biological warfare, MacArthur granted immunity to Shiro Ishii's Unit 731; who conducted lethal human experimentation during the Sino-Japanese War. None of those guys were ever tried for war crimes, largely due to MacArthur.
>He also promoted himself aggressively to get a Medal of Honor, even going so far as to recommend himself for one, his Medal of Honor should never have been awarded for "Defense of the Philippines" because the Philippines fell to Japan, and he did not personally see or engage in combat during the battle, instead being evacuated as soon as possible.
>>53824348
>Australian flag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZUoCpx8jag
Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
William Tecumseh Sherman
Rommel deserves his reputation, though I think he would agree that Guderian was the superior commander.
>>53827509
This so much.
When I hear a Soviet circle jerker mention Zhukov and "tactical art" in the same sentence I just have to laugh. The snow slav did nothing more than throw men and material into the meatgrinder until it broke.
>>53827458
One was equal to the other at this point
>>53829130
His troops used to call him "Dug in Doug" because he never showed at the front.
>>53823038
Good Enough
>>53829632
Not really, the war was lost, what the point in getting several more millions germans dead and country bombed to ruins?
>>53829130
The best part is from Midway on a literal retard could have easily won the Pacific theatre given that it was entirely island hopping and the US had complete naval superiority.
Every land battle the US outnumbered the out of supply nips ten to one.
The credit for that entire war should have been given to your navy.
>>53826499
Muh market garden
>>53831667
MacArthur wasnt involved in midway. That was a US Navy operation.
Most of the island hopping through the eastern side of the pacific were Navy/Marine operations.
Macathur was relegated to chasing the japs by thrusting north through Papua new Guinea.
The US Navy were really running the pacific theatre. MacArthur was relegated to being second tier and his army had to rely on being supplied and fed Australia for material goods whilst the Navy got priority from the US pentagon
>>53822995
>runs away from his men in the Philippines
The American Paulus
>>53827458
This
Rommel died for his country
The killing of Hitler was the only way to prevent the Soviets from culturally enriching Germany
Sun Tzu
>>53822894
This guy, tbh.
Drives a nice red Corvette, tho.
>>53829303
Manstein too.
>>53822894
Frederick II
>literally got lucky
>his biggest success was avoiding total defeat
>>53833494
Kind of sad that Nimitz was not given superstar status, even though he pretty much won the war in the Pacific. Also props to Vandegrift for making MacArthur look like an even bigger assclown than he already was.
>>53836605
>at his first battle the Austrians break through the Prussian flank and expecting defeat he flees the field
>the Prussian line infantry don't even give a shit and just turn on the flankers, rout them and then the rest of the Austrians
He was a pretty decent monarch but he was lucky his father left him with such a disciplined army.
So, I've always wondered about this: Was Robert E. Lee really a great general or was he great because he really fought against a succession of really very poor Union generals until Grant.
Up until Lee met Grant, he had victory after victory. When grant came East, Lee started to lose and the war bogged down into an attrition slogging match. That suggests both generals were evenly matched.
>Lee wasn't that great. His opponents were bad leaders.
>>53836748
Expanding on this, look up Miracle of the House of Brandenburg. Or something like that.
Tl;dr
>gets BTFO
>retreats
>enemy army chooses to not attack Berlin because they think his force is larger than it really is
>>53824087
>killed the Latin language
This is what Ciceronians actually believe.
>>53823143
No more than three?! You are vastly overestimating our intelligence level
>>53823743
>Robert E. Lee
>overrated
You can't be serious. The only way the Union could beat him was sending their guys to get killed and hope Lee ran out of bullets. Chancellorsville? Fredericksburg? The Wilderness? Cold Harbor? Fought an army twice his size to a draw at Antietam?
In fact, if it weren't for fucking Ewell he would have won Gettysburg too.
>>53822894
Sir Douglas Haig
But I guess everyone realizes now that he was a fucking idiot.
Rommel takes the cake. He's held up by the West because he "wasn't a Nazi" and was a nice man who didn't execute Jews or something, but Rommel was no genius. He's Germany scraping a barrel for heroes who aren't wearing Sig runes or Swastikas.
>>53827509
> lied about his campaigns against the Japanese to make himself look better
> surrounded by other incompetents due to the purges
> was favoured because the other good Soviet general was a Pole and Stalin wasn't too fond of them
If you'd put competent generals in command of the Soviet Union WW2 would have ended in 1943 or early '44 and I'm a fucking Soviet circle jerker.
>>53836837
Stonewall Jackson is the overrated one.
>>53828617
kek, this post made my night, thanks fellow /pol/ack
>>53826066
this pretty much. Rommel was a good general but still overrated comparing to other German generals like Manstein for example
Napoleon.
No matter how many larger armies you put down in a row, or countries you conquer, you will always be a manlet.
NO GREAT GENERALS UNDER 6'0
>>53837344
everyone in his war was a fucking retard. Like Hotzendorf. Jesus F Christ, that guy was a moron.
>>53822995
>MacArthur
you are nigger ignorant. his island hopping campaign liberated the pacific, and then retook the Philippines, then brought the Japs to their knees. After the war, he not only led Japan into prosperity, he then BTFO the chinks and n koreans.
He was removed by the giant pussy Truman because he wanted more freedom to nuke those faggot subhumans into the stone age. He got fired and now China is a superpower.
tl;dr you are a giant fucking retard
>>53837510
this proves you've never read about him or his achievements, man was a fucking god (if a bit ego-maniacal )
>>53837491
well that's because Manstein was a pure genious. After Stalingrad Hitler told him he had to plug the front and get Kleist out of the Caucasus and he had to do it with like some Italians, some Rumanians and whatever was left of Hoth's panzers.
>>53822894
Da fuq you say?
>>53837523
Plumer was pretty shrewd. Probably one of the more underrated because of Messines with the mines. Brilliant move. That opened up the Germans.
Norman Schwarzkopf
>>53822894
Too easy.
Perhaps the most worthless general of all time.
>>53836973
And finally
>Hapsburg armies
>good for anything
>>53838392
I can agree to this.
>>53838392
He was fine. Powell was the shit tier nigger who fucked things up.
>>53838493
>picks best American general in WW2
>worthless
>>53838712
>Picks the most cowardly, worthless faggot general of WW2
FTFY.
>>53827509
He is not overrated, we all know he was a shitty general
While Zhukov european theatre antics are nothing to write about home, he was the one responsible for Khalkin Gol victory. If nothing else it was a big morale boost after 1905 russo-japanese whoopin'
>>53837561
He was an egotistical narcissistic cunt that bossed everyone around and refused to take anyone's advice.
He pardoned Unit 731 even after all the fucked up shit they did in return for info on biological warfare.
He was extremely vicious towards the Navy (his allies), especially in his deliberate dropping of Marines deep into enemy lines without support.
He set tanks against a bunch WW1 vets because they wanted their promised benefits even after being asked by Hoover to remove them peacefully
He also promoted himself to get a Medal of Honor, even going so far as to recommend himself for one after a mission. Quite a few people feel that his Medal of Honor should never have been awarded for "Defense of the Philippines" because the Philippines fell
Quite a few people felt that he should not have been decorated at all after the fall of the Philippines, and would have preferred to see him court-martialed for incompetence.
Eisenhower himself blocked efforts to be awarded his own Medal of Honor at the end of the war, precisely because he had not been in combat, and he regarded the Medal as something to be awarded only for actions under fire. Dougie knew he was stepping onto very thin ice regarding the Medal, and at the award ceremony he made a comment about only accepting it in recognition for the valiant efforts of the men under his command. In short, Doug knew he didn't deserve the Medal, but accepted it anyway. He's on record as stating, early in his career, that he was willing to sell his soul for the Medal of Honor.
He tried to bypass his superior officer to use nukes and start World War 3 over a limited war
Good Ol' Dugout Doug truly America's greatest general
To Quote Truman:
"I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the President. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son-of-a-bitch, although he was, but that's not against the law for Generals. If if was, half to three-quarters of them would be behind bars."
>>53837510
Napoleon was a God amongst men.
>>53829290
The entire civil war was run by failures and morons. Fact.
This guy tbh
German officer ate with their men and were taught to lead from the front , and be replaced by the next man up if they were killed . The Versailes treaty limite them after WWI to 100,000 , they picked the absolute cream of the officirer Corp and a few seargants . Few officers today have the honor and courage to lead from the front !
>>53837351
>If you'd put competent generals in command of the Soviet Union WW2
Funnily enough it was actually a Soviet marshal I think who first conceptualized what would become blitzkrieg during the Spanish civil war but he was then taken back to Moscow and executed in the purges so every other officer ignored his ideas and they continued to use their Russian armour in Spain with hilarious levels of ineffectiveness.
>>53840572
Bernard "Let's show them yanks how we do this in Britain lads" Montgomery. Yes, he showed alright.
>>53823743
Lee did good in battles but that's partly because he was fighting against shit tier Union Generals like McClellan who was too much of a coddler to risk sending out his full army unless he had at least twice as many men as the rebels... and even then he would only send out small parts of them.
Then Burnside at the Battle of Fredericksburg who for all anyone knows must have been trying to do pic related when he sent a handful of divisions marching up a hill towards a rebel defensive line that had most of the rebel army stacked up behind.
>>53840572
Monty pretty much masterminded the D-day landings i'd say he deserves the recognition
>>53840669
It's a funny thing with blitzkrieg doctrine - It wasn't based on numerical superiority, and it sure as hell wasn't based on technological one.
The key to german early war victories was emphasis on signal corps and a high degree of autonomy left for lower levels of command.
>>53824087
The Republic deserved to die
>>53840923
He also masterminded the shitshow that was Market Garden.
I know he had his moments, but you cant argue that he gets massively overhyped sometimes
>>53822894
Patton. The guy's whole plan was screw everyone who ain't 'Murican.
>>53826504
Well he did shitstomp the japs all over the South Pacific. Oh and retook the Philippians.
Was also basically the real Emperor of Japan until like 1949.
>>53840708
Another stupid habit about Lee was that while most of the time he was a clever planner, whenever he ran up against something he couldn't go around he simply tried to use brute force which never worked.
>>53837362
Jackson was good at mobilizing and was a fairly good commander when his Autism wasn't acting up.
>>53841075
Actually he wanted to re arm the Germans and then go steamroll the Soviets and destroy Communism for good
>>53841185
The Island hopping campaign was the only campaign really possible, the first islands had to be taken back to reassure Australia that the Japs weren't going to invade any day now and it would be idiotic to simply send the entire navy directly at Japan, Japan's entire strategy was to expect us to be that retarded and then pick us apart from each island as we passed them.
Henry V was one of the luckiest generals. He adopted a purely defensive stance at Agincourt since he had forests on both flanks and retarded French nobles took the bait.
The French Knights charged across a rain soaked field. English Longbowmen just shot high to hit the horses where the armour didn't cover them which caused them to panic and double back. This turned the field into a swamp which the French decided to try and cross on foot, which resulted in mass drownings because if you fell down in armour you weren't getting up. The only French to reach English lines were exhausted and easily captured.
He basically saw retarded French people commit mass suicide and gets passed off as great general who had mastered command of the magical 120 arrows a second, armour piercing Longbow.
>>53822894
Easy. Patton hands down.
>>53841075
But is there anything truly more American then that?
Petraeus. He may have fallen from grace but he got so much credit for "the surge" and how we won in Iraq. He basically just paid off the insurgency with hundreds of millions and gave them all jobs in the new regime. As soon as America pulled out they all joined isis and took all the money and expensive equipment with them.
Winston Churchill
>>53839613
Looks like someone got an A+ in history.
Bravo, Anon. Bravo.
>>53841411
Except that MacArthur ignored the strategy and sacrificed unnecessary lives when he went on to conquer the southern Philippines. All for his damaged pride and to get more glory.
>>53842095
Churchill only made lieutenant-colonel.
>>53841438
Are you dumb or dumb?
>the French should've charged their cavalry through the forests lol :)
>swampy weather was something the cavalry weren't trained for lol :)
>bodkin arrows didn't exist lol :)
>longbowmen weren't literally trained to fire plenty per minute and kept their arrows point first in the mud to grab them without fussing ;p
Uneducated, truly, also ask yourself why you're convinced that there were only longbows and not footmen. Henry V knew what he was doing.
I win
Rommel was a good leader, however his association with Hitler definetly lead to him being over promoted. Read up on some of his previous adventures in WWI and his teachings during the between WWs. Good stuff, absolutely officer worthy, but I don't think he had the greatest ability for a wide view when it came to war.
>TLDR
He was a "line" officer.
Is there any general that can be universally agreed to be great?
>>53842267
The French should have left a standoff force of men at arms to dissuade Henry from trying to move and sent a flanking force of knights around the forest.
Also Longbows were damn near useless against the contemporary plate of the Men at Arms.
>>53843324
pic related
>>53822894
>Erwin Rommel
>overrated
>>53823279
Eisenhower didn't have the balls Patton had. I'm sure if Patton avoided death long enough till Eisenhower got elected president he could have kicked Eisenhower's ass into action on a number of things.
>>53829130
>>Didn't let Australians on his staff
This is suppose to be bad?
>>53822894
>Rommel
>saved thousands of lives on both sides in north africa
>lead by example
>took poland and much of north africa
>disliked hitler for making bad decisions
>defied hitler and saved the entire Africakorps
Okay kiddo, name a more ballsy general.
>you cant, Rommel was usually a mile ahead of the rest of his troops.
>>53828997
>Hannibal
This.
>Cross the Alps with some shitty elephants
>Most of the army actually died in the crossing
>Buy off mercenaries in Italy
>Plunder some towns with said mercenaries
>Scipio lands in Carthage and forces you back home
>Scipio BLOWS YOU THE FUCK OUT in the Battle of Zama with a much smaller force
>Your country is defeated and ruined forever, it never truly recovers
>Somehow you end up as a famous general rather than the guy who defeated you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zama
>>53843633
Nein, he wasn't involved in poland. He was "hauptquartier kommandant" in time of invasion.
>>53843784
France, my bad fam.
>>53823143
>they remember something or other about Korea.
Americans don't remember anything about Korea.
>>53827270
It wasn't just Mac who didn't see the chinks coming. The State dept, intelligence services . . . Everybody missed it.
>>53836837
>evenly matched
Lee's men were constantly fatigued, underfed, and poorly supplied. If the south had the resources the north had we would all be singing for dixie.
>>53843872
Absolutely none taken, Interesting thread tbh
>>53843461
Nice b8
Who the fuck cares? No ... really... I'm curious.
It's like the friggin furry fetish or pony whatever thing.
Generals? They suck dick until promoted. Big fucking deal.
Also. .. .Napoleon , just to keep this shit thread going
>>53829841
He was an arrogant asshole, and his troops hated him for it, but, he was known to frequently personally evaluate forward positions, often in locations with active jap sniper fire. He saved tens of thousands of Allied lives with his "Hit'em where the ain't" philosophy. He conquered an area equal to Normandy to Budapest in just over a year with a fraction of the casualties of other generals. Always remember: Bloodbathes are hallowed (think Iwo Jima); buttfucking the enemy with little loss of life is quickly forgotten.
>>53829085
Actually it was not his fault. Hitler was convinced the landing was coming at the Pas De Calais and refused to allow Rommel to pull more armor into Normandy. On the day of the attacks Hitler slept in until 2pm and Rommel did not have the authority to shift the armor meaning things ground to a halt.
The only mistake Rommel really made was assuming the Americans would need to capture a deepwater port.
>>53844506
Knowing so much... disturbing.
Also, unless you're a bonnafide historian, it's probably bullshit.
>>53842589
>>53835923
Sun Tzu is the sole reason Wu became one of the 5 strongest states in Spring and Autumn period. He led Wu's army to beat Chu, a state 2 times bigger than Wu, and captured its capital.
>>53843324
Hermann Balck
http://www.historynet.com/the-greatest-german-general-no-one-ever-heard-of.htm
>Balck, who ended the war as a General der Panzertruppe (equivalent to a three-star general in the U.S. Army), is today virtually unknown except to the most serious students of World War II. Yet in three short weeks his lone panzer division virtually destroyed the entire Soviet Fifth Tank Army. The odds he faced were scarcely short of incredible: the Soviets commanded a local superiority of 7:1 in tanks, 11:1 in infantry, and 20:1 in a local superiority of 7:1 in tanks, 11:1 in infantry, and 20:1 in artillery. But Balck, leading from the front, reacting instantly to each enemy thrust, repeatedly parried, surprised, and wiped out superior Soviet detachments. Over the next few months his division would rack up an astonishing one thousand enemy tank kills. For this and other achievements Balck would be one of only twenty-seven officers in the entire war—Erwin Rommel was another—to receive the Knight’s Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds, the equivalent of an American receiving two, or even three, Medals of Honor.
>>53844506
>Hitler slept in until 2pm
That's so freaking cute to read to be completely honest
>>53822894
Jewlius Caesar.
>>53843416
They did do that. Frenchies decided to loot the baggage train instead of attack the rear though.
No Friedrich Paulus? Anyone?
>>53844506
and what saddest thing is, on his road to persuade hauptquartier his vehicle was attacked by a single typhoon.
Rommel got injured and got an ultimatum when he got better.
>>53845063
Hitler-kun was pretty damn kawaii, I wish I could have sat in on one of his 3am pervitin fueled General Staff Meeting/chatting sessions.
He was also a decent planner/tactician. " Adolf Hitler himself conceived a plan to take over the fort by getting men onto it by using gliders to overcome the problem of concentrating an airdrop on a small target, and utilizing the new top secret shaped charge (also called "hollow charge") bombs to penetrate the cupolas."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Eben-Emael
>>53843324
Napoleon
Genghis Khan
Tamerlane
>>53829290
>Stonewall Jackson
>Overrated
No I'd say Grant was, he was an idiot that had no idea how to organize an army..he only gave it the will to fight.
>>53845354
Jesus Christ?
I know OP asked for generals, but I'm going to throw out Horatio Nelson. Fuck off Britcucks, yi sun shin was way better.
For America? Maybe JPJ or Nimitz. Dunno how well they're regarded outside of the US, so can't say for them.
>>53837561
He got rekt by the gooks and lost an easy to win war. Absolute embarrassment.
>>53845165
Paulus was of an old prussian school of commandering, meaning he could move pieces around the chessboard, not a situation involving actual combat.
>Literally the greatest field marshal of all time
>overrated
>>53824348
Don't even joke, nigger.
Rommel deserved his reputation i think but others in the German army were under rated in comparison.
>>53845059
Again, generals who kick ass without needlessly slaughtering their own soldiers are relegated to History's dustbin.
>>53845354
>implying that's not good leadership
>>53822995
i don't care if he was ever so slightly overrated, he was a sick kunt
>got BTFO two times by the British
>hurr such a genius
>>53824087
Can you actually read Latin well enough to have this opinion? How many pages of Latin can you read per hour
>>53831667
Complete naval superiority after Midway? Ever hear of the Battle of Leyte Gulf? Dumbass.
>>53845530
He buttfucked the gooks until China entered the war, and that caught EVERYBODY off guard. Oh yea, and here's a little known fact: Two British members of the Allied council conducting the war were spying for China. They knew MacArthur's every move before he did it. It wasn't until he started improvising from the front that he stopped the Chinese advance. Not to shabby. Tell me about all those great Canadian generals, Canabro.
>>53843324
Sun Tzu
Alexander
Qin Shi Huang
Caesar
Trajan
Cao Cao
Aetius Flavius
Khalid ibn Walid
Genghis Khan
Oda Nobunaga
Frederick II
Suvorov
Napoleon
George Washington
Manstein
Yang Wenli
>>53823279
You are about ten years off on time.
MacArthur called Eisenhower the best clerk he ever had.
Eisenhower responded by saying he studied dramatics under MacArthur for four years.
>>53844446
Also was in his sixties at the time. Thirty years before he'd been leading infantry attacks in France with the 42nd Division carrying a damn stick, not even a pistol. A couple of his DSCs were for some stupidly brave shit.
>>53845003
Not him, but very true, learn to Google.
And yes, I am a bona fide historian.
>>53846604
>Yang Wenli
>not Reinhard von Lohengramm
>>53847448
Yang Wenli shits on Reinhard
Yang is weighed down by a shitty system and still shits on Reinhard and co. in his prime
>>53827123
>being this stupid
Rommel more than deserved the option of an honorable death. He fought for country, not for Hitler
>>53827509
Zhukov is the US Grant of WWII
>>53822894
also, pic related
>>53847283
Absolutely. Read about his actions in Mexico. He was blowing spics away with a fucking pistol while doing lone reconnaissance. He took so many personal chances, some of his staff thought he exposed himself to enemy fire just to show off. The Dugout Doug thing started as an Army thing that the Marines took the ball and ran with it. They were pissed that the army was more successful with a fraction of the lives. That being said, he really did fuck up right after Pearl Harbor. Even though the Filipinos were against increasing American military presence because they thought it would provoke Japan, Mac should told them to fuck off and turn the Philippines in to a fortress.
