I'm going to be dumping nondegenerate music itt. I've noticed that in previous /pol/ music threads, popular music styles (this includes punk and metal fyi, as well as offshoots thereof) tend to outnumber the classical submissions, and that the latter are limited to a distressingly small scope. While there's nothing wrong with (some) popular music, it cannot be disputed that the 1000+ year old art music tradition is one of the foremost legacies of European civilization. Consequently, I don't believe anyone can truly claim to be pro-West without having immersed themselves in classical music.
I think one of the main reasons people put off getting into classical music is because of the sheer quantity that is available. Not only do you have a written tradition extending from the way back in the early Middle Ages to the present day, but there are countless performances of any given piece and no consensus on which is definitive or "the best". Cultivating even a superficial understanding of the history and evolution can rapidly turn into a full time job, but it's especially arduous if one doesn't even have a roadmap to follow. This chart is a very good resource, as it provides links to music spanning the entire temporal spectrum of the tradition,and each of these recordings/performances has been vetted for quality. While it is by no means comprehensive or objective, as it heavily reflects a single user's preferences, it is a fine place for the uninitiated to begin.
I enjoyed this: BBC Howard Goodall's Story of Music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Y6NPahlDE
A good chunk of classical music is far more popular than a lot of metal. You said it yourself that it's a 1000+ year old musical tradition.
Nobody should be using the term popular music to refer to anything unless it's being played on the radio.
Cool post OP.
Here's a guide to right wing books just in case any lurkers want to find something to read.
Although he did not live to see his 32nd birthday, Franz Schubert left as his legacy one of the greatest bodies of work in musical history, penning masterpieces in almost every major musical genre of his era. A native of Vienna and contemporary of Beethoven, Schubert's music perhaps best represents the tension between the ideals of the Viennese Classicists – heavily inspired by the Enlightenment and its thinkers – and those of the burgeoning Romantic period, who rejected those ideals in favor of an individualistic bent and a return to an idyllic and organic existence.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaL-kLYxDIw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVizJNaEnZE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-sdf8BbLvI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK4bNftf0A0
>>34660541
>CLT
>not a dumbass pleb trying to play with the big boys
>classical music
>somehow the 'best' music
I hate people who know little about music.
>>34661514
Popular/commercial music is anything which is neither classical/art music nor folk/traditional music. This includes heavy metal and its offshoots.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_music
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_music
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_music
>>34662090
>'best'
Whom are you quoting?
give it a rest
Stepping a few centuries backward we find Johannes Ockeghem, member of the Franco-Flemish school of polyphony and generally regarded as the most influential musician prior to Josquin des Prez and later than Guillaume DuFay. A technician without peer (at least, until J.S. Bach), Ockeghem pushed the conventions of his time to their absolute logical limit. Although little of his work has passed down to us, what little we have testifies to his profound talent, as do the testimonies of his contemporaries and mentees (for example, this lament by Josquin: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWejo9uYsNk).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWLsLAujZzI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwwKkAQ8l2s
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKAdtaXyxi0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ospfv3AP1_c
>>34662885
Straddling the 19th and 20th centuries, Danish composer Carl Nielsen eschewed the High Romanticism of Richard Wagner, the "impressionism" of Claude Debussy, and the modernism of Schoenberg and his Second Viennese School in favor of his own idiosyncratic approach to classical tonality. Although spawning few imitators, Nielsen is rightly regarded as one of the crowning gems of his home country Denmark and of Scandinavian music in general. He is best known for his symphonies.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkEBPND8N94
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPB8Wv05FV8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6IHqvuYmKQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJOEdlTYJQ8
When did you become a Nazi CLT?
>>34661846
>>34662885
>>34663479
>>34663479
Do the same for Mozart, oh mighty CLT
>>34660996
>CLT
>not a degenerate
Do you even /mu/?
A central figure within German Romanticism, Robert Schumann first showed promise as a piano virtuoso before a training mishap permanently injured his hand, leading him to become overshadowed by his wife Clara within his own lifetime. Although best known as a composer of piano music, it is a misconception to believe that Schumann's talents were limited to this medium. Schumann suffered from bipolar disorder throughout his lifetime, and died in an insane asylum after several years' confinement following a failed suicide attempt.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUtutaXRCfk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3kmE250i2A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOYQ5vgXXxg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZLjf_m6j0A
>>34662279
I don;t get it
>>34664046
Mozart doesn't need a blurb. In fact, the most extravagant praise would be a gross understatement. Mozart is the greatest musician to ever walk the earth.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UniXSQYJd-k
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyNFElawfTg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQGe4dLDM5A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1D3V4SX-k0
>>34664082
What do you mean?
Great thread. You're doing God's work, CLT.
>>34664430
>the most extravagant praise would be a gross understatement
>>34664556
>tfw no fasces/corporatism flag
wtf moot
Why is Stravinsky so fucking good? This is my favorite post-Romantic piece:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqFTGo3iM6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tshHX0aYxkI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on_Kb7SpfMo
>>34664690
Literally made a thread about it today.
In a rare case for a classical composer, Carlo Gesualdo is probably better known for his personal biography than for any of his compositions. An Italian noble of the late Renaissance, Gesualdo is infamous for having murdered his first wife and her lover after returning from a fake hunting trip and discovering them in flagrante delicto. Reportedly, after stabbing his wife dozens of times with a sword, a blood-covered Gesualdo attempted to return to the bedchamber, claiming "She might still be alive." According to some accounts, he murdered their infant son as well, suspending him in his cradle outside a tower window and shaking him to death. Racked by guilt later in his life, Gesualdo went on to produce some of the most chromatic music composed prior to the 20th century.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZVGvDMonQA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU9a3gYEJ4o
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiIKbUI6Dio
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNKkULNoLQI
>>34662885
>>34665202
What do you think of Palestrina?
>>34665086
You have good taste. Threni is underrated even for a post-Rite of Spring Stravinsky piece.
>Literally made a thread about it today.
Ha, nice.
>>34665252
Palestrina is terrific fun to perform. The music practically sings itself.
>>34665520
>The music practically sings itself
True, there's something inexplicable about his voice.
At this point in the thread I'd like to ask for feedback. What pieces and/or composers have you Volker been enjoying? What sort of stuff would you like to hear more of? I'll check back in a little while.
>>34666072
Edvard Grieg. Now that's a composer.
>>34666072
Why don't you just trip? You'll be recognized instantly and there won't be misunderstandings and confusion.
Other than that, welcome to /pol/. I've never understood the hate you've got for many Romantic composers, especially Wagner and Mahler, but in all fairness I enjoy almost all the essential First Viennese School composers a great deal more.
>>34663826
He got laughed off of /mu/ after his constant feminist shitposting. Unfortunately, /mu/ still thinks that tumblr thinking is ok, so when he took his /pol/ attitudes with him, they promptly told him to fuck off.
Thanks soooo much OP now whenever I am not in an elevator I can listen to this and pretend like I am.
>>34666880
>/mu/ will never be as it was in the elitist days
>>34666186
Damn straight he is. I'm sure you've already heard the Peer Gynt suite, but I'll post it for the benefit of those itt who've only been exposed to "Mountain King". It's overplayed, but it's overplayed for a reason.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAB16qHuHa8
Of course, his true genius shone clearest through his piano music.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZceTnU6iQ4
Although he wrote chamber music which foreshadows Debussy's, despite actually being good.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZZkxLY9uqc
Then of course there are his songs, although for whatever reason those are difficult to find on YouTube.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NM5LgC0mto
>>34666954
It truly is a sad time we're living in
>>34666880
>He got laughed off of /mu/ after his constant feminist shitposting
Example of this?
>>34667022
>OP baits /mu/ with the standard "is it ok to grope women who crowdsurf?" thread
>thread derails into people being legitimately mad at the shitposters saying yes
>CLT strolls in and spouts of the typical /pol/ banter
>/mu/ cries
>>34666799
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.
>>34666962
Forgot my pic.
>>34660541
>European civilization
irrelevant.
/thread
>>34667210
What do _you_ mean? You've been shitposting firetrucks whenever anons has mentioned Wagner, Mahler and Schoenberg. I understood it with Rach and 'Kovsky, because they're legitimately bad, but it went over the top when you started dissing almost all Romantic music that wasn't Brahms and Schumann.
Not that I'm stupid enough to ignore that Mozart, Schubert and Beethoven were greater than all of them.
I enjoy how the first comment on this is a reference to QfG4.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK6mzxQUQog
(Incidentally, that's where I first heard the piece too.)
>>34660541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=disqzLW1QJA&list=FLmsS2p0M1fHZsHon7jGk1YQ&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym4-1RN8nIc&list=FLmsS2p0M1fHZsHon7jGk1YQ&index=20
I really like Dvorak.
>>34667532
You appear to have me confused with someone else.
>>34667717
>Dvorâk
One of the greatest composers of his generation.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS7DBUgtG7s
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7liLg1yqqvc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5W4ieuQLOg
>>34668081
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyknBTm_YyM&list=FLmsS2p0M1fHZsHon7jGk1YQ&index=21
Here is also a music i particulary appreciated. But i don't have much more, i just began to get interested into classical music.
>>34668081
Are you joking?
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S48776011#p48786980
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S43731553#p43740844
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S45876611#p45879523
>>34668322
You might like www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAqJLXmjZOY
Nah, I'm just kidding around, although that song does take its melody from the Saint-Saëns organ concerto.
Have you heard www.youtube.com/watch?v=22MPF0HGKuY yet?
>>34660541
OP pic guy's name is Rob Witbeck Lives in Massachusetts
>>34668589
While those posters appears to be witty and to have good taste, I am not sure what their connection is to me.
>>34668802
Let's fuck with him.
>>34668905
>posts a pic of CLT in OP
>posts CLT's guide
>posts small essays of CLT's favorite composers
>writing style is just like CLT's
>this >>34664690 has 1408463456599 as file
>same picture appears when searching in the archive https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S49202482#p49206596
>hurr not sure what their connection is to me
>he seems witty and intelligent though xD
Come on, CLT. Are you really trying to hide your identity? It won't happen.
>>34669317
>you will never be so witty, intelligent, and charismatic that a troupe of amateur internet detectives and conspiracy theorists follows you from board to board attempting to pin your identity to unrelated events
>they will never do it for free
>>34669612
Hehe, it was pretty obvious. The file search was really just to piss you off because I for some reason remembered that Nazi feel face, probably because I liked and saved the image.
And it wasn't off-topic/unrelated. I asked why you've been shitposting whenever Wagner and Mahler has been mentioned in /classical/ threads.
>>34660541
What about folk music, OP?
>>34660996
I warmly recommend Clemens von Papa's work, the ensamble performing it is absolutely astonishing.
>>34669988
I'm just yanking your chain (but if you were actually wondering, the reason I post anonymously on this board is because trips aren't well received on other boards compared to on /mu/).
Re: Wagner, I legitimately agree with Rossini's assessment pictured at left. I've seen the Ring cycle and T&I and Parsifal and they're gorgeous at times, but also exhausting. When I "shitpost" about Wagner, I try to reserve it for when someone has implied that Wagnerian tragedies are intrinsically better than comedies and/or Italian opera, which happens a lot. That's probably why it seems like I hate Wagner, even though I don't.
Mahler on the other hand I've just never much cared for. I dunno why.
>>34670094
Whose folk music? Pic related is one of my favorite albums, even though it isn't Western.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXU4zEogxAQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0emaApDymzg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWCNIsyJd9s
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYVVGItalKc
>>34670533
The Brabant Ensemble, you mean? Yeah, they're based as fuck.
>>34670660
Fair enough, dude. I didn't want to destroy this thread if that's what it seemed like.
>>34671233
Nah, you're good.
>>34664430
Don't forget that Allegri's Miserere Mei Deus is the piece that inspire Mozart to become a composure instead of a virtuoso. Very important piece imho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDRoL7ziDP4
>>34671637
>Allegri's Miserere Mei Deus is the piece that inspire Mozart to become a composure instead of a virtuoso.
I had never heard this story. Where did you read that?
>>34670660
based Rossini...also, I love his "style" when it comes to music.
>>34671698
However, none of them succeeded in capturing the beauty of the Miserere as performed annually in the Sistine Chapel.[citation needed] According to the popular story (backed up by family letters), the fourteen-year-old Mozart was visiting Rome, when he first heard the piece during the Wednesday service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miserere_%28Allegri%29
Try to find translation of the family letters. He said his father was pushing him to become a virtuoso, but the joy he found in transcribing miserere convinced him to become a composure instead
>>34661846
>>34662885
>>34663479
>>34664147
>>34665202
>>34666962
Thanks for this, and more would be appreciated.
A personal favorite of mine is Josquin. Then Brahms would be my 2nd favorite composer tied with Schubert.
>>34671886
Oh wow, I'd actually heard that story on http://www.amazon.com/Mozarts-Magnificent-Voyage-Ta-Classical-Kids/dp/B0000061XX/ref=sr_1_31?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1408997412&sr=1-31, which I had when I was a little kid, but until now I'd thought it was just apocryphal.
>>34671876
What I love about Rossini's operas is that you don't need to understand the language to understand the jokes.
>>34672394
Ah, based Brahms. Have you got favorite pieces of his?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVBMhP0UcdU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMHAhzKFhKU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=62re4C2PSCU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUioxhzXEZ0
>>34673156
The first link you posted is probably my favorite. I know it isn't very controversial, but holy fucking God it's just so good. Especially "Denn alles Fleisch, es ist wie Gras".
>www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUioxhzXEZ0
Damn, haven't even listened to this yet. What's it like?
>>34664430
What are your 3 favorite Mozart symphonies?
>>34673795
That's not my favorite recording (my favorite is by Thomas Quasthoff on the same CD as Schwanengesang) but the pieces are excellent.
>>34673877
33 38 and 40
>>34674234
You're quite the Mozart fan (lel why wouldn't you be), is Amadeus a good movie? I'm thinking of watching it tonight.
>>34668905
https://www.jewbook.com/rob.witbeck
Lives in Burlington, Vermont
From Billerica, Massachusetts
http://robwitbeck.com/about-me/
He is also an SJW game developer he probably wants to fuck Zoey.
champlain college burlington vermont
Who is CLT ?
>>34676198
your worst nightmare
>>34670094
Not Op but many composers wrote great folk-esk inspired music too. The popular one being catches.
Henry Purcell wrote many fun catches:
Tis Women makes us drink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXm7tUse03E
Once, twice, thrice I Julia tried:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvmX12dRP7E
Come let us drink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvmX12dRP7E
John Dowland is another great composer (Also if you like Sting he recorded a nice album of his songs
Come Again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55jnH3rqcoU
In Darkness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym1kWj1TwkU
All ye whom love:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwh7VhqJCB8&index=14&list=FLDdp8ckFL7CQhLcTTQH9ZLw
>>34676541
Ok so CLT is Rob Witbeck of Burlington Vermont formerly of Billerica Massachusetts?
>>34670660
Then, what are your favorite "moments" in Wagner's music?
>>34661595
>kaczynski
>right wing
>>34676965
He's the biggest tripfag on /mu/, and probably in the top 3 of the greatest 4chan trips.
https://www.youtube.com/user/robertwitbeck
I am pretty sure CLT is this Witbeck faggot. He is a band fag for sure.
>>34677226
It doesn't get less CLT than this. 1/10
>>34677648
The pic in OP I am 99% sure is Witbeck. CLT is http://pastebin.com/57ScEEPP this guy ? Is there a fake CLT?
>>34660541
Was a nice Country thread the other day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHWifZy7sw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCXQycyN_Vs
Am I a pleb for liking Tchaikovsky? Anyone here have any opinions of his work? I'm just getting into classical, and am loving both of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkw_Wi4yIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSf8uF5UE-U
>>34678743
I also listen to a fair bit of Chopin, and Ralph Vaughan Willimans, particularly Songs of Travel.
This thread needs some Handel! Or can you not handel his rich masterpieces? Sorry but I couldn't resist!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TGKJ9MgCOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSAd3NpDi6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7vJ2UFbeXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfiAsWR4qU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiXgOQ9_-RI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuw8YjSbKd4
>>34675312
It is a fantastic movie, albeit wildly inaccurate.
>>34677068
>dum dummmm dum *Tristan chord* *ambiguous noncadence*
>>34679197
Needs more Theodora www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6IBUhHVcM8
>>34678743
>liking Tchaikovsky
>>34680063
I don't understand, are you calling me gay or something?
>classical music
/lit/ here you all have horrible taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdZR3deNdI
CLT fuck off back off to /mu/. Your type is not welcome here
>>34662090
Classical music is the best though, you plebatron
>>34668802
Don't think it is, but his current facebook name is Rikard Graeyjoy
CLT?
>>34677176
Stop dropping trip CLT
>look at me I listen to classical music, I'm so fancy!
Pro tip retards, nothing separates classical from shit like Nicki Minaj, except for tastes.
Your music selection is completely subjective. Nothing makes it "better" than other music.
>pic related, all of you
>>34680340
Maurice Ravel great band
>>34680885
>there are people who actually believe this
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Thanks for le trolling me :^)
Hi OP, great thread. My personal favourite is Satie, he's done some amazing works. Both the more publically known as Gnossienne & Gymnopedie, but also stuff like Petite ouverture a danser & les binocles are so good.
Satie /pol/-approved?
>>34681015
Tell me what makes your music better than Justin Bieber.
>>34680159
L'art pompier, literally "Fireman Art", is a derisive late-nineteenth-century French term for large "official" academic art paintings of the time, especially historical or allegorical ones. It derives from the helmets with horse-hair tails, worn at the time by French firemen, which are similar to the Greek-style helmets[disambiguation needed] often worn in such works by allegorical personifications, classical warriors, or Napoleonic cavalry.[1] It also suggests half-puns in French with Pompéin ("from Pompeii"), and pompeux ("pompous"). Pompier art was seen by those who used the term as the epitome of the values of the bourgeoisie, and as insincere and overblown.
>>34681070
Tell me a bit about Justin Bieber's music first. I'm not that familiar with it. Why is it laudable and is worthy of my listening time?
>>34680885
>"better"
Whom are you quoting?
>>34681033
Yeah, Satie wrote some great pieces.
>>34680885
>Look at me I listen to classical music, I'm so fancy
Who are you quoting?
>>34680885
>Critical theory of music
>My jungle beats that are replicated daily at nigger schools are just as good as anything else
>>34680885
But I don't have le ebin anonymous mask...
>>34679956
The opening of Tristan und Isolde, right? Damn it's been long since I've listened to anything from him.
>>34679956
It's not really a "non-cadence" though. Dissonance resolves briefly to consonance, before moving back to dissonance
>>34681101
Pompous ay? Well I say i'd give you a right good walloping if we were ever to meet, what what. A good bout of fisticuffs would show you what for, old boy!
>>34681575
>Dissonance resolves briefly to consonance, before moving back to dissonance
That's why it isn't a cadence.
>>34681258
You.
>>34681266
Oh please. Nothing makes your sounds better than someone else's. It's all opinions.
>>34666962
>Although he wrote chamber music which foreshadows Debussy's, both of which are quite good
FTFY
Is the Second Viennese school allowed, or is that too degenerate?
Also Webern was an avid supporter of the Nazis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQmXU-XMCIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9-ePWEW6WE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZelEcPZU8A
>>34661330
Fuck off ya cunt. Howard Goodall is a full-blown Kike who roundly denigrated Wagner's work and trivialized his far-reaching influence in this. Additionally he goes on a long tirade about Nazis and "muh six gorillian" and reaches the uneducated conclusion that Mahler was a superior composer. In this very series no less, where he actually orchestrates Lady Gaga's Pokerface as an introduction to one of the episodes. Besides being the usual kind of kike who cannot help but make a political issue of everything and generally be a shit-disturber, he has terrible taste. He is an aesthetic relativist buffoon who thinks Beethoven's Eroica, On Blueberry Hill, and probably California Girls are all of equal artistic merit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvzXcxyyhc0
Tl;dr Even if you like Jews, Howard Goodall is still a piece of shit.
>>34684009
God I wanna fuck Anna Netbreko so fucking bad
>>34660541
Frederick II the Great, flute sonata XI (D-minor), Pak Di Na, 13 y.o.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z43fB74XtUw
>>34663479
He just wrote more folk inspired stuff. That was a well established concept in the romantic period
>>34666962
>foreshadows Debussy's chamber music
>Would even be a stretch to say it foreshadows Faure's
CLT stop trying to comment onr music you haven't the slightest clue about.
>>34686274
>English , writing in 1948, suggested that Claude Debussy's String Quartet, also in G minor, was either consciously or subconsciously modelled on Grieg's quartet.
But I suppose you'd know better than musicologist Gerald Abraham.
>>34668672
Ravel sounds exactly nothing like Saint Saens especially and particularly least of all when the Saint Saens is Danse Macabre
>>34661595
Stop reposting this list, Hayek is as liberal as you can get.
>>34680282
>driving an American Car
>Paying Nigger's wages and supporting the GM bail-out
>The work seems to be influenced by the style of César Franck. The result is a cyclic structure with the four movements connected by thematic material. Other influences include Borodin and Javanese gamelan music.
Debussy acknowledged the wonderful Grieg as one of his influences, but there are others as well, Borodin's is definitely most prominent.
>>34687251
oops meant for this>>34686426
>>34683726
Even though Schoenberg was a Jew I am not of the belief he was trying to ruin music as part of some monolithic kike campaign to ruin western culture. He truly came along at a time where it seemed difficult to innovate and not simply emulate other composers. And in fact according to Theodore Adorno Schoenberg's compositional style was ultimately more Authentic than Stravinsky's which was to compose music from prefabricated elements, a structuralist approach which probably culminated in the work of the American Minimalists. And we all know how awful and soulless that music is. But Berg is by far the greatest serialist
>>34687326
>a structuralist approach which probably culminated in the work of the American Minimalists
I disagree with this sentiment, but
>But Berg is by far the greatest serialist
No arguments here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucVMj0zoHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgx5R3mePHA
>Even though Schoenberg was a Jew I am not of the belief he was trying to ruin music as part of some monolithic kike campaign to ruin western culture
He was actually incredibly nationalistic of his homeland before the rising surge of antisemitism spawned by Zionists in Europe.
He thought of himself German before he was a jew during his early years before his invention of dodecaphonic music
>>34686426
Hmm, interesting. Still it hardly captures the aesthetic of Debussy's chamber work as a whole. In fact that could not be done with a single piece. He was even daring enough to write most of his Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp in the Locrian mode. The least consonant mode of the seven and hardly ever used for this reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9frKtO0nRn8
>>34687612
>*a structuralist approach which probably culminated in the work of the American Minimalists, And we all know how awful and soulless that music is
>>34687639
>>34687251
One wonders what you people think foreshadow means.
>>34687684
Yep, thats what I said alright.
>>34687757
Fuck I'm drinking so whatever
>>34687770
I meant to disagree with my above post, Glass is awful, but I love Part, Gorecki, Reich, Riley, and Adams
>>34660541
Is animal collective degenerate?
>>34687757
It was more the implication of what CLT said. That it foreshadowed Debussy's chamber music but was actually good. He is basically saying that Grieg did what debussy did but better. I was merely correcting this vault in logic.
>>34687849
How is Adams any better than Glass? How is Reich not the best of all of them? How is Part not nearly as poor as Glass except for some renaissance polyphony thrown in?
>>34687899
Grieg is better than Plebussy tho
>>34687977
>Plebussy
Lovin' those hot "BUZZ-words"
>>34687975
>How is Adams any better than Glass?
Adams is twenty times better than Glass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH2yfw-UkI0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08L53I2GIo8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7r8XV1bylY
>How is Part not nearly as poor as Glass except for some renaissance polyphony thrown in
he's not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-J8LNcZgTA
>>34688047
Most people only know him by his Suite bergamasque and Twillight cameo, if they actually took their time and listen to his 2nd book of Preludes, Etudes, late sonatas, and Pelleas, they'd realize what an amazing composer he is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_-Z8Izy6ek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRBbQJ1Ilk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuUa1-WqzZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AEr8OHdK_A
>>34688502
/pol/ isn't /mu/. No one likes this Tumblr shit.
>>>/lgbt/
Holy Fuck Glass totally ripped off Part in the opening movement of this String Quartet. Of course this is the one good part before he falls into his usual modal poppy trash.
>>34688694
Lel, CLT stop making it so obvious, at least bait a little harder
>>34688772
Glass is shit. It's unfair when a man like Gershwin dies so early in his prime while a fucking kike like Glass is free to live long enough to compose his shit and rape everybody's ears.
Bump, come on don;t let this thread die, the one on /mu/ barely has 20 posts
>>34689629
>yfw the politics board is better than discussing music than the music board
>yfw /classical/ is just a playground for edgy tripfags and their drones
Thread only lasted this much because /pol/ barely talk about western art music. Deak with it
>>34681575
>Dissonance resolves briefly to consonance, before moving back to dissonance
no it doesn't.
there is no consonance in the entire tristan chord complex, even though it may be interpreted as a half-cadence that is sequenced in diatonic thirds.
>>34687612
berg isn't "serialist", and neither is schoenberg.
>>34690821
>Deak with it
>>34687874
>>34690903
this is a good opportunity to ask again. Is Animal Collective degenerate? Does their style inherently promote a leftist ideology, because it has a psychedelic/dissociative sound? Or is it simply beautiful music?
>>34690836
>>34690893
OY VEY!
>>34691073
It's degenerate because it's simple entry level hipster trash that tries and fails to be 2deep4u. Now please stop shitting up the thread, the big kids are talking. Polite sage for off topic.
>>34691073
>There isn't much that I feel I need
>A solid soul and the blood I bleed
>But with a little girl, and by my spouse,
>I only want a proper house.
>I don't care for fancy things
>Or to take part in the freshest wave,
>But to provide for mine who ask
>I will, with heart, on my father's grave.
>I don't mean to seem like I
>Care about material things,
>Like a social status
>I just want
>Four walls and adobe slabs
>For my girls.
This is literally the opposite of degeneracy. This is crypto-traditional values being sold to leftist hipsters under the guise of drug music.
WHY ARE THE ENGLISH SO SHIT AT CLASSICAL MUSIC?
>>34691300
>He likes something I don't like.
>I'm going to accuse him of liking it to show off (hipster).
Yeah, no, faggot. I don't listen to music in public, and I don't act like a hipster. I just happen to like animal collective. The first time I heard it, I was watching a video of an old man smoking weed for the first time. The song Loch Raven played at the end. I loved it and spent a while trying to figure out what the song was. Feels and Spirit They're gone are my favorite albums, and MPP is good too.
I find it annoying that you aren't allowed to like something without being pigeonholed into a group or accused of liking it with ulterior motives.
Guess what, I'm an EE major and I also like dadrock. That doesn't mean I have to dislike animal collective. I have never even been to /mu/ extensively.
>>34691073
The song Amanita laments what has happened to psychedelic drugs when divorced from traditions and shamanism. AnCo's music has always sought to be something a little more than "woah man so trippy" music. Their lyrics are mostly about taking care of yourself.
Overall, they're not political enough to make a judgement call. They're fun and seem to advocate discovering yourself and the world around you.
So not degenerate, but not high art or anything either. I'd say they are the psychedelic band with the most grounded/healthy view of the world. Most other psychedelic bands seem to spawn swarms of hippies who mutter BS about shakras and vibes.
>>34691562
>The first time I heard it, I was watching a video of an old man smoking weed for the first time
Why do you care if it's degenerate music then? You obviously have no qualms about degenerate behavior in your own life. By the way when I say "entry level hipster trash", I mean it is trash that entry level hipsters listen to, not necessarily that you are yourself a hipster.
>>34691803
good, I always get the same vibe from them. They don't seem political, just mellow guys enjoying life and trying to perceive the world around them as much as possible. They might be liberals, but their music doesn't show it.
The other guys are cool, Panda Bear at least looks like he's a bit of a 2deep4u faggot.
>>34688694
Try to cram a few more internet locations in there would ya? Sure Debussy's music sounds fruity as fuck. Its certainly not for Fedoras who need something "heavy" like Shostakovich and cannot retain their madculinity in the face of Whole-Tone glissandos.
>>34660541
you are the ISIS of stereo-nazi
Gonna off-topic but what do you think about this statement classical listeners (related to metal)
"most influential musicians have been guitar players who have also studied classical music. Their appropriation and adaptation of classical models sparked the development of a new kind of guitar virtuosity [and] changes in the harmonic and melodic language of heavy metal."
"Kurt Bachmann of Believer has stated that "If done correctly, metal and classical fit quite well together. Classical and metal are probably the two genres that have the most in common when it comes to feel, texture, creativity."
>>34689043
Gershwin fucking sucked too.
Toosooncore:
Mozart
Schubert
Mendelssohn
Chopin
Von Weber
Scriabin
>>34688772
Based Part
>>34691946
I just thought the video was interesting. He was using it medically.
inb4 "muh no medical uses"
We've been over this plenty, there are medical uses for many cannabinoids, and they are backed by biochemical logic. I would support the use of extracted or synthesized cannabinoids more so than smoking weed, however, smoking weed itself isn't really that bad. There's no conclusive evidence that it can cause any permanent alteration in brain function, and it is actually neutral in cancer, even lung cancer, because of the anti tumour and anticancer properties of some cannabinoids.
So no, even though I don't smoke, I don't consider medical use, or responsible recreational use, degenerate.
I don't condone xxDD le rebbit /r/trees 420blzItFGT ebin stuff
How much different is having a little toke than having a little mead after a long day's work being master race?
>>34661846
Haha, he looks like a 19th century hipster in that portrait. My sides.
>>34692210
Ah sorry forgot to post link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE1mCjPrH6o
>>34692009
>assigning gender roles in music
Nigga we be free in art form, stop trying to go all dick and pussy in something that relives us of that sheeeeit
>>34692009
>for Fedoras
pic related
>>34692058
That quote sounds like something you could read on ANUS.
That said, skilled metal musicians can produce good music as long as someone else composes it for them.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZuSaudKc68
>>34692302
Put ur trip back on Calcium
>>34692224
thats because scgubert is a 19th century hipsdter
>>34692682
>you will never wake up on your painter friend's sofa at noon, scribble some masterpieces on a napkin while you wait for your breakfast, and then head down to the tavern and drink all night and break shit while complaining about how you're dying of syphilis
>>34692224
>pretended to be poor
>liked lele so avant-garde music (Beethoven's late string quartets, Mozart, and Haydn)
>faked his own death
>Ironically got an STD
>smoked tons of weed and blazed it on 4/19
>nobody heard of his friends that champoined his music
Shubert is a proto hipster
>>34692842
shut up CLT, I'm still gonna rape your sister
>ctrl+f: oldest
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpxN2VXPMLc
>>34662090
WHY DO PEOPLE CARE ABOUT CLT OR ANYTHING HE HAS TO SAY OR DO
HE IS JUST ANOTHER FUCKING TRIPFAG
>>34692971
Sounds fresh
>>34693104
Read the OP image.
>>34664430
>not Beethoven
SHIGGY DIGGY
H
I
G
G
Y
D
I
G
G
Y
>>34692971
>non-degenerate music thread
>sand nigger tunes
>>34693147
That only tells me he is some sort of euphoric man child and not worthy of consideration of any kind.
>>34667532
>Schoenberg
*tips fedora so hard it tears a void in space and time and sucks in all patricians like us le good sirs to live in an atonal utopia where it doesn't actually sound like total shit*
>>34693171
Beethoven vs. Mozart
Opera - Mozart
Chamber music - Tie
Symphonies - Beethoven
Choral music - Mozart
Concerti - Mozart
Solo keyboard - Beethoven
Beethoven: 2.5
Mozart: 3.5
Mozart wins.
>>34693234
I think you may have autism :/
>>34693171
Fuck off faggot
>muh minor key compositions
>muh arppegiated minor chords
>muh form
>muh music full of meaning because it's sad
>muh E-flat/C
>>34693357
>I know! I'll call him autistic. People hate being called autistic!
>>34693357
>34693357
>>34693486
Fuck off CLT under the guise of Ame who is shark biting CLT's opinions
>>34661595
>/lit/ guide to right-wing literature
>from a board where posting any sentence expressing an opinion to the right of the average MSLSD anchor gets you an instantaneous ban
Why am I not believing this poster?
>>34693385
>posts "that" and tells other people to fuck off
Good one
>>34693357
>posting that same shit
Nope. Don't you fucking link me to the dissonance quartet, Beethoven's late quartets blows the fuck out of any generic major key slop Mozart shat out.
>>34693385
>he thinks Beethoven's music is most commonly defined as being sad
>>34693357
So far this is the only one of these that makes some sense. Congratulations faggot
>>34693619
>I don't listen to music in major keys because it isn't euphoric enough for my classy tastes
>>34693776
I listen to music in major keys all the time. Music in the same C major key with the same form and chords and ending and all samey? Nope.
>>34693385
But Mozart's greatest work is a minor-key composition.
>>34693846
WRONG FAGGOT HE DIDN;T WRITE THE REQUIEM
>>34693835
>Music in the same C major key with the same form and chords and ending and all samey
... ?
>>34693385
>Most famous work is called Ode to Joy
>Beethoven is so sad
Yessir
>>34693891
Psst I was actually talking about Symphony 40
>>34693619
he's right you know jpeg.
>>34694004
G3BED HAMPUS
>>34693898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9M4eKDgn5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7251ShkN5M
What stands out about these pieces? What makes them unique in any way, even from each other?
>need something for the left hand
>hmmm just throw in some alberti bass
>liking Berlioz
>liking Boulez
Liking boulioz
top kek faggots nice shit taste
classical is ok but I never got too much into it, my tastes are varied but what I've always felt I loved was an intensive use of the viola, I do not mean that they focus on the use of the viola but how they use it. Are there any compositions/composers that focus on the viola greatly?
>>34694116
>immature concerti demonstrating anything substantial
Let's try this again.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2uYb6bMKyI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UniXSQYJd-k
>>34694356
>Let's try this again.
Let's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4pJxad_aI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlCGX4_3C3M
>>34694356
>linking the same recording of the same composition twice in one thread
CLT you lazy fuck. You could have posted 23 or 27 you know
>>34694441
>proving my point for me
Thanks I guess.
Are you a /pol/ ally CLT?
I always assumed you were a SJW/leftist type since you came from /mu/.
>>34694441
CLT getting BTFO
>>34694463
This guy is really hung up on the key of C major for some reason, so I chose contrasting C major compositions.
>>34694493
If your point is that those Beethoven concertos are better than those Mozart concertos you're entirely right.
>>34694502
>mu
>sjw
it's normalfag central alright but if you ignore those guys that are into nigger music they're actually racist (in my experience), it's just that mods ban any hint of it over there which is why they just don't voice it
the only one you're safe to assume is sjw is /co/
>>34661595
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_a_Mask
Get this shit out of my sight.
>>34694557
It's not me obsessed with C major, it's Mozart.
>>34694572
And /lgbt/
>>34694566
>those Beethoven concertos are better than those Mozart concertos
(not true, by the way)
>>34694566
Actually, my point was that you'd attempt to change the subject rather than perform a thematic analysis to verify your claim of "the same form and chords and ending and all samey", since I expect the latter is beyond your abilities.
>>34694730
Well the thing is I don't actually care about what you have to say.
>>34694623
Except that's wrong.
>>34694806
>Well the thing is I don't actually know what I'm talking about
ftfy
Typical Mozart hater demonstrating why Mozart is underrated.
>>34695054
>mediant functioning as predominant in a Mozart piece
Confirmed for theory illiterate.
>>34694730
Taking a look at the sheet music:
Tempo markings are Allegro, Andante, Allegro and Allegro, Andante, Allegretto
Second movement is in the subdominant for both of them.
They both open with some staccato like tunes.
They both make frequent use of a short short short long rhythm, either 3 eighth notes and a quarter or a triplet of sixteenths and a quarter.
The first movement for both ends on C, but that's obvious and justified.
First movement for both is in sonata form
Third movement is in rondo form
Only second movements have different forms
First movement for both in common time, finale of both in 2/4
Both end with rapid scales before coming to an ending with 3 chords. One has an up up (same note) down motion and the other has an down up down.
Probably trills and alberti bass and scales all over the place but I'm not going to scour the sheet music.
Other than that, there's nothing really innovative about those pieces, or lasting and memorable. Beethoven had his fair share of non innovative pieces but even those early works stretched the formulas. When Beethoven did innovate, he did so far more than Mozart.
Et cetera.
>>34695054
Should be subdominant instead of mediant but essentially right.
>>34695525
This isn't a thematic analysis.
>Should be a completely different chord but still essentially right.
kek
>>34662090
>classical music
>somehow the 'best' music
Yes, it is.
>I hate people who know little about music.
So, you hate yourself?
>>34695741
No one ever claimed they had the same themes. It does point out patterns in rhythm.
>>34695898
That is not what a thematic analysis does.
>>34695741
>step up
>completely different
>>34695741
>Should be a completely different chord but still essentially right.
His broader point that the music is formulaic seems to stand.
>>34662090
>attacking people without sticking out your own neck
What a complete faggot. You get to feel like you "won" by "telling us off", but safely avoid making specific arguments that we can refute. You're not fooling anyone.
>>34695942
>Thematic analysis is the most common form of analysis in qualitative research.[1] It emphasizes pinpointing, examining, and recording patterns (or "themes") within data.[2]
>>34695959
In terms of harmonic function? Absolutely, iii and IV are completely different.
>>34695997
>the music is formulaic
The problem is that this is a meaningless generalization.
>>34696008
Here is an example diagram of the first movement of K.550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gG0j-35Mgk&index=4&list=PLA874AE4E911D1479
Is modern art music "regenerate"? synthesis of old and new, both in forms styles and instruments.
>>34696577
/jazz/->
>>34696483
>In terms of harmonic function? Absolutely, iii and IV are completely different.
Hello, why are we discussing music theory on /pol/?
You're correct, the iii is a mediant chord, it's rarely used besides going to and from the tonic chord, some people analyse this as simply a prolongation of the tonic chord and thus not a chord in itself.
The IV chord, on the other hand, is frequently used to set up a dominant chord (or predominant chord, thus its name as the "subdominant" chord) before a cadence, such the overused progression of I IV V.
>>34696651
Ke
I kind of like Jazz. I think performing harmonic analysis in a Jazz style (ie, pretending harmony is simply choosing a bunch of chord) is very misguided in some times. Many chord progressions, especially those written between Bach and Wagner, were actually written contrapuntally with only some allusions/wariness of harmonic function. Even something like Wagner was still written more contrapuntally than harmonically, which doesn't quite seem like it since he abused the fuck out of chromaticism, but it's still mostly contrapuntal.
It wasn't until the 20th century did counterpoint kind of go out of style, and the reasons for this were more functional than anything. It's near impossible to improvise to contrapuntal music in a free style, the most you can do is adlib and fill in spots. I'll explain this better if anyone cares.
>>34696651
>>34696952
Psathas is a proper classical composer, I'm sure he writes with careful attention to harmonic function. A sax concerto is always going to sound pretty jazzy, but its written from a contemporary composition perspective by a guy who specializes in virtuosic pieces.
He often makes use of microtones and greek/middle eastern scales. Does very interesting work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHI2xyyH-CU
>>34696952
>thus its name as the "subdominant" chord
No, it's called the subdominant because its root is four scale degrees below the tonic whereas the dominant's root is four scale degrees above the tonic.
Please do not spew misinformation. It's bad enough with one guy itt who won't stop doing it.
>>34696483
The chords don't have to exactly the same for the music to be similar.
>>34697267
Stop talking about yourself
>>34697497
see >>34693835
>same C major key with the same form and chords and ending and all samey
>same form and chords
>>34697548
>n-no u
>>34670660
T&I is far from exhausting
The Ring Cycle is a damn mess, though.
>>34697648
I think that anon was slightly exaggerating. Not everything is always literal. That's a symptom of autism.
>>34697732
That anon was ignorant. Even a simple Wikipedia search would have provided enough information to debunk his claims, yet apparently that amount of background research was more than he could stomach.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_piano_concertos#The_Mozartian_concept_of_the_piano_concerto
>>34697963
That article says he developed his formula for concertos and stuck to it, which is in line with what others said about it being formulaic
>>34698065
It literally says the opposite.
>His resulting solutions are varied (, apart from at a broad level) and complex.
>none of the mature series is really similar to any of the others structurally
Am I the only literate person in here?
Nordic bump
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKhCHvaAc3o
>>34698514
>It literally says the opposite
As opposed to metaphorically saying it? Retard.
>>34700807
>implying such a thing is not possible
Diversions aside, you acknowledge that I've been correct all along?
>>34700956
About what?
>>34701111
Your scroll button busted?
>>34660541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHpDOWhkGk
>>34701727
>not Casals
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZpZ24r5sI
What do you guys think of Gerald Donald aka Heinrich Mueller's projects?
Dopplereffekt
Der Zyklus
Arpanet
Etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf4UNJqv_-A
Bach (Karl Richter) based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhRa3REdozw
Bach Little fugue on pipes
Very well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8oFe5bkeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mf3SQ3dVz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgh8CzHPKok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11W7c4-M0IM
>>34691380
You actually like AnCo?
What does /pol/ think of Béla Bartók?
>>34700547
Best Sibelius symphony
>>34696577
Fuck off, poly.
>>34703326
Bartók's great. Those string quartets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtMWaaaWFQo
>>34670660
>Mahler on the other hand I've just never much cared for. I dunno why.
He's a Jew. I like him anyway
>>34703185
Some. But the question was is AnCo degenerate, and the answer is no for the reasons I stated.
>>34703326
6, the one I posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiyoLa9z1ao
Wagner's highs excuse his stretches of mediocrity.
