http://time.com/3318650/china-war-japan-2020-poll/
More than half of China’s citizens expect their country to be at war with Japan in as little as six years, according to a new public opinion poll that finds a widening sense of mistrust and hostility between the two countries.
About 53% of Chinese respondents and 29% of Japanese respondents expected a war to break out by the year 2020, according to a joint survey conducted by newspaper China Daily and Genron, a Japanese NGO.
Each country’s favorability rating of the other remained at historic lows: 93% of Japanese respondents reported having a negative impression of China, the worst rating in the survey’s decadelong history, while 87% of Chinese responded negatively to Japan, a slight decrease from last year’s record high.
Tensions between Japan and China flared in 2013 over disputed islands in the East China Sea, and diplomats from both countries accused one another of behaving like “Voldemort,” the evil wizard from the Harry Potter fame. The rhetoric has cooled slightly since then, but public resentment evidently is still running deep.
sino-nippon war now
gas the gooks
Fucking sovereign nations fighting over some tiny, near worthless islands.
Fucking shamefur dispray.
>mfw ex-paratrooper that speaks rudimentary mandarin and works for the DoD
>>35560086
Nanking 2.0 when?
Fantastic
Japan has been pussified now. They just caved to demands from the UN and created plans to outlaw "hate speech".
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/politics/AJ201408300037
>>35560271
haha is that cat ears and a tail?
>>35560354
Yes. Japan in Polandball is usually super kawaii with cat ears and a tail.
>>35560086
We must protect Nippon at all cost, not only do they produce the majority of our animu and vidya games but the future of sexbot technology rests with them.
hah the Chinese are going to exact revenge from WW2. Japan is gonna get its shit pushed in.
>>35560396
But with China there, it would be alot more adundant and cheaper than if Nippon was making them on their own.
One for every virgin on /pol/
>>35560086
on a scale of 1 to 10 how hard will japan get raped in a war against china?
does japan even have any defense against them?!
>>35560160
Hopefully Japan will wipe out the inferiors in no time.
>>35560485
>does japan even have any defense against them?!
Yeah... the US.
>>35560485
China could easily steamroll Japan since they are clunmped together and have little population. But if Japan gets direct USA support, then CHina is fucked beyond repair, leaving Russia as the only rival to the USA left. Again.
>>35560435
Don't know about that, I think Japan's going to put up a pretty decent fight. They gave America a pretty decent sweat in WW2.
>>35560457
They would also be shitty, lead laden garbage.
>>35560552
>my face when the commies get rekt and the ROC is restored
>>35560591
And virgins on /pol/ care about that?
Here's to hoping militarism, nationalism will rise again, in the Empire of the Rising Sun.
What civilised human being doesn't want to see a good cleansing of those public defecating, dog-eating, gutter oil cooking chinks?
Good luck JAPAN!
>>35560086
The Chinese are among the most apolitical people in the world, they don't understand or care about their own cultural climate at all
>>35560624
A piece of shit, glitchy and poisonous machine? Yes.
As an America and a weebu I would support a full scale nuclear war with China to save japan.
Japan is America's waifu. Completely subservient, untained by cultural marxism, producer of video games and anime.
Can you picture the shitstorm if China attacks Japan and the US does NOTHING ABOUT IT?
Because we all know the US are a bunch of spineless pussies and Japan is toothless with their "Self defense force" that's regulated into the dirt. So Japan would fall in a few hours without America around to prop them up.
>>35560552
>Implying that China will start war with Japan without direct involvement of Russian Federation
Do you even lift?
> The two countries have been unable to sign a peace treaty after World War II due to the Kuril Islands dispute
>72% of Japanese people view Russia unfavorably, compared with 22% who viewed it favorably, making Japan the most Russophobic country surveyed
Russia would for 100% help China to rekt Japan especially that they need China alive. If USA will help then we will go WW3 then
>>35560776
>untained by cultural marxism
See: >>35560349
>>35560086
They'll probably use the Koreans as proxies instead of actually fighting each-other.
>>35560561
Japan from 1930 to 1945 was a compleetly militarized society. It all started after fucking Millard Fillmore decided to shock an entire isolated civilization into a rapidly industrializing and encroaching world. That kicked off the Meiji restoration, propelling Japan into a state of militarized aggressive theocratic rule.
Now japan doesn't have the hardcore school run genocidal indoctrination or sun god for a ruler. They even lost their right to expand their military. They would sadly get reked.
Although I believe that if china were to be the aggressor in any violent conflict. The US would do whatever it could to rally the people to war. It's all about keeping the Chinese from taking the USD from reserve currency status.
>>35560485
>japan re-militarizing recently
>china always useless garbage in foreign wars
I'd say -5/10.
>>35560561
Its not the 1940s.
America has been playing with war the last 70 years. Thats the country's national sport. If Japan doesn't receive direct US aide then they would lose in a war with China. They don't have the same spirit as in the 20th century. They dont have an industrial basin that can compare with China nor can they sustain massive losses. This leads them to always play it safe while China can absorb massive losses going through with any plan they think of.
>>35560821
By then Hillary will be on her second term and wanting to prove the world what a STRYNG WYMYN she is (like Thatcher) she will start WWIII.
>>35560485
pretty sure they'd rape each other, since both have large numbers of missiles
You people are seriously deluded if you think Japan would be alone in this. If any major conflict was against it the US would come to the rescure. Not to mention that the JSDF is heavily militarized. Have you even seen their air carriers?
>>35560086
REMOVE SUSHI!
WE WANT WAR NOW!
>>35561238
>air carriers
youwotm8, do you mean heli carriers?
>>35561310
which can be converted to an aircraft carrier
face it Japan isn't as defenseless as everyone makes it out to be
>>35561408
No need to convert them with VTOL
F35s weren't so useless after all
>>35560086
In this VICE news story/documentary that is very recent shows the US training in the pacific Ocean with China, Japan and a lot of other countries.
One part I found concerning was where the an American higher ranking officer went over to give a talk to the Japanese which stated:
"I look you in the eye right now and what I see are warriors and I see that the Bushido code is alive and well in the Japanese warrior. The day is coming. Be ready for that fight; And we will stand together and defeat any foe."
Why would he seem so sure a war is about to break out in the pacific unless they are actually planning something?
Source below.
http://youtu.be/P5f-Bt3DXfU?t=12m45s
>>35560086
>China, on the brink of environmental collapse
>Japan, capable of nuke missles up 4 launch in 90-180 days
China rekt in 1-2 years
>>35560490
Japan doesn't have an army
>>35560086
9/10 post. Much scare. The gooks don't lie about war, they don't play pretend. If China strikes first America is forced to respond with the full force of NATO. That's pretty scary.
>>35561825
see video in:
>>35561477
>>35562002
>Japan
>not a bunch of manlets
>>35562042
>tfw starving manlets on iwo led one of the most legendary to the death defenses the world has ever known
>imagine what they could do with proper euro and american support
>ur trellin
>>35561477
>That video
>2:30 seconds in
>The marines hit Normandy
>No mention of the fact that the ARMY stormed Omaha and Utah beaches
I WANT TO KILL EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD
>>35560552
China has no force projection capability, least of all via sea.
Japan has the second most powerful navy on the planet.
There is literally no way that China could actually steamroll Japan.
>>35562400
>I WANT TO KILL EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD
McCain is that you? Or is it Cheney? Or Hillary?
>>35562042
>not a bunch of manlets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Average_height_around_the_world
5'7 is manlet now? Average male american is 5'10
>people thinking China has any chance
What's that billion man army gonna do against the Japanese navy which has been designed solely to fuck over the Chinese navy? China's navy is 1970s tier.
>>35562582
Bush.
>>35562620
Anyone under 5'9" is a manlet, in my opinion.
>>35562712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P4sOH5JBXE
>>35561477
>Why would he seem so sure a war is about to break out
It doesn't take a genius. Burgeoning industrial powers like China have proven cantankerous in the past.
Both world wars in Europe were fought to contain the ascendant industrial power of the time, Germany.
Plus, If you read the news, China has been constantly making provocative claims and actions, mainly concerning island territories that they dispute with other countries.
>>35562826
5'9 manlet detected.
>>35563414
In those two wars, germany was the good guy.
>>35560086
>Majority of Chinese Expect War With Japan by 2020
you think chinese will finally clean up japanese radiation?
>>35562712
>China's navy is 1970s tier
that's wrong though
>>35563469
I'm 5'11" actually. I'm sure that within a few generations, I'll be considered a manlet too though.
>>35563414
China were training with the US, Japan and other countries in that video.
>>35563496
>In those two wars, germany was the good guy.
What I'm saying is that rising industrial powers have historically clashed with established powers
>>35563583
Nuclear subs render Chinese navy 1900s tier and china have no way of properly detecting them.
Japan would win so hard. Seriously, it needs this.
>>35563535
Now that I think about it, why do they even want Japan.
There's nothing but Radiation and no resources on the island.
Is it the women they want? I thought Japanese women were some of the biggest femcunts, hence why Japanese men don't want to touch them.
>>35563583
I lied. 1980s tier after they bought that old soviet carrier.
>>35563747
Because it's a very important strategic location? It's basically a gigantic airfield/naval base for American power projection in East Asia.
It's like asking what the Germans or French would want with the British isles even though they're devoid of resources.
DAILY REMINDER THAT CHINA USES MUSKETS FROM 1800s AND ENTIRE NAVY IS A SINGLE OLD FISHING BOAT WITH A RUSTED HARPOON GUN
LOL CHINA BTFO BY JAP HOVER PLUTONIUM SUBMARINES
>>35563844
Ahh I see. Thanks for that.
>>35561203
>implying Empress for Life Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton will wait till her second term to start WWIII
No
>>35563496
>killed over 6 million innocent Kosher folk
>innocent
>>35560485
It's not a simple as that. China has weak force projection abilities, and no way to get their zerg rush to Japan.
Japan doesn't have anything that can really affect anything worthwhile the chinese mainland though.
Wildcard is which side does Russia support? Russia doesn't like japan much, but having China become a rival bordering superpower is something Russia doesn't want either.
Wildcard 2 is how much does the US commit to Japan?
I would bet that China does something about Taiwan before they Japan.
>>35563900
Dubs confirm. RIP Chinks; grood grame.
>America letting its Asian butt buddy's aka: Their forward staging point in the Asian theater that isn't S Korea get invaded.
>America letting one of their largest trading partners get invaded
>America/Russia/India letting China grow larger
>>35562901
>speaking of chinese eyes
>>35564026
Japan's pretty much our biggest ally in the pacific. I think if it came down to choosing between South Korea, Taiwan and Japan we'd go with the latter two.
You just don't give up on your little island nations that you can park a carrier group in.
>>35564171
I dont get it. Are you referring to the picture or the video?
I should be fluent in Japanese by then and maybe move there, then everyone there won't know that I am a weeaboo immediately.
>>35560552
On the other hand, with the way China is structured, relatively little retaliation could have major impacts.
Imagine if a waring nation managed to destroy the Three Gorges Dam? Either from the flooding, or the loss of power, that would not be good times for China.
Having so many people crowded into their big cities is also a huge "send bomb here" flag. Imagine even a half-assed bombing going down in one of the megacities, where it is a literal sea of people milling around in the evening?
Japan's population, size, etc. make it look like China has the clear upper hand, but that doesn't mean that Japan can't give them a good skunking in the process.
>>35560457
They would also be prone to random explosions
>>35560160
What apparently people have missed is
>Potential Oil&Gas reserves
>>35564315
Most of Japan's population is in Tokyo.
China is a paper dragon. They're surrounded on all sides by little countries who all have mutual defense agreements AGAINST china. The only thing between them and India being the Himalayas and their only other natural defensive barrier being the Gobi desert.
With the majority of China's industry and population centers being densely populated in the river basins they could be easily disrupted by bombing key locations like Dams.
![Troops_of_the_Eight_nations_alliance_1900[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vtVN2aw.jpg "Troops_of_the_Eight_nations_alliance_1900[1].jpg")
Is it Eight-nation alliance time?
According to wikipedia, 1,12 boys are born for every 1 girl in China and for children under 15 there are 1,17 boys for every 1 girl. China is going to have a problem with male virgins with rage in the future.
>>35564251
watch the vid
>>35564431
They already do have that problem. It's just going to keep getting worse.
>>35564431
I guess they can use japanese women for comfort then.
>>35560086
>diplomats from both countries accused one another of behaving like “Voldemort,” the evil wizard from the Harry Potter fame.
It doesn't matter. Nobody is touching Japan while America is still the strongest.
>>35564486
must be nice being a girl in China then, or is it bad?
Japanese is the Asian master race. You better fucking believe that Japan would rape China as they have done in past centuries.
seems like china would win
>>35562042
As opposed to the Chinese, aryan ubermenschen all.
>>35563496
Yeah okay.
>>35564592
Given the population differences, there's probably more chinese over 6 ft than japs.
>>35564563
That was before US conquered Japan, and made it it's vassal state.
If China would launch limited military campaign on to get Senkaku Islands it would get them without an issue. Problem is however international relations China cannot risk international backfall at the moment. In six years situation will be different.
>>35564592
Weaboo pls.
>>35564635
And what does that matter when China cant land a single man on Japan? If you've got no naval force projection you aint shit.
>>35560086
>time.com
>diplomats from both countries accused one another of behaving like “Voldemort,” the evil wizard from the Harry Potter fame. The rhetoric has cooled slightly since then, but public resentment evidently is still running deep.
This sounds like manufactured "truth".
>>35564486
Toss up.
If you are from a family benefiting from growing middle/upper class, you probably have it alright, as you are in demand by all the males looking for a wife, and are both rare and well-off enough to be picky. The guys know that those girls are calling the shots when it comes to deciding who they will date/marry.
However, this overabundance of men also have the unfortunate side-effect of desperate guys paying criminals to kidnap them a Chinese woman to be their wife. This includes Chinese women that -aren't- even in China. In this instance, it's pretty much irl bad-end.
>>35564315
>On the other hand, with the way China is structured, relatively little retaliation could have major impacts.
Unless Japan decides to drop the Three Gorges Dam.
>>35564691
> Problem is however international relations China cannot risk international backfall at the moment. In six years situation will be different.
China is pants-on-head retarded diplomatically. They claimed all of South-East Asia was de jure Chinese territory a few years back and enraged Vietnam-SK-Japan into signing defense agreements.
>>35560086
Thats gonna be a lot of dead chinks and japs...Cool.
>>35564697
>hurr durr muh fleets
That's assuming the Chinese fleet can't transport thousands of men across or glass the whole country.
>>35564755
>>35564714
was meant for
>>35564551
>>35564730
And China will retaliate at every Japanese nuclear reactor.
>>35564635
Not proportionally, that's for sure. People in the Chinese countryside look like fucking gremlins.
>>35564695
All asians are manlets, sinoboo.
>>35564730
China has mach 10 missiles. Nobody will be able to reach it.
If they couldn't beat the PLA a few years after the country just stabilised (Korean War), they wouldn't be able to now, especially with the defence budget they got).
>>35564768
Pretty safe assumption considering how shit the Chinese navy is.
>>35564768
Yeah, how's it going to do that? China doesn't have diddly squat in terms of amphibious landing training compared to the US or Japan, both of whom practically invented its usage in modern warfare.
Not to mention China lacks the transport capabilities. It's the same situation as operation sealion
>>35564730
I covered that possibility. If the Three Gorges is destroyed, the flooding would be catastrophic, and there would be a notable shortage of power to the supplied areas (assuming they aren't in the path of the flooding).
>>35564768
>glass the whole country.
What's the point? Especially considering China'd get glassed in return.
>Chinese fleet can't transport thousands of men across
I think you meant to say millions. That's the sort of amphibious invasion force you'd need to conquer the Japanese islands (based on estimates made for Operation Downfall in WW2).
>>35564841
>its shit
Shit enough to force the US to redeploy 7 carriers?
>>35564850
I'm watching animu and didn't read your post properly.
>>35564881
Yeah Japan just can't be invaded easily. You can only really land in Kyushu.
>>35564881
>need to transport millions
Oh yes japanese steel of force multiplier of 9000
>WW2 mentality
Then China should have fallen by now.
>>35564951
You think the China of today was anywhere near as scary as America's pacific might in 1944-45 as it was gearing up to invade Japan?
China doesn't have the logistical capabilities to support such an ambitious landing. Even if the entire Chinese maritime and commercial fleets were scrambled it wouldn't be enough and they'd be sitting ducks for the Japanese navy.
China vs Japan is in the same situation as Germany vs Britain in WW2. Operation Sealion was infeasible.
>>35564742
Yes, but as long as West is not involved it's ok.
It's not like that alliance is tightly knit either. Japanese still think Koreans as second class citizens and Koreans hate Japanese for Occupation. Vietnamese on the other hand are just afraid China will make them satellite state, which they most likely will nonetheless. If china offers something good for Korea and Vietnam quite sure alliance will be a paper-tiger.
>>35564951
You seriously think you could conquer a nation of over 100 million with just thousands of soldiers? Japan has an available manpower pool of over 20 million, about a quarter million active personnel, modern weapons technology, and the advantage of fighting at home on an island. You'd need millions of men to take them in a conventional war.
>>35564884
>hurr durr what is playing defense
Doesn't take much to get the US to reassign assets. It's the world police after all, it goes where it looks like people are getting uppity. Next you'll tell me shoring up defenses against Iran proves it's some sort of credible threat.
>>35564315
>Imagine if a waring nation managed to destroy the Three Gorges Dam?
Imagine how China would respond to that.
>Having so many people crowded into their big cities is also a huge "send bomb here" flag.
Same goes for Nippon except that its population is even more concentrated.
>>35565048
South-Korean/Chinese relations are still kind of out of the question because of North Korea.
If Korea were a unified state I could easily see China getting SK on it's side because they've always been ingrateful fucks towards the US even after we built up their economy from Sub-Saharan Africa tier.
>>35565075
If conscription is introduced, China could have a force of 500 - 700 million men.
That's not enough to occupy Japan?
>>35560086
Yeah, let's just have a war, just like that.
A war over how are those tiny islands called.
Let's build a huge army now!
Animal boiler VS. Robot waifu husbands!
>>35560086
I don't have a dog in this fight. US pls no interject.
>>35565122
Once again: How could China transport those men safely to Japan AND supply them?
A billion man army means nothing when you have no green water navy.
>>35565122
men and women*
Apologies.
>>35564532
Using Harry potter references makes them sound so cute.
>>35565147
Too bad. We're legally bound to protect them after we tore up their constitution and rewrote it to where it said they were under our protection.
>>35565122
The question was how many can it transport to the islands before its fleet was all at the bottom of the ocean. Hint: not millions.
>>35565031
Britain was economically ruined by the German blockade.
You continuously assume Japan needs to be occupied by millions of soldiers, whether that's based on the retardation of the US in Iraq or Afghanistan it does not matter it is still a retarded assumption. War is far more efficient that what it was 70 years ago. What took fleets of aircraft and ships now takes squadrons. If the Chinese open up war with Japan it will be multi front multi strikes to pin down and destroy or delay the ability of the enemy to intercept the assault.
But for the Chinese to do that they need Israel tier drilling and quite frankly there's nothing to that effect happening. Which means the Chinese are either incompetent or the more likely case not planning an attack. Or maybe they are but nobody is letting the cat out of the bag yet...
Human bridge/ origami boats.
>>35565188
But... wouldn't we rather help China? They kinda make everything we buy.
>>35560160
If hobos started squatting in your backyard, would you fight over this "worthless" area you aren't even living on anyway?
It doesn't matter if your back yard could house a whole fucking town, it's yours.
Meanwhile these islands also hold oil and gas reserves.
>>35565246
Japan is just not a pretty country to invade, man, then again that's assuming the Japanese would resist. If they did it would be hell considering how mountainous Japan is.
Also China IS incompetent. I don't know if you've read up on or have kept up with their military scandals but they've got one of the most corrupt militaries in Asia. They sell out military license plates to the wealthy/middle class and if you have those plates on your cars you're entitled to free gasoline and you can put flashing lights on your car to make traffic part like you were a police officer.
Serious question.
Are navies not vulnerable as fuck now? I just imagine ships as sitting ducks to air and missile threats. Even with anti missile tech surely enough bombardment will just wipe them out easily.
Please correct my stupidity if I'm way off.
>>35565100
China would want to be careful about it. They could either play it up as "the enemy knows no decency, and are vile bastards," but if they fuck up, that might just tip an upset populace over the edge, for "failing to protect the people."
Chinese leaders are probably already worried with all the dissent over there right now. They remember seeing the Soviet Bloc fall ~25 years ago, and remember seeing former leaders being jailed at best, if not just strung up. And when things do eventually go to hell in China, it is going to be a top-tier fuckfest.
People in China probably hate the Japanese, but I'd think the average person would rather have a job, have food, and make some money, than go to war.
>>35565148
You make it sound like its all the way across the Pacific.
And you asked how can they take it with only a few thousand troops, and then proceeded to say they have this much and that much troops.
I just simply fixed the numbers up so 20 million manpool isn't much when the other side has 400 million available.
>>35565283
We would be best served by instituting a policy of deterring international aggression. Especially towards first-world nations. If China is an aggressor, that means it is in our long-term interest to oppose them, even if it hurts us in the short term.
>>35565283
Why would we want to help them over something like these stupid island disputes that haven't and won't be recognized by an international court of law? We kind of fought them to a standstill in Korea 60 years ago.
Gooks and Chinks are all so butthurt over Japan's little island holdings like the Senkaku/Tsushima islands even though they wont take it up with the Hague
>>35565101
I bet Beijing would help SK to break the Norks and absorbs the remnants as long as SK forces the US forces to leave Korea.
>>35565101
Well, they can fix that if they want to. Senkaku is only an issue because China wants those possible Oil&Gas fields.
US military&politics might look entirely different in 6 years. There have been some massive fuck-ups such as F-35 etc.
So if China plays right, there won't be a need to to take Senkaku via limited military campaign. Also you have to keep in mind that Chinese play long-term game unlike west.
>>35565350
China is threatening to give carriers The Dong if they get too close or too uppity.
>>35565378
Japan would have no problem mobilizing its available manpower for defense, given that they already live there. China, to invade, would need to be able to land and supply a larger force to take the islands. And that's just not practical.
>>35563414
RETURN CHINESE CLAY
>>35565411
But why? Japan is pretty ass-backwards. It's like wanting to fuck your autistic cousin instead of something hot,
>>35565246
China doesn't have the navy to blockade Japan though. That goes double seeing as how the US Navy wouldn't let anyone blockade one of its most important trading partners.
On the other hand, the JMSDF could easily clog all the major Chinese ports with sunken container ships to the point where China's international trade is pretty much entirely through Russia.
>>35565415
Neither Beijing or Seoul wants to deal with the millions of starving and indoctrinated Nork refugees and the dozens of billions of dollars it would cost to unify the country.
Korea being unified would basically throw a monkeywrench into Asia's economy, especially after they just came out of a depression only 10 years ago.
>>35565415
SK is actually more lenient towards China than Japan.
China is the only one that can deter North Korea from doing anything naughty, and that's the absolute priority for the South Koreans.
They also hate Japan for the war crimes and just general rivalry. Japanese people also overwhelmingly hate Koreans.
>>35563704
China has nuclear subs too
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/nuclear-missiles-on-chinese-submarines-2014-3
They are totally aware that nuclear submarines are vital.
>“This will give China its first credible sea-based nuclear deterrent, probably before the end of 2014,” Locklear told the Senate Armed Services Committee.
>>35565350
The Japs have the same air defense destroyers that we do, and they're the best in the world. Nothing short of a Macross-style missile swarm is getting to any Japanese ships.
>>35565485
Japan's our vassal. We train and fund their military and get to use their country as a gas station and airport.
It's a good relationship since the Japanese didn't want to spend any on defense and instead focus on commercial goods after we completely rekt their country after WW2.
>>35565493
If the rumors are true, China has some missiles in R&D that can be used to target naval vessels from land.
If they can get them to hit target, the monetary trade of missile:ship is staggeringly in favor of China.
>>35564367
>bomb Three Gorges
>don't even need other explosives
>>35560086
but then why are they fist-bumping like bros?
>>35565342
Like I said we don't know whats being planned but if this keeps up we probably will see a war. The Japanese are running around rounding up allies, the Chinese are bristling. One feels they are doing god's work the other is insulted they would even think of standing up to China. This will not end well. Keep an eye out on Chinese drills that will probably be the clue for something.
>>35560349
LDP does retarded shit all the time that goes nowhere. The haven't done anything yet, and the won't be around long enough to enact anything meaningful.
>>35565590
China can't even build jet engines. They can't develop missiles without getting the blueprints from Russia.
By the way, land-based anti-ship missiles have been a thing since the 70s.
>>35565641
Yeah if it weren't for Israel selling our military secrets China wouldn't have a pot to piss in.
>>35565598
If Fukushima is anything to go by all China has to do is strike the power plants.
Or better yet if they can hack them and deliberately overload them....
>>35560457
Have you seen Chinese bootleg anime figures? No thanks.
>>35565683
Fukushima's not really a good example of nuclear safety failing.
>muh hacking
Oh, well I already knew you were retarded so whatever.
>>35565683
>Or better yet if they can hack them and deliberately overload them....
You know the real world isn't like Hollywood movies, right?
>>35565641
Land based hypersonic missile goy.
>>35565641
http://www.usni.org/news-and-features/chinese-kill-weapon
http://aviationweek.com/awin/us-navy-sees-chinese-hgv-part-wider-threat
>>35565729
>>35565731
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
Full retard.
>>35565736
>>35565641
>>35565590
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21
>United States Naval Institute in 2009 stated that such a warhead would be large enough to destroy an aircraft carrier in one hit and that there was "currently ... no defense against it"
>>35565736
>>35565772
The Chinese couldn't build a hypersonic cruise missile that actually worked if the Russians sent them an Ikea-made kit.
>>35565776
>muh Stuxnet
Can only haxxor something if you get direct access or if it's connected to a network of some kind.
>>35565833
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21
>medium range
Can't even reach Japan.
>>35565641
Say hello to the Dong Feng-21D, friend.
Russia was reported as speculating that outside of electronic countermeasures, the damn thing is just too fast to defend against, and one could probably sink an aircraft carrier.
To add to the problem, compare the cost of a DF missile to the cost of a fucking naval ship. If one really can sink a ship on its own, and if it really is too fast/hard to intercept, that is a terrible fucking monetary loss for the navy.
>>35565833
>using carriers against people who can hit them
Do people just not understand strategy? Or using tools that work for the job? The Pacific is riddled with unsinkable aircraft carriers that the US is allowed to use as-is. We even have cute names for them like Guam, Hokkaido, and the Philippines.
>>35565901
It can be submarine launched friend!
>>35565885
>Hehehe stupid chugoku jin boku wa hiding behind 7 layers of icognito modu desu
Like i said IF they can hack it.
Fugging illiterate shit.
>>35565947
Don't forget Taiwan.
>>35560086
The majority of Chinese are also extremely impoverished peasants. Literally.
>>35565978
But their middle class is also bigger than Japans.
>>35565939
If it's that fast it can't change course easily and thus will have a very low hit rate.
Quite frankly, I don't trust the Chinese to actually build anything that actually works. They're the most ass-backwards power out there.
>>35565947
You mean stationary targets that can in the worst case, just be nuked.
>b-but they wouldn't use nukes
No, it's pretty well known that you can get away with nuking some bases, just as long as nothing touches the US mainland, no nuclear counter attack is going to happen.
>>35565901
Correct. But it CAN reach naval ships that get too close to China, or neighboring lands where the missiles could be deployed. Which makes dealing with China via Navy intercession a little more complicated.
>>35565939
6000 crewmen a giantic nuclear reactor gone and probably not enough time to evacuate all the military hardware and intelligence assets stored on that ship.
On the other hand China just solved America's problematic military upkeep.
>>35565977
I wouldn't use Taiwan, actually. Too densely populated and too easily assailable from the mainland, no matter what the propaganda tells you. It'll be a good fortress to attack Chinese ships and subs from, though.
>>35565994
That's a fucking retarded statement. "Middle class" in China is absolute dog shit compared to middle class in developed countries.
>>35565999
You really want to take chances and assume like that? Be my guest.
>>35566005
Nuclear deescalation is the dumbest tactical theory in existence.
>>35566005
>using nukes on other nuclear powers
China might get away with zinging the Philippines, but never ever Japan.
inb4 but Japan has no nukes, we already don't believe Israel about their lack of a nuke program, why should we believe Japan?
>>35565999
The US navy has been in full panic over it.
They know it's credible.
http://www.usni.org/news-and-features/chinese-kill-weapon
>"The Navy's reaction is telling, because it essentially equals a radical change in direction based on information that has created a panic inside the bubble. For a major military service to panic due to a new weapon system, clearly a mission kill weapon system, either suggests the threat is legitimate or the leadership of the Navy is legitimately unqualified. There really aren't many gray spaces in evaluating the reaction by the Navy…the data tends to support the legitimacy of the threat."
>>35566056
Because Japan is occupied by the US.
Israel occupies the US.
>>35565999
That is what I'm banking on.
If they can't manage to not feed their own people food laced with all sorts of dangerous shit, and have half of their reserves outfitted with knock-off nerf guns, I can't imagine them having too much to be afraid of other than sheer numbers, and potential backing from Russia.
>>35566016
> problematic
5% of GDP is the level of military spending considered the threshold of economically sustainable over the long term. The US military budget is ~3.8% of GDP and was above 7% in the 1980s. There's nothing financially burdensome about it.
>>35566006
>Which makes dealing with China via Navy intercession a little more complicated.
US strategy is not to intercede in Chinese waters with Naval units, because that's pants on head retarded. How do you people use the commode? How do you dress yourselves?
>>35566032
Name a single thing with a made in China sticker on it that is actually worth a shit.
>>35566079
>or the leadership of the Navy is legitimately unqualified
There you go.
>>35566079
It's literally never hit a moving target at sea.
>>35562712
That's not true, where have you been the last 10 years?
>>35566127
>China's one aircraft carrier doesn't have a powered launcher
No, it's pretty true as far as surface navy is concerned.
>>35566110
WOW look at this arm chair general here.
Just completely dismisses the entire leadership of the US Navy because MUH FEELINGS say otherwise.
>>35565999
>>35566088
>>35566110
This is why you're an armchair general and no professional would take you seriously in real life
>well they got this stereotype and that stereotype
>hence it's impossible for them to touch us based on those stereotypes that have no connection with each other
>dont worry go ahead my calculations are impeccable
>>35566178
If you haven't noticed based on the abortions that were the Zumwalt project, the LCS project, and F-35, the current naval leadership is grossly incompetent.
>>35565999
It costs a few million for China to make one of those missiles. It takes a few billion to make an air craft carrier. If it works as advertised, then China pulled of the equivalent of blowing up a Bentley with a fucking BB gun.
>>35566233
> what is standoff range
>>35560160
>Fucking sovereign nations fighting over some tiny, near worthless islands.
Its assertion of power that's being tested. The way potentially hostile states view eachother is similar to the way inner city youth (and antebellum southerners) treat eachother: if one party doesn't stick up for its honor/property, then the other power is seen as being superior.
That's why you don't go into the inner city of Detroit and scream racial slurs (if you're white) at the residents since its obvious that they will defend their honor by kicking your ass or killing you since not doing so would, in their eyes, justify your insult and attack on their honor. Do the words cause physical or psycological pain? No, but they do create a need to protect one's honor.
When it comes to countries, disputes of this kind warrant confrontational actions since the act of not doing so inevitably leads to further consessions and ultimate domination. In Ukraine, we saw this with Crimea. Whether you agreed with Russia or Ukraine, the fact is that Russia was only able to take Crimea because Ukraine was unable to protect their national 'honor' and thus their borders.
With China and Japan, both countries need to assert their ownership over those disputed islands since the act of not doing so would warrent further encroachments. Japan could start demanding Manchuria back or China could try justifying invasion of Japan in order to "bring it back into the fold" and make it subservient to China like in the way way way old days.
>>35566271
>what is submarine launch capability
It can come from anywhere.
>>35560155
>gooks
I'm p sure if big-breasted Japan waifu supply is interrupted napalm would be dusted off.
>>35566093
>its not problematic
It is when your government is still trying to figure out how to pay its bills on time.
>>35566288
Don't bother, man. /pol/ has a poor grasp of military strategy and game theory at best.
>>35566318
The DF-21 is not sub launched if that's what you're implying.
>>35566233
You're assuming that the Chinese missiles work in the first place, which is a pretty big assumption, and that the capabilities are even approaching what they claim they are.
Given that it's China, the country that got caught filming its space walks in a pool and releasing transcripts from space missions before the missions even launched, I can't see it as a credible threat.
>>35566318
>DF-21
>sub launched
Full retard
>>35566356
Okay so you don't know shit about budgetary economics. We get it.
>>35566288
I dont know whats worse that the US is egging Japan on to stir shit up or China for getting uppity about every slight. Why the fuck can't we just get money and fuck bitches?
>>35566356
Nah, the government knows what needs to happen, and it's going to happen, it's just going to happen after an election because it'll cheese off the retirees. Literally every politician in Congress knows exactly what changes need to be made in order to fix the budget, they're just unpopular as fuck.
>>35566415
>I dont know whats worse that the US is egging Japan on to stir shit up or China for getting uppity about every slight. Why the fuck can't we just get money and fuck bitches?
Simple: Prisoner's Dilemma
>>35566415
>the US is egging Japan on to stir shit up
u wot m8
>>35566288
>inevitably leads to further consessions and ultimate domination
What 'further concessions' have been demanded from Ukraine by Russia?
![d63f88690a6179927ccd-LL_thumb%25255B2%25255D[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ULT7FEc.jpg "d63f88690a6179927ccd-LL_thumb%25255B2%25255D[1].jpg")
The average chinese would bend over welcoming their liberators
>>35566454
>Politician's Dilemma
War will not benefit the everyday man at all.
>>35566460
None, yet. Doesn't matter though, Putin can afford to consolidate his gains because he knows he's got the US and Europe beaten on willpower.
>>35564566
Implying numbers is all that counts
>>35566409
Oh but please tell us more how a country that is struggling economically, is being dragged back into other engagements around the world has the budgetary capacity to open up a front with a country that may or may not fuck up your military assets such that if you win you're badly mauled and the world will be for the poorer and if you lose all hell will break loose.
Oh wait you can't you're just talking out of your ass to hide the fact everyone in the world is fucked up.
>>35566497
Listen you dumb nigger. Stagflation was running rampant in the 1980s and the military budget was double what it is today as a % of GDP and nothing collapsed.
>>35566415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gnqTwFkknE
>>35564234
>>35564026
Public support among Americans for the Japanese would be huge, too, I think.
>>35566497
Simple: The US has had this front open for literally 80 years. It's priced in, you dumb fuck.
I bet more Japanese would be in favor of Abe's militarization efforts if he would just drop some flow on making Gundams a real thing.
>>35566496
>implying number don't count
>people actually want to go to war over a rock in the middle of the sea
>>35566548
>he thinks that 1:1 scale RX-78-2 they built was just a model
Haha oh wow.
>>35566577
Its not about going to war over a rock.
Its about taking Asia back from the white man and making Japan subservient again like in the past.
>>35566497
you do know that the majority of the entirely competent US navy is already over there and ready to fight.
every single seaman I've met has been to Japan, you ever wonder why?
>>35560155
Gas the dumplings, rice war now?
lol communism ends forever :) Nihongo Ichiban!
>>35566460
>Invades Georgia
>Invades Ukraine
>????
>Invades Finland
>USSR V2
>>35566604
Oh trust me, I want to believe that when China starts getting serious, it will activate like something right out of an 80's mecha anime, where it's eyes light up, it holds its arms aloft, and flies into action.
>I know that is not how Gundams work, but fuck it
>>35566690
That hasn't happened yet.
>>35566491
>War will not benefit the everyday man at all.
Wrong, it will.
Imagine if the United States surrendered to the world. Imagine if we put all our guns, nukes, tanks, planes, and ships in a big-ass dock in Oakland CA or NYC and said "fuck it, we want peace".
What would happen? I'll tell you what would happen and why: America would be almost instantly invaded, looted, and her people killed. This would happen because EVERY OTHER COUNTRY would be competing over the assets and/or the people. This would cause people to take what they can grab either out of selfishness or to deny rivals the loot (UK would rather NYC burn than let it fall into the hands of the Chinese, Russians, or Germans).
What would happen to the people? They would mostly be killed off since no one would be able to feed many of them or incorporate them into their economies without over-taxing the infrastructure. Scorched earth strategies would be employed by virtually everyone and America would be carved up and raped by all (except those too weak to risk being stomped on). Even countries that love America would be just as ferocious in their attacks against America as everyone else.
Well yea the Swedes are helping the chinks developing new weapons such as new airborne nuclear missiles and stealth technology.
And Sweden only does that when there's a war incoming and money to make. Do you even history?
>>35566553
Look at Mussolini in WW2 or the British in the Boer War. Inferior training, equipment or troops generally in poor health are a greater factor that numbers
But both are important
>>35566758
Nah, what would actually happen is world trade would collapse and we'd enter a dark age from America not protecting the global shipping routes.
Our most important asset isn't our troops, tanks, drones, planes or nukes it's our NAVY. We keep the channels protected and open so people are able to send cargoships out freely.
>>35566758
Not going to war is not the same thing as surrendering and disarming yourself.
>>35566818
true, still i think china would win in such a war though.
>>35566758
Are you suggesting the only other alternative to the situation you just proposed is to go to war with China, then stay in a state of perpetual war because war is great for people? Really now?
>>35564551
> constantly pestered by small dicked autistic manlets
> Aryan alpha males do not want to come to your shithole of a country to give you the D
uhmm, no
>>35566522
>>35566545
>Its priced in
You dumb fucks are the reason we'll race head first into ruin.
>>35561287
why the fuck would any sane person use the phrase "New World Order" positively? sounds like Freemason bullshit to me
>>35567250
I read an article about this.
I think he actually said new international order.
Its basically the same thing.
>>35562520
This.
China would have trouble taking Taiwan by force, let alone Japan.
>>35565148
> load chinks into transport.
> get consistently btfo by gook subs against which you have no defense
> lots of tuna food on the seafloor
> price of tuna dwindles
> gooks multiply
> grorious Nippon once against rightfully rules the far east
> much comfort, wow
>>35566491
also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCbJxvCTHRc&list=UUJDIGW0ywWw9Kh9_vtwqxXA
>>35565148
China will probably keep throwing men at them until a chinamen/land bridge forms.
>>35567350
There is no -12, 0
MAD made sure every option but co-operation was -12,-12
Instead what you now have is a grind a grind because nobody wants to be the one to start the -12,-12 so when shit blows up rest assured it will be -12,-12 everybody is too committed to win to afford to lose.
>>35566835
>Nah, what would actually happen is world trade would collapse and we'd enter a dark age from America not protecting the global shipping routes.
Didn't say that wouldn't happen.
>Our most important asset isn't our troops, tanks, drones, planes or nukes it's our NAVY. We keep the channels protected and open so people are able to send cargoships out freely.
Yes and no. Or navy is like our heart whereas our other forces are like our lungs: each one is useless without the other. If all we had was a navy, then anyone with any brains would just invade from Canada or Mexico and take over our country while the Navy sits by with their thumbs up their asses because all they can do is protect port cities (that is, of course, until SAMs start being set up).
>Not going to war is not the same thing as surrendering and disarming yourself.
Not really. If you refuse to fight, over seemingly trivial things, you end up loosing your legitimate control over your own assets. We own the oil trade (via OPEC and the Petrodollar) but we loose that right if we don't bomb the shit out of anyone trying to fuck with it. Its just like if you own private property and people walk all over it and you don't tell them to go away or set up a 'no trespassing' sign; you end up loosing the right punish people for acts that you let happen. If we didn't bomb Saddam, other countries could start selling oil in Euros without expecting retribution.
>>35567570
>If all we had was a navy, then anyone with any brains would just invade from Canada or Mexico and take over our country
And just how are they going to get troops to Canada or Mexico?
>>35566897
>Are you suggesting the only other alternative to the situation you just proposed is to go to war with China, then stay in a state of perpetual war because war is great for people? Really now?
Nope. The best solution is to ALWAYS punish aggressors but never try to incite war. This way, you don't end up having to go to war with anyone since they won't have the balls to attack you in the first place. China won't attack America since they know that even touching a single tiny-ass island of ours would result in a war that wouldn't end until 1 country surrenders unconditionally. We've proven that fact by destroying/defeating anyone who ever fucked with us (Japan, Iraq, Bin Laden, etc) with very few exceptions (vietnam and Korea).
If you aren't willing to go to war with a country like China over some islands, then you don't deserve to have a country. That's not the same as saying you should go to war with china pre-emptivly.
