Do animals feel pain? Should they have rights?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSpFsTJ3In8&index=66&list=PLNE24O78h_V-MpyaF7TPij4KOfzpaW7Mm
>>34005902
holy shit
>>34005902
Related
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201306/universal-declaration-animal-sentience-no-pretending
More related
http://www.livescience.com/39481-time-to-declare-animal-sentience.html
yes
no
hit mute on the video
if it doesn't have the same impact as it does with the sound on, then the music is what gives you feels not the content of the video
do this for all peta/ an rights faggotry and you'll start to see that its the music thats giving you feels, because you've been programmed that way
>>34005902
Fucking yellow monkeys
>tfw being eaten alive by a chink, and have to watch it happen
>>34005998
dumb fuck
>>34006031
nice argument faggot
mind explaining why?
>>34006026
Well usually in nature, the hunters don't wait for you to die from old age.
>>34006051
yes
because you're a stupid shit
>>34005902
Are they humans?
No
Then, there you go rights were created by humans for humans.
>>34006127
how?
eat shit peta faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubxppdxfx0w
its a commen know tactic of propaganda to use sound to try and get people to react the way you want them to
the video i posted shows what shit really like
You retards do know that the frog is already dead, and that those are muscle spasms, right?
>>34005902
I think it's our job as a superior species to look after animals. If we're going to eat them, we should at least ensure they have as much a quality of life as we can afford them and give them painless, respectful deaths.
>>34006171
ignorant peasant
>>34006204
>that shit posting
>>>/b/
^ this is where you belong
>>34006174
Not entirely, they cut the upper torso so it could still feel pain directly into his "brain".
You have to think that to kill a brain takes a while unitl it runs out of oxygen. I guess that the best form of kill its breaking the spinal cord or directly damaging the brain so the animal have a quicker death.
Hitler thought so and #Hitlerwasright
>>34006176
You know that not all animals have the same nervous system, right?
Its difficult to say that a jellyfish suffers equally to an elephant or a human.
>>34006230
>>>/lgbt/
^ that's where you belong, cumgargling buttpirate
Do asians hate animals or something? What's with them?
>>34005902
>Do animals feel pain?
Only the ones with Nociceptors.
>Should they have rights?
No.
>>34006330
different culture
>>34006330
PAIN MAKEU ANIMAR FRESHU
>>34005902
poor frog
>fucking gooks
>>34006346
culture doesn't instill empathy in the general population.
asians are particularly cruel to animals. never seen those crush "porn" videos?
>>34006268
I'm speaking more in terms of more complex animals. Jellyfish are probably more on the level of fungus than an actual animal.
Still, science could prove us wrong I suppose.
>>34005902
>>34005803
>>34006320
>>34006096
well usually in nature the hunter kills it's prey before consuming it.
>>34005902
>Do animals feel pain?
Yes
>Should they have rights?
No.
>>34006415
impressive fucking comeback, memelord
>>34005902
Jesusfucking Christ
Ive killed my own food before but always give it the absolute most merciful death while being extremely thankful for the transfer of energy I will get from eating it.
That lack of empathy... Is fucking barbaric
If you eat an animal, it deserves a quick, painless death.
The fact that some people torture animals disgusts me. It really shows one's true character when they do shit like that.
God azn's are disgusting, at least white people have the decency to kill the animals before they eat them.
>>34006438
Usually the hunter kills it's prey WHILE consuming it.
Ever seen a bear eat a salmon?
>yfw chinks believe an animal in pain tastes better
You're aware if animal pain and rights is aknowledged, live mice feeding to snake and reptile will be banned in Europe and US?
At least the Chinese don't do it for fun
Things with nervous systems feel pain, but it's not just feeling that matters when it comes to ethics. Not all animals would have ever evolved an emotional response to pain like humans have.
What benefit would reacting to pain emotionally have for a lobster? It only benefits from the physical response to pain.
Social animals with higher brain functions react physically and with intense dislike, fear, etc.
Its dead when he is holding it before he even cuts it you retards
ITT: People not reading the two links I posted at the start of the thread. Please do before commenting.
not even mudslimes and jews desrve to be killed with this method, holy shit, fucking chinks
>>34006504
or ya know, you could look at most any other predator and see that they kill before they consume.
It's in the predators best interest to make sure the prey is dead before they start eating, otherwise they risk injury. Bears can kind of ignore this because not many animals can put up enough of a fight to seriously injure a bear.
>>34006159
Yea but going out of your way to cause any living thing pain, unless for a very valid reason, is fucking... Well I'm not trying to appeal to morals because that's subjective... But aside from very few animals most predators kill their prey as quickly as possible. The fucking slanteyes maybe be intelligent but they are just as animalistic as the fucking niggers
>>34006438
>well usually in nature the hunter kills it's prey before consuming it.
You wish..., but no
>You will never be eaten alive by a qt chink
>>34006365
Asians seem only to be kind to animals that have mystical ideals about them, such as birds that are meant to bring luck or prosperity.
Every other animal can go to hell though. Dolphins are only big fish that steal from fishermen, bears are only bile factories to be harvested from, elephants are only good for begging money off stupid tourists while in chains, and so on and so forth. It actually amazes me just how little they respect animals despite how heavily they feature in their art and mythology.
>>34006621
Deranged degenerate spotted
>>34005902
>Do animals feel pain?
Yes. Every organism with a central nervous system feels pain.
>Should they have rights?
No. Apart from the security of existence as a species, they shouldn't have any rights.
>>34005902
How new are you fags, that same video is years old.
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtFeheK9jrQ
That's the same restaurant, the owner says around 6:30 he's no longer allowed to sell live frog.
>Supreme Gentlemen
>>34005998
this.
i didnt watch the video but I agree with the ad comment.
>>34006026
animals have evolved to go into shock very easily as most of them die by being eaten alive.
>>34006728
>mfw how shall they evolve if they are eatin alive?
>>34006612
kind of like a human eating a frog then
>>34006438
so beyond wrong. most animals simply incapacitate their prey so they can begin eating. as I said before, most animals go into shock very easily and don't feel much of anything.
>>34005902
These fucking gooks don't even have the decency to kill it before flaying and chopping it to bits. Disgusting sociopathic sub-humans.
>>34006438
Hyenas and wolves seem to eat prey while it's still alive, but their way of attacking is vastly different from other animals such as cats who can't adapt so easily if they're injured.
Animals aren't normally compassionate, but they can't really afford it.
>>34006612
absolutely incorrect. all the predator has to do is incapacitate its prey. see lions hunting zebra/gazelle, they take out the legs. are you telling me the lion's next bite is always the jugular? if so, you are so very wrong.
>>34006823
they also don't know better. an animal doesn't know how to painlessly kill another animal....
>>34005902
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LKD8vGR6iw
>>34006176
I agree with you anon.
Although animals do not have the higher level thinking to be able to understand a concept of rights, they should be treated with respect and dignity.
Their meat is necessary for our survival as per he food chain, but as you said,
>we can afford them and give them painless, respectful deaths.
as we harvest their flesh.
We need another Hiroshima. They're asking for it.
>>34006438
You never heard how a spider kills.
Have you ever seen a mouth or a proboscid in a spider? Teeths or something similar to a tonge?
No?
Well, thats because if you think humans are cruel spiders are the focking Nero of the animal world, they make Mengele look like a fucking pussy or the guacamole bay a vacation trip.
First the spiders cacht up their prey, wether they do it in their perfectly structured web or stalking in the shadows silently and patiently waiting for an oportunity, they're supreme hunters so when they put their eyes on you you're fucking dead even before you can barely notice the fucking monster lurking from behind.
First they will inject the poison, thats because they're pretty weak and can't just put a propper fight but this only makes them even deadlier hunting machines.
At this point if you're lucky the venom will kill you if not... well welcome to hell on earth because the next steps are will make you wish die, they will put you into such pain that you would prefer to be in the fucking D-day if Stalingrad where at the coast and in Normandy.
Yes, because now the spider will start injecting his grastric juices directly into YOU, thats right those fuckers eats you from the fucking inside, you could feel how your own visceras are being slowly dissolved while you wacht those 8 eyes of pure psycopathy... there won't be no passion, no piety just a slow death while his fangs are still injecting his goo directly into you.
Oh, and don't expect the process to be slow, because spiders do their digestion INSIDE YOU and it will be hours and hours of just being dissolved and converted into pure nutrients for the spider.
Thats right, spiders are the fucking Asians of the animal world and you whine because these guys just eated a fucking toad alive?
Man you know nothing.
I went to the zoo the otherday, heaps of chinks there and all i could think was i bet they think 'that looks tasty'
>>34005902
Oh my fucking... what the?
Ok i'm far from beein a vegetarian but that legitimately pissed me off
I don't like that animals that we eat are sidelined into nothing more than the final product, and little thought is given to the animal that died for it. I'd prefer a culture where the animal was always well kept and even revered a little for its sacrifice, because it is life and it is sacred, and we shouldn't ignore that, but in the high volume consumerist world that just doesn't factor in. Communities should be in charge of their own livestock, and the slaughter should be a special thing.
>>34006943
Nah, when they're at the zoo they laugh at the animals being there for their entertainment.
>tiger is so strong, but now it sits in a cage where we can poke it with sticks and laugh!
>that reminds me to pick up some tiger claw powder on my way home
>>34006904
>>34005902
It dies on the initial stab, don't let the nerve activity and muscle contractions fool you.
>>34006612
>or ya know, you could look at most any other predator and see that they kill before they consume.
Please, name 'most other animals'. All an animal has to for an animal to consume it is incapacitation. And that's what happens most of the time. A tiger goes for the throat whenever it can, but otherwise a pack of them rip they're claws into or zebra or what have you, absolutely tearing it apart in the process.
Don't you dare fucking play the empathy card when nature itself does it, especially if you're a fucking Godless fedoratard. By the way, my family had an entire lamb today fresh off a spit in the backyard. You had to taste the softness of that meat...holy shit. Gotta try it if you can /pol/acks.
>>34005902
animals can feel hatred. We should have respect to kill humanely and as painlessly as possible.
>>34007305
Do you really think vultures wait for you to actually die? No, they wait for you to be completly helpless and totally weak to defend yourself.
And you think hyenas kill and then eat? No, they first eat because they go in packs and when they cacht their prey they don't have an actual need to incapacitate and then eat because they can do both.
And wolfs, lions, eagles? They don't care about other animals feelings, they just care about how much fight is the other going to do to survive.
If the other doesn't defend itself then they will skip step first and then eat.
It seems like you have never seen another animal eating and they eat while the other is screaming in pain and desperation.
You just need to bring a more objective look into this, don't see emotions, you must see mechanisms then you will understand nature much much better than the normal PETA guy.
>>34006463
>>34006340
>>34006159
>>34005998
>>34006686
Why are there so many autistic subhumans on /pol/ guys?
>>34007541
But I already agree with you m8. Why you sounding like I dont?
>>34007541
>>34006904
What happens in nature is utterly irrelevant to how humans can or should act.
>being this dumb
i hope that frog is in a better place now
They should have rights and liabilities.
Right to not be brutally tortured.
Liable of feeding us with delicious pork ribs.
Case solved.
>pain
Yes.
>rights
Don't exist.
>>34006605
Animals can be sentient and can feel pain : Nobody care about that. Do they have any value to us except being eaten ? No ? Well then we eat them. No one cares about the feels of animals right activists.
Rights are for humans neither because we are sentient, or smart. Rights are for humans because we invented the concept of rights, and we invented it because it is useful for human societies to grant rights to people. Right now there is no point in granting rights to any animal so we don't.
Animal lovers can keep wasting their time, this will never change. People don't want animals to be treated with cruelty but in the end they just don't care enough.
>>34007977
>>34007938
>more autistic subhumans enter the thread
Frog's nervous system is not advanced enough for me to care about it.
But with those chinks, it could be anything next. They're fucking insane.
>>34007994
*tips dismissive ad hominem*
lobsters have opioid receptors. meaning they must produce endorphins, or something similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_crustaceans
now why would they have those if they didn't feel pain?
>>34007888
>nazi trips of truth
/thread
It should be illegal to eat meat if you don't kill it yourself
>>34005902
>Do animales feel pain.
Of course they do. They fear pain, fear and suffer just like us.
>Should they have right?
They already do. What you should ask yourself is why we don't treat animals like they deserve.
>>34007697
>use nature as an example of how humans should act
>nature is utterly irrelevant to how humans can or should act
ok
>>34007994
If most people really wanted rights for animals, we would have granted them those rights. Stay mad or accept it, it's your problem.
>>34005902
Tortured food actually tastes a bit better because it releases certain hormones to the animal's bloodstream
Yes they feel pain. Rights depend on the animal. Do not place human emotions onto an animal's instinctual reactions. There is a difference between simply experiencing pain and actual comprehension of it. There is a hierarchy and humans are indisputably at the top.
>>34007697
>at least animals kill their prey before consuming it!
>nope
>what happens in nature is irrelevant to us!
It's very relevant to how we DO act, and as we are animals and part of nature it's obviously relevant to how we should act.
Rights are a human invention for interactions with each other, only recently applied to animals due to the luxury of the times we live in.
>>34007802
pepe is a devout christian
>>34008057
That sounds like a terrible idea. It's best left up to trained professionals with the proper equipment who know how to follow health and safety guidelines to kill animals.
>>34008057
It should be illegal to drive if you don't build the car yourself.
It should be illegal to use a computer, air-conditioning, soap, etc.
>>34005998
what the fuck, if youre not trollling get professional help, that is NOT normal human thinking
>>34005902
Who the fuck eats like that? Chomping to vigorously? when you eat something you enjoy you savor it, chew it slowly and enjoy it... fucking asian dog eating cunts
>>34008120
Nature isn't an example of how humans should act, nor should their actions be compared to nature.
>>34008015
>le fedora tip
See above, subhuman autist.
>>34008155
>ad populum fallacy
See above.
>>34008191
>It's very relevant to how we DO act, and as we are animals
Correct.
>and part of nature it's obviously relevant to how we should act.
Appeal to nature by way of non sequitur fallacy. Where we came from is utterly irrelevant to how we should act as rational, moral beings.
>Rights are a human invention for interactions with each other, only recently applied to animals due to the luxury of the times we live in.
LMFTFY:
>Rights are a human discovery of the way moral beings should treat other beings in the universe, with animals being recognized with some limited rights due to the moral progress of human civilization
>>34008018
I don't care, lobster tastes great and I'm gonna boil them alive until the day I die.
>>34006171
i dont have to be a vegetarian or peta guy to be disgusted and appaled at the frog video
Youre just trying to look like a super macho in a fucking ANONYMOUS board
>>34008276
none of these things possess consciousness
>>34008269
No, people would waddle up to the butcher's, select a live animal, look it into the eyes before they bolt it in the brain under the supervision of a trained professional and then the butcher cuts it up
yes goy feel sad for the poor pepes, emotion is what keeps us human :^)
>>34008391
Still a terrible idea. You know someone would fuck it up somehow and ruin it for everyone.
The logistics behind it sounds impossible anyway. Where do you expect the butcher to keep all the animals? What if people want cuts of meat that take some time to prepare or need time to cure? Is it one cow per person, which results in the waste of a perfectly good animal or will people need to book group sessions? How can you ensure safety and hygiene with members of the public constantly coming in and out?
It all just sounds like a recipe for disaster.
>>34008350
>Nature isn't an example of how humans should act, nor should their actions be compared to nature.
Precisely. And as sentient beings with morals, I can freely decide to feed myself with meat. Now fuck off.
>>34006904
Do insects feel pain, though? They're basically tiny biological robots.
>>34008756
>Where do you expect the butcher to keep all the animals?
In a pen or some domicile constructed for the purpose. Could be transported to premises according to demand.
>What if people want cuts of meat that take some time to prepare or need time to cure?
Do it at home, it's not hard. People have been doing it for thousands of years.
>Is it one cow per person, which results in the waste of a perfectly good animal or will people need to book group sessions?
Group sessions sounds great, you could probably have an internet meetup for slaughter. A feeling of community and bring the kids, let them stare life in the eye.
>How can you ensure safety and hygiene for members of the public constantly coming in and out?
I am sure there are sufficient technologies available for hygienic access control of customers
They do feel pain. But do they have a first person perspective that feels that pain?
At what point does something go from a mindless biological sensory-machine to a creature with consciousness of their sensory intake?
Only if they have that consciousness should they have rights.
>>34008978
>mindless biological sensory-machine
>a creature with consciousness of their sensory intake
If we are not careful, we will become option number one
watching animals in pain makes me feel bad.
so... yes, they should have rights in my opinion.
We should be able to eat them though
>>34008350
>ad populum fallacy
Rights are granted by humans and we are a majority that don't care that much about animal rights. The question "Should we give rights to animals?" leads to both questions "Do we have to give them rights ?" "Do we want to give them rights ?". For the moment it's no to both questions, so animal right activists are just wasting their time.
>Rights are a human discovery of the way moral beings should treat other beings in the universe, with animals being recognized with some limited rights due to the moral progress of human civilization
This is your opinion on the question "Have we invented rights or have we discovered them ?", keep it as what it is : your opinion. If you are happy with it then fine, just don't get mad about people don't agreeing with you.
Plus you say that
> Nature isn't an example of how humans should act, nor should their actions be compared to nature.
You just highlighted what's wrong with the idea of rights being a discovery. If rights were natural then nature would be a good example of how we should act. And when you say
>the way moral beings should treat other beings in the universe
You can't prove that. I'd like to see this guide of yours that explains how we should treat other beings in the universe.
>>34009106
>oops I lost my consciousness
>>34005998
I watched it muted and it still hit my feels bad
>>34005902
iirc the frog is already dead when they're eating it. The movements are caused by tightly coiled nerves attempting to relax. This is especially noticeable when soy sauce is poured on it as the salt ions make the nerves and muscles twitch more. It's like how a snake's body and head keep moving even after you have severed the head from its body. There's a .gif of a headless octopus that displays the same thing.
Still creepy as fuck, though.
>>34008892
Some spiders are large enough to eat lizards and birds, which are on par with frogs.
>>34006612
Baboons are the fucking worst. They start at the ass end and make their way up to the vital organs.
>Do animals feel pain?
you cant kno nuffin
>Should they have rights?
you cant kno nuffin
But, in all seriousness: yes, animals can feel pain; only outright idiotic anthropocentric romantics think they don't.
>tfw no Chinese QT to digest you
>>34005998
I think you might have autism to say that, pain obviously would evolve in other animals, it's like the most useful survival trait since reproduction.
>>34008892
And you're a large biological robot that has more errors in judgement leading to inefficient behavior and the squandering of resources on things not beneficial to your survival
>>34009705
I'm also supposed to live like 80 years, so feeling pain makes a lot more sense for me than for a bug that lives a month.
>>34005998
heared deadisland trailer music, instantmute
yes this shit is weird, but its just a fuckin frog.
Muslims praise cows (or pigs idk) like if they were gods and we eat them.
And yet some of you faggots whine about chinks eating dogs or frogs.
I personally find it disgusting but i dont think there is anything wrong with it.
>>34009624
this is true, however it did not evolve to our level so is it really 'pain'? or another in a set of self-preservation techniques their brains are hardwired to play out?
>>34006244
pretty sure simply breaking someones spine will not kill him.
>>34009892
>heared deadisland trailer music, instantmute
LOL NO SHIT?
CAN'T TROLL THE TROLLS
>>34009974
CANT CONTROL THE TROLLS
>>34009892
>Muslims praise cows
I think you mean Hindus.
>>34008871
>I can freely decide to feed myself with meat
Morals aren't subjective, firstly.
Secondly, the eating of meat wasn't being discussed, stupid. It was the idea of undue pain put on being that can feel pain. (As in, inflicting more pain than necessary to eat the animal). I know you're an islamascum, but try to pretend you're not a moron.
>>34005902
since i was a kid i never understood the pleasure that take anyone from the suffering of others.. someone care to explain to me? am i the only one that suffer and cry when i see this? does it really mean i am weak? ugly world
>>34009139
>Rights are granted by humans
Rights are an objective derivation of the objective moral laws of the universe. Humans discover and recognize rights. Whether they do or do not grant them is irrelevant to the morality of any given behavior.
>we are a majority that don't care that much about animal rights.
Utterly irrelevant. Time isn't on your side in this case, at any rate.
>so animal right activists are just wasting their time.
Again, time isn't on your side. See above.
>This is your opinion
No, that's objective fact as per the definitions of words
>everything is subjective hurr
You're pure intellectual cancer. Science will eventually parse out and quantify EVERYTHING, (including beauty, including 'taste', including ethics) so that even double-digit IQ clowns such as yourself can understand them. Again, time isn't on your side.
>If rights were natural then nature would be a good example of how we should act
Ambiguity fallacy that conflates the natural laws of the universe with the state of 'nature' on earth - ie a state of war. You're really bad at this thinking thing. Murder has and was always intrinsically a wrong action. That any given person or persons in any given situation refuses to recognize that is irrelevant to the moral truth of it.
>You can't prove that
See above. or watch this, it may enlighten you a bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww
>>34010994
>TED
seriously, fuck these people
tl;dw
How do we save the pepes?
>>34011061
>I'm a vapid, double-digit IQ mental child
Stay irrelevant.
>>34005902
Is there a point to this?
Like does it make for a better culinary experience if you cut that fucking toad in half and eat it while it's still alive?
>>34006904
Look dumbass. Spiders don't have any morality standars, they don't have our consciousness.
It's its only way to it the insect, she is starving and she needs to eat. This is a whole different picture.
I know it's hard to accept, but we are the only animals that deliberatly choose to make suffer others animals. We are not 'starving'. The girl and the cook in the video are not starving. They could eat something else. But no they decice to pick a live frog.
>>34011153
>I am a obsequious little pavlovian lapdog who literally dribbles in ecstacy whenever some highly marketized cunt boo-yahs into a microphone
stay pleb
>>34010906
Nope, it just means you're not a psychopath, anon. A lot of us have become desensitised to disturbing images on the internet but I don't believe most would be able to see it for real, let alone take joy in doing it ourselves.
The joy in torturing another comes from a sense of control over something and the suffering that they can inflict. Some find a kind of sexual gratification about it, but in general it's always about power - the feeling you are, right there in that moment, a god where you control the fate of something. Feeing empathy doesn't mean you're weak, it just means you're not fucked up.
>>34011229
>But no they decice to pick a live frog.
It's not sadism, as such. It's a hot humid country bereft of good spices, food spoils really really fast in those places. Indians spice their food to shit, Asians like it fresh.
>>34011287
>my double-digit IQ is capable only of a constructing a vacuous strawman in defense of my own ego which is trapped in the mind of a mental child
Hmm. Continue to be irrelevant.
>>34011349
>waiting 1 minute would have spoiled it
>>34011424
They place a premium of freshness, as a culture. It's all I'm saying.
>>34011384
NO SUCH THING AS A FREE FRESH LUNCH
>>34011486
At least now we know the irrational cultural inferiority that fuels their moral inferiority. Thanks, anon.
>>34011559
Conversely, cheese is fucking disgusting to them.
It is literally the spoiled bacterium ridden remains of a mammalian glandular discharge.
>>34005902
>these bleeding-heart animal rights faggots
fuck. its wrse that watching a frog be eaten alive, while watching itself be eaten
>>34005902
The animal is not alive when it's on the plate. The sauce is made in a way that causes the frog to move like that after he's dead.
>>34006823
Many cats will "play with" (torture) prey before killing it.
Last week our two cats caught a bird in our backyard. They're both front declawed, they managed to bash it hard enough to break its wings and then proceeded to gradually batter it to death over the next 20 minutes before biting its head off
>>34006531
the muzzies think this also. jews too.
My new Canadian order will have the same animal cruelty crimes as Nazi Germany..... So anon if you live in Canada within the next few years. Brace yourself
>>34012149
Same thing they do to get those dancing octopus/squid dishes, right?
Yes, animals feel pain. No, they shouldn't have rights. But, they are part of nature, as are we, and it is our duty as the dominant race on Earth to protect and preserve that nature, so that we are preserved also.
>>34005902
Do animals feel pain?
Depends on the animal
Should they have rights?
Depends on the animal, i.e. humans, and even those are debatable.
How much are petafags paid to shill anyways? or is it a cult thing like the jehova's witnesses with their door-to-door shit?
>>34005902
>video
That's just wrong.
>>34009951
I do think sentience gives one a more profound sense of pain, but I also believe that if you are torturing a severly retarded human that it's also terrible, I think that inflicting pain is pretty fucked up regardless of the existence of higher cognitive functions. I totally support the brutal process that gets me meat though, my cognitive dissonance is strong.
The top species will always win. Should we start killing lions because they butcher gazelles and shit in the wild? I've seen videos of half eaten shit still moving and the lions just leave em. Fuck off you pussy shits animals are food and always will be.
>>34012944
Hello DSE.
