http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nasa-says-emdrive-does-work-it-may-have-also-created-star-trek-warp-drive-1499098
>Nasa has proven that the controversial space propulsion technology EmDrive works and also accidentally might have made a warp drive, as used by the Star Trek Enterprise to travel, possible
>It was thought up and developed by a British scientist called Roger Shawyer, who spent years having his technology ridiculed by the international space community even though Boeing licensed it and the UK government was satisfied it worked.
>Nasa has been testing the technology for a while and it confirmed on 29 April that researchers at the Johnson Space Center have successfully tested an electromagnetic propulsion drive in a vacuum, and although it did not seem possible, the technology actually works.
>"Thrust measurements of the EmDrive defy classical physics' expectations that such a closed [microwave] cavity should be unusable for space propulsion because of the law of conservation of momentum," Nasa's José Rodal, Jeremiah Mullikin and Noel Munson wrote in a Nasa Spaceflight blog.
What is EmDrive?
>EmDrive is based on the theory of special relativity that it is possible to convert electrical energy into thrust without the need to expel any form of repellent.
>Shawyer's critics say according to the law of conservation of momentum, his theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to be propelled forwards, something must be pushed out of the back of it in the opposite direction.
>Nasa researchers posted on the Nasa Spaceflight forum that when lasers were fired into the EmDrive's resonance chamber, some of the laser beams had travelled faster than the speed of light, which would mean the EmDrive could have produced a warp bubble.
>A post by another user analysing the EmDrive experiment said "the math behind the warp bubble apparently matches the interference pattern found in the EmDrive".
So, what do you make out of this?
>You actually were born in time to explore space.
bump
put down the bible, /pol/
>implying we havent just ripped off alien technology
>implying there "breakthroughs" aren't just alien technology
>>44574772
bump
I rarely post but you have a bump from me. Th e warp bubble part is key here. Neat stuff.
>>44574555
>>EmDrive is based
That's all I needed to know
>>44574555
>So, what do you make out of this?
It will be debunked in the next few years.
>scientists discover a more efficient way to produce anti-matter
>Headline - "SCIENTISTS INVENT ANTIMATTER ENGINE"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-RcRQeqA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Z4D7mueDs
The future is bright, /pol/; Are you ready to fulfill man's destiny?
>>44574555
Coal powered spaceships are cheaper because nobody wants to invest in this technology.
>>44574555
>lso accidentally might have made a warp drive, as used by the Sta
Patently false.
The drive seems to be able to emit EM radiation to produce a small amount of momentum. That's all that's been confirmed so far.
>>Shawyer's critics say according to the law of conservation of momentum, his theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to be propelled forwards, something must be pushed out of the back of it in the opposite direction.
Well, that's clearly wrong. Everyone knows that electromagnetic fields can generate force without expelling matter.
>ibtimes.co.uk
Post the NASA whitepaper.
>>44574555
Sound fake and gay
>>44576739
>Well, that's clearly wrong. Everyone knows that electromagnetic fields can generate force without expelling matter.
The drive does produce far more momentum than the impulse of the photons emitted, which is why it has so much credible attention.
>>44574555
I think they've found a way to interact with the graviton.
I think that Thrust they're mesuring is generated by a fake gravity.
That's the only physically plosible explaination i could think of
>>44576925
Or simply a way to speed up light. Is there not evidence that the speed of light may not have always been what it is now?
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>>44577035
I was trying to find an explaination that doesn't break the current known laws of physics
>>44574555
This is not science yet, some British dude found some bizarre phenomenon and that's what EmDrive is, looks like it works and probably even produces space time bubbles but no one knows how, there's several hypothesis nothing much consistent, due its simplicity, cheap and easy implementation it will be flying soon, the bad thing is that while used as weapon it makes nukes look inoffensive as it enables relativistic speeds to be achieve turning one simple ship into several tsar bomba.
>>44574555
Why do we operate from the assumption that there are physical laws at all, rather than regard them as subjectively and observably true but potentially alterable or even outright false?
Many observed constants and laws of the past today are not considered either; we have to get used to the concept that sometimes one of the presumptions formerly used was not always correct; just generally correct and observed.
If we presume there are types of waves, particles, energy sources, and so forth which we do not interact with directly or observe we have to presume it is possible for them to violate (or seem to violate) physical laws.
>>44574555
>>44574690
>>44576225
Warp fields create intense hawking radiation that would kill everything inside and outside.
Sorry bro.
Also besides that you have immense shockwave in front and behind the warp field, destroying everything in both directions after warp field is turned off.
>>44577353
That's how science works, anon. All the "nay sayers" are just expressing skepticism, which is how it should be done.
>>44577446
Still, its a verry efficient way of moving
And at 0,1C its pretty fast too
>>44574555
>Clicked on article
>It's written by a woman
Nope.
>yfw aliens visit us tomorrow and say we're ready to join the space council
>still no primary source
I wish this was true. I also wish they hadn't dragged fucking warp bubbles and star trek into this. Fucking pop culture nonsense.
>>44577781
Are you joking?
/pol/ is living proof why they would reject us.
>>44577914
Shit what if they stumble on an humanity fuck yeah thread?
>>44577914
And why wouldn't aliens be racist, too? You're an idiot to think liberal nonsense is actually progressive.
Aliens are more likely to be bloodthirsty and violent. /tg/ agrees don't bother them about it.
>>44577914
Nah. Aliens can handle the bants. They'd understand.
Aliens are literally Australia in space. Remember the crop circles, fucking up cows, and anal probes? Aliens have been holding down the troll game ever since before Jesus.
>>44577914
>yfw the specifically request /pol/ users to represent earth
im ready. we need to tell them that niggers are an invasive species in our planets ecosystem.
>>44577173
This man speaks truth. Extremely high speeds can turn even a speck of dust into a dangerous weapon.
>>44574690
Time to grab a gun and go innaspace.
>>44578157
First Contact Wars pls. My body is ready.
>>44578157
>>44578266
>Going to loot and rape and pillage on another planet
>>44577035
>Or simply a way to speed up light.
That alone is huge. Remember, photons are particles, meaning matter has been pushed to velocities that exceed current physics' theoretical limits. There is much to be studied and scale is still a massive obstacle at this point, but this could prove one of the most significant discoveries in centuries.
>>44577124
Yes, we tried and succeeded.
Once we unlock the Higgs field, we will be able to teleport, manipulate matter in more ways than just converting it from one state to another.
God save the Queen!
>>44578043
Being able to produce the bants =/=> being able to handle the bants.
See Australia.
The whole EmDrive BS is way too ridiculous, its like someone stumbled over a gold bar in the middle of Manhattan and suddenly fell inside a goldmine.
>>44578605
They said the same about mobile phones (from star trek).
Look how that worked out. See you on the other side of the universe.
>>44577914
Imagine how rare the alien flags would be.
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http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/
>>44578794
The internet doesn't work like that.
>>44578794
tfw all the aliens are using Australian proxy and shitposting
>>44578510
For anything to reach light speed, it needs to lose mass.
>>44578043
>>44578570
These are two of the best posts on /pol/ in the last 24 hours.
>>44577446
We robots now
>>44579030
Pretty sure hawking radiation would turn to crisp any electronics.
You seem to not recognize what levels of power we are talking here.
>>44574555
Trips confirm.
>You were born just in time for the inception of Orbital Drop Shock Troopers so you can kill alium degenerates.
>>44579108
Is there a way to shield from it?
I can't wait to meet an alien babe and fuck it.
>not on CNN, BBC, NPR, any other major news networks
>>44578336
The God-Emperor wills it
>>44579217
why is liara such a skanky pants?
>>44579320
>Major news networks
>reporting on scientific advancements
They know that the general public doesn't care or doesn't understand and would rather hear about celebrity bullshit or some other stupid shit.
>>44579444
You talkin shit about my blueberry space muffin?
>>44579444
you dont want dat blue vagina nigga?
>mfw I'll finally meet my eldar waifu.
until the average joe is able to get into space don't bother me
>>44577446
>Bonger pretending you're some sort of authority on the subject
This is why he had to come to America to succeed. You Britcucks have completely lost your sense of exploration and conquest. No more big dreams, only slowly fading into a forgotten time in history when Britons were White and didn't worship Allah.
>>44579530
Relatively soonish.
Virgin is working on it, and then you also have Skylon which may in the future become commercial for civilians to travel into space.
>>44578898
But we're not talking about reaching light speed, we're talking about EXCEEDING light speed. Furthermore, there are things about matter that we still simply don't understand, particularly the fundamental forces of gravity and electromagnetism. It could very well be that constants we've come to taken for granted are actually variable under certain conditions. Matter at the quantum level is different from matter at the atomic level, and we weren't even aware that the quantum existed until the last century. Eventually we'll see if your statement(current scientific understanding) holds in light of this new development, or if there's an as yet undiscovered caveat to it.
>>44579530
Give it another decade.
>>44579576
There's not enough funding in space exploration here.
Also, I heard Obongo cut NASA budget fo dem programs.
How are they working out?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_riots
>>44577035
What if the speed of light cant be broken because an ancient alien civilization modified the laws of physics to screw over any potential future civilizations?
>>44579664
>ahaha look at your problem with niggers America!
>lol i'm just going to bring a bunch of niggers to mine now, that'll show you, huh America
>>44579665
>modified the laws of physics
If you can do that, aren't you sort of god?
>>44579665
It can't be, Lorentz factor.
As you approach light speed or near it, the mass of the object becomes bigger then at rest.
Also there are a few other paradoxes with it.
>>44579761
Aren't type 3 civilizations basically that?
>>44577035
>simply a way to speed up light
Light always travels at C
>>44578510
Photons are waves and particles at the same time.
>>44579773
WARP SPEED DONT RAINBOW READ ME NIGGA
>>44579725
What?
It's well known that NASA currently is the most funded space industry. So if someone here is trained in that field and is interested in that field, it makes sense for them to go to NASA.
We have plenty of scientists from the UK in NASA.. Again, our politicians don't spend enough on space, neither does ESA.
You should be grateful you're getting smart white people to take the edge off your niggers.
>>44579761
Quantum mechanics are the blueprint of our reality meaning a race intelligent enough to fully understand it could change the laws of reality itself.
>>44579664
>Also, I heard Obongo cut NASA budget fo dem programs.
>How are they working out?
Looks like were getting a warp drive m8. Feels good.
>>44579828
We warp drives now.
We could use androids as the pilots. I think if we unlock the entire Higgs field, we may be able to teleport from one area of the solar system to the other.
I don't know, I'm really stoned on Valium, weed, booze and tramadol right now so I can't think clearly.
But Lorentz factor and generating enough energy to travel at light speed poses problems.
Then you have time distortion, temperature in space, how do you stop the equipment from freezing the further away it moves from a star.
All sorts of things.
I just hope that we can conquer these problems within a few generations and exploration can begin.
The golden age of space travel would be glorious to be in.
>mfw missed the golden age of piracy
>mfw going to miss the golden age of space exploration.
These feels anon...
>>44579945
>Looks like were getting a warp drive m8.
You're welcome!
:^)
That along with the Rail Gun, Skylon and SABRE engines.
See we are probably the only productive nation in Europe.
And you always insult us.
>>44576354
No niggers allowed in space I'm pretty sure that's a law.
>>44578038
And you still managed to put in muh libruls, muh race and muh lefties in a thread about interstellar travel.
Well done, stupid.
>>44580065
>implying basketball americans are adventurous enough to leave the planet
They won't even go into the woods or swim.
>>44577124
>It was thought up and developed by a British scientist called Roger Shawyer
>>44580148
Just had to be sure. Wouldn't want to be mugged by an ape while enjoying the view of Saturn's rings.
Just in time to leave the planet before the human race is ovverrun by Africans. Thank fuck.
Providence man.
>We'll be able to warp to desolate planets soon
>Still no sex bots
>>44579934
>change the laws of reality itself
That's not how the universe works. Those "laws" are just a mathematical representation of how the universe works. Even if they did change, you would just cease to exist.
>>44580227
Well there have been black astronauts in the past, by they are uncle tom as fuck and in the minority.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_astronauts
>>44574555
The Emperor protects.
>>44580296
>Thats not how the universe works
To said civilization humans would appear as brainless idiots who barely scratched the surface of reality.
Also we dont know everything about quantum mechanics since it takes humans with 145 IQs to even grasp its complexity.
>>44580244
>implying you won't be able to get a number of likeminded anons together to have sex slaves.
You might have to convert to Islam or some shit, but nobody going to come after you with dem sanctions when you're 10,000 light years away.
Besides, aliens have sex robots, duh.
>>44580356
Always
>>44580244
>Sexbot
A guy has already invented a device that can give women instant orgasms. Its only a matter of time before they make a device that can trick your brain into creating illusionary sex sensations.
These things provide a miniscule amount of thrust.
>>44579205
This new discovery used an electromagnetic field to bring about its results. In order for organic life to be protected from the ravages of the radiation it produces, an equally strong magnetic field must be generated. This field must be generated by an electromagnetic field generator embedded in our bodies that can reliably be harnessed and recalibrated at will in order to compensate for what will likely be variable levels of energy generated through acceleration and any necessary sustenance of terminal velocity. All persons using such technology must be well-versed in its usage, and it must have a long proven track record of accomplishing its stated purpose of protecting its user from harm. Thankfully, such technology already exists, and has for a long time.
I'm speaking, of course, of the Power of Prayer.
>>44578157
I can't fucking wait to be a space-pirate.
>>44580410
Get this newage reddit tier pseudoscience fantasy shit out of here.
>quantum mechanics
Quantum mechanics is just how reality behaves on the sub atomic level. It's not harry potter magic nigga.
GOD EMPRAH I'M COMING !
>>44580327
Not all blacks are niggers, and not all niggers are black.
>>44580524
In quantum mechanics the future can affect the past.
>>44579524
No wonder you have so many denbts, you make such shitty decisions. Eldar are legit heresy.
>>44579994
Take heart anon. As long as we don't sperg out and go full boomers 2.0, we'll be remembered as the generation that held things together and allowed the future to begin. It seems that we're pretty close to it, giving up now would just be in bad taste. :3
Stay strong anon, do it for her.
>>44580508
Over a long period, that thrust increases and because it's in space it doesn't decrease (no friction) so it's no worry really.
Better go to collage and get that degree in biomedical engineering so you can discover the way to prolong your life long enough to experience the space age.
>>44579806
>light always travels at C
Read article.
>Photons are waves and particles at the same time.
And?
>>44580536
But you've got to admit they're ethnically inferior, at least for another 1000 years. It's the same for women and novels -- there has never been a great female novelist, because their gender, whether biologically or culturally, prevents any skill.
>>44580620
The period of time is incredibly long. The main point of an engine like this is that you can have satellites and probes that can orbit forever.
>>44576726
Once this is done though, its only a matter of scale and relative energy...
>>44580583
Yes I know that. I knew this stuff since I was in high-school. It's nothing special until it's applied to the real world.
I'm guess you just learned about what QM is from some Youtube video or that NOVA episode on it?
Thrust propulsion is a waste of time, we need to work on a scientific form of localized teleportation that doesnt kill you.
I have always thought of technological portals as a better method space travel since its truely instant. Imagine opening a doorwalking outside, and you are on Mars. Walk back into the door you are on earth.
It makes speed a nonfactor in space travel.
>>44580637
No in that article the light arrived at the sensors sooner because the space was warped and thus had to travel a shorter distance. It was traveling at the speed of c
>>44577781
hopefully we can get to alpha centauri on time and set up our council before the aliens demolish earth for a galactic highway
>>44580766
What of the immortal soul in such transactions? Has science found a way to replicate that, or are they destroyed in transit leaving behind a soulless abomination to wander the world?
So, does this mean I'll be working on an interplanetary ore-carrier soon?
>>44580766
>hurr something from science fiction is better so we need to use all our time making it a reality, instead of working on stuff as it's discovered
Tech rushing doesn't work in real life, bahamanigger
>>44580867
>Believing in souls
>>44580867
Idk but it may be somewhat possible in the next one thousand years for scientist to turn our consiousness into an intangible energy field that can operate meat suits for personal pleasure. Which means scientist could humans completely immortal, but who knows.
Thing is though, as soon as we develop the capacity for interstellar travel (even if it takes us 90 years) anyone who's out there will suddenly have to pay attention.
It'd be like if a bunch of North Sentinel Islanders decided to pack up and get in boats; the international community would have some explaining to do to them.
>>44580962
>turn our consiousness into an intangible energy field
What are you reading nigga?
>>44580775
Your argument is purely a semantic one. For all intents and purposes, if you can decrease the amount of time it takes for something to get from A to B, you've increased its velocity. In theory, we could use this technology to transmit radio waves across vast distances(think between planets/stars) in an instant.
Is it cheating to warp space-time? Yeah, kinda. In the latter scenario, would we consider our communications "sped up"? Absolutely.
>>44580930
>>44580962
Horrendous.
Scientific advancement must always be tempered by the question "Is this something we should be doing?"
>>44580968
>australia angry that we got to light speed travel before they did
>still living on that manlet continent
>>44580930
Scientist have already teleported molecules though, and Im not exactly sure what a warp drive does but is it similar to the wormhole.
>>44580962
>it may be somewhat possible in the next one thousand years for scientist to turn our consiousness into an intangible energy field
This technology exists. See >>44580517
>>44581019
>Australia
>I... I know... anon
>>44580996
Recent studies of the mind have shown our consiousness is caused by something on the quantum level, and it has many scientist bewildered. Thus doesnt mean souls are real, but shows our consiousness is more complex than we can fathom at its roots.
>>44581004
>its velocity
Speed, not velocity.
>>44581085
>he thinks new zealand isnt just australias retarded offspring
kek
>>44581013
>"Is this something we should be doing?"
Found the Luddite.
The question is not, "should we do this?"
but, "when can we start?"
>>44581004
> if you can decrease the amount of time it takes for something to get from A to B, you've increased its velocity.
No time runs at different rates for it.
This video explains it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvZfx7iwq94
>>44581148
>I... I was just j-joking anon.
>>44574555
Better start sending niggers to space as a deterrent against alien invasion
>>44581202
for all intents and purposes you're part of australia bud. you shit post just like them except in a slightly less intelligent manner.
>>44581168
>worried about moral and ethical implications
>luddite
I long for the day that we can spread Christ's Church to the stars. That day will come. We must not rush headlong into oblivion in the name of progress.
>>44577035
299792458 m/s is the "speed limit" of the universe. Nothing in our current models of physics can match or exceed this velocity, so I have no idea what they mean when they said they saw things travel faster than the speed of light. It's pretty crazy.
>>44580517
The brain is an electromagnetic organ yes, but its the most mysterious oart of our body. Electromagnetism seems to be the fundamental force of life.
>>44581235
>slightly less intelligent.
Why do you hate us bruh? We're all settler colonies. We all share a lot of similarities. Australia has gone a bit socialist, along with New Zealand, but we all come from the same place.
>>44581168
He's talking about ethics. A better way to phrase it would be, "Do we know how to use this responsibly?" A valid question. See: Nuclear weapons, space junk, desertification of arable land.
>>44577914
implying they wouldn't abduct us. take us to there home planet and force us to build pyramids for them.
>>44581272
>We must not rush headlong into oblivion in the name of progress.
Fuck off cunt, the stars are waiting and your dead kike on a stick can't stop me.
>>44581321
>"Do we know how to use this responsibly?"
Only one way to find out, and that's to press the big red button.
>>44581321
You understand implicitly. We should not shy away from knowledge, but we must always be wary of its application.
As a Catholic I believe that all scientific truth leads to God. As we better understand creation we better understand the creator. We are by no means anti-science, rather, we are pro-morality and pro-responsibility.
>>44574555
>because of the law of conservation of momentum
conservatards btfo once again
>>44578889
Of course not that's just silly.
>>44581400
They would have machines building their pyramids, and just use us as part of a biological experiment.
>>44576920
interaction with the quantum vacuum plasma, the resonator is somehow coupling with the background QVP positrons and electrons, imparting momentum onto them before they annihilate
It is to quantum electrodynamics, what a propeller is to hydrodynamics
>>44577124
>USA
British Mustard Race
THE SUN NEVER SETS ON THE BRITISH EMPIRE
First the industrial revolution, now intestellar travel
get rekt faggot
>>44579994
Wouldn't infrared heaters or inducting heating work? It just requires electricity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scharnhorst_effect
The resonance chamber is interfering with virtual particle creation/destruction, making it a vacuum with a lower virtual particle content. The "speed of the laser" is higher in this supervacuum, like its speed in water being lower than in a classic vacuum.
>>44581443
>we are pro-morality and pro-responsibility.
anti-progress
Fuck off, the only god man needs is himself, and we can do it infinitely better than your sky wizard.
>>44581670
Because we have done such a remarkable job of it up until now.
>>44580028
>See we are probably the only productive nation in Europe.
No.
>>44581726
Nukes are dangerous because earth life cant handle gamma radiation. Besides conflict breeds progress.
>>44581726
Because cunts like you insist on letting your imaginary friend take the reigns.
>>44581199
Yes, you are technically correct. The best kind of correct. Have you considered a career as a bureaucrat?
>>44581299
Clearly, more research is warranted. Pic very related.
>>44581594
yes, but physicists hate Dr. White for this explanation. They think he is a retard because he calls it Q-V plasma.
>>44581272
>worried about moral and ethical implications
>moral and ethical implications
found the retard. MUH MORALS AND ETHICS. nigger its a fucking MOTIONLESS WARP DRIVE, they already said if it scales its going to be used in every single fucking thing that moves and that includes cars, trains, ocean ships.
>>44581915
Seems like there's a lot of intolerance and snobbiness in the stem fields. Not that these SJW 'science is culturally situated' people are entirely right, but they perhaps need to be more accepting of dissenting views that perhaps, at first, don't appear logical.
>>44582010
Don't go to /sci/ it's the meme version of academia
>Roger Shawyer
>He's not Jewish
I know you're reading. You mad kikes?
>>44582058
I used to go on /lit/ five years ago, back when it had a rivalry with /sci/. I know all about /sci/ lel.
On topic, can someone give me a simple idea of what this EMdrive does?
Does it use EM waves a form of massless propulsion?
>>44581670
>we should do this because we can
Modern science is derived from the legacy of Christianity. You merely inherited it from "Christ-fags", and you deride their religion to conceal the fact that your so-called rationality wasn't cut from whole cloth, and was never at odds with Christianity until some edgy faggots in the Enlightenment decided it was. Your claims against religion are as intellectually dishonest and irresponsible as your calls to ignore the need for ethics in science.
Mankind has no need for such arrogance. Capability must be tempered with responsibility, if we are to avoid destroying ourselves.
>>44582149
From OP link
What is EmDrive?
EmDrive is based on the theory of special relativity that it is possible to convert electrical energy into thrust without the need to expel any form of repellent.
Shawyer's critics say according to the law of conservation of momentum, his theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to be propelled forwards, something must be pushed out of the back of it in the opposite direction.
However, EmDrive does preserve the conservation of momentum and energy – to put it simply, electricity converts into microwaves within the cavity that push against the inside of the device, causing the thruster to accelerate in the opposite direction.
Shawyer proved that if you had a 100kg spacecraft, the thrust would be in a clockwise direction and the spacecraft would then accelerate in an anti-clockwise direction.
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>>44582328
Saying the medieval scientist's discoveries were driven by some bog-standaed christian fear and awe of God is just as dishonest. I guarantee you, the concept of "god" that 90% of those scientists had was more in line with deistic theology, albeit with a christian veneer.
Even if I'm wrong, it doesn't matter. The christian-scientists of yore are long gone in today's world. It would be like calling modern day Islamic states pro-science simply because of the (very important) discoveries made during the golden age of Islam; times change, and the torch of progress has once again changed hands.
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>>44582362
wow, another thread potentially ruined by flag shitposting
>>44582619
The thread was over for a while now, maybe shitposting will bump it onto page 1 again
>>44574555
So Nasa once again tries to tell us that something works we all know it works, while we drive our cars on oil in late future, have 2/3 of the world living from diseases we can cure and totally ignoring the 50 years old studies of electromagnetic radiation and costs. Gee wiz, thx nasa, you are true genius.
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>>44582672
Just because your government is too poor to do science doesn't mean you get to be angry about it, Serbia.
>>44582672
If the governments do not implement it, it's not NASA's fault.
>>44582672
Did you read the article, nigger? This isn't "oh you can run your cars on electricity", this is "you can use electricity to move things seemingly in violation of the conservation of energy". The latter is a physics breakthrough potentially on par with the atomic model.
>>44582672
>have 2/3 of the world living from diseases we can cure
Why would a first world country selflessly care about some shithole that was a shithole for centuries because the locals can't do jack shit?
Would you rather hold progress and try to help all the countries who can't even fend for themselves?
>>44582712
Just because some dumbasses robbed whole world of inventions and money and now monopolized technology doesn't means they are any smarter than curry nigger indians. What if we first cure malaria with real medicine and then hand out everybody equal amount of 100000 trillion in research blood diamond money so we can rehead old studies on electromagnetism and be smart?
>EmDrive is based on the theory of special relativity that it is possible to convert electrical energy into thrust without the need to expel any form of repellent.
Doesnt this violate Newton's third law? What the actual fuck.
>>44574911
god, australia, shut the fuck up.
>>44574555
It sounds like there was some error or misunderstanding and that in a day or a week or so, we'll hear how the experiment was disproved. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Not to be a downer; I'd obviously be very excited if it were true. But don't get your hopes up.
>>44582811
>Just... indians
actually, it does.
>real medicine
as opposed to what, fake medicine?
>and be smart
I'll believe it when I see it, but godspeede Croatia.
>>44582787
Pretty much every first world country in the world is part of the U.N. and support its World Health Organization, which helps ignorant locals in shitholes, out of magnanimity.
>>44582875
Newton was a classical scientist. Particle physics works differently. Or to be exact, it is the generalised version of classical physics.
>>44582875
I would assume so, that's why nobody believed him when he was working on it
>>44579444
You're right, tali is best waifu.
I have a question for /sci/fags: How is gravitational potential energy stored by particles with mass?
>>44582959
Africa still uses old-tech mediciation that doesn't works for malaria and the glorious union of advanced countries under UN can't even do this in 100 years no to mention bless us with new technology so we can avoid getting slaved for the rich fags from royal past. More advanced we are, more we work, less money we have, more enslaved we are, worst shit we eat, more degenerate we are, just so that we can claim we are united under flag or technology, but we really really really aren't.
>>44583153
I thought there wasn't potential gravity? It's created by the warping of space, right?
>>44582111
hey, I am a proud jew, and I am glad progress is being made in this field, jew or not. Of course I think it would've been great if this was developed in one of the universities in Israel, and brought much pride to my people, but this is really not that important in the larger scheme of things.
it's sad that you have to parade the fact that a non-jew accomplished a breakthrough as if it is so rare. White non-jewish europeans have built the world as we know it, jews just made a lot of great contributions along the way. screaming 'you mad' 'you mad'? just pathetic.
>>44574707
Glorious. Now the whole universe may know of our lord and savior Jesus Christ
They shall learn the word of God.
Oh, and space mining and colonizing planets, etc.
>>44583166
Then step up your game and join the winners circle, Czechoslovakia. We only help out worthless nations like you and the Africans because it makes our people feel good. If you want to join the future, then put some muscle into it.
>>44582811
>Just because some dumbasses robbed whole world of inventions and money and now monopolized technology doesn't means they are any smarter than curry nigger indians.
Okay
>>44582811
>What if we first cure
Africans just keep inventing new diseases. Clearing the world of all diseases is a very long term goal. We shouldn't lose scientific progress that would happen during the time. And NASA's researches have been modified and used for real world purposes as well. Why do you want to inhibit any sort of scientific progress?
>>44582574
>Even if I'm wrong, it doesn't matter.
Of course it does. It means you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You are charging that there's some inherent Christian intolerance to the study of the natural world so you can elevate your own belief system over one that you don't even care to understand. That is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty, and the antithesis of rational inquiry. If you want to charge that the average Christian is anti-intellectual and anti-science, I must admit there are indeed people like that. People are prone to willful ignorance, as your baseless claims so helpfully illustrate.
Meanwhile, the oft-cited "Christian Dark Ages" apparently found the wherewithal to allow room for intellectuals to expand human knowledge that we all benefit from today, while countless modern atheists point and shriek at debunked claims such as "Galileo's persecution was purely religious and anti-scientific in nature," when the truth is that Galileo was promoting a theory he couldn't yet back up, agreed to teach it as a theory, then taught it as fact. Dishonest AND anti-scientific. No wonder modern atheists so readily identify with him.
>>44577173
The time it would take this engine to get anything up to relativistic speeds is obscenely long. Also factor in that you've got to launch this from Earth, accelerate away, and loop back around to hit anything. This isn't like flicking a switch and getting to 70% of c in a day. Or a year. Or even 10 years. Or even 100.
If we launched a world-destroying death rock today with this engine and gave it a course that allowed it to get up to murdalizing speed by the time it gets back around to us, we'd have centuries to get better tech, catch up, and stop the thing before it was ever a problem.
>>44583374
Yep, according to NASA if this thing pans out we'll be able to take day trips to the moon in 50 years time.
>>44583231
No, I mean how do particles with mass store the energy they show when they accelerate towards others with mass? Imagine we had only two particles with mass in the universe, which had completely elastic collisions. These particles are traveling towards the other. As they approach one another, they accelerate, so at the point before impact the total velocity of the particles is greater than before collision. The only way to conserve energy here would be to change mass. Do the particles that mediate gravity alter their mass based on the presence of other gravity particles?
>>44583457
Not qualified to answer that, but...
As far as classical physics is concerned, there are no gravitons. The effect of gravity is created by mass distorting the field of space.
As for conservation of energy... Yes? Fuck man, I don't know
>>44583423
Did you not read the second paragraph of my post? The part after "Even... doesn't matter"?
The medieval era was a time of science spear headed by Christians, yes; but is that true now?
Like I said, do we call Islam a religion of science and progress because of the discoveries made in the Islamic golden ages? No, times have changed, and Islam is no longer associated with science. Likewise, Christianity is no longer associated with science, and outside of a few sects (like the Jesuits), it is not made a priority of its members.
>>44578125
Kinetic energy goes up with the square of the velocity, momentum is linear. Either way, a speck of dust doesn't do shit, it has to be a fine sand to even do damage. Talcum powder does nothing.
>>44583394
So what happened with NASA's salt(ice water) on Mars? Did NASA Jesus make it disappear? NASA is as bad as Facebook and it's cancer that only contributes to military weaponry. We will be using every acre of forest, pollute all waters, use up all the minerals, but okay NASA keep studying our bright future, we gonna need it when we leave American robbed Earth like in that movie(i mean those chosen ones will leave Earth). I rather explore unpolluted earth than some empty rocks in space.
>>44583669
Talcum powder is 1 on the Moh's scale, sand is ~ 7. There is some quartz in the dust in the air because silicon is so plentiful
>>44574555
One step closer to leaving niggers behind to rule their multicultural paradise.
>>44583790
Space exploration and proper stewardship of the planet are not mutually exclusive
Oh, by the way, reactionless drives means we can build torch ships that accelerate constantly.
You don't have reaction mass to run out of. Just supplies and whatever your energy source requires.
The stars belong to us.
>>44583790
Found the hippy, fuck off with your trees and rocks.
>>44583974
Where do you think NASA gets money if not from American wars, cutting down forests and selling endangered animals? Go look up main exports of USA: oil & destruction related industry. I don't need inventions from a country that does more damage than good, especially not from NASA, they can go back to their UFO tapes and flag sticking in the ground and stop pretending they are anything more than military propaganda.
>>44577446
You are retarded.
>>44577446
Please, do explain what Hawking radiation IS and how it would effect (re: kill) humans
>>44583790
>empty rocks in space
>giant diamonds and chunks of platinum the size of Texas just floating around out there for us to take
You do realize that every bit of resource-gathering we do up there makes raping OUR planet less profitable, right? We don't need to stripmine mountains to get a tiny bit of rare earth metal when a single asteroid is holding more of that shit than entire continents on Earth.
People who go to space come back with an even greater appreciation for the environment. The point of NASA and space exploration isn't to fuck off from Earth the moment it's feasible and let everyone else wallow in sludge. God damn, enlighten yourself.
>>44583855
I'm talking about grain size and density more than anything else. The actual hardness is less important when its moving at facemelting velocities. Explosively Formed Penetrators is liquid or semi-liquid copper moving at high speed and is capable of piercing several feet of benchmark RHA steel.
>>44583457
>>how do particles with mass store the energy they show when they accelerate
This is mass - energy equivalence, E = mc^2.
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence#Massless_particles_contribute_rest_mass_and_invariant_mass_to_systems
as the relative velocity of a particle increases, its mass increases. which is why you cant get faster than c in a vacuum, it would imply an infinite force, or zero mass.
if you pollacks want an interesting read,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect
>>44574555
Let the Zerg rush begin.
>>44584436
>tfw we are the zerg
2spooky
>>44584201
NASA isn't the only organization that explores space. Also, you are, at this very moment, likely using U.S. military inventions and improvements. Lithium ion batteries were made more efficient and easier to mass produce by the U.S. military, GPS was started by a U.S. military initiative and primarily developed by it, etc. When we expand inventions from the U.S. military to all military, that amount vastly increases.
>>44584346
He's a Slav, just let him flail about in ignorance and self pity.
>>44584346
basic supply and demand, if we could get oil from Titan then oil would be worthless since its no longer rare.
>>44580524
One of the elements of quantum physics is to explain macro phenomena as well. And also using micro anomalies and replicating it in a bigger scale.
>>44583656
So we should judge modern atheism/secularism on its own merits? Very well, we'll look at its cultural artifacts since it's became prominent in the last century. My claims about your intellectual dishonesty regarding history stand, and this is all too common among atheists. Unless you are omniscient, this will inevitably create intolerance towards differing views. Look at how modern academia treats those who disagree with them on a social level: ostracization, speech codes, "uninviting" controversial figures. Look at the treatment of those within the scientific community who challenge anthropogenic climate change; the science, we are told, is "settled," there is a "consensus," and we need only look at who's funding the opposition's research to see that their models MUST be wrong. Is this the cultural foundation of scientific progress? You are handed the reins of society, and you become the very thing you decry. Substitute "women's rights" for "measured differences in capability across racial groups," and suddenly you become a more affluent, less violent version of Radical Islamists. The lack of tolerance for those who disagree with you is identical.
>>44584517
Is really NASA the only company that can research space related themes for trillions of dollars of research money or are they just privileged because they feed the military propaganda machine? Do we really need such companies dictating the progress? First lets use that progress on the rest of the world's people, then we can continue when this earth isn't such a degenerate shit hole still owned by royal hands like thousands of years ago in private laboratories of castles, but please when we are being smart about evolution and all this scientific stuff then pls let us not toss around Jebus and Allah everywhere, it really makes it look like we are bunch of retards in this world, i mean for those aliens that are watching.
>>44584371
So how is this energy stored by particles? There has to be some source by which energy is added to particles that accelerate towards massive bodies.
>>44584913
>Implying I'm a liberal
Leftists only flock to secularism because it frees them from the (usually good) moral constraints of organized religion. I do not accept this, and decry them all the same.
>>44584928
They're the ones who do it because nobody else bothers doing as much as them, you stupid slav fuck
>>44585029
Kinetic energy.
>>44585174
But where does it come from? The total velocity of two particles accelerating toward one another due to gravity increases, and the mass of these particles increases. This would mean the system has more energy than it started out with, where does this energy come from?
>>44581219
Literary gold.
ayy lmao
What if human bodies cant go the speed the Em drive can produce?
>>44578570
You Okay India bro?
Maybe if you relieved some of that butthurt by emptying your bowels in a field next to a busy highway you'd feel better :D
>>44584201
>Where do you think NASA gets money if not from American wars
The American tax payer? The money comes from the citizen, not from your delusion of our grandeur. Sounds like you mad jelly of muricans though.
>>44585134
USA today:
- 10 wars per decade
- creationism in schools yes
- degenerate drug abusing crusaders that want to kill all muslims
- owned by jews, claiming being patriots
- polluting whole world for every cent, killing every living thing for money
- we space race now, we care about space life
>>44585488
>>44585303
Their individual potential energies that they possess while at rest converts into kinetic as they speed up.
>>44585134
That brings us back to the original argument. If moral constraints offered by organized religion are a social good at the individual level, then why wouldn't they be a social good when determining how to responsibly guide the ethics of science? A greater understanding of what it means to be human requires this kind of consistency. Nobody who strives to stay honest with Christian theology should advocate for Luddism, as it is merely the opposite number of this dilemma. If they do, then they are traitors to God and science, both.
>>44581219
incredible
The space has meteors filled with resources mankind can use. Why do hippies care about flying rocks anyway? Planets are empty and they can and should be used.
>>44578001
What if they see your grammar
We're all fucked then
>>44585488
>not spreading democracy across the cosmos
>not teaching the greys that Jesus rode a raptor into Jerusalem
>not crusading against heathen alien races
>not exploiting gullible aliens for shekels
>not trashing up the rest of the galaxy
>not freeing the shit out of green alien women
Sounds like the Balkans need more freedoms.
>mfw captcha was burger
>>44586809
>mfw when starship troopers was a prophecy
>>44580222
>who had to come to an American space program to even get funding for his research
>>44585303
Let's make it clear. Their invariant mass in their frame of reference is not changing and will never change. This 'mass' as you speak of it is referred to as a relativistic mass, and is really more of a way of describing the asymptotic approach of energy required as velocity approaches c. From an outside point of view, it is convenient to say the mass of the particle has increased. However, E = mc^2 only holds true for (relatively) small velocities, under .10c. Otherwise the true expression is E = mc^2 * l where l is the Lorentz transformation.
>>44577446
>Hawking radiation
>Warp fields
>Killing people
>Shockwave
>Destroying
Jesus there are too many things to even begin to put forth the notion that you were merely pretending to be retarded, I think you genuinely need to see a doctor posting this on the internet, even ACCIDENTALLY is enough to warrant concern.
>>44577446
Hawking radiation is still unproven and has even been rejected as a full theory by... hawking.
looks like /pol/ better move the day of the rope up a few years or you're gonna have space niggas
>>44581443
Catholic here. +1
>>44585412
>>44593277
Gotta respect the dubs, you're alright India
>>44581443
>As a Catholic I believe that all scientific truth leads to God
>I believe science leads to my preconceived conclusion that I've already set as true in advance
Then you're not doing science, obviously
>>44579603
It's far more plausible that nothing exceeded the speed of light but rather space was warped so that the length of space-time the laser traveled through was shorter than we'd classically want to believe.
Expanding and contracting space is afterall not a controversial theory, we know it happens and measure it all the time, it's basically what gravity does.
I doubt anything terribly non-classical is going on here, that is to say I don't think any kind of quantum strangeness is going on.
>>44593277
>pic
my sides
>>44588544
>being so far in denial
http://www.universetoday.com/93882/warp-drives-may-come-with-a-killer-downside
When the Alcubierre-driven ship decelerates from superluminal speed, the particles its bubble has gathered are released in energetic outbursts. In the case of forward-facing particles the outburst can be very energetic — enough to destroy anyone at the destination directly in front of the ship.
“Any people at the destination,” the team’s paper concludes, “would be gamma ray and high energy particle blasted into oblivion due to the extreme blueshifts for [forward] region particles.”
>>44580671
>there has never been a great female novelist
Jean M. Auel
Tess Gerittson
Anne Rice
Madeleine L’Engle
C.J. Cherryh
Mary Shelley
Anne McCaffrey
thats just off the top of my head anon
also: looking foward to warp drive fuck yes
ANCAP SPACE COLONIES WHEN
>>44574555
Can I colonize terra nova pls?
>>44593868
How about you come to a stop facing away from your destination, then turn to face it? Blast goes off into space - arrive at destination without harming it.
>>44593868
I know its all speculation. But this seems unlikely.
If we can bend space-time for superluminal speeds, we shouldn't assume that we're necessarily just transiting 3d space like a line drawn on a sheet of paper. If there is less interaction with particles on the 3d plane, then why would they be necessarily blue shifted to that extreme.
Interesting thought about this, have we ever observed particles extremely blue shifted like this out in the universe?
>>44580222
I thought of a laser when I was 5. Do I get all the credit for it? No. Nobody gives a single fuck what you "think about." The only thing that matters is who does it first. Hurrdurr UK thought of it first! Fuck off.
>spent years having his technology ridiculed by the international space community even though Boeing licensed it and the UK government was satisfied it worked.
>tfw scientific progress is being stopped and history is being suppressed thanks to petty tribalism
Holy fuck this makes me mad
>>44574690
I dont know how to feel about this if its real
