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>>41611284
They are anti fascist
>>41611375
And what's wrong with that? Aren't they fighting for freedom?
>>41611409
by being fascist and completely hypocritical themselves.
>>41611422
Give me an example please.
In my country they are a gang of thugs who destroy public property and commit heavy violence during their protests. Any time any organization with opposing views to them plan any demonstrations/protests, they are always there to silence them and turn the public debate into "Right wing protesters silenced by the saints of antifa"
Everyone still looks at them as righteous saints though, since noone fighting nazis could ever be bad
>>41611284
Their total lack of Reading skills.
>>41611471
pegida especially
Other than being violent marxist thugs who lead the way in political terrorism? That good enough?
>>41611471
Just because there are a couple bad seeds doesn't show how bad their ideology is. Northern Europe is filled with sleezy white capitalists.
>>41611513
Yeah it does. It is all their seeds. They are the biggest scum in the western world.
>>41611531
All I've seen is peacefull protests. The biggest scum imo is the neo nazis. They don't even know what facism is, and they're global terrorists.
Nothing but a bunch of violent hooligans that attacks anyone not thinking like them, and our leftist media protects them. Fick 'em.
>>41611466
>Hack into Disqus Accounts in Sweden
>Look for "Racists"
>Hunt racists down and physically assault them.
>Swedish government says "Good Job!"
>>41611284
Because fascism is good. Luckily, you and your likes will be hanging from trees in our lifetime. So enjoy your little tantrums while you can.
>>41611513
Their disdain for government is exactly what makes them behave like apes, since they lack any respect for anything state-owned
A party or group that is "anti-anything" is flawed by conception
>>41611284
They are pretty much the SA of the left side
>>41611576
Why can't you be peacefull for once? I just want a peacefull conversation about your hate against ANTIFA.
>>41611605
Explain how please.
>>41611623
People hate ANTIFA because they're violent thugs. You're not going to get a "balanced" answer because that's how people feel about them.
>>41611471
Pretty much the same over here.
They even destroy the signals on tracks so no protesters can get to the protests
>>41611553
>Peaceful protests
Good bait
Kill yourself you commie piece of shit. I hope you get your head bashed in like that french faggot a couple years ago.
I spit on you.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263282/number-of-deaths-due-to-terrorism-grouped-by-perpetrator-category/
>>41611623
You are the violent thugs.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263282/number-of-deaths-due-to-terrorism-grouped-by-perpetrator-category/
You deserve no mercy.
>>41611623
I'm peaceful for now. I play by the rules (unlike your precious Antifa). But when the system collapses and the rules are gone, which will happen soon, you will be skinned alive. I believe in absolute morality, freedom is corruption.
It's always the same
>>41611669
Man you white privilege scum.
>>41611718
Welp, it's a troll. We can all go home now.
>>41611710
I'm not apart of ANTIFA, personally I dislike them. But why hate them so much?
Should I be glad that they don't exist in America?
It's hard to tell if they're hard-line leftists or libertarians from the name.
>>41611718
A yank antifa did seem unlikely. I almost wish antifa had a presence in America so I had something to bash.
>>41611744
They're brownshirts for the left. That's the simplest and most accurate way to describe them.
>>41611739
Because they silence others and 19/20 are the ones that spark the violence.
They are state sanctioned thugs that is enough reason for most sane people to hate them, I mean it's not hard to see.
>>41611750
I am suprised your liberal university don't have those
pic related(best one I found) the office of the Antifa workgroup at my university
>>41611750
It would be hard to do what they do in the US without getting shot.
>>41611774
>They're brownshirts for the left. That's the simplest and most accurate way to describe them.
this
Because I am a libertarian/anarcho-capitalist. I don't care what flavor of totalitarianism, I dislike them all.
>>41611744
Hard-line leftists. They hate capitalism with a passion.
>>41611818
What kind of Terrorist shit has ANTIFA done in Europe?
>>41611744
>>41611750
The only reason they don't exist there is the second ammendment. You guys really need to start being good goys and get rid of your guns so antifa can beat some tolerance into you.
>>41611284
You know we have independance day march in Poland, its most important day. These german/polish shits try to ruin this march just because we are nationalists and somehow being nationalist and patriot is facist and unprogrssive. This is why antifa are anarcho/leftist scum of this earth. I dont even know why you are asking fabout them, noone in your country is dumb enough to undermine your based famous murrican patriotism.
>>41611713
I failed German class what does it say?
>>41611774
>brownshirts for the left
Didn't commies have those too? I forget what they were called.
>>41611739
As mentioned, I believe in absolute morality, which these violent leftists consider to be pure evil. They are my natural enemies. The only thing that prevents me from trying to murder each and everyone of these faggots is that I respect the rules that govern the current system. Luckily, as mentioned, these rules will be gone in our lifetime.
>>41611409
>Aren't they fighting for freedom?
No they mostly just smash car windows of people that mention things like race exist or that socialism is inefficient. idk how thats fighting for freedums.
![RTEmagicC_autonomeReferate_01.jpg[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/n9K9IJQ.jpg "RTEmagicC autonomeReferate 01 [1]")
>>41611818
Next to it are
IAFLTR - Internationales Autonomes Frauen Lesben und Transgender Referat
International autonomous group for women, lesbian and transgender
SchwuR - Schwulen-Referat
Gay Group
RSB - Referat für Studierende mit Behinderungen und chronischer Erkrankung
Group for disableds and and chronic invalids
ISR - Internationaler Studierendenrat
International students group
I wish I could go back to my old university where there was more knowledge and less politics.
>>41611875
My german is rusty, but it's something along the lines of "kick, punch, beat etc. Let your sadism run wild, it's for a good cause." That's about the best I can manage
>>41611284
it's just a gang for immigrants to be violent. Anyone who disagrees with unlimited immigration and a welfare state is a nazi.
Bla bla bla
>>41611856
Destroy track signals or blockade tracks with those huge trash cans.
Violence against people with other beliefs and the police.
Burning cars.
>>41611471
This
They are also the first people to incite violence.
We have chapters of ANTIFA in California, and they are usually the people to start violence during protests, which sets off a chain reaction causing niggers to join in.
Take the Ferguson protests as an example. There are quite a few Antifa members in Oakland, and we had a riot there recently. Antifa joined in obviously, and were the ones you saw in the videos with masks over their mouths and smashing windows, while throwing bottles at the police.
It's just like in Europe when there was a nationalist rally. Antifa showed up and intiated the violence.
>>41611818
Im sure there are small left wing "youth" groups that exist here and there that may even call themselves antifa (like those communists who tried to start shit after zim zam was acquitted) but their numbers make them insignificant. Left wing extremism hasn't been the same in the states after weather underground started to fail and is pretty much a taboo.
>>41611641
it's a parasite. once it achieves its goals, which is to dissolve the host, it dies.
>>41611879
The Stasi? Red Guards? There's so many.
>>41611879
The Red Guards if we're talking about Maoist China. I'm not sure what the Soviet Equivalent would be, other than the KGB but that was more of a Secret Police.
>>41611955
Wow. That shit sounds terrible. Glad I don't live in Europe.
ironic fascists
>>41611887
sahsha this is so true
in al all-out antifa vs. pegida fight, we all know who'd win
antifa's got their megaphones and larynx
pegida has their lead pipes and fists
>you and your misses are at a pro European rally when these antifa muscle berate you for being a Nazi and hand your wife a guide to cucking
Wot do?
>>41612021
Luckily it is concentrated around lefty cities like Berlin or Hamburg, so I am not really affected by this.
>>41611932
Thanks, I didn't actually fail German but it was the most useless bureaucratic class I've ever taken. Never got past colors or Days of the week.
>>41611750
>>41611857
They exist in America. You can find them in California. They're pretty much identical to punk rockers, except they sport an Antifa logo once in a while. You can find them at pretty much any rocker-type bar that serves microbrews and has a filthy as fuck restroom full of graffiti, water, and toilet paper. In fact, one of their hangouts in Oakland, CA, is ironically called "The Beer Revolution." Decent brews, I gotta admit that part.
They are the new nazis but fortunately I think economics will never deteriorate enough in a large country to allow them the numbers they need to take over.
>>41611284
Oh boy surely this group has good intentions! What sort of person wouldn't support this?
>>41612067
meanwhile in Germany...
Funny thing is that disguising yourself like this is forbidden at demostrations.
At least the police hates them more than anything.
>>41612078
Do they have rallies and shit? I can see them existing in Portland and Seattle as well, but I think they are pretty non existent outside of white ivory tower cities
>>41612068
I bet Sweden is filled with these jolly men.
>>41612136
They are pretty obviously just thugs who want to hide behind a banner of morality and attack other people.
Same gang as the shit heads online who try to dox anyone they can.
>>41612160
See this post:
>>41611572
>>41612106
>Black guy looting
Even antifa are subtle racists
>>41612189
But his looting is ethnically justified. It would racist to suggest otherwise.
>>41611994
Might be the Cheka committees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka
>>41612067
kek
>antifa muscle
What muscle? They look like they just came from /mlp/. I would rip their stupid piercings out and shove them up their asses.
>>41612277
They follow you home to find out where you live and trash your windows, follow your children to school and attack you at your work place.
>>41612067
>anti-nazi logo
>with "burn israel" hoody
does he even know what side he's on?
Antifa embarrassments?
Antifa embarrassments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoGghEWRhPk
>>41612338
So basically gang-stalking is actually real despite what some people say.
I guess this is more "cause stalking" which is less disputed as a thing that actually exists.
>>41611284
But seriously, if you look them up, all of their imagery is violent. There is no pretension of peaceful protest.
A sure way to scatter an antifa gathering is dropping job applications on them. Its fucking kryptonite for them.
>>41612159
I'm sure they have rallies, but probably disguised as music venues. However, like I stated >>41611959 they're the first people to show up at any type of protest, so you're guaranteed to find them at these.
Take a look at the demographics. In fact, the same can be said about the ones in Europe. The groups mostly consist of young college-aged adults, though some older folks can be present. They're kids who have no real goals in life and are still trying to find an identity. Same with hipsters and their faggot marches. Antifa are the same. They're bored, and merely want to feel part of something. They'll look for any excuse to "Fuck da police" so they show up at protests.
Pic related. A slapped-on Antifa sticker in West Oakland. You can find these stickers in most parts of the SF bay area along street lights, etc. I never really realized what they were until really thinking about it. Usually I just assume a sticker on a pole is just another skateboard brand slapped on.
>>41612377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2RSUhQamCM
>>41612446
Huh, I wonder why they didn't have a bigger presence during the OWS protests.
>>41612404
ANTIFA MEANS ATTACK
all there website updates (they organize in local groups so maybe it is different somewhere else) read like propaganda pieces
>>41612472
I would think it's because antifa is explicitly a violent organization and those protests were supposed to be non-violent.
>>41611284
>'Elected' kikes import cheap labour
>antifa hate
lol
>>41612447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMZ7mYMdKfM
>>41612472
Perhaps they weren't willing to "Respect the Stack"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCwhlZtHhWs
>>41611284
>Antifa
probably the worst human beings in the whole world. Literally subhuman intellect and behaviour. I'm not even a fascist and I still hate them with a passion
>>41611471
this is also true over here
>>41612516
>that nose
God dammit.
Probably them acting more fascist than any actual fascist party in a few decades.
>>41612511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-2j8Wg8zsw
>>41612594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQvziO9mCg8
Based sweedish nationalist.
>>41612610
This is my favorite.
>>41612615
I like how she at first thinks nothing will happen to her because all swedish males she knows are beta to the max.
>>41612648
That was a guy who stole the flag
>>41612615
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwh6Hq0tHRA
Antifa get beat by the Muslims they love so much. Deep down they know is their fault for being so racist.
>These fags are protesting agains a ball in Vienna (Akademikerball)
>The ball is organised by the FPÖ, but it is nothing more than a fucking ball
>Antifags butthurt they aren't allowed to protest after those years of chimpouts
>Still proceed to burn cars a smash windows of shops
>Get med when police take them in.
Pic related, it's the famouns Antifa in Wien
>
>>41612338
As you've said this is likely why we don't have a problem with them here. If they threw something at my windows I'd paint the ground with their brains.
>>41612386
Here is a example of what you are talking about backfiring.
>>41612447
>>41611284
The young ones are just looking for a free pass to vandalize, under the pretext that they're "fighting fascism". Nationalists push in their shit hard here, so they lay low and close to the cops, lel.
Also in their own faction they're vastly outnumbered by old farts that miss communism. Pic related is what the average anti-fascist protest looks like.
>>41611955
>Burning cars.
http://youtu.be/_6eHBDhQ1QQ
they are truly nice people and the last defenders against fascism :^)
>>41612804
Cops in America hate everyone. Cops in Europe seem to only hate ANTIFA. Go European cops
>>41612871
Which was worse? 2014 or 2015?
I haven't followed the NOWKR last year.
>>41612877
Maybe we should encourage the existence of antifa in the US to give cops a legitimate group to hate?
>>41612787
What as strange video and strange set of circumstances.
>>41612956
The only bad part about that video is that proud young Spanish man is in prison on a murder charge for stabbing the 2 antifa that put their hands on him.
The video is funny because how they think they are easily going to intimidate him with their numbers, but he just holds strong and embarrasses them.
>>41612936
Sounds like something I would love! But up here in the midwest, everyone seems to be pretty peaceful. Except for the cops.
>>41612916
2014
nowkr demo was outlawed 2015 and police filed charges for 'building a criminal organization' against unknown since the organizers threatened the police
>of course we can't guarantee we won't use violence during protests
police was heavily criticized for outlawing them but afaik they did it to prevent FPÖ from gaining too much ground through anarchists.
>>41612637
We didn't have peace in the first place, you delusional fucks.
>>41613078
Who is "we" and who is "you"?
>>41611284
They are pretty much neo-nazis but on the opposite end.
Stupid, violent and repressive of any dissent
anti fa doesnt really make sense, none whatsoever. They are liberals, socialists even who are for the soviet version of equality (cultural marxism) but they forget that national socialism of germany is also socialism. It is just a different cultural version.
So we got soviet fetishists trying to beat down similar movements as theirs. Its like all the crazy sects in islam fighting against one another. Its crazy as hell.
>>41613103
"We" as in society, "you" as in antifa.
>>41611284
ANTIFA don't actually care about their cause. They couldn't tell you the primary tenets of fascism and why it is they oppose them. All they want is to be seen as morally just crusaders. They are a load of self-righteous wankers who want to show what hard-cases they are to the herd.
in medieval times they would have been the gang that went around burning heretics and stoning adulterers. and they have the nerve to claim it's in the name of freedom.
neo-nazis and stormweenies might be absolute thugs and dumbasses also but it must at least take some kind of nerve to take up an ideology that is so vilified and opposed in modern society.
>>41613012
That makes a lot of sense, especially with the consideration that the video was used in court proceedings.
As soon as I saw how nicely edited it was and the fact that it was all security footage I knew some serious shit was going to go down in it.
If people want to have gang affiliations (which is really all that antifa is) then the price ends up being things like having friends that get stabbed to death or getting put in prison for doing the stabbing, I suppose.
>>41611513
>Northern Europe is filled with sleezy white capitalists.
Says the noble American.
>>41613199
Indeed sir. Just because I am from Capitalist America, doesn't mean I have to conform.
>>41613136
It sounds like antifa is pretty much centered around moral justifications for violence and garden variety groupthink.
>>41613235
Hmyea that's kinda true. Still, it sounds a little strange coming from you guys
>>41612136
They're the same kind of people who join football hooligans or become violent neo nazis. The exception is that Antifa attracts more retarded women because in the current narrative they are fighting against evil so therefore they are doing something good.
They are insecure people who need a tribe instead of being a productive member of society.
>>41612676
You can never be sure in Sweden.
>>41612160
They are a loose cooperation with bases in Stockholm and Malmö most often. RevFront has their headquarters just north of Stockholm, but nearly all of them are in jail for 5+ years at the moment.
>>41612610
>spanish
what a beautiful language.
They're ruining Bologna.
>>41613281
Yeah. Mostly everyone here is capitalist anyways.
>>41611284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6p1I5R9ays
faggots
Extreme left (selfhating)anti white jobless scum and you are asking what is wrong with them. Let's see what the antifa has done lately:started protest(between the children) with butthurt niggers because muh zwarte piet so racist. Protested again with the butthurt niggerd against a movie about michiel de ruyter considered a hero by the dutch people because muh colonialism was so evil and bad even though they have no sources that say de ruyter was a slaver.
Basically anything nationalistic or white is RACIST!!!! Free palestine
>>41612377
Maybe not Antifa, but similar group trying to have a party in Rosengård and gets kicked out by the muslims that they love to protect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwh6Hq0tHRA
>>41612404
It is because in their mind, the capitalist system and the current narrative is an attack on their very health so they are always in self-defence mode. Therefore their attacks, even unprovoked attacks, are self-defence. No christian ethics here no, no.
>>41612435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4A1haySbx8
>>41611284
They act like They're being rebellious and edgy and hardcore by doing nothing more than respecting an almost universally reviled concept, of which less than 0.5% of the population self-identifies with.
Antifa are brainwashed, cowardly left wing extremists who think they're special just because of the language they use. They act tough even though they have never faced any serious hardship or discrimination at any point in their lives.
They're the epitome of the marxist "useful idiot."
I'm not even a fascist, but I'd pick a fascist any day over antifa.
>>41611513
>capitalists
>fascists
Jesus Christ, how politically illiterate are you? Degenerate leftists are staunch allies of capitalism, for all their pseudo-marxist rhetoric.
>>41611284
http://youtu.be/IRpTxKsV7Es
>>41613488
The Britfags seems to always be the most rude. Every other European showed their message peacefully. America rules the queen drowns in my fluids.
How do they function as a group? The use of consistent images and logos between continents implies they must have some leadership and rigid command structure.
>>41613554
>leadership and rigid command structure
no
they are anarchists
the only thing bonding them to one another is hate and an urge for violence.
>>41613554
I think they just download them from websites
like saying 4channers must be very professional because we all have the same sad frog image on our computers
>>41611284
What isn't wrong with Antifa?
>>41613607
That fucking whore.
>>41611284
They're socialist astroturf.
>>41613607
Wow. And here I thought the left was suppost to be less violent. Just goes to show that you shouldn't be right or left, you should be up top.
>>41613607
>being a leftist
>ever
>>41611572
How is that "fascist" exactly?
Fascist doesn't mean "attack people I don't agree with" you fucking idiot.
Fascism isn't just some people being mean and pushing you about.
>>41613637
I really wish someone would burn that bitch ISIS style since she's asking for people being burned alive.
>>41611656
>People hate ANTIFA because they're violent thugs.
What's wrong with violence?
Are you some kind of massive pussy?
>>41613671
>Wow. And here I thought the left was suppost to be less violent.
Nope.
Just they're using violence to attack the spread of fascist ideology and fascist political movements instead of using violence to promote them.
Which is something I wholeheartedly support.
Fuck liberalism. Fuck your freedom of speech.
>>41611284
I don't think being an anti-fascists is something bad, the problem is that as a lot of other ideological groups it has degenerated into something entirely different and stupid. It's not really different from being a modern feminist or a SJW.
>>41613607
>jew pays a whore to try and divide any brotherhood between germany and britain
>this point is missed by most posters
>>41613756
>brotherhood between germany and britain
Why?
Aren't you a nationalist?
Don't you believe that your nation (Britain) is where your loyalty lies, not with other nations?
I love this "international nationalism" that gets preached on here, you're already abandoning the nation-state as the primary political actor in favour of some pan-national "white-nes" which isn't even tied to the nation-state.
Could it be the material basis of the nation-state is withering away in the 21st century?
Sure as hell looks like it to me.
>>41613750
>>41613713
stop shitposting, xXxXedgemaster1999XxXx
>>41613815
>Anything which isn't Babby's First Liberal Platitude = shitposting
I'm absolutely sincere.
The only way to beat fascism is with violence. The experience of the 20th century is proof.
I guess Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt, Tito, De Gaulle, Truman et al were Fascists too right? Cos they used violence to defeat Fascism?
>>41613845
so you are marxists scum.
A pox a upon you and your family.
>>41613858
>Using the word "marxisms" as an insult
pmsl, enjoy being a slave to the oligarchy.
>>41613891
I would rather be under any other political system then be run by traitor cucks like yourself.
You are a piece of shit and I hope you die.
>>41613923
>traitor
No shame in that.
I'm not the sort of servile bootlicker who wants to kiss the foot that kicks us.
Who thanks them for their scorn.
Who begs their indulgence and forgiveness for the simple act of being born.
>>41613845
Give me one example of modern day fascism in the uk
>>41613956
yeah yeah now get back to sucking jamal,Shlomo and Muhammad's cock you commie rat.
>>41612062
I think you're confusing PEGIDA with HOGESA.
>>41613962
They target democratic parties like UKIP that they admit are not fascist.
antifa are scum and deep down they know it.
>>41613962
Very hard to find as the specific and detailed definition of Fascism is related to certain historical conditions which don't really exists in Britain (to pick one random example - a powerful Catholic church that plays an important role in the politics of the society)
we have a great many nationalist groups who perform a similar political function to the fascists of old but with a number of key differences because of the different historical environment (to paraphrase Orwell "Fascism is what capitalism resorts to at time of crisis to prop up the failing order, fascism is simply liberalism in decay") most far-right nationalist groups fulfill that definition and perform the same function as the fascists of the early 20th century.
>>41612594
It would have been cool if there were enough guys to form a hoplite wall.
>>41613994
>They target democratic parties like UKIP that they admit are not fascist.
I don't support using direct action or violence against UKIP.
UKIP, for the most part, campaign within the legal and constitutional framework of the country, don't use street violence to "March and Grow" in the classical fascist mould, therefore we should oppose them from within the same legal and constitutional framework.
And I'm not entirely sure you have a detailed knowledge of either Antifa in the UK and of UK party politics.
>>41614004
How come all antifa's are anti white
>>41614041
You support antifa in general you little shit don't back peddle now.
>Implying you don't support UAF
>>41614060
They aren't. That's projection. They're anti-fascist.
>>41614063
>Antifa
>UAF
You do realise these are different organisations don't you?
>>41614095
You realize UAF are antifa? Christ you don't even know what the fuck you support. Typical antifa drone.
>>41611284
antifa is a knee-jerk reactionary movement, which is actually just another form of fascism; one which is anti-native/anti-european/anti-white.
>>41614115
>You realize UAF are antifa?
No they aren't.
Antifa is a colloquealism for what is called in Britain Anti-Fascist Network, it's anarcho-communist and not affiliated to UAF (infact it was an organisation set up because of quite clear ideological and tactical differences to UAF)
UAF is a front group for the Socialist Workers Party, a trotskyite group that's known for trying to hi-jack grassroots political activism for recruiting puposes.
UAF are shit. They're utterly discredited. AFN and Antifa are much better.
>Amerifat trying to teach me about the internal workings for far-left British politics
top kek
Further, Antifa attacks anyone that wishes to preserve their national identity which differs from that of the antifa's. A man should be able to have a say over whether or not his country is to be overrun by hordes of immigrants from violent third-world countries, that carry no notion of respect towards those in the country that provide for them their safe haven. Natives should have the option of booting out these thugs for good, and for closing their borders permanently.
>>41614138
>which is actually just another form of fascism
Again:
>>41613699
>Fascism isn't just some people being mean and pushing you about.
Words have meanings.
>>41614095
> implying
> https://afadenhaag.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/afa-den-haag-in-actie-tegen-verheerlijking-michiel-de-ruyter/
>>41614174
antifascistnetwork.org/tag/uaf/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_Against_Fascism
>Anti-fascist pressure group
>Commie scum Britbong needs a American to break his commie buddies for him
>>41614187
>Further, Antifa attacks anyone that wishes to preserve their national identity
Nope.
Although "preserving your national identity" is a fucking stupid idea imo however I don't advocate attacking people for being stupid.
>>41614204
break down his commie buddies for him*
Seriously though are all commies this dumb?
>>41614213
>DAT BACKPEDAL
>>41613801
>>41613750
you deserve to get pissed on and mocked in front of everyone you know.
>>41614188
They are fascist in that they would resort to violence, and that they are targeting a specific ethnic group with said violence, for the benefit of specific ethnic groups, who just happen to be swarming in and taking over parts of the country. Words DO have meanings, I agree. Perhaps you should look up the terms "Cuck" and "traitor"?
>>41614204
http://antifascistnetwork.org/about/
About us
The Anti-Fascist Network is a network of independent and grassroots groups working together against the rise of racism and fascism in our communities.
Anti-fascists have opposed the EDL and similar groups wherever they go. The aim of the network is to support these local actions and to join together to counter regional and national far right events, ensuring maximum numbers on the streets as well as sharing resources and providing legal support.
The Anti-Fascist Network is not about telling people how to campaign in their areas, what type of anti-fascist activity they should undertake or what political analysis they should adopt. We simply want to cooperate to defeat fascism.
The Anti-Fascist Network is non-hierarchical, will never work with the police and is not affiliated to any political party.
>and is not affiliated to any political party.
Top quality reading there, Amerifat.
Recently Aljazeera posted some opinion column saying how some American Antifa fags should deserve a medal for violently attacking a White Nationalist meeting in their own residence. These fags came up with baseball bats and wrecked like 10 people and they tried to make it seem like its OK.
Fuck Antifa. I believe there is a video in Sweden where Antifa starts running from "muh nazis"
>>41614244
>antifa is a political party
Holy shit you are a idiot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_Against_Fascism
Read what type of organization it is. You can read can't you?
>>41614242
>They are fascist in that they would resort to violence
Unfortunately Fascism isn't just "political violence" is it?
>>41614242
>and that they are targeting a specific ethnic group with said violence
Nope, they're being targetted for their belief in a fascist political ideology.
>>41614258
the UAF is a affiliated to the Socialist Workers Party
The AFN organises seperately from UAF because they don't like the SWP.
And because they're shit.
I know this because I've been intimately involved in british anti-fascism for years, been to the planning meetings, know the people involved in running these groups on a personal level.
In-depth first hand knowledge, something you clearly don't have.
>>41614264
> they're being targetted for what my commie buddies deem is a fascist political ideology.
FTFY
>>41613750
>Fuck liberalism. Fuck your freedom of speech.
violent crackdown on all far left politics when? I mean after all, fuck freedom of speech right?
>>41614264
Nice doublethink there Britbong. I know you cucks are particularly fond of totalitarianism that is shrouded in a mirage of progressive ethics.
Antifa's are good people, regardless of what these retards on /pol/ says.
Antifa cares and defend people, they consider humans to have equal worth, they go against the government and hide asylum seekers because the sick upperclass are racist beuracrats.
Many former nazi in sweden renounce their former flawed ideology and become antifa.
Facism and nazism must be fight at every turn, if nazism were to get a hold of sweden they would discriminate against people violently with an elitist mindset.
Oh your skin colour is different? Lock him up! Your father was from east europe and your mother was from sweden? Lock him up! Anyone who doesnt fit our sick model; lock them up!
Nazist needs to be put down, too bad this is a retarded contrarian board striving to be so fucking edgy even the other boards are sick of this boards browsers.
>>41614244
Hey, can you show me REAL evidence of fascism in the UK or US? UK sucks regardless, but please?
>>41614296
>violent crackdown on all far left politics when?
Isn't that what Fascism advocates anyway?
I don't care about your freedom of speech. I don't even recognise your right to live and exist on this earth so why would I care about your freedom of speech you massive liberal vagina?
>>41614293
And yet you don't even know what antifa means and think it is one cohesive group in every European country.
You are a fool and you are just embarrassing yourself.
>>41614312
I agree if the world had any justice we could hunt you and skin you the way you deserve.
>>41614307
>Antifa's are good people
good one
>>41614312
>I don't care about your freedom of speech. I don't even recognise your right to live and exist on this earth so why would I care about your freedom of speech you massive liberal vagina?
...so you would have no objection if the government had you and your communist friends rounded up and shot tomorrow? Good to know
>>41614316
Let me explain to you:
UAF is a front group run by Trots (the SWP)
AFN (in common parlance "antifa") is an broadly Anarchist group unaffiliated to UAF because of their dislike and opposition to the ideology and tactics of the SWP.
They despise one another. They have seperate meetings, seperate planning structures, seperate everything.
Why are you telling me about something I know in intimate detail through years and years of personal involvement?
>>41614307
>I8HBhZVG
>sweedish antifa cuck spammer
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/41357128/
What more reason do you need to be against such people?
>>41614293
Oh let me guess, you were one of those Londoners who were rioting for more free shit a few years ago? You are all pathetic shit-stains, dirtying up the beautiful tapestry of British society.
Face it, your ideology is doomed to fail once people wake up to the effects of unbridled immigration from third-world war zones. You are on the wrong side of history. Europe is waking up to the fact that moderate political policy is the ONLY way to maintain stability and peace, since if you go too far to the left or to the right, where you utterly ignore a voting bloc which numbers in the 10s of millions in your country, your country will then devolve into anarchy.
>>41614364
are u a trot bruh?
>>41614331
The feeling's mutual.
>Fash expecting me to extend the right to freedom of speech to racists who fantasize about hunting and killing us
Good one, very funny.
>And they say Americans have no understanding of satire!
>>41614364
Just because you are a commie rat doesn't mean you are right. They are considered a Anti-fascist pressure group and correctly as such.
>>41614377
Fuck off.
>>41612067
>would thrash diese kids in a split second
>what kind of opposition is that
pity that the actual nazi movement is so shitty
>>41612594
lol that chick trying to take the flag, gets the fucking pole planted in her face, pure justice
>>41614393
lol ur probably some anarchist baby
>>41614385
I only want to hunt you down because you the biggest and brutal authoritarians on the block. On top of that you betray the natives of your country and cause like 15x more terrorism then "neo nazis or fascists"
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263282/number-of-deaths-due-to-terrorism-grouped-by-perpetrator-category/
it's because you are scum pure and simple.
I wish you would try to hunt me down so I could make another youtube video of faggots like you getting rekt.
>>41614374
>Oh let me guess, you were one of those Londoners who were rioting for more free shit a few years ago?
Nope. I'm from the North of England.
>You are all pathetic shit-stains, dirtying up the beautiful tapestry of British society.
you know fuck all about British society apart from what you've pieced together on the internet.
>>41614374
>You are on the wrong side of history.
Hahaha and oh god, this one is even better:
>>41614374
>Europe is waking up to the fact that moderate political policy is the ONLY way to maintain stability and peace
fucking lel. You're not paying very close attention to European politics I take it?
Because liberalism is dying out here faster than it did in the 1930's. The Centre is finished. In Europe today "moderate" means "someone who wants to cling to the failing status quo due to the their vested interests".
A moderate is someone who wants the oligarchy continue their utter and total domination of democratic politics as the expense of the people.
Liberals are such pussies, fuck your moderation.
>>41614419
>I only want to hunt you down because you the biggest and brutal authoritarians on the block.
hilarious.
And what's wrong with killing nazis? Absolutely nothing so far as I'm concerned.
>>41614445
>And what's wrong with killing nazis?
Dude... I hate to break it to you but you are 70 years too late.
>>41614445
>Implying it is not true.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263282/number-of-deaths-due-to-terrorism-grouped-by-perpetrator-category/
What is wrong with killing commies like you who demand we open the flood gates to outsiders?
How are you not a traitor who deserves death?
>>41614418
No actually.
I'm just a socialist. Anti-fascist.
Leninism is a bit of an anachronism. We're making our own tendencies and our own traditions in response to events and in response to the needs of our generation, not by trying to copy what happened a hundred years ago, that would be stupid.
>>41614460
And the needs of your generation are to replace yourselves? kek
>>41614419
>>41614426
No bullying. This is a nice board
>>41614445
Killing is bad. :^)
But don't worry, you'll have to teach the new Muslims in your country what not to do, like rape or kill. They even mistake your gay group for Nazis
>>41614459
I never disputed it was true.
>What is wrong with killing commies like you who demand we open the flood gates to outsiders?
I've not mentioned anything in regards to my beliefs on immigration. I'm not in favour of an unrestricted labour market (although that's on economic rather than natioanlist grounds, on principleI have no problem with the idea of mass immigration, just that under the current conditions immigration takes places at the behest of, and in the interests of, global capital)
>>41614486
>dat spelling
lol my apologies.
>>41614486
You are Marxist collectivist no one cares about your stupid individual views that are not even coherent. It's all about social justice and the "new left" if you like it or not and the people around you have accepted that.
>>41614460
yeah, why would you want to copy the one revolution that crushed the tsar and the provisional government, ended the war and began the project of building and spreading socialism?
yeah, wouldn't want to follow that success story. what are the 'needs' of your generation?
>>41614244
>>41614307
Why do you idiots dox innocent people?
Also, capitalism and fascism are completely incongruent. Capitalists support immigration for obvious reasons.
I'm not a poltard, but you guys are just as biased and as hypocritical as them.
>>41614475
>And the needs of your generation are to replace yourselves?
I'm not bothered about ethnic purity.
The idea of ethnically pure nation-states is dead and gone. Get used to it. You're American, you should know this better than anyone.
Your mixed race descendants won't care. Post-racial coffee-coloured mongrel great-grandkids will be fine.
It'll be one world soon. Gonna have a hard place for you to live in though.
The backlash against this from nationalists and such who can see the writing on the wall will be tough for the next 20 or 30 years but you can't beat demographics. Slowly, inexorably, like Fabius of old, we will undermine the material basis of nationalist ideology until it can no longer be utilised as means by which to ensure subservience to the state and the ruling class.
The SJW's can be our useful idiots in this process, even if their brand of narcissistic liberal identity politics is stupid, they'll still be able to help out in the broader war of position.
>>41614460
You're the plague off Europe.
Happily you "economic" system is falling apart and soon you'll pay for you crimes
>>41614531
>Marxists
>innocent
>>41614486
Just want to point this out
>against unrestricted immigration
>Is part of a group that wants a much immigration as possible
>>41614264
>Nope, they're being targetted for their belief in a fascist political ideology.
don't worry commie faggot, you will be first on the train.
>>41614307
To the casual observer they look like a group dedicated to promoting rightwing extremism by making the left impossible for the average person to tolerate.
If their actions actually increase the number of facists and nazis it's still good? The important thing appears to be the members got feel like they were important people. Such narcissism seems contrary to the leftist and communist ideals of the past.
>>41614562
It's funny how you really believe that when in asia and middle east ethnic interests are at a all time high.
Because of cucks like you your country will simply be a giant Detroit.
Our country was at it's best when it was 90% white.
>>41614526
tbf Lenin's tactics were good for his time.
There's a reason his revolution succeeded and the revolutions in other country's didn't.
But the same things which were successful in overthrowing the Tsar were also responsible for the slow descent into bureaucratic centralism that by 1927 had effectively killed off any realistic prospect of socialism in Russia.
And also: Why would we follow the tactics of someone when we're in a very different economic and historical situation to that group? The Bolsheviks were a product of Tsarism, and I don't live under a collapsing Tsarist autocracy I live under a collapsing neo-liberal EU system, one with much greater scope for legitimate activism than existed in Lenin's day.
>>41614531
>Also, capitalism and fascism are completely incongruent
No they aren't.
Fascism is what capital resorts to when it needs to defend itself against the Radical Left.
They were quite open about this at the time y'know.
>>41614616
This moron.
>>41614244
You are the Nazis.
>>41614604
> the same things which were successful in overthrowing the Tsar were also responsible for the slow descent into bureaucratic centralism
mind explaining further?
>we're in a very different economic and historical situation
don't we still live under capitalism? capitalism in crises, might I add?
>>41614616
Quoting Orwell who lived in a different era is not proof. The globalized world is the antithesis of nationalism. Today's capitalists definitely do not want to see a rise in fascism.
>>41614633
In what way?
There's more to Nazism than "using violence to achieve politcal goals" after all by that definition every nation-state in human history is "Nazi"
And furthermore, the word "Nazi" doesn't mean "anyone who's not a pussy liberal who wants to indulge my right to free speech and incitement of violence" fucking get real.
>>41614604
You better not be a hypocrite and accept the government benefits. FUCK THE GOVERNMENT GIB ME WELLFARE PLS
>>41614664
It's funny how the "pussies" always beat your ass. Face it the best you can do is block the street kek
>>41614650
>don't we still live under capitalism? capitalism in crises, might I add?
yes, but in Russia in 1917 capitalism was very weak, and it was of a vastly different incipient type than the neo-liberalism practiced by the EU.
I can't really go into the details I'm not here to have a sincere debate I'm here to point and laugh at fascists, nazis and their fellow travellers.
>>41614460
And yet, every single "socialist" experiment ended up killing millions of people, and ultimately collapsed on itself. You know why? Because you cannot build an economy from the top down. It will always fail, because we cannot accurately model a system which is based on the actions of millions of people who are irrational with money. Further, it promotes hegemony like nothing else. Every single "socialist" experiment made a handful of people incredibly rich, and everyone else incredibly poor. You have to have your eyes closed towards history to be a socialist.
>>41614683
You can laugh, but nationalism is the biggest it has been in decades in europe :)
Day of rope soon commie scum.
>>41614664
You're kidding right? You people resort to violence, subterfuge and libel in order to further your agenda.
>>41614683
>Russia in 1917
>capitalism
>>41614661
upto a point, but the definition that Orwell provides is a very accurate understanding.
And although capitalism doesn't care much for nationalism, nationalism is still one of the primary means the nation-state (which capitalists most certainly do need) to remain legitimate. Without nationalism the popular legitimacy of the nation-state is undermined, and the nation-state (which props up the globalised institutions for regulating capitalism like the G8, IMF, EU etc) is something capitalists do need.
So it's nationalism for you, to keep you in your place and society in order, and it's internationalism for them.
Just like how the oligarchs and capitalists privatize the profits and socialise the losses. Nationalism is for you to follow, not for them.
Get rid of the nationalism, the racism, the chauvinism etc and the states role as a tool of class rule is left naked and exposed.
>>41614562
Also
>implying if you ever get your way you wont just get taken over by islam
>>41614714
>Day of rope soon commie scum.
Yeah yeah yeah keep fantasizing.
>>41614718
>You're kidding right? You people resort to violence, subterfuge and libel in order to further your agenda.
Thank you very much I take that as a compliment.
>>41614751
>Get rid of the nationalism, the racism, the chauvinism etc and the states role as a tool of class rule is left naked and exposed.
This faggot. Worked well for sweden. Oh wait it is rape capital of europe because of cucks like you.
>>41614721
Well exactly, that's my point, only in a few places like St. Petersberg and Moscow was there much by way of a capitalist economy. The bulk of the economy was essentially feudal.
Which is why using Lenin's tactics (designed for that situation) in this day and age would be stupid.
>>41611284
had some from germany here protesting or shouting or some shit in somewhat organized manner
>we must leave the borders open so anyone can immigrate to our EU countries
they're literally retarded
>>41614771
I don't need to fantasize. What European political party is power is closest to your political position?
>>41614199
>Michiel de ruyter
Funny thing is that guy was actually some kind of philanthropist for his time. He literally bought slaves to set them free. I guess after the zwarte piet ban the professional whiners needed a new subject.
>>41614754
>implying a significant number of Antifa aren't already Muslims
>implying that they aren't the most useful idiots in the world
>>41614807
They just do that as away to attack the white man.
>>41611959
>>41611959
Honestly, they remind me of the Brown Shirts....and nobody likes a hypocrite
>>41614780
No you don't understand, for a country to work in the modern age you need a balance of socialism and capitalism, so as to supplement each other.
Getting rid of one or the other would most likely lead to the ruin of the nation.
>>41614826
a way*
German antifa are definately the craziest they literally campaign for the extinction of the German people
>>41614754
I doubt that.
After all it's not the left that's been supporting Islam. It's been right-wing governments who've systematically propped up the governments of the Saudi's and Qatari's for the last 70 years. It was the Truman administration who decided to start focusing American energy needs on the Saudis "because it was better to get oil from radical islamists than it is to get it from communist-affiliated coal miners unions" and it was Thatcher who went to Afghanistan and gave speeces praising the Mujahadeen in favour of the (secular, atheist) communist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjNEqR6N6Gs
I could go on all day.
I don't care for Islam because it's been western backed Islamist groups killing my comrades for decades in th middle-east, but I'm not in favour of racist and sectarian attacks on Muslims either.
It's a position you probably struggle to understand. But that's ok, the less you understand, the less able you will be to fight us.
>>41614771
Ah, so then you admit you are a fascist. I would say that you are probably just being purposely hypocritical in order to troll, but then again, antifatas are known for being dumb as bricks.
>>41614888
>After all it's not the left that's been supporting Islam.
It's funny how ignorant you are and then say
>It's a position you probably struggle to understand. But that's ok, the less you understand, the less able you will be to fight us.
You are so out of touch and honestly as demonstrated you leftie types are limp wristed homosexuals. It will be easy to crush you when the time comes.
>>41614875
What's with the RAF roundel?
fug
>>41614751
So your argument is pretty much: anarchy? I don't think capitalism is going to be stopped by quelling nationalism. There's always, unfortunately, going to be an unfair hierarchy. I don't trust socialism. I also think it's been completely hijacked by the middle class. It's no longer a working class movement, and I know you're definitely not working class.
>>41614934
>Ah, so then you admit you are a fascist.
No I'm socialist.
There's nothing uniquely fascist about using violence to further political goals, or using violence to prevent people who are a threat to you gaining ground.
I think a lot of people are struggling here because they have a definition of fascist which is essentially "non-ideological political violence" or "people being mean to me" detached from a specific ideological position. Fascism is not just political violence, it's political violence to promote a specifically Fascist ideological worldview, one that I disagree with, and I'm prepared to use violence to prevent if necessary.
So, to sum up:
>Using political violence to promote fascism = bad
>Using political violence to attack fascism = good
Because I don't have a problem with political violence in itself, I have a problem with political violence to further ideological goals I'm opposed to.
Is everyone on here some sort of crybaby liberal or something?
>>41614888
>I don't care for Islam because it's been western backed Islamist groups killing my comrades for decades in the middle-east
Not recognising an enemy is a fatal flaw that will be your undoing.
>>41615043
We are just delusional socialists such as yourself.
>Killing commies= Good
>hurting fellow countrymen and patriots= bad
>>41615079
just not delusional*
>>41615032
>o your argument is pretty much: anarchy? I don't think capitalism is going to be stopped by quelling nationalism.
No neither do I but I do think that without nationalism, chauvinism and so on the state would have no other means to call upon to get people to legitimise it other than naked class rule.
So although capitalists don't like the nation-state interfering with their globally based interests, they do like the state keeping the domestic populations in line and obedient by being able to call upon nationalist sentiment. They couldn't do this on economic terms alone.
Which is kinda what I mean when I say it's nationalism for you, to keep you loyal and obedient, and internationalism for them, to keep them in charge and powerful.
>>41615100
And penises for you.
>>41615043
>Using political violence to promote Islam = bad
>Using political violence to attack progressives = good
See what I did there, it's called an opinion.
Also do you not see that silencing something has the opposite effect see; >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
>>41615032
>There's always, unfortunately, going to be an unfair hierarchy.
No there isn't. this is just a product of demoralisation.
>>41615032
>I also think it's been completely hijacked by the middle class.
This is partially true.
>>41615032
>It's no longer a working class movement, and I know you're definitely not working class.
Unfortunately I am working class. I work a shit job, I earn just under £200 a week, I'm from a working-class family. I work for a living. I know what it's like to do split shifts and I know what it's like to live on 10p noodles and what I can scavenge from foodbanks. Many people on the middle-class edgy hipster left don't.
Sorry if I don't meet up to your idealised projection of what a socialist ought to be like. Don't blame me just because reality isn't to your liking.
>>41614848
Bullshit, socialism is cancer that's slow down any progress, another thing is that no one forbids you to make yourself enclave where you'll live in u commie way.
The point is why the fuck you trying, to force me into that shit.
Oh yeah, it's because off my money!
It's all excuse so parasite like yourself can steal in law.
>>41615141
How does it feel to know you will never see your your cuck wet dreams come true?
>>41615119
Upto a point this is true, but political violence isn't a mater of faith to me, it's a tactic. In some situations it's a good tactic, in others it's not. You have to judge each situation by it's merits.
And I've never been in favour of the state banning fascist groups from marching or speaking etc, I don't want the state (an institution infinitely more violent than the political left currently could ever be) doing our dirty work.
>>41615141
haha you're poor
>>41611284
They are what the fight.
Uneducated.
Violent.
Totalitarians.
Anti-intellectual.
>>41615178
How does it feel to be a failure consider nationalist sentiment is rising?
>>41615168
>Polandball: Capitalism is great, I love the free market, socialism is stupid
>Englandball: Shut up and keep cleaning my toilet slav. Your opinion means nothing
Enjoy your capitalism.
>>41615205
Enjoy your special snowflake socialism that will never happen.
>>41615141
>No there isn't. this is just a product of demoralisation.
I'm pessimistic. I think capitalism is very much in tune with human nature.
>This is partially true.
Then how can you stand it?
>>41615244
He is a cuck. He is use to standing there and taking it.
>>41614486
>I have no problem with mass immigration
Wow! Hey guys! Look at how diverse he is! SOOOOOOO multicultural!!!!!! Much Tolerance! Wow!!!!
>>41615168
Firstly calm down, secondly I do not support full blown socialism handouts to valids that can work.
More so to were it is actually needed like the Old, the sick and to a certain extent healthcare.
>>41615178
>but political violence isn't a mater of faith to me, it's a tactic.
>In some situations it's a good tactic, in others it's not.
>Physically attack a group you hate
>People sympathise with said group
>Vilify your own
>Good tactic to fight opposing group
>>41615203
Are you still here butthurt Amerilard?
Nationalist sentiment is rising because they're scared. They can see Europe changing in a way they're frightened of.
It'llbe 20 or 30 years of nationalist incalcitrance until the last people who can remember all-white ethnically homogenous nation-states die off. When the generations for whom multi-cultural and multi-ethnic society is the norm are in their dotage the material basis for reactionary nationalism will no longer exist.
Part of the reason I come to /pol/ (other than to fuck with Brit/pol/ freaks and get them sacked etc) is so I can see the anxiety and angst of people who know their precious "white race" is coming to an end, that their worldview is collapsing.
The long-term prospects for us are very good, but short-to-medium term is going to be good for nationalists also (this kind of polarisation is healthy imo, the death of the centre opens up opportunities for both far-right and far-left that previously didn't exist) however the nationalists have got a long-term problem (the death of ethnically homogenous nation-states) that we don't have, so I'm totally confident we'll win out in the end.
And furthermore some of the more long-sighted amongst you on here know this. That's why there's so much "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" shit here on a daily basis (which is a great source of amusement to me and my comrades btw do keep it up)
>>41615196
>Uneducated
Come on m8. You most know that most leftie liberal types are university educated, whereas most fascists are dumb skinhead types. Study after study has linked prejudice with lower IQ and lower education. Not saying either group is right, but those are the facts.
also
>They are what the fight.
>>41615205
Back to /r/communism
>>41615244
>Then how can you stand it?
By organising in my own working-class community, with other working-class people, and not with stupid liberal middle-class edgy uni students too busy checking each other's privilege to care about the bread and butter issues.
>>41614616
An orwell quote! Must be true! What a tolerant literary genius!
>>41614875
im mad now
>>41615324
Kek sure thing faggot. Once again what is the European political party in power that is closest to your political stance.
>The long-term prospects for us are very good
PFFTTTT HAHA
yeah because rev left socialists are doing so well
>>41615203
Nationalist sentiment is rising because economics is difficult to understand and immigrants are an easy target.
>>41615324
>(other than to fuck with Brit/pol/ freaks and get them sacked etc)
Also yeah right like anyone IRL cares about a little cuck like you.
>>41614888
>we get oil from them
>must mean we want them to mass immigrate to our country.
Being this retarded while acting that arrogant??????
>>41615379
>>41615379
>yeah because rev left socialists are doing so well
Actually not doing bad at all atm. Better than 10-15 years ago that's for sure!
After all we've had Syriza in Greece, and we've got Podemos in Spain, and there's Italy, Ireland, Slovenia, Croatia, Cyprus, Scotland, Portugal and a few other places I can't remember off the top of my head where the "far-left" is in the ascedent.
Far-right doing well in France (on a low plurality) parts of England (UKIP is piss-weak Toryism though, anti-EU too which helps us) and Holland (Wilders, although again Holland we've seen the Dutch Socialists gaining strength in lieu of the failure of the political centre)
In short the centre is collapsing, chaos is spreading, the EU is collapsing, war is on our borders and the prognosis is excellent!
>>41611284
The anti-racist, the anti-fascist today is someone trying to push their own agenda under the guise of something good like freedom.
In reality they're all socialists, communists, anarchists, whatever that fascism presents a threat to politically. Antifa is a group made solely for useful idiots to feel like they're doing something useful and doing horrible things to people which they find justified while furthering the agenda for those who benefit from the principles pushed by Antifa.
And you can't get condemned when you say you're fighting racists.
The only good thing about Antifa is that it makes the worst idiots in your neighborhood voluntarily put themselves on a list
>>41615453
>Syriza is greece
kek you are kidding right?
Yeah your long term is looking bad they are pretty much going to get replaced by golden dawn after they suck as much EU cock as possible.
>The closest things you have are EU shills
kek
>>41615141
so you're a socialist now because you couldn't hack it in capitalism?
>>41615465
>>41615495
Also you don't about jobbik(which you would probably consider nazi), or Denmark,
We are the on the way up and you cuck fags are on the way out.
>>41615495
Currently on 45% in the polls (compared to 4.5% for Golden Dawn) and Tsipras has an 80% approval rating (despite, infact maybe even because, of the threat of booting them out of the euro)
That's 10:1 btw. For every golden dawn supporter in Greece there's 10 Syriza.
>>41615516
Yeah he is basically a loser who hangs out with other left wing losers who he commits vandalism with.
Really quite pathetic. He actually has delusions of him taking over his country too.
>>41615516
Only a very, very small proportion of socialists are interested in giving their own down rather than taking from the rich
>>41615537
>popularity
>Not them admitting they want to stay in the EU
Can you be anymore deluded? How popular do you think they will be when germany just tells them "no?"
>>41615516
Capitalism doesn't exist to make my life better.
It exists to accumulate capital into the hands of an oligarchy.
That's why they call it capital-ism.
>>41615586
>Best countries in the world are considered capitalist
>Doesn't make life better
>>41615582
Of course they want to stay in the EU, it would be very hard for them (for a few years at least) if they left.
But the Greek people are backing them up, they're not being bullied by the troika into looting their economy and immiserating their population for the sake of German bankers.
So I doubt even if they get kicked out of the euro they'd lose much support, they'd lose far more support if they capitulated to the demands of the oligarchs.
Your knowledge of European politics is extremely weak.
>>41615453
>After all we've had Syriza in Greece, and we've got Podemos in Spain, and there's Italy, Ireland, Slovenia, Croatia, Cyprus, Scotland, Portugal
In all of the above, they can only get a mandate if they pursue a capitalist welfare state, not a worker's revolution.
>>41615537
>>41615582
Also keep in mind (because you are a idiot)
that golden dawn is a outlawed party and had the lowest swing of any greek party.
When your cuck buddies let that country sink further into third world sinkhole then golden dawn will take power (deep down you know this)
>>41615586
You know not everything is a huge conspiracy where the 20 richest people in the world get together and jerk eachother off and say "how can we fuck the common man today?" People who ARENT lazy pieces of shit actually make something of themselves I.E. Small businesses, sole proprietorships, and even people who make a better than average job.
>>41614004
You are nothing more than a mindless kike robot zombie.
I hope you get AIDS from your boyfriend Tyrone Magoomba you buttfucking faggot.
>>41615626
This is true that's ok, short-term demands aren't the same thing as long-term strategy.
I'm quite happy to vote for a party that will dispense with neo-liberalism in favour of a welfare state in the short term. We can build on that to more radical demands further down the line.
>>41615636
>When your cuck buddies let that country sink further into third world sinkhole then golden dawn will take power (deep down you know this)
Golden Dawn's not a party that has the mass appeal to take power itself - the best they could hope for is to be the boot-boys for a New Democracy govt imposed by the EU and/or military coup.
>>41615623
>So I doubt even if they get kicked out of the euro they'd lose much support, they'd lose far more support if they capitulated to the demands of the oligarchs.
>I doubt if the only entity that is keeping greece in order with effect their popularity
>Implying it isn't a lose lose
>Implying greece isn't going to have to pay debts or leave
>Implying syriza wont get on their knees when the time comes
They already met with the bankers you hate so much everyday begging them not to downgrade the country. Yeah a former commie party is having a honey moon face, but the funny part is their long term aspects are grim to say the least.
>Your knowledge of European politics is extremely weak.
Look who is talking.
>>41615643
Ah the old "mom and pop store" fairytale about capitalism.
The Greeks work longer hours and have less holidays than the Germans. Hows that working out for them?
If you own enough capital you can be as lazy as you like and still recieve an income based on what you own, not how hard you work.
>local underpass was renovated by the town
>it wasn't complete, but it looked much better how it was before
>clean walls, new lighting etc
>until the antifa came, and the whole underpass was covered with graffiti and tags
They are at the same level as the generic, uneducated vandal scum.
I'm not saying that there aren't people who spraypaint swastikas on walls. They aren't a bit better than the other.
>>41615677
It had a pretty big mass appeal being they are the only party that feeds and takes care of native greeks.
I hope you come back in a few years so I can laugh at you.
>>41615025
>>41615696
>greeks work harder then Germans
This alone should be enough to discard everything he said.
>>41615688
honey moon phase* not face
>>41615731
They do.
Longer hours, less holidays, far less lazy than the Germans (who have just about the most comprehensive welfare state and holiday rights of anyone in Europe btw)
>>41615696
If you could, would you impose Socialism upon a country that a majority of wouldn't want?
>>41615762
>Less of the general population work
>retired at the age of 55 in 2009
>10 euro min wage in 2009
I bet you think Germany just keeps getting lucky with this economic dominance and it has nothing to do with genetics.
>>41615792
getting lucky by having constant economic dominance*
>>41615696
>The old mom and pop store fairytale
except its not a fairytale. My parents grew up poor and worked hard their entire life and now they own their own business and rake in more dosh than you ever will because you're a lazy piece of shit.
>>41615797
So your pipe dreams are just never going to happen then.
>>41615792
lol
Doesn't change the fact the Greeks work much longer hours and have far less holidays than those lazy welfare-addicted Germans.
>>41615797
>>41615917
Do you identify with these people?
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319#9_November_1918:_Two_proclamations_of_a_republic
>>41615811
>My parents grew up poor and worked hard their entire life and now they own their own business and rake in more dosh than you ever will because you're a lazy piece of shit.
And Paris Hilton inherited all that money by working really hard to be born to the right parents?
I work hard every day, I have skills, capitalism isn't a morality play.
If capitalism rewarded people based on how hard they worked it wouldn't be a tiny minority of white people in the first world who own and control the vast bulk of the world's wealth y'know.
Anyway thanks for your anecdote, I'm sure you'll be able to fashion that into some really cute platitude that you can use to justify the rule of the oligarchy over the rest of humanity.
>>41615931
yup.
>>41615917
They are not lazy they are just more intelligent, they realized other nations are not just going to pay their bill unlike what Greece did. Now they can get their money back little by little (plus all those bonds)
The Germans work harder and smarter.
>>41615954
> I have skills,
what skills?
>>41615962
so you are a hypocrite, good to know.
>>41615954
>I work hard every day
>but am stupid
You need to be smart as well to succeed in society.
>>41612338
but, but nazis do the same, so it's ok...
>>41615954
>I'm sure you'll be able to fashion that into some really cute platitude that you can use to justify the rule of the oligarchy over the rest of humanity.
Well i'm worried about the U.S. mainly, but here's some facts to prove - as i said earlier- "A few white guys" don't own everything as you think.
>23 million small businesses in America that count for 54% of sales
>Small business provides 55% of jobs
>small business has provided 66% of new jobs since the 1970's
>since 1990 as big business eliminated 4 million jobs, small business added 8 million
>the number of small businesses in the U.S. has increased 49% since 1982.
Don't worry buddy, it's hard coming out of the 1920s. But what you need to realize is carnegie and rockefeller are no longer oppressing you.
https://www.sba.gov/offices/headquarters/ocpl/resources/13493
>>41615966
Side note: Greece is going to pay debts with or without the EU, and regardless of what party they vote for simply because Germany isn't a country you want as a close geo political rival
>>41616059
>"A few white guys" don't own everything as you think.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/meet-the-80-people-who-are-as-rich-as-half-the-world/
Your facts are correct but statistically insignifcant.
The 1920's was far more equal than modern capitalism btw. We're more in the realm of the 1820's these days.
Lrn2piketty
>>41615999
In what sense?
>>41615954
>being this butthurt about being poor
>>41615966
>they realized other nations are not just going to pay their bill
Germany? Paying it's debts? Are you on crack?
No other country in world has written off more of it's debt than Germany.
Learn some basic european history before comnig back here.
And they don't work as hard as the greeks.
Your original contention was that German workers are less lazy than Greeks. This is factually incorrect. So you have to supplement it with "they're more intelligent" etc etc which is a) up for debate and b) not what you originally said, is it?
Can't change the goalposts just because you're wrong.
>>41616166
Look at this moron bitch about modern capitalism's "inequality" while he types of his capitalist built computer.
Yeah it's so fucking rough now adays to live in a capitalist country.
>>41616172
you support the overthrow of a nation even if the populace did not will it so.
>>41616193
>Being this much of a slave to the oligarchy.
I forget, everyone on /pol/ is a swasbuckling capitalist and/or landed gentry.
They're a bunch of cocksuckers
>>41616201
>Your original contention was that German workers are less lazy than Greeks. This is factually incorrect.
more of the German population works so is factually correct dipshit.
>No other country in world has written off more of it's debt than Germany.
Learn some basic european history before comnig back here.
Look at this nigger bitching about muh holocaust shekels.
>>41616215
>implying that I'm poor
0/10 you're just butthurt
>>41616166
>your facts are statistically insignificant.
so you link me to some fucking clickbait article that purposely misleads the reader by saying "These 80 people are as rich as the worlds 3.6 Billion poorest people" and the majority of which are U.S. citizens.
>>41616215
>Being this much of a poor loser.
>>41616241
are not ***
>>41616209
>you support the overthrow of a nation even if the populace did not will it so.
German communists, socialists and social democrats etc had overwhelming public support.
And there was no real tradition of constitutional democracy in 1918 Germany, it's not like they could simply run for election and win that way as there weren't any viable political institutions in Germany at that time.
you also said "do you identify with them" not "do you uncritically support their every action and wish to replicate what they did in the here and now"
be more precise with your wording in future.
>>41616232
>>41616232
>Look at this nigger bitching about muh holocaust shekels.
Did the Treaty of Versailles happen before or after WW2?
This is what I mean about learning basic history before coming out with nonsensical comments such as this.
>>41616287
>France sent troops into germany to collect debts
>Cuck leftie britbong still bitching that germany hasn't paid enough
>Has to change the subject because I proved my point that because more Germans work they are a harder working people.
Just give up, I have been destroying you this whole thread.
>>41611284
They are fascist
>>41616321
Also
>comparing forced extortion of a country to not paying back a voluntary loan
Grasping at straws I see.
>>41616321
How so? By making numerous basic factual errors that any half-attentive 15 year old European schoolkid would know?
By claiming the Germans are less "lazy" than the Greeks?
By claiming the Versailles treaty and it's war debts were in response to the holocaust?
By conflating AFN and UAF in England?
Read some books, it might spare you this sort of embarassing episode in future
>Books are a Jewish plot to confuse and demoralise the noble Aryan man! Pay no attention to their book-lies brother! Hail Odin etc etc
>>41616356
>forced extortion of a country
Sounds like Greece to me.
But remember - German's writing off their debts unilaterally = perfectly fine
Greeks doing the same = not fine
Anyone who see's a double standard here is obviously some Hasbara shill, right?
pmsl you've been very entertaining thank you for your time.
>>41616383
>How so? By making numerous basic factual errors that any half-attentive 15 year old European schoolkid would know?
>
By claiming the Germans are less "lazy" than the Greeks?
More germans work don't they?
>By claiming the Versailles treaty and it's war debts were in response to the holocaust?
If you go back and read the thread you were not specific, germany acquired debt as a result of both world wars, strange how pathetic your "gotcha" questions are
>
By conflating AFN and UAF in England?
Both are defined as anti fascist
Get rekt
>>41616410
>Greece
>extortion
lol oh yeah because germany put a gun to their heads and told them to live beyond their nations means. You realize everybody in this thread thinks you are moron right?
>>41616426
>How so? By making numerous basic factual errors that any half-attentive 15 year old European schoolkid would know?
meant to write "Yet I know more then you"
>>41616267
>German communists, socialists and social democrats etc had overwhelming public support.
>it's not like they could simply run for election and win
But they had elections after WW1?
And they(SPD) won with a majority vote, KEK you can't even fact check and just guess and throw your opinion around.
>you also said "do you identify with them"
Yes and you should read carefully when you decide to reply, not my fault you are lacking in comprehension.
What is antifa's solution to dealing with Asian grooming/sex gangs in the UK?
Does antifa actually try to do stuff to clean up their communities or do they not care if it isn't political?
I mean: you guys like violence and some of these guys who are molesting kids would be pretty deserving victims and it would look good in the eyes of the community if you protected children.
>>41616636
If they are not white people doing things they perceive as evil they do not care.
>>41616649
I guess they can just wait until one of their sisters or brothers gets diddled by one of these fuckers then.
>>41614460
>socialism dindu nuthin
>>41616636
Stop making cuts to childrens protective services might be a good place to start.
Denounce and embarass the Labour party for not being tougher on it.
Tough custodial sentences for those who commit these crimes, punishments for police who refuse to follow-up on reports of abuse.
Challenge chauvinism and violence against women that takes within Muslim communities by working Muslims who've been speaking out against it for years (something that Labour has failed to do, for a number of complex reasons too boring to get into here)
That's just a few ideas off the top of my head.
>>41615979
Professional shitposting
>>41616636
>I mean: you guys like violence and some of these guys who are molesting kids would be pretty deserving victims and it would look good in the eyes of the community if you protected children.
I've been arguing this for years btw, and so do AFN and Antifa groups. UAF on the other hand has loads of political connections to dodgy Muslim groups so they've got absolutely no policy on it at all. This is why UAF are shit.
If you haven't got a policy to deal with Islamo-fascism as well traditional european fascism then you're not to be taken seriously as an anti-fascist.
Unfortunately the more PC liberal identity politics lot would regard it as racist, but they're fucking idiots, they don't live in these communities they don't know what goes on or how to build support in places like Rotherham, so they can be quite easily sidelined in this instance.
>>41616869
>Challenge chauvinism
lol yeah because nationalism is what caused this
Get a load of this retarded cuck.
>>41616906
Also
>implying Muslims and arabs will ever drop their religious and ethnic pride.
>>41616869
Those are pretty reasonable answers so good on you. Are they more what you believe or what your organization stands for or both?
I particularly like:
>punishments for police who refuse to follow-up on reports of abuse
And I think I like:
>working with Muslims who've been speaking out against it for years
But are we talking about Muslims who are specifically speaking out against organized sexual abuse rings?
>>41616931
>>41616906
Or hell
>Implying the left or even 30% of antifa are going to go against mudslimes pride and loyalty
over here they love child porn and ulster unionism
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Anti-Fascist_Action_Ireland
>>41616966
>Those are pretty reasonable answers so good on you. Are they more what you believe or what your organization stands for or both?
I'm speaking for myself here but my beliefs are pretty common amongst the anti-fascists I know and organise with. UAF's position on this is nothing short of cowardice.
>>41616966
>But are we talking about Muslims who are specifically speaking out against organized sexual abuse rings?
Yes, there are Muslims who spent years trying to get the police in Rotherham and the local Labour council to deal with the issue, and they were sidelined and ignored for a number of reasons (mostly to do with the Labour party trying to win favour of Muslim "community leaders" who didn't want to deal with this problem because of the embarassment it would cause them) so we should be willing to work with them to stop the sort of cover-ups.
Part of the problem also comes with the religious nature of these "community organisations" that Labour uses in these areas. Although they're what we'd call "moderate muslims" they're also people who are hopeless out of touch and unable to deal with issues of sexuality, or womens rights, and so on.
The people committing these crimes weren't religious people, as an Ex-Muslim friend of mine and anti-fascist puts it "you'd be more likely to meet these people in the pub getting drunk chasing girls on a friday night than at the Mosque" so these religious leaders don't have a clue about what was going on outside of their Mosques and Masjids, putting them in a very bad position to deal with it.
The other problem is with criminal prostitution gangs using taxi companies as front organisations to traffik young women to their clients, most of whom are white british btw, which again isn't something your local imam or whatever knows much about.
There's a lot of very complex issues at work here that a lot of the nationalist types on here failed to understand cos they don't live in this area.
>>41617109
>Yes, there are Muslims who spent years trying to get the police in Rotherham and the local Labour council to deal with the issue, and they were sidelined
Bullshit
>>41617059
Good to know they are scum all over though.
>>41617137
How the fuck would you know? I live here, you don't.
>>41617163
Because I actually read unlike you. Like how you tried to deny the UAF are anti fascist.
You just don't know shit.
>>41617187
Also I have been following the story since the BNP (the ones you harass) banged on about it and no one took them seriously.
If we had it your way those girls would still be getting raped.
>>41617187
>Like how you tried to deny the UAF are anti fascist.
What?
UAF are anti-fascist, they're just shit at it.
Antifa is the colloqueal name in England for non-UAF and non party affiliated anti-fascists. In this country the largest non-UAF anti-fascist organisation are the semi-anarchist Anti-Fascist Network.
You know fuck all. This is stuff I'm involved with day in, day out, and I know it in intimate detail.
>>41617227
Yes we know you are antifa worm that doesn't make you not ignorant.
>>41617227
>>41614095
>Antifa
>UAF
>>41614174
>You realize UAF are antifa?
No they aren't.
>>41617204
>Also I have been following the story since the BNP (the ones you harass) banged on about it and no one took them seriously.
The thing about the BNP is they have a long track record in making these things up. They've claimed "muslim rape gangs" in practically every City in Britain since the 1980's, and practically all of them turned out to be total bullshit.
And btw it's not just me that hates the BNP, the BNP is universally hated in Britain (precisely because of their record on issues like this, their craven opportunism, their lack of credibility which they built up over decades by simply making stuff up to boost their own publicity) It was hardly a surprise that no-one took them seriously on this.
No-one takes them seriously anyway they're a failed party now. We crushed the BNP.
>>41617272
>they just make stuff up xD
God knows how many more little girls are getting raped right now because of fools like you.
>>41617137
I feel like he knows what he's talking about anon. The very point that he's trying to make is that these people aren't getting the kind of voice that they should have which seems kind of supported by your reaction.
>>41617109
Well, I certainly hope that these people are given a bigger platform in the future to try and reform their communities. It seems insane that no one has given them more of an opportunity to speak but the political world is crazy enough that the people who are on point are so often the ones who are marginalized so I can see it.
So here's another question: how come an approach that borders on vigilantism in regards to political opponents is well accepted in your ranks but not a similar approach to community policing and welfare?
You guys can possibly trust the actual police since you have lots of problems with them. I thought your suggestion to punish police who didn't do their jobs was astute since it does seem that a lack of enforcement is at work in these cases but politicians rarely have the balls to actually speak out in favor of sanctions against police.
>>41617270
>>41617227
Antifa Is a international abbreviation name for anti fascist
>>41617351
Yes I was just brining his posts he made earlier to plain view.
>>41617380
Sorry the intent of that post was lost on me. I appreciate it though.
>>41617337
>So here's another question: how come an approach that borders on vigilantism in regards to political opponents is well accepted in your ranks but not a similar approach to community policing and welfare?
I don't have a problem with community policing outside the reach of the liberal state, but to do that you need a much higher degree of support than we currently have, otherwise you just end up as a gang of thugs bullying people around. Sometimes groups have done work around keeping heroin dealers off the council estates and forcing loan-sharks to leave people alone, but to suddenly take it upon yourself to become the police force in an area without the full consent of the people living there is a bad idea and not one I support.
As for community welfare stuff, well actually we already do a lot of that stuff anyway, that's where our support comes from. Helping poor people pay the bills, anti-bailiff campaigns to stop evictions, anti bedroom tax stuff, helping organise foodbanks, organisings lifts to school for the kids in deprived areas. This is the sort of bread-and-butter political work that's not glamorous that the British far-right has absolutely no interest in.
Community welfare is one of the cornerstones of democratic socialism for like 200 years, since the funeral societies and co-ops in the early 19th century.
As for the police themselves, their attitude was one of "these are just the slags off the council estate, no-one cares what they think" which was actually made clear in the government inquiry, so there's a class and a gender element to this, which the far-right pays no attention to, which must be addressed if we're to make sure it doesn't go on in the future.
>>41617491
>I don't have a problem with community policing outside the reach of the liberal state, but to do that you need a much higher degree of support than we currently have, otherwise you just end up as a gang of thugs bullying people around. Sometimes groups have done work around keeping heroin dealers off the council estates and forcing loan-sharks to leave people alone, but to suddenly take it upon yourself to become the police force in an area without the full consent of the people living there is a bad idea and not one I support.
>Said the antifa
Mother of irony
>>41617491
Do you stand against white pride?
>>41617528
duh
>>41617513
I don't have a problem with bullying the neo-fascist far-right. It's the only language they understand.
Bullying ordinary working-class members of the community is totally out of order.
The difference is I respect my own community, I respect the rights of working-class people to not be scared in their homes. I don't feel the same way in regards to fascists. They've forfeited their right to a life without fear when they decided to push their disgusting hateful and dead-end ideology onto people.
>>41617528
No I think "white pride" is a stupid concept, not least because "white" is a skin colour not a specific ethnicity (this is a very American concept quite alien to traditional European nationalism btw) and even if it was, ethno-nationalism is a stupid ideology that belongs in the 19th century. There's not even much of a material basis for it any more, even less in the future.
Most of the people who are into this "white pride" stuff are just the flip-side of the SJW lot, people lost in a post-ideological world where they formulate an identity for themselves based on these ideas, and turn them into a type of reactionary far-right identity politics (as a reaction to post-marxist liberal identity politics, what you people call Social Justice Warriors)
>>41617569
>The difference is I respect my own community
You don't, You only care about your community as long as they support the "right" ideas.
For instance a march of natives against mass immigration would be consider neo fascist far right by you and your antifa buddies.
I consider their ideology to be better and You have forfeited your right to a life without fear when you decided to push their disgusting hateful and dead-end ideology onto people.
>>41617569
>describes fascism as a dead end ideology
>is a communist
>>41617641
Look we all established that he is a idiot, no need to rub it in his face.
>>41617491
>As for community welfare stuff, well actually we already do a lot of that stuff anyway, that's where our support comes from. Helping poor people pay the bills, anti-bailiff campaigns to stop evictions, anti bedroom tax stuff, helping organise foodbanks, organisings lifts to school for the kids in deprived areas.
That's very interesting because I feel like these are things that lots of people on /pol/ would agree with.
So what if a group you were opposed to politically like Identarians or something started to do all sorts of stuff like that in the community. Would you be willing to work with anyone that was involved in those types of welfarist endeavors?
>>41617629
>For instance a march of natives against mass immigration would be consider neo fascist far right by you and your antifa buddies.
Depends, usually the anti-immigration stuff is just the thin end of a very fascist wedge, and I can't remember the last time I saw an "anti-immigration" march which wasn't in some way organised by well-known players in the British far-right scene (for example the founders of the EDL were all from the blood and soil wing of the BNP with a long history of ultra-nationalist activism behind them)
And I said to you before, I don't actually support totally open borders under capitalism, because that's a policy which strengthens boses and undermines workers, but I have no problem with the principle of free movement only that free movement has to be done in a way that doesn't harm or undercut wages and so on.
On the plus side though I do quite like the fact that European and Western countries are being multi-ethnic and the idea of the nation-states being homogenous political units based on a shared ethnicity and so on is coming to and end, that's something that'll work to our advantage in years to come.
>>41617628
Whilst I agree with some of your sentiment would that also mean you STAND AGAINST Black Nationalism, pan-Africanism and Uyoku dantai(Japanese nationalism)
>>41617705
Look you can beat around the bush , but don't pretend you are there to serve the community unless they serve your political desires.
>>41617661
>That's very interesting because I feel like these are things that lots of people on /pol/ would agree with.
Take a look at the thread mate, they're instinctively hostile to anyone working-class and organised, there's nothing they hate to see more than the working-class being confident and organised.
Take a look at some of the shilling for the wonders of capitalism earlier on in the thread, it's no co-incidence than when push comes to shove the fascists take the side of the bosses over the workers. After all, that's exactly what they did back in the 30's.
>>41617661
>So what if a group you were opposed to politically like Identarians or something started to do all sorts of stuff like that in the community. Would you be willing to work with anyone that was involved in those types of welfarist endeavors?
It doesn't come up precisely because they hold working-class people in contempt, they believe they're poor because they chose to be poor not because capitalism has any inherent faults in it, that capitalism produces these kinds of monstrous inequalities.
I wouldn't be willing to work with them no, but what's important isn't whether I'd work with them, but whether the people who live here would be willing to work with them and so on. Which I suspect would be a flat no.
>>41617705
>
On the plus side though I do quite like the fact that European and Western countries are being multi-ethnic and the idea of the nation-states being homogenous political units based on a shared ethnicity and so on is coming to and end, that's something that'll work to our advantage in years to come.
It's funny how much you enjoy the idea of that . Because when I think of the best and safest places in the UK I think London and Birmingham... OH WAIT
>>41617705
>On the plus side though I do quite like the fact that European and Western countries are being multi-ethnic and the idea of the nation-states being homogenous political units based on a shared ethnicity and so on is coming to and end, that's something that'll work to our advantage in years to come.
So you think creating ethnic enclaves within countries is a good thing and would further your own goals.
Whilst the rest of the world remains largely Homogeneous and undivided.
>>41617712
Yup, Black Nationalism, Han Supremecism, all these things are reactionary too. If you want to find double standards on these issues you'd be better of directing your gaze towards the American tumblr-liberals and not towards me.
>>41617810
All things you won't be tackling. Meanwhile you just want whites to be mongrels and crime to skyrocket.
>>41617810
Then you should also shun islam(Arabic Imperialism) then too right?
>>41617740
>Look you can beat around the bush , but don't pretend you are there to serve the community unless they serve your political desires.
My political desires are to see working-class people well organised, confident in their ability to change the world, not passively accepting their lot, not demoralised, and so on. Funnily enough most working-class people agree with us on this, which is even though they're not socialists in most cases (mind you socialism has very strongly embedded roots in these sorts of English working class communities, it's not a dirty word here) they're happy to work alongside us and for us to be there.
I want to see my community in a place of dignity, not riddled by fear and subservient. When you have a lot of poverty and unemployment (which has been the norm here post-Thatcher) people often just try to get their heads down and survive one day at a time. That's a very destructive thing. It's when the social fabric of a community breaks down that scumbags who do things like child sex exploitation can happen. A strong and confident working-class community is the best defence against such terrible things happening, and so working to help build one is the most constructive and practical way to stop these sorts of terrible crimes happening again.
>>41617798
>So you think creating ethnic enclaves within countries is a good thing and would further your own goals.
No I don't I'm not in favour of enclaves of that type at all. They do harm to communities, they divide up working-class communities on sectarian lines, and weaken us in the process.
A big part of what we do is to try and overcome those divisions so that we can't be victims of divide and rule bullshit.
>>41617848
Abso-fucking-lutely.
And I wouldn't descrive Islam as "Arabic Imperialism" after all the Ottoman empire Caliphates were Turkish imperialism, not Arabic.
But yes there's a definite Imperialist streak in Islam that's got to be opposed (although these are very very complex issues that would require more time than I'm willing to spend atm to discuss)
>>41617792
London and Birmingham also have no division among race and religion either despite being diverse for over a hundred years. Oh well whatever helps muh antifa ass sleeep at night
>>41617924
>I want to see my community in a place of dignity
>Getting beheaded in the streets is dignity
>1,700 girls getting raped is dignity
Get a load of this cuck.
>>41617782
>there's nothing they hate to see more than the working-class being confident and organised
I don't know, I feel like some of them may just be lacking in experience or perhaps haven't considered some of the issues to the degree that you have.
Consider that all the things that you've described doing in the community based on your earlier post are also well in line with Christian social teachings. A lot of /pol/lacks are really into the importance of Christianity and I think the things you've described are pretty much in line with Christ's teachings.
Also: I don't know enough about what I'm talking about to delve into the specifics of it but I've seen some fairly spirited exchanges about the potential role of trade unions and other non-public unions in a libertarian state on this board.
>>41617953
>But yes there's a definite Imperialist streak in Islam that's got to be opposed (although these are very very complex issues that would require more time than I'm willing to spend atm to discuss)
More like
>im too commie whipped to speak out against the evil that is islam.
>>41617969
>I don't know, I feel like some of them may just be lacking in experience or perhaps haven't considered some of the issues to the degree that you have.
That's probably true to be fair, I've spent a lot of time in a very hands-on way dealing with these issues, they're often just looking at it from an outsiders perspective, they've not been forced into a position where they have to think about these things in-depth as part of their everyday life. These aren't academic exercises, this is real-life stuff for me.
>>41617953
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p-kfiRlzYo
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY
The first thirty seconds of the second video apply to you especially.
>Abso-fucking-lutely.
good luck stemming enclaves then bud.
Pro-tip: you will make enemies doing this shit(If you had the balls to even do it)
>>41617993
the formal Marxist position on Islam is that it's a tool of class rule designed to buttress the state, that must be destroyed.
Modern Islamism and Jihadism started it's life in the 50's and 60's in Egypt as an avowedly anti-communist political movement (look into the work of Sayid Qutb for instance for the best example of this)
The fact these Islamists were often supported by the West in places like Yemen and Afghanistan as a bulwark against communism is a big reason why it's such a problem today.
>>41618083
>Modern Islamism and Jihadism started it's life in the 50's and 60's
More ignorance
>>41617924
>A big part of what we do is to try and overcome those divisions so that we can't be victims of divide and rule bullshit
anon you are articulate and socially aware, I can see that from your posts. I don't think I'm really talking to the average antifa person here so it's not fair to base your answer to this on yourself.
/pol/ definitely portrays antifa as being riddled with identity politics and other divisive distractions pretty much thrust on us by elites to divide us. Would you have me believe that this is not the case?
>>41618041
>Pro-tip: you will make enemies doing this shit(If you had the balls to even do it)
Of course. The radical muslims here (and tbh there's not that many of them) hate us more than the EDL.
They rely on communities being alienated and divided, and when they see us offering help to Muslim and Non-muslim equally, when they see us breaking down these barriers, they see it as a real threat to their own ambitions.
But they're really really shit, you gotta understand they're a laughing stock. You ever seen that film "Four Lions" set in Sheffield? That's very close to the reality.
having said that just because they're pathetic, and just because they're small in number, doesn't mean they're not dangerous.
Best way of dealing with them is to have good contacts in the muslims areas who can keep you up-to-date with what's going on, and how they operate etc.
Although I don't generally like relying on the state to do our communities work for us, I have no problem with seeing these fuckers banged up in jail and punished. I hold them in the exact same sort of contempt as fascists tbh.
>>41618033
>These aren't academic exercises, this is real-life stuff for me
I can definitely tell. We can go on and on splitting hairs about ideological stuff but I noticed that your proposed solutions to real problems that can be pinned down were pretty no nonsense, common sense stuff. Which is the kind of thinking that one cultivates when one actually has to put things into action.
>>41618176
>Small number
>>41618125
>/pol/ definitely portrays antifa as being riddled with identity politics and other divisive distractions pretty much thrust on us by elites to divide us. Would you have me believe that this is not the case?
Depends where you are.
Out here in the working-class areas of Northern England that sort of American college-campus liberalism really has no sort of base, it's not really filtered down to these areas yet. It exists in the big university cities, but to a lesser extent than it exists in the USA.
Appreciate the compliment, it's never wise to take /pol/'s judgment on these issues at face-value, /pol/'s a good place for a laugh but not a great place to find accurate information.
>>41618221
More accurate then you atleast.
>>41618176
>You ever seen that film "Four Lions" set in Sheffield? That's very close to the reality.
No Mussie does that shit, I refuse to believe it.
>I hold them in the exact same sort of contempt as fascists tbh.
Acta non verba
>>41618221
> /pol/'s a good place for a laugh but not a great place to find accurate information.
Ever been in a /pol/ was right thread?
I'll give you a quick summary
>/pol/ WAS RIGHT HABBENG NOW
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