You're not supposed to survive on minimum wage. The jobs that pay minimum wage are for fucking YOUNG TEENAGERS who are just starting to work. Those jobs are so you can get job experience and MOVE THE FUCK ON TO A BETTER JOB! You're not supposed to stay at a minimum wage job. It's sole purpose is to give you job experience and some spending cash.
>>37683703
But what if every company is taking it back to the minimum wage because of the fucked up rules that have bigger holes in them than sasha greys anus,.
>>37683783
Explain.
Technology is also supposed to make it so that people have to work less, and yet all we see is the push for people (women) to work more. Women got their liberation, they're out into the workforce, and now there aren't enough jobs to go around, meaning that so many people are taking the menial minimum wage jobs away from teens.
>to get a better job need a degree
>100k in debt
>walton heirs worth as much as 185 million americans put together
>But it;s the poor people fucking this country over right
>minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation
>muh bootstraps
You're the same faggot who would've called people lazy for not wanting a 7 day work week 100 years ago. If you're blaming the poor, you;re probably being manipulated by the rich.
>>37683703
This theory falls apart when there are no jobs to move on TO.
>>37684081
Also a false choice, raising the minimum wage, wouldn't make me want to work a shitty job the rest of my life, all it would do is make it so I could acutally afford to survive without 3 fucking jobs.
>>37684081
You oversaturated the job market with workers (read: women). What the FUCK did you think was going to happen?
yeah they are suppoed to be for teenagers.
but they arent anymore. many people have to live on these shit jobs.
If you raise the minimum wage, sure some people will benefit from it, but a lot will suffer. Imagine if you will a small business. It has 5 employees making minimum wage. Now that minimum wage goes up and the small business can not afford to keep all 5 people. They need to fire 2 people. 2 people just lost their jobs. But those other 3 are better off right? Is it worth it?
Big businesses like McDonalds will be fine but the smaller businesses may suffer.
>>37684229
I didn't do shit, I;m poor as fuck, hence my point, poor people have no say in anything.
>>37683703
>can't survive on minimum wage
>billions of people throughout the world surviving on 2 dollars a day
I don't believe you
lol no. The minimum wage is for the lower classes, the poorly educated, the idiotic, the retarded, the foolish etc by no means is it for just teenagers and you are severely out of step with society to say so.
>>37684332
Small business is already fucked, so many laws and taxes are already screwing them over, it could be the final nail in the coffin, but most employers are big business nowadays anyway. Also, small business will find away, I worked for a small business for a bit, and they;d probably keep certain emplyees and jsut pay under the table.
>>37684409
you moron, those people live in shitholes where food is extremely cheap.
6/10 troll attempt.
>>37684431
>Small business is already fucked, so many laws and taxes are already screwing them over,
Are you an American? Because trust me, no matter how bad it is for you guys: it's worse in Europe. Starting your own business is a fucking nightmare. T-thanks EU!
>>37684409
2 dollars in america will get you a kit kat bar, try surviving on that. I'm sure you can survive on that.
>>37684229
>oversaturated the job market with workers
>can't possibly be because there is no industry in this country anymore due to excessive regulations and taxes, there's just too many people working!
>>37684409
You are a fucking retard.
Do you think the cost for food, rent etc. is the same in a western country and a third world shithole?
I'm not good enough to do anything else
>>37684466
>food extremely cheap
>implying you can't eat on 10 dollars an hour in america
nice try commie
>>37683703
I'd agree with you. However most people have to rely on minimum wage jobs now because that's all they can get. You can't simply get up and "move onto a better job" like that anymore. Just look at the age range of the people in minimum wage jobs, it goes from teenagers right through to 40+ because unfortunately, these jobs ARE our careers now
>>37684409
this , they just need to move into shacks down by the river . think if they how zero cost for housing .
The luddites were right, 47% of work in the US is at a severe risk of automation in the next couple of decades, we're witnessing the final death cries of capitalism. I wouldn't worry about old people working minimum wage jobs, because soon enough there won't be any jobs.
>>37683703
I don't disagree.
People complain about there being "no better jobs", to go on to, when there absolutely are. Maybe you're not a good worker or not willing to do the extra things that get you noticed in a company. Another thing could be you're too naive to understand "office politics" or unwilling to.
Not that's anything wrong with not wanting or being able to do these things, but you can't then expect to get a better paying job.
People who are motivated to do better in life almost without exception do. Life rewards winners, most people aren't even trying, let alone winning.
OR
Start your own business if you can't be fucked with all that. You'll probably be happier.
Then the problem we have is that it's too expensive to get qualified for anything better than minimum wage.
>>37684503
>food, rent
>implying food costs more than 10 dollars a day
>implying you need to pay rent in a two bathroom new york city apartment to "survive"
>>37683703
Where are all the jobs available for the millions of people at there in their 20s and 30s who want to make more than $10 an hour? What about the unemployed who can't even find a minimum wage job? That's where your statement falls apart.
>You're not supposed to survive on minimum wage.
Too bad. Times have changed where more people do, in fact, have to survive off of it.
Deal with it.
>>37683908
Well, sasha grey is a very well known pornstar, and according to pornhub, anal is one of the top 10 most searched keywords. So with this you can expect her anal cavity to be a bit bigger than the average one, specially since she likes buttplugs so much
>>37684526
People can be retarded fuck ups at any age.
>>37684559
Yeah, because I'm sure working hard at a factory or a mcdicks will get you promoted.
>>37684553
The luddites were WRONG. Automation is good.
They're only RIGHT in so far as the powers that be will insist on maintaining the current system of mandatory jobs long after it's obsolete (which is right around now in the western world). Automation is only bad when you're expected to work anyway, when everything you need to live is made by a handful of people.
>>37684553
Ebola-chan is going to be the Lasting Conclusion of the Unemployment Quandry. No need to end capitalism because of structural unemployment when half of the world workforce is dead of Ebola :D:D:D
It's strange that even homeless people aren't dying of starvation in this country yet everyone claims that you can't "survive" on minimum wage.
>>37684598
I think you're the one dealing with it poorfag
>>37684584
A bag of rice and a tin shack =/= living.
If you put people into those conditions en masse in an industrialized country with a large middle-class, who observably can afford commodities that these people couldn't even dream of, then they would literally rise up and eat the rich.
So please do, I'll be there with my knife and fork.
>>37683703
You can survive on minimum wage. What you can't do is raise a family on minimum wage.
>>37684695
Dude that's pretty much what it's already like in China and India, there are hundreds of millions of people in the middle class and hundreds of millions in poverty
>>37684553
>yfw mcdicks announced they're rolling out a "technological game changer" at the start of 2015
>Appleby's is replacing waiters with tablets
Sooner than you think
Wages are based on supply. If minimum wage employees all move to different positions wages will fall in those industries. The supply of teenage labour can't fill all positions in specific sectors.
>>37684688
That's because the government pays for all their shit, while poor workers actually ahve to pay for our own shit, it's almost better to just be a bum if your already on the bottom of the totem pole, but some of us have more respect for ourselves that that.
>>37684695
>not living without muh iphone
Be more honest with your arguments then. Say you can't live a middle class lifestyle on minimum wage instead of saying you can't "survive" on it.
>>37684526
>>37684598
This.
>>37684625
You seem to ignore the fact that people HAVE to rely on these jobs now. I work in a retail store with people who used to be well paid, but now have to work in this shit hole.
You think we like working in these shit jobs? You think we're just settling for this shit and just want someone to blame? I work my arse off in my job, I probably do more shit than all the people in my job combined, that doesn't change the fact that the next rung of the ladder is being pulled further away from me
>>37684695
I think he meant be frugal, not living live a prisoner.
>>37683703
Boo hoo we don't live in a perfect world.
>>37684559
There are not enough high-paying positions on earth for even 10% of the global population.
>there absolutely are
Based on what? Your personal experience? Anecdotal evidence is bullshit bro.
>>37684688
If you're going into debt to survive, then you can't survive on your income. This is how poor people stay poor, they have to go into debt to afford essentials, and so they pay more for essentials than middle class people. This is why welfare is almost enough to survive, and no more; not to 'encourage' people to get work, they already want work, but they make sure they borrow money.
>40 hour a week jobs paying minimum wage
>for teenagers in highschool
>being this fucking stupid
mild kek
>>37684688
Not strange when you consider "survive" is code for "buy this years MacBook pro"
>>37684749
>better to be a bum
Then go be a bum. No it's not better to be a bum, you fucking dishonest liberals just won't admit how good you have it living on minimum wage because someone else can live better than you.
>>37684768
>Boo hoo we don't live in a perfect world.
Some people think it's possible to do better than we are right now.
Boo hoo we don't live in a perfect world also applies if your house is robbed. Are you saying you'd just ignore it if it did happen?
>>37684480
>can't open shop before government designated time
>doesn't matter if it's a whore crack house bar for gay pedophiles or a quaint flower store
>can't stay open after government designated time
God bless the queen
God bless ameriga
>>37684482
It will also get you about 5 pounds of rice.
>>37684813
Thanks, cultural capitalism.
>>37684787
You don't need to go into debt to "survive". See the lies just keep coming and coming. You don't need to go into debt unless you want muh iphone, muh flatscreen, muh restaurants, muh what everyone else has
>>37684855
I live in a gethoo neighborhood, the bums here literally collect welfare money, pool it together, then go to beg for food, so they can spend all the government cheese on drugs. Your right, that's how I should live my life.
>>37684798
>40 hours a week
Kek, not anymore...obamacare discourages it
>>37684883
Stop making sense! It's a MW pity party in here!
>>37683703
MINIMUM WAGE JOBS AREN'T "FOR" ANYONE.
NO ONE SAID," HEY, ALL THESE TEENAGERS NEED JOBS, I'M GONNA INVENT MCDONALDS!"
>>37684913
Then the answer is to allow people to repudiate these debts, so the people who lend them will think twice next time.
>>37684332
Bitch fucking please, when was the last time you worked at a "small" business? I have worked at three "Mom & Pop" shops, and they were ALL owned by some of the richest fucks I have ever seen. I quit my last job because the guy refused to give me a raise from fucking minimum after working there year, having never missed a fucking day and constantly covering shifts for people. I saw the numbers too and knew for fact this dude was literally making hundreds upon thousands while we were making Jack shit.
>>37684764
If you didn't like your job you'd get a new one. If there are no "good" jobs in your area you'd move to find a "good" job. It's not my fault you've settled for a minimum wage job in your hometown.
>>37684626
It will, shitlick. Get your head out of your ass and work harder and work more hours and maybe you'll get one yourself. Ever notice how in movies there is a trope about the husband who's always knee deep in work and barely has time for his kids and wife? that is EVERY successful person, because it's only by busting your hump can you fucking make something of yourself. Name one person, with citations, that wasn't born from money who got from poor schlub to moderately successful by just being average. I dare you.
>>37684746
wages are actually based on marginal product of labor (i.e. how much output is gained from adding one worker).
the demand for labor is actually a derived demand for output
>>37684883
Faggot, I don't have an iphone, or any phone, and alreaddy buy all my clothes from a thrift shop, You guys honestly expect people to live like their from the 1500's rather than just have the minimum wage keep up with inflation. people should not have to make such sacrifices just to fuckign scrape by.
>>37684858
Yeah but OP isn't admonishing the system of house robbing because robbers don't move on to convenience stores and then banks.
OP is trying to make wealth sound like a vending machine where you insert "hard work" coins and get "wealth" candy. Hard work in, wealth out. It's not even close to that simple.
>>37684976
>people on min wage being able to afford to move to a brand new city with no kind of support structure
>>37684976
When you're living paycheck to paycheck you don't have money to move.
To move, you need to at least set aside enough money to get transportation(unless your car can make the trip), get a place to stay(Unless family or friends will let you stay), and then you have to be able to find a job, too.
>>37684976
Right, because the good jobs in another town are rejecting people already in that town because the job is just waiting for me, not them
>>37685009
>people should not have to make such sacrifices just to fuckign scrape by
Daily reminder
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/29436452/
80% of people will live in poverty in squatter camps and slums.
Have you ever seen pictures of Port-au-Prince in Haiti? The vast majority of the population who are retarded niggers of course live like savages, surviving off of a mixture of Western charity, petty peddling, prostitution and drug-dealing, while the mulatto try to live it up behind massive walls and gates and stay away from the animals outside. Nobody cuts them a welfare check because a) there are too many of them, and b) who likes wasting their money?
That's what will happen in the West too. Just that you will be the nigger.
You might say, "Oh but that could never happen in America, there would be riots." The sun will still rise every morning anyway. Sure there will be some political instability, but for the most part the rich will stay rich and well-off. When civil war and bullshit happens, mostly it will be the animals killing each other (as always). The people with money are safe behind massive gates and walls with their own hired goons and probably a massive drone/robot army too.
The mob of impoverished poor people won't be able to successfully revolt because IRL robocop or Deathlok will murder them all.
>>37685009
>minimum wage keep up with inflation
>how about stop creating inflation with your retarded debt economics
>>37683703
Okay.
So what if there are more people than there are higher paying positions? Not everyone on 10 man team can become general managers because that would require 10 or less more outlets of that business.
Also, what is the incentive to pay an employee more when you can just pay them the minimum? This has lead to a large influx of minimum wage jobs because a smart business owner will not pay more than what he is required.
You are completely ignoring the fact that the supply of jobs is decreasing while the supply of labor is increasing.
>>37684977
No it wont, you've never worked tat these places, my moms boyfriend worked at a factory for 30 years, they fired him,and hired him back 6 months later just so they could pay him entry level wages again.
>>37685036
>Implying you can't interview for a job in a town you don't live in.
>>37684739
Mcdicks game changer is the mobile pay shit that nobody ever uses except libtards and old people trying to feel in touch with younger generations.
ITT
>My life turned out alright so everyone else is just lazy. What, "no better jobs", "you can't just get a new one like that"? I didn't experience that so it doesn't exist!
>>37685054
A low rate of inflation is necessary for a healthy economy. We have a low inflation rate. Inflation isn't the problem. It's where the capital is going that's the problem
>>37685033
>Hard work in, wealth out. It's not even close to that simple.
People believe this because it's what the most successful people in society say is happening. It's how almost every wealthy person says they made their fortunes.
>>37685036
>oh no I can't save a couple thousand dollars
>>37685095
He probably sucks at his job. No shame in it, but if he were one of the top guys they wouldn't fire him.
>>37684643
The luddites were wrong only in the short to mid term, in the first few technological revolutions the jobs destroyed by emerging tech were replaced by jobs in separate sectors. They were right in the long term, this new technological revolution is destroying jobs faster than they are being replaced.
The powers that be will never let the system collapse without a fight, this actual revolution is going to be the bloodiest event in modern history.
>>37685057
>You are completely ignoring the fact that the supply of jobs is decreasing while the supply of labor is increasing.
But much unemployment is only 6% now
If you can't find a job you're just in the wrong part of the country
Work in oil industry!
Or do a trade
Why aren't you an engineer
>these are the answers you get if you question the current economic problem
>>37684977
nigga, you need a whole paragraph to justify your life.
you need to re-evaluate
>>37685140
Hard work, back stabbing, cheating, lying are all important.
>>37685142
How?
So you're on minimum wage, you're paying off a college loan, and you need a car and an apartment close to your work or you'll be unemployed.
Saving a few thousand dollars is something lower middle class people do with some effort, it's not something poor people can do.
>>37685140
Not heard from:
The millions upon millions who tried their hardest and failed anyway
Heard from:
The tiny minority of successes
>>37685054
Again, the rich and powerful set policies, the poor literally do not effect shit, unless allowed by the rich.
>>37685142
>Earn £1000 a month on minimum wage
>Have to pay for rent, food, car, insurance, tax etc etc etc
>scraps left over
>Sure, I can just save up a few grand like that!
>>37684798
Most minimum wage jobs don't employ someone for 40 hours.They usually keep it under 30 to keep costs down so they don't have to pay for healthcare.
Fuckin libs-- making the poor even more poor
>>37685124
see?
>A low rate of inflation is necessary for a healthy economy.
>complain about minimum wage not keeping up
It it worked then it would work without you having to artificially fuck with what employers can pay their employees. It doesn't work, it never did and never will.
>>37685112
This
>>37685236
>Fuckin libs-- making the poor even more poor
As part of a program also supported by conservatives.
When is the last time you heard a conservative say they wanted to get rid of all taxes on poor people?
>>37685144
Hi, son of a corporate whore here. Dad's ultra-fucking-skilled at his job. He has made every consulting firm he has worked for in the past 20 years millions of dollars, EACH.
They STILL let him go and hire a vastly inferior immigrant because the people at the top don't give a fuck about workers and customers, only profits.
>>37685213
Move to shittier flat, sell the car, get the bus. Saved you £100 a month.
>>37685144
Your right its more likely he sucks at his job, rather than them just being greedy. of course.
>>37685095
Like the other anon said, he was probably just an underachiever. You think that working a factory automatically makes you a hard worker?
>>37685195
What?
>>37685213
>buying a car on minimum wage
Take public transportation you fagit.
>>37685240
What isn't working? Inflation or minimum wage?
minimum wage is set by government legislation, inflation is determined by economic activity. Although it's possible for minimum wage to keep up with inflation, it's not a sign of trouble that it's not.
>>37685188
One is extremely dangerous and basically forces you to move to fucking Midland' TX; literally the shittiest place in America.
The other two require schooling which requires money.
>>37685285
So now you've traded a few tens of dollars for several hours of your time. If you're planning on training up for a new job, you can forget about it.
>>37685188
>But much unemployment is only 6% now
And the the workforce is smaller than it has been in decades, despite population growth.
As a percentage of the population, less people are working than ever before.
The unemployment rate is only dropping because the universe of jobs is shrinking faster.
>>37685050
i'd buy THAT for a dollar!
>>37683703
Your country produced a lot of plebs. Now find jobs to them they can survive on. Or have your throat rightfully cut when the revolution comes.
Nothing sader than clueless despots.
>>37685307
>minimum wage is set by government legislation, inflation isn't
lol
>>37685240
Deflation is bad.
If you have debt, that debt gets bigger. When you have deflation, it also depresses wages, so existing debt continues to get worse and worse to pay off. Further, deflation shows a lack of growth, kills your currency on the world stage, and makes importing OR exporting exponentially harder.
Why do Americans think being poor and on welfare is something that is so pleasant that people who are on it are actually being spoiled, and so we have to make things EVEN HARDER on them; and yet they never voluntarily go into that situation to take advantage of it?
>>37685285
>using public transit
>getting hired
Most places in the states don't consider public transit to be reliable transportation
Unless it's a major city
>>37685197
>paying off a college loan
Why did you go to college if you're only making minimum wage?
>need a car and apartment close to work
If your housing is close to work you don't need a car. Get a $100 bicycle instead.
>>37684974
underrated post. dude knows what's up.
Owners of "small" businesses know that you use others to make you rich. that's the whole point of owning a business. paying people a pittance to make you rich. a small business may be technically a small business by employee amounts but the financial cutoff for "small" is outrageously high.
>>37685271
>>37685285
But the places that have pubic transportation typically have a higher cost of living.
>>37685354
Tell me what law sets the inflation rate.
tell me what natural phenomenon changes the nominal minimum wage.
LET THEM EAT CAKE
>>37685365
>Why did you go to college if you're only making minimum wage?
Because I (this hypothetical person we're talking about) was told by everyone I ever met up to the age of eighteen that I should go and study at college, that it would be worth the investment many times over.
>If your housing is close to work you don't need a car. Get a $100 bicycle instead.
There are minimum wage jobs that require you to have a car. A lot of places demand it, so you never have any excuse for being late or absent.
>>37685410
Do you know what the federal reserve is and what it does?
>>37685367
So what's the lesson to be learned?
Start your own business.
>>37685410
The 'law' about how much currency you can print.
>>37685435
stop responding to the faggot whose entitlement and out of touch with reality resembles baby boomers
>muh min wage jubz are only teenagers
>>37685322
Your time isn't worth much if you're making minimum wage lol.
>>37685468
>Start your own business.
Go on. Tell us how you did it, starting from a position of having a useless degree, a few tens of thousands of dollars in debt, and a couple of minimum wage jobs.
>>37685450
The federal Reserve is not a legislative body. It's monetary policy is discretionary.
Further more, the federal Reserve does not set the inflation rate, it can only manipulate the inflation rate through their monetary policy.
No law sets the inflation rate, but laws set the minimum wage
>>37685468
>getting a loan with no credit
>not realizing the risk of going bankrupt is hilariously high
>>37685236
>Fuckin libs-- making the poor even more poor
>make poor people poorer
>make sure the poor stay poor and barely alive
>secure voters for life with promises of "benefits"
>all at the expensive of people worked hard to make a better life for themselves
I love politics
>>37685468
nope
it is to born/marry into wealth
staring your own business is very risky
>>37685390
Everywhere has transportation in the UK, even if it's once an hour. He said £1000, he's from the UK.
>>37685485
My time AT WORK isn't work that much. My time when not at work is worth whatever I choose to do with it. If I choose to spend four hours a day on public transport, that's four hours I'm not spending training for a better job.
>>37685503
Sell weed to get some capital.
>>37685367
>Work at local chain bakery
>Boss refuses to give us benefits
>Buys a "company" 3D printer that only he and his cousin can use a New salt water aquarium because his wife wouldn't let him "install one that big at home."
Fuck Hey Cupcake and fuck you Frank.>>37685390
>>37685470
And what law is that?
besides, increasing the money supply won't increase inflation unless people spend it and output isn't increasing. If new money is sitting in banks, it doesn't change a thing. That's why quantitative easing isn't sending us into hyperinflation
>>37685513
That would actually be a good move, if going bankrupt cleared your student debt.
>>37685503
>useless degree
Well first off, people need to stop getting these
>getting a degree in your hobby
>2014
>>37685551
WoW is not a jobs program bro. If you were spending 4 hours a day training for a better job you wouldn't be making minimum wage.
>>37685521
So it's risky, and what?
>>37683703
How can I expect to get a job flipping burgers when I don't even have my associate certificate in heated meat-body rotational dynamics?
Every other applicant has one. How can I compete?
>>37685551
>four hours on public transport
Holy shit dude live closer to work. If you have to take 2 trains and a bus to get to work you live too far away. Try finding a place that is a maximum of 5 miles away.
>>37685410
>Tell me what law sets the inflation rate.
Title 12, United States Code, Sec. 248(s)(1)
Maybe if your min wage you need a few families in one house.
The problem is people say living wage and think it means single mom and 3 kids in one house with a car and cable tv.
>>37685435
>>Because I (this hypothetical person we're talking about) was told by everyone I ever met up to the age of eighteen that I should go and study at college, that it would be worth the investment many times over.
And you believed them?
You colossal retard.
>>37685468
Absolutely. I believe everyone who knows anything about business should be striving to take advantage of capitalism. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to get into business, given that business it the whole driving force behind any economy.
If I can scrape together a massive effort and risk, but make that risk for potential incredible reward, why the fuck wouldn't I? I can just go bankrupt or kill myself if I fail horribly anyways.
>>37685596
It's only useless after the fact, in high school, everyone is telling you to get it.
>>37685598
> If you were spending 4 hours a day training for a better job you wouldn't be making minimum wage.
I don't even. How do you think people get OUT of minimum wage jobs?
>>37684927
I work 14-22 hours a week for $8.25.
Luckily my mom actually loves me so I still live with her.
>>37685615
so you might loose everything you have
not even talking about the rich folk here, if you are middle class and fail at least you can move to your parents and become a neet
if you are poor and fail you will literally starve to death
and not even talking about the other hardships, that poor people will find difficulty to get captical or get a loan etc
to give le start your own le business advice to poor is retarded basically economical canon fodding.
>>37685649
i walk 5 miles to work everyday. i get rides home, but 5 miles isnt a terrible walk.
>>37685435
Shit man I have been to interviews where they demanded to see my license AND my car. My dad refuses to believe the car thing, actually had the audacity to tell me that they wouldn't do that.>>37685450
>>37685524
>not knowing that 5 countries besides the UK call their currency "Pound"
>>37685677
Most people believe the things their parents and teachers tell them. You learn that college is a waste of money AFTER, nobody with any authority dares to tell you before.
>not fighting for Israel
>not enlisting and lying about your medical conditions
Its like you goyim dont want to make it. Being a welfare queen has only benefits.
>>37685596
>being told for 18 years of your life to major in what you want
Hell, I didn't even major in a totally useless degree and I can't find fulltime work
There's a huge disconnect between the working world and the academic world
>>37685672
Children's Services could take your kids away if they don't have separate rooms by a certain age.
>>37685711
I don't even live in America, but in a place where people AREN'T expected to have cars, and it's happened to me.
>okay, I DID borrow my dads car to make it look like I was a real person
>>37684974
So you got greedy and quit.
>>37685699
Get one of these.
>>37685730
>>37685435
What is your degree in, or what did you major in?
>>37685774
What age?
Wanking age?
>>37685573
Get a better job.
>>37685667
That just provides oversight for the federal Reserve, it even mentions the discretionary nature of the federal Reserve. That law does not set an inflation rate, because no law can. You might as well claim there's a law which sets the unemployment rate too
>>37685810
Nothing. I evaded college, and I find myself in an equivalent position to friends of mine who got degrees.
>>37685806
id rather not get smeared by the ignoramus drivers that populate the roads. i tried that before. and almost got hit everyday.
>>37685691
I work a white collar job for $12/hr and they've made everyone part time to deal with providing benefits
I almost got an interview for a full time job, but the interview time didn't work for me and they refused to push it back or to another time
>oh that time doesn't work...well good luck with the job hunt
Word for word
>>37685625
stop smoking nigger grass.
>>37685806
>>37685846
>get this
>get that
>just get this and you'll be fine
>just get that and things will be great
How? With what?
>>37685816
Depends on location. In PA boys and girls can't share a room by school age.
>>37685779
How the fuck is that greed? Good performance after 1 year is supposed to get a raise. That has been standard practice for a long, long time. He'll I have worked at places that gave raises every six and eight months.
>>37684521
that's not the minimum wage smarts.
>>37685891
Pro-tip: if you could survive unemployment without going into debt, you could negotiate a better job.
#basicincomewhen
>>37685869
So you have no education yet bitch that you aren't getting paid well? What are their degrees then?
>>37685907
Shit, son.
I come from Ireland, my family history was basically one room for children and one room for parents for the last two hundred years, up until my generation, when it was one room for the sons, one for the daughters, and one for the parents.
>>37685869
What position is that? Posting on 4chan about how useless college is?
The only difference between you and them is that you have no chance of earning more than 35k/year and they do.
>>37685188
Yet the real unemployment rate is above 12%. People are giving up on trying to find jobs.
>>37684997
Isn't that just theoretical? If there is a large supply of labor, what stops a business from paying its employees the least it can?
I'm talking about unskilled labor of course.
>>37685901
What part of the world do you live in?
I'll admit some people certainly have it shittier than others in terms of where they were born.
>>37685213
Minimum wage in UK gets you just under £900 a month so you more than minimum shithead.
>>37685956
I'm bitching that it's not possible to survive on minimum wage, not about my own situation.
I have one friend who got a degree in Chemistry, and is currently doing very well indeed. The rest have a mix of English, History, Politics, and Economics (different names for different specific ones, I don't have them off the top of my head), who have ended up between unemployed, endless interning, and entry level jobs in things other than their degree.
>>37686088
>English, History, Politics, and Economics
Well no fucking shit they're broke!
You can live at home until you get some sort of specialized training to get a real job. Fuck your greed.
>>37686088
Imagine that.
>>37685997
>If there is a large supply of labor, what stops a business from paying its employees the least it can?
The only thing that can stop a business from doing this is to make unemployment survivable. If you can just quit any job that has poor conditions or low wages, then you don't need things like minimum wage, or even much in the way of regulations, the market will take care of it.
>>37685847
The law authorizes the Federal Reserve to set the interest rate. Therefore, the law is that the interest rate is whatever the Federal Reserve says it is.
It does not have to be a codified number to be law.
>>37686146
>Well no fucking shit they're broke!
These are degrees that they were assured by everyone prior to college would be guaranteed jobs after college. Their mistake was believing the people whose job it was to give them good advice.
> Fuck your greed.
Which greed is that?
>>37685677
Okay, so my choices are:
Don't go to college to earn a degree and be a minimum wage slave colossal retard.
Or
Go to college and get in debt and be a colossal retard.
Or of course, the lottery option
Be born rich and ACTUALLY be a colossal retard cause school is for poor people
While reading this thread there's a go army.com commercial on.
That's also a viable option. Join the army for a bit. They'll pay for your education and you'll get work skills while in the army. Why the fuck not?
>>37685358
The fuck you talking about?
>>37684080
Exactly. When we went from sailing ships to the coal engine, did we still emply 200 people to pretend to row the boat? No you need a guy shoveling coal, a captain to guide the ship and an engineer to make sure things run smoothly. But we still have to abide by ancient baby boomers and their nearly as ignorant kins' thought process that everyone needs to work 40-50+ hours a week to make endsmeat. We live in a society of surplus, but not labor. There's lots to do but the whole structure needs to be reworked. Not everyone needs to go to college, not everyone needs to slave away., but there's needs to be rewards and motivation for hard/innovative work.
>>37686232
Most of the folks on this board are allergic to hard work so they'll probably fail the medical exam.
>>37686232
>army
>paying well
Lel
>>37686198
The greed that you, with zero training, deserve anything more than the bare minimum. You do not deserve anything for simply existing. I don't know what retard told them English or Politics would get a job, but they're retards as well for listening to them.
Get a STEM degree and you'll always have a job. There are jobs everywhere just not for liberal art faggots.
>>37685997
The employees themselves. When we're talking about unskilled labor, we're talking about workers who provide a marginal product of labor less than or equal to the minimum wage. If they increase their marginal product of labor (working harder, learning a skill, etc), the employer can choose to increase the pay, or the employer can choose to risk losing the employee. Since the employee has a higher MPL than the other unskilled workers, the employer does not want to lose that employee. This is how promotions happen. Business owners should not be required to pay more than an employee is worth, but if they choose to pay less than what the employee is worth, the employee will not work to his full potential, if at all.
>>37686232
Because you're giving up everything you believe in to defend Israel and obtain resources through violence. Fuck you for joining the military.
>>37684764
Why would you work retail? You can make so much money in other places you lazy ass.
Farms ALWAYS need people, I know because I work on one.
Sure it's 18 hour days but I make $1500 a week.
Work on a railroad, do roadwork.
There are more cars than ever and more things to break then ever. Be an automotive apprentice.
Oh wait, your lazy and entitled? Well then fuck off.
>>37686316
>deserve anything more than the bare minimum.
I don't understand. Surely that depends on the kind of job I'm doing. If I'm making fifty dollars worth of stuff, does it matter if I have qualifications or not?
>Get a STEM degree and you'll always have a job.
Promise? If I get one and don't get a job, I can always just discharge the debt, right?
>>37686316
>Get a STEM degree and you'll always have a job.
Kek
In the US only 55% of stem degree holders find employment
The field has been dumped into over the past 4 years
Certain ones are still pretty gud though and you are ahead of most other grads....but it's no longer guarenteed
This. Hell, even if you're not going for job experience, most minimum wage jobs nowadays hire you so you can get promoted and eventually run shit. Mcdonalds doesnt want an army of cashiers, they want an army of managers with experience with people to manage their business for them.
>>37686176
Interest rate =/= inflation rate.
we're talking about the inflation rate. The federal Reserve sets the interest rate to manipulate inflation, but nobody can set a designated inflation rate. Inflation is a natural phenomenon
>>37686388
I should clarify
Employment in their field
The rest are un/underemployed
>>37686381
Nope, you don't deserve shit. It would be nice if your boss paid you more, but why should he? You with no education or training for this job can be easily replaced.
Get yourself some marketable skills, and you'll be fine. Sitting and bitching about it won't help your broke retarded ass.
>>37686316
>Get a STEM degree and you'll always have a job
Ha.
>You do not deserve anything for simply existing.
In a Western country you damn well do. Do you deserve a lot? No, but you deserve a fair chance and since 2008 that hasn't been true at all.
>>37686354
Wrong pic oh well
>>37686444
Why would anyone try to negotiate a better deal, with that attitude?
You can continue to take whatever you are given and be thankful for it, and other people will try to get a better deal for everyone, including you.
>>37686442
The question is how narrow is "in their field"
If a math major ends up working in IT, does it count as his field since it's STEM? Or does it not count as his field since he's not comp sci?
Work experience > a college degree
remember that.
>>37686467
If you can't provide for yourself, barring injury or sickness, you're probably useless and therefor should be left on the street to starve.
>>37686316
>You do not deserve anything for simply existing
Then why didn't your parents toss you in a trash can when you were 2?
You were nothing but a useless, all-devouring piece of shit that sucked money and time from their lives for the first 3 years of your existence and then probably another 2 decades after that. You were a literal negative on their lives just for existing but you got to make it to adulthood.
So fuck off with your edgemaster Randian bullshit.
>>37686549
Relevant work experience > relevant college degree > work experience > college degree.
That big law firm you're applying for won't care how many sweaters you folded at the GAP
>>37686552
If a person can't provide for themselves, barring injury or sickness, that implies they're physically healthy and capable of work.
Apart from the small percent of people who are happy on almost enough to live a normal life, the NEET lifestyle, all of these people are already looking for work.
>>37686549
Unfortunately no one is willing to provide work experience
Companies want you to already be trained
>>37686354
Do all tractor dealer's plaster their name on them when you buy it?
That's kinda weird.
>>37686631
Depends on the field.
if it's something new, they'll expect that future employees will need training
>>37686354
>Making $1500/wk on a farm
And you're ALREADY full of shit.
>>37686552
Check out internet Ayn Rand here. Either this is a well done troll, in which case well done. But if you are sincere, I am thankful dumbfucks like you never gain any lasting political support.
So I take it during the depression 30% of the population deserved to die?
E pluribuis unum doesn't mean anything to you?
>>37686661
No my boss bought that one used and we never scraped the writing off from the last owner.
>>37685575
I save every single penny I make at my minimum wage job. At this point i'm not sure if i'll be there after the holiday season it's all in the bank. Fuck the economy. I'm keeping my damn money and not spending it.
>>37686061
I was giving a rough estimate as an example you wanker
I went to a community college for my first 2 semesters. It's A LOT cheaper and not nearly as much pressure. You have time to decide if you aren't quite sure yet. Honestly if you're a highschool student and are nervous about college, go to your local community college for your first 2 years. There is NOTHING wrong with community college regardless of what people say. They're just stupid. It'll be a great life decision. You will save a lot of money this way and will really be able to find yourself/your passion.
>>37686725
Don't put it in a savings account
You'll lose money given current inflation rates
>>37686725
>I save every single penny I make at my min wage job
Nice to live with the parents, isn't it? Not all min wage workers have that option
>>37686700
Not him, but you'd be surprised. Farmers are flushed with cash, they buy the newest shit almost every year just to get rid of it. With the increase in farmland prices, farmers have more than enough equity to afford paying someone 16/hr
>>37686543
Lel. I can negotiate a better deal than you because I have marketable skills and you don't. Why should a business owner be forced to pay you more when you don't contribute as much as me?
>>37686586
>Comparing an infant to an adult worker
I see you've ran out of arguments. Yeah, I couldn't provide for myself but my parents did, and I now assist them because I worked for it. On that note, try not having a kid until you have a job. It's pretty fucking easy.
>>37686700
I made $100 a day on a farm, but I didn't put in that many hours.
>>37686712
That's what you get when you have a population of untrained workers.
>>37686354
see
>>37685112
I work in retail because I needed a job during college and it was the only thing I could get. Now I'm stuck in it. But of course, you knew everything about me already and that's why you posted you smug fuck
>Major in accounting.
>3.6 GPA.
>Big money big 4 firms only want women and minorities.
>Stuck in some crappy accounting clerk position.
Worst thing was that I did work through college as well. It wasn't like I was some book work.
>>37686700
Are you retarded? I worked 112 hours in 6 days and I make 12.50 an hour.
>>37684624
Sorry no one responded man, i kek'd
>>37684624
Wow her arms are hairier than mine.
>>37686795
You're not going to get a job at the big firms with that low of a gpa. Generally they expect people from top 10 schools, and they want >3.75 gpa.
>>37686795
>not knowing accounting is gonna be automated by 2025 at the latest
>finishing up bachelors in environmental sciences
>paid internship with local industrial facility with a job lined up for graduating
>3.4 GPA
>industry will give me a 45k a year job to start with, WITH benefits, AND pay for me to get my masters locally too.
>Stick with them, get masters for free, upgrade job to 80k a year in less than 5 years.
environment science jobs are growing, 15-20% change rate depending on state, with 45k-120k pay depending on state you are in and experience
pollution isn't going away, nor are government regulations
get a job that has a sustainable future, dont get a degree in fucking history or art or femnazi studies
>>37686795
>shit GPA
>shit school
>blame women and minorities
Kek you'll fit right in here, dipshit
>>37686784
>Lel. I can negotiate a better deal than you because I have marketable skills and you don't. Why should a business owner be forced to pay you more when you don't contribute as much as me?
We could contribute the same amount exactly, the amount you're paid is based more on how replaceable you are, and how desperately you need the job, than on how much we contribute.
>>37685901
>step 1, become a nigger
>step 2, steal a bike
>step 3, ???
>step 4 profit
>>37686347
So how do you explain image related?
A business owner should not be required to pay more than an employee is worth, but shouldn't he be required to pay the amount an employee is worth? Based on what you are saying, the minimum wage should follow productivity and should be raised
>>37686963
If we had the same job, however I won't be applying to that job. I would be managing a group of you instead of doing the labor myself.
>>37686912
While I am jealous, good job on nailing that m8
>>37685913
Did you take on any extra responsibilities? Or where you just there for a long time? You do more work you deserve more money. You do the same amount of work but you've been there for a while you don't.
>>37686798
Conservatively, you're making 1100/wk on that, and what the fuck's the point when that is 2/3rd of all the hours in a week, and you probably spend the rest sleeping?
Some people don't want to be robots who have to work 12 hours a day just to be able to put money away, and that's not even addressing that there are probably not enough of those jobs for all the people who need them.
Remember when it was an aspiration that someone could work 40 hours a week and still have time to sleep well and spend time NOT WORKING, and still make a living?
You think you deserve to be showered with praise for working 72 hours more a week? You don't. Congrats on sacrificing your entire youth to make money, shit-for-brains. Hopefully a medical complication doesn't arise later in life that sucks out all that money you worked so hard to save up.
I didn't get my first job until I was 21.
Probably not the best life decision but I enjoyed highschool and college.
>>37686700
you do know that farmowners are literal multi-millionaires right?
See, OP, you're correct, but jobs that don't either require incredibly extensive training and certification or absolutely nothing but a pulse are largely disappearing. The middle-brow job market has been severely eroded. You don't usually "graduate" from a shitty minimum wage job into a managerial position anymore.
You have automation and globalism to blame. You probably realize this, but you just want to fit in with the dumbfuck Austrian connies on /pol/.
>>37687044
This is a scenario where you would be contributing more than me?
>>37686316
I've known a lot of unemployed and underemployed engineers. :(
>>37685984
I bet there was a lot of hot steamy incest. mmmm.......
>>37687110
Farm workers don't work that much every single day the entire year, some periods i.e. planting and harvest you work more. So you work a lot then, and save that money for when times are more difficult.
>>37687138
Yeah, farm OWNERS, not farm WORKERS. And no, not all farm owners are rolling in it, I know tons of farmers with modest operations and middle class net worths doing the best they can as industrial farms come and destroy their way of life.
>>37687158
Yes, I manage you so the business owner doesn't have to. I do things besides manual labor that you could find any dimwitted nigger to do.
>>37686999
Productivity =/= marginal product of labor.
Most increases in productivity are due to technology. This factors into the marginal product of capital.
Yes, an employer should pay an employee what they're worth, but its not as simple as adjusting wages when the mpl changes. There's a measure called the marginal rate of technical substitution, which considers the wage of labor and the rent of capital to determine the ratio of capital to labor to use in order to make a given amount of output.
The amount of output a company produces is what determines profit maximization. A business cannot change its output at will. Changing the wage of workers will change the marginal rate of technical substitution, making additional capital more appealing than additional labor. This is why people say automation is replacing peoples jobs
>>37683703
>the jobs
I worked at a marina getting paid minimum wage "7.25" at the age of 15. I worked with 12 other people. 4 people who just started including me. The rest made $10.00 and above. I had 5 managers. 4 were just managers and their was 1 that oversaw all the managers then I had 1 main boss. The 4 managers made 12.50 to 15.50 a hour and the main manager made around 16-17.00 a hour.
McDonalds pays minimum wage to just starting employees and it slowly increases over time.
>minimum wage is for teenagers.
You would not want a teenager being a manager of a store or a restaurant. Especially if you worked their.
>back to the marina
One of my managers were 17 and attended the same highschool as me. I was talking to his girlfriend and she broke up with him because she thought I was going to date her I didn't. He than told my boss that I was sitting in the bathroom and smoking weed on the job. He than belived him because a manager never lies. I than got introuble and ultimately quit because of the bullshit.
>>37685188
The much-vaunted unemployment percentage is just a bunch of bullshit. How many of those precious jobs are the same 'minimum wage for teenager' positions these shitbag politicians denigrate? What I want to know is how many people have started working jobs that allow them to support themselves or their family, how many people have started working jobs relevant to a field they studied, or jobs in which they have potential for growth. Pushing carts at Walmart is a job, but those people don't make shit.
>>37683703
Lol at thinking any office job is going to think the minimum wage mcdonald's job you held after high school is adequate "job experience."
In fact, why are you even putting that on your resume in the first place?
>>37687186
That's not reassuring. That means the money you are putting away is already posted to be used and can't be saved, resulting in once again, zero social mobility despite all the boot-strapping and sleep-depriving and sweating.
Workers do not deserve to live in survival-mode 24/7, and a rich asshole does not get to be the arbiter of that decision. When that happens, as it has, you start shoving wooden spikes up the rich people's asses.
>>37687345
All money that is saved is to be used at a later date.
>>37684409
They shit in a can. Piss on the side of the house. Get red cross food. Drink shitty water.
>>37687301
Are you American? Your English is the standard of a 10 year old.
>>37686308
I never said it payed well... I said they'll pay for your education and you'll get work experience. You get work experience from a minimum wage job but they don't pay for your education... usually. And i'm sure the army pays more than minimum wage.
>>37687318
I was trying to be sarcastic, but eh words
Fun fact...if an employer turns a full time position into a part time position it counts as creating a new job
If you just lost your job, you'll do what ever it takes to keep food on the table. You'll mow a damn lawn, do some manual labor, it doesn't matter. I don't understand where this false sense of entitlement comes from. Especially with people around my age (21). They act like they're too good to do certain jobs like fast food and stuff. They need to get over themselves. You have no reason to feel accomplished and like you deserve anything.
>>37686292
>There's lots to do but the whole structure needs to be reworked.
One word: Socialism
>>37687416
>i'm sure the army pays more than minimum wage.
Not much...its 20k a year
And the military is in a general cutback right now, so it's not the most stable decision to make
The army alone is cutting 100k positions
>>37686353
I'm not necessarily pro-israel, i'm just EXTREMELY anti-muslim. Anyone who kills those filthy muslim terrorists is good in my book.
>>37687548
>Hey, who's going to re-pave the highways? They're all busted from typical use and neglect!
>Don't look at me, that's not my job!
