PESHMERGAH FORTIFY KIRKUK
ISIS ATTACK SOUTHERN SHIA TERRITORY
ISIS UNITING OTHER SUNNI ANTI-GOVERNMENT FORCES
IRAN DISPATCHES ADVISERS
USA STILL ON SIDELINES
Arash Karami @thekarami 19m
ISIS kilometers away from Askari Shrine, one of most venerated Shia places that started 2006 civil war when attacked. http://aje.me/SCcnlO
Phillip Smyth @PhillipSmyth 1h
Recall Badr MP Qassem al-Araji who met w IRGC's Suleimani?He posted this-says ready to fight ISIS #HizballahCavalcade pic.twitter.com/YnoMqaEjcB
1st for John McCain would have stopped this
First for Persian dominated Middle East.
Countdown until Chechens, Balkans, europids, gingers and Malays become new Turks and reestablish the Caliphate?
ISIS is looking to expand operation to Indonesia, with her 200mil muslim
>>31098136
will be weird to see USA and Iran on the same battlefield on the same side
>if you include the first gulf war we've been dealing with iraq's shit for the last 25 years
obama is useless
>>31098089
The prophecy was true.
>>31098169
it will take a while, the nation-state system established by western imperialists and in line with western ideology is a bulwark against Islamic state forming, as it was intended.
>>31098204
what would you want him to do?
It's really Maliki that's to blame, he alienated Sunnis
>>31098174
We helped them fight the Taliban in Afghanistan.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_uprising_in_Herat
>>31098169
>ISIL getting their shit rekt so hard by Peshmerga they run to Indonesia
Assad was the one who started this
>>31098089
>USA STILL ON SIDELINES
We'd only dig the hole we already dug even deeper.
>>31098199
We're the world police, it's our job
Reminder that protestantism and it's sects are heresy
Reminder that mainstream catholicism is heresy
Reminder that Sedevacantism is the truth
>>31098216
125x100
>>31098283
you fool, we must put boots on the ground now
the iraqi people will greet us as liberators
Daily reminder that the Jews support Saudi Arabia and that's who funds these groups.
>>31098271
drop some bombs, its the least he can do. the weapons we're sending are useless when the iraqi army flees.
Is Baghdad still standing?
>>31098089
any information on whether or not General Ginger is behind this or assisting them?
>>31098199
and you can go back to the Iran-Iraq war where we fed Saddam all he needed to try and destroy Iran.
We even fed him reconnaissance information which he used to gas the Iranians. Yes, that's right, we helped Saddam use chemical weapons against the Iranians.
The Iranians were forbidden to use such weapons by a ruling of Khomeini.
History is made right before our eyes /pol/
Don't ever forget this sight since it will be remembered for a long time, this is probably the greatest schism in islamic history since the split of Sunni and Shia.
>>31098355
Yeah it is. Its unlikely the people there will just roll over there since they are Shiites.
>>31098305
You mean the Orthodox Church in communion with the Patriarch of Constantinople and that it is the wish hope and prayer of every true Christian to have Constantinople liberated from the kebab, by sword, by foot, or by miracle.
>>31098383
>this is probably the greatest schism in islamic history since the split of Sunni and Shia.
This is just a continuation of that conflict in many, many ways.
General Questions
1. Is Maliki and the ISF capable or trustworthy? For the US? For Iran?
2.In what eventuality will the non-warlord leadership (Sunni (no moderate names stand out) in the case of ISIS) come to the negotiating table?
3. Is Kurdistan viable?
General Armchair-ing following from the events as I currently see them:
1. Fuck coalitions. Arm and finance the hell out of an independent Kurdish state.
2. Let Maliki, Assad, and friends & the Sunni, and terrorists deplete the cancerous region of its unemployable glut of millennials and the last of its oil money.
3. Prioritize Ukraine.
>>31098411
>isis flies into baghdad
>>31098355
Yes ISIL attacks on Samarra have been repelled so far.
>>31098430
Yeah but stuff was still pretty calm until the recent years.
Senator Lindsey Graham says "without some kind of intervention, Baghdad will fall." He's advocating for US airstrikes to stop the ISIS advance in Iraq
>>31098454
>>31098383
yes, I think if America does nothing that this could become genocidal.
>>31098429
My Nigga
Am I the only one that thinks this is fucking huge?
Like shit, we're witnessing fucking countries tumbling down a new caliphate forming.
This is trascendental, add this to the Ukraine happenings and the increasing South China Sea and you have very "interesting" decades coming up.
Where will this all end?
>>31098431
Shia are taking over Mesopotamia, the Sunni are going to be forced to apostatize, flee to Saudi Arabia, or fucking die.
>>31098525
no fag
only you think its huge, that's why this isn't front page on CNN and reuters and every single news outlet
>>31098474
They can't do anything without boots on the ground. Iraq is lost. Look for Americans to start fleeing that massive base they built in Baghdad soon.
>>31098431
1. Maliki has shown himself to not be much of a bridge builder, he's been sectarian in a lot of ways. The army has not been able to re-take Fallujah for over six months, to give you an idea of their capabilities.
2. sunnis have been willing to come to the table but Maliki has ignored them, exacerbating this whole thing
3. Kurdistan is very viable, it's economically strong and well defended.
>>31098525
You are the only one
>>31098525
what you're seeing is the retreat of American empire. Al Qaeda managed to draw the dragon from its lair and now it's exhausted. Now Russia and China and all variety of forces in the Middle East are seizing the opportunity.
Crofag here. We held the Ottomans for 5 fucking hundred years. Anyone caring about their turf can - like the Kurds do with ISIS. Kudos to Kurds!
The only real danger is letting extremist faggots reside in EU. Kick them out forchrissakes. Nobody needs that garbage reproducing inside Europe's borders. What the fuck did we defend Europe against? To see this shit all over the place now? Grow some balls.
>>31098429
>by miracle
>muh gawd is gunn cast some magikal spell that makes all da maslams leave da city
Hezbollah will save us all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYOyyjxsBG0&index=33&list=PLF3A0DF6CAB64DDF2
>>31098616
>calls other extremists
>only a few years away from genociding your neighbors
Anyone know about how the big oil corporations that are in Iraq are reacting to this?
i think iraq and the entire mid east is going to split. 100 years after we first fucked up the place. it was bound to happen sometime. the crazies will get their caliphate, the kurds will get a homeland out of iraq and syria will probably fracture into a thousand pieces. peace in our time
ISIS is vastly overrated. even rebels in syria kicked them out of aleppo.
they are looking huge now as no iraqi men wants to die for the puppet government.
I'll be impressed only if they manage to get kerkuk or baghdad
>>31098536
That's not true. Sunni aren't going anywhere and no side is winning or can "win." Any endgame other than a negotiated peace with proportional power-sharing and/or new borders isn't going to work.
>>31098684
Power-sharing didn't work. They tried that.
This is the end of Christanity and Christians in Iraq.
Fucking airstrike these animals, rain hell on them, watch them scurry and scatter.
So greater Iran/Iraq war #2 when ?
>>31098672
The Islamic state will stretch from the mediterranean sea to indonesia
If the jews are funding ISIS then why would they be attacking the Jewish puppet government in Iraq?
>>31098746
jerk off to your dreams, go on
>>31098727
The Iraqi Airforce is practically non-existent, America saw to that.
>>31098669
>>31098721
no that was a Shia-dominated government
power-sharing like Lebanon is the only thing that can work
But Iran wants to control the state so that may not happen
>>31098669
they are raising prises
>>31098758
In order to provide an air defenceless corridor from israel to iran
>>31098758
They aren't, /pol/ will see jews behind everything.
>>31098724
> end of Christanity and Christians in Iraq
"This is"?
You're kidding, right?
They're already wiped out.
>>31098622
The power of God makes all things possible
>>31098758
The government in Iraq is Shia and has close ties with Iran. The only reason this insurgency didn't happen sooner was we were bribing Sunnis into playing nice.
>>31098734
We stomped Iraq down last time when they had one of the strongest militaries in the world with many other nations backing them.
This time the Shias in Iraq will help us remove salafi terrorists.
>>31098746
>implying that the sunis and the shiites will ever work together
>>31098746
it's inevitable
Islam isn't going anywhere
the norm over the last 1400 years has been Islamic caliphate
Once the foreign institutions are wiped clean, a new Caliphate is inevitable
The problem with Arab Nationalism is that it could never unify all the people, it was ambivalent or hostile towards Islam.
A jewish insurgent group attacking muslims again
whats new
Both Iran and Israel welcome this. No one wants to fight a war on their own turf but if Iran and Israel can fight each other on Iraqi ground they will.
>>31098847
hey why don't you guys stop using Iraq as a puppet state and enable them to have power sharing?
>>31098684
Unless the US gets involved and the Russians stop supplying the Syrian government, this is going to be a massive pincer when Iran throws its weight into the matter.
I doubt they will attack Baghdad if they were so well organized up until now. It would make more sense to surround it, cut off electricity, water and lay siege. Occupy the airports so no one can get in to help or out to flee. And then lure the enemy to their occupied cities where they can ambush them. The ISIS scum is vulnerable in the open against any armory or air support. Iran would kick their ass in this regard in like a day.
A reasonable thing the US could be doing to halt ISIS is to destroy US made equipment they have seized, like these artillery pieces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgRwrFqDFy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5S5D_hXnA
Yeah, it is going to look bad and be bad if these get employed on targets in Baghdad or Kirkuk. And the US military has a strong presence in Qatar at Al Udeid Air Base and could easily run missions from there, or even Kuwait or Jordan with drones.
>>31098847
you didnt stomp shit bro, it was stalemate straight out of ww1
And we got called surrender monkeys for not participating in this shit
>>31098847
you did a successful defense, and then Khomeini tried to eliminate Saddam which prolonged the war by at least 5 years.
>>31098847
>one of the strongest militaries in the world with many other nations backing them.
Are you talking about directly after the bloodiest conventional war in the second half of the twentieth century, or after ten years of sanctions, especially ANYTHING that could have a military purpose?
Neither time were they actually backed by any significant degree of outside support.
>civilization ending where civilization began
its like poetry, it rhymes
According to civilians in occupied areas, they're being ok, though. Providing water, electricity, and so on.
Anyone care to confirm this or venture any thoughts on it?
I'm really sceptical now of any time our governments calls anyone a 'terrorist' group, to be frank.
>>31098922
We got territory out of it, we won.
In fact we wouldn't have stopped attacking Iraq but America decided to shoot down an Iranian civilian airliner.
>>31098169
How are they going to get there?
I kind of hope they do capture it just for the shit storm.
>>31098504
This already kinda becoming genocidal already, ISIL is breaking ancient statues in order to intimidate non-Muslims into submission.
>>31098953
..what
>>31098993
watch those videos they release of them doing drive by shootings on unarmed people
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/world/middleeast/exhausted-and-bereft-iraqi-soldiers-quit-fight.html
>The infantryman and his colleagues were already worn down after six months of fighting militants in western Iraq, men flush with weapons and zeal. Army commanders had no answer for the daily deadly ambushes and no broader strategy for prevailing in the longer war.
>“The state is weak,” Mr. Halbousi said. “This will be an endless battle.”
>After months of grinding conflict against a resurgent militant movement, the Iraqi Army is having its power blunted by a rise in desertions, turning the tide of the war and fragmenting an institution, trained and funded by the United States, that some hoped would provide Iraqis a common sense of citizenship.
>In a nation tearing apart along sectarian lines, Sunnis and Shiites have served together in the military. But the defections of Sunni soldiers threatened to deepen the growing perception among Iraq’s Sunnis that the military serves as an instrument of Shiite power, even while Shiites soldiers have also fled.
>>31098672
I don't have a problem with a caliphate. This whole western thing of homogenising "democracy" needs to fuck off.
>>31098912
What they really want is to incite a civil war between Shias and Sunnis. If that happens, Baghdad becomes a battleground and ISIS will have much more room to manoeuvre and plan their attack on the capital, probably moving through Sunni neighbourhoods in the outskirts. In that eventuality, it's possible they could launch a strong attack on the government HQ and deal some serious damage to the command structure.
Al Maliki is literally making the situation worse by offering to arm civilians. I don't know who is advising him, but they should be shot.
We never learn.
>>31098089
America! Fuck you! Get out!
>Leave
America! We're getting fucked! Give us Air Support
>Fuck you
>>31098551
cnnidf plz
>>31099046
I mean just think about it, ISIS is estimated at 7-10,000 men at most, yet they control huge areas.
1. they have to have more support from other Sunni forces
2. the Iraqi military must really, really be pathetically weak
>>31099049
>I have no problem with returning to the middle ages
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/12/isis-just-stole-425-million-and-became-the-worlds-richest-terrorist-group/
top of the keks
>>31098643
They did genocide the jews muslims and serbs during the wwII.
pre-battle and battle ISIS pics:
http://justpaste.it/fty0
>>31099090
That's because most of those huge areas consist of deserts
>>31099003
no, you had to stop attacking Iraq because your economy was destroyed and the Iraqi military was more than capable of easily defending its territory.
>>31099045
I don't know where to find them and I have an aversion to watching people being killed on film. I'll take your word for it, though.
So just unarmed people in the street? I know about the two cases of crucifixions and I know either them or others similar have been involved in beheadings in Syria.
So yeah, I'll accept those cases for balance. I'm still interested in the view from a civilian account I read earlier that they're being useful and setting up ordered systems.
Of course, this could just be for Sunnis which is entirely possible.
The civilian in question mentioned that "any man who gives up his weapon, no matter his background, is left alone". So either that's true or they're being partisan and not giving the whole story.
Like I say, I don't trust our governments one inch when it comes to releasing information about "terrorist" groups.
>>31099049
I don't have a problem with a caliphate because it will make the job of wiping out the non-whites races far easier if they literally behave like animals.
ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK 2 min
#BREAKINGNEWS ISIS PARADES SEVERAL THOUSAND CAPTURED IRAQI SOLDIERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0sa9ro4mZs
>>31099003
if you say so.
>>31098859
you realize Arab nationalism was generally the idea of Arab Christians. It was their last effort to avoid this Islamic chauvinism when the foreign powers left. The Arab Christians should have been working to put aside their own differences, Syriacs, Melkites, Hellenes, Maronites, Armenian, etc., establishing one place as the Christian Arab state and the doubling down on the Nationalism. But they honestly believed they could get the Muslims to play nice and focus on ethnicity and geography, not theology. It was a fatal error because Islam inherently does not believe in station and place. Islam is a militant universalist ideology and for every non-Christian Arab willing to be a nationalist, there was 9 doubling down on Islam, especially after the failures of the Arab Socialism to defeat Israel.
>>31098919
They should just drone all the leftover US equipment then stay out of it.
>>31099045
>>31098993
Those civilian are sunnis, of course they'll praise them for getting rid of Maliki army.
The drive by shooting was supposed to be targeted against Maliki officer.
>>31098993
in Syria, ISIS moves in, are initially tolerant and then gradually impose Islamic restrictions.
>>31099131
yeah but they control many towns and such, and we are talking over vast areas of land.
>>31099050
ISIL followers are happy as fuck about this because they believe this will the begining of a true secterian war where average Shia will want to kill the average Sunni and vice versa.
You Americans fucked up big time.
>>31099102
Except some of these caliphates were wealthy, peaceful, engaged in and encouraged the sciences and so on.
Also, I don't live in one and likely never will so it's not like if they "return to the middle ages" it will ever affect me.
Peaceful caliphate sounds like a good place to go on holiday too though.
ISIS right? Hmm.. Isis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSOMA3QBU0
So goyim, are you ready for a perfect storm?
>>31099143
oh wow
>>31099151
Iran was weak then. Didn't have nearly the firepower, technology and manpower it posses today. Today they can kick some serious ass.
How big of a shitstorm would happen if it was actually known that ISIS is actually posting on 4chan.
>>31098323
It's a prophecy for ants
>>31098993
yeah. Check theguardian voice is free article. The ones hating ISIL are Shi'ites and policemen, ofc. The Mosulite love ISIL.
>>31099045
watch the subtitled movie, theyre all military or shiite militiamen or government agents. Not civilians.
>>31099117
and in the recent war they genocided the ethnic Serbians in Croatia
>>31099141
ISIS is not inherently evil as many would like you to believe. They genuinely believe they are the good guys. They aren't to just murder people without some purpose. That's what Americans do.
>>31099142
I think everyone has a right to be self-determining in whatever way they see fit. It was always a nonsense of sheer arrogance to dictate that the western way is the only way.
The real picture is a lot more nuanced and complex.
>>31099143
Haha, if this is real, holy shit.
>>31098893
>Iran's weight
I think it's overestimated. They have sugar in the gas tank and like Russia their only play is selling out to China (something that past the medium term (hooray for theocracy and military junta state) will be highly unpalatable).
I also don't see them doing this for northern Iraq. If they are implying they are (much like their support for Assad's reelection) it's probably an attempt at humor or manipulation.
>>31099143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YzRikfT_ips
>>31099168
When are we going to get an Arab Christian state?
>>31099040
The firts Iraq War (after the Kuait invasion) was also directly after the Iran-Iraq War, which is the bloodiest conventional interstate war since WW2.
Financial problems, along with Kuwaiti and Saudi oil dumping, specifically to prevent Saddam from rearming, were some of his motivations in invading.
Afterward, there were ten years of sanctions, especially focusing on anything that could be used or converted to military purposes.
Both wars with Iraq were with understrength and under-armed conscripts. They were impressive in size only while the people who could fight, (ie the republican guard and other elite units) melted away to create the core of the insurgency, and probably alot of the ISIS guys now.
>>31099216
About as much of a shitstorm if it was found that white-supremacists are posting on 4ha.
>>31099271
No, it's fake. It's really a gay pride parade.
>>31099215
Im sure they learned some lessons, and I wouldnt underestimate their abilities in a regional conflict, but alot of bluster coming out of their revolutionary guard is just plain bullshit.
>>31099283
Lebanon is it.
>>31099303
>White Supremacists
>Relevant
How can anyone expect stormwiener to be taken seriously when you see shit like in Syria or Iraq.
>>31099183
> tolerant and then gradually impose Islamic restrictions
Alright, good. Useful, thanks. I haven't paid attention to them specifically in Syria or anywhere else until the news yesterday.
>>31099175
> of course they'll praise them for getting rid of Maliki army
Fair enough. I agree. I suspect Maliki fucked up big time. This was always the problem though. Sunni populations under Shia control or the other way round - always a recipe for disaster unless one or the other leader is relatively secularly inclined.
Israel plz nuke all kebab
>>31099141
Collaborators bro. Alot of this shit should be highly targeted assassinations, if the ISIS know what they are doing and have decent discipline.
Business Insider @businessinsider 15m
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>>31099248
Even the Al-Qaeda thought their methods were too extreme. You are retarded if you think the Americans are more "evil"
>>31099270
>think everyone has a right to be self-determining in whatever way they see fit. It was always a nonsense of sheer arrogance to dictate that the western way is the only way
The European system is the best system It is the only way by which humanity may leave it's cradle and journey to the stars. Not Islam. Not African tribal shit. Only Western civilisation can let us ascend limitlessly. The resources of the world belong to Europeans, it is our birthright. We should not have to barter with a camel fucking sheikh to have what is ours by right. Some races and some civilisations do not deserve to exist. A few hundred million non-white dead would usher in an age of unprecedented human achievement.
>>31099283
It's over, they are fucked and I mean seriously fucked.
>>31099248
> ISIS is not inherently evil as many would like you to believe
I'm inclined to agree with the codicil of course that I think they're likely just people. Some good, some bad. We'll have to see. I won't buy any more propaganda though and it seems to me the press is going rampant with this "worse than al quaida" push. Which makes me suspicious at the very least.
>>31099141
Another anon here, I've seen the video he's talking about and it's quite brutal, they do a night raid on homes, shoot two guys in the back of the head, cut another guys head off whilst he's blind folded, shoot civilians in the street, I'm talking emptying a magazine from an AK-47 into someone, emptying handgun magazines into some guys head, making a father and son dig their own grave and then shooting them both.
Blowing up Humvee's, mortar strikes, it's some sort of recruitment video but it's fucking brutal, near the end they have some Iraqi soldier crying and ordering him to say what happens to enemies of Islam, they don't show his execution but he gets killed.
They have this database called the Mujahideen Database, they check ID's of people after they've seized checkpoints, if they're people they want they drag them out of their cars and shoot them, they make them run like animals and then chase them down with a car with a mounted machine gun.
These ISIS people are brutal fucks.
>>31099375
>Even the Al-Qaeda thought their methods were too extreme.
That's just western propaganda, you idiot.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/06/iraq-extremists-mosul-american-invasion-legacy.html
Iraq’s collapse has been driven by three things. The first is the war in Syria, which has become, in its fourth bloody year, almost entirely sectarian, with the country’s majority-Sunni opposition hijacked by extremists from groups like ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra, and by the more than seven thousand foreigners, many of them from the West, who have joined their ranks. The border between the two countries—three hundred miles long, most of it an empty stretch of desert—has been effectively erased, with ISIS and Nusra working both sides. As the moderates in Syria have been pushed aside, so too have their comrades in Iraq.
The second factor—probably the dominant one—is the policies of Nuri Al-Maliki, Iraq’s Prime Minister. Maliki is a militant sectarian to the core, and he had been fighting on behalf of Iraq’s long-suppressed Shiite majority for years before the Americans arrived, in 2003. Even after the Americans toppled Saddam, Maliki never stopped, taking a page—and aid and direction—from his ideological brethren across the border in Iran. When the Americans were on the ground in Iraq, they acted repeatedly to restrain Maliki, and the rest of Iraq’s Shiite leadership, from its most sectarian impulses. At first, they failed, and the civil war began in earnest in 2006. It took three years and hundreds of lives, but the American military succeeded in tamping down Iraq’s sectarian furies, not just with violence but also by forcing Maliki to accommodate Sunni demands. Time and again, American commanders have told me, they stepped in front of Maliki to stop him from acting brutally and arbitrarily toward Iraq’s Sunni minority. Then the Americans left, removing the last restraints on Maliki’s sectarian and authoritarian tendencies.
>>31099235
> Check theguardian voice is free article
That's the article I read. And yeah, I found it very interesting. Like I say though, it could also be partisanship but if they're leaving Shia civilians alone, then I'm fine with them.
>>31099143
Seriously?
>>31099291
>Iran-Iraq War
This was the war I was referring to.
>>31099375
You're fooling yourself if you believe Al Qaidah words. They're just jealous that ISIS have more monies.
>>31099420
I liked the part where the CIA agent jabbed his sword through his passport
>>31099445
Which brings us to the third reason. When the Americans invaded, in March, 2003, they destroyed the Iraqi state—its military, its bureaucracy, its police force, and most everything else that might hold a country together. They spent the next nine years trying to build a state to replace the one they crushed. By 2011, by any reasonable measure, the Americans had made a lot of headway but were not finished with the job. For many months, the Obama and Maliki governments talked about keeping a residual force of American troops in Iraq, who would act largely to train Iraq’s Army and to provide intelligence against Sunni insurgents. (They would almost certainly have been barred from fighting.) Those were important reasons to stay, but the most important went largely unstated: it was to continue to act as a restraint on Maliki’s sectarian impulses, at least until the Iraqi political system was strong enough to contain him on its own. The negotiations between Obama and Maliki fell apart, in no small measure because of a lack of engagement by the White House. Today, many Iraqis, including some close to Maliki, say that a small force of American soldiers—working in non-combat roles—would have provided a crucial stabilizing factor that is now missing from Iraq. Sami al-Askari, a Maliki confidant, told me for my article this spring, “If you had a few hundred here, not even a few thousand, they would be coöperating with you, and they would become your partners.” President Obama wanted the Americans to come home, and Maliki didn’t particularly want them to stay.
The trouble is, as the events of this week show, what the Americans left behind was an Iraqi state that was not able to stand on its own. What we built is now coming apart. This is the real legacy of America’s war in Iraq.
>>31099143
>2 cars worth of Mujahidin
>thousands of shi'ites
ISIL confirmed for Rashidun army, the last time things like this happened with a dozen Arabs massacring a few tens of thousand Persians and flowing Euphrates with red blood and enslaving the other half.
>>31099349
> if the ISIS know what they are doing and have decent discipline
Yeah, one hopes so. I don't like these jihadist or militant groups or whatever one wants to call them but I'm not the one affected by them. If they set up order and give average citizens of both sides a fairly peaceful life then more power to them. I couldn't give a fuck about "strategic interests" and all this other shit.
>>31099472
How does that make ISIS any more credible?
at least he is honest. a total fucking asshole, but honest. no pretending.
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>>31099143
Oh god, dont tell me they are going to kill them all
>>31099143
Iraqi army confirmed for brave as lions.
>>31099531
more than enough oil in his hair gel to keep the country running
>>31099545
They really might
>>31099545
They're already dead.
>>31099513
I don't intend to make them credible.
>>31099510
what gives you the idea ISIS is going to be fair to anyone? That video floating around has them just driveby shooting random people. GREAT bunch of guys to leave in charge eh?
>>31099545
They probably will but what I don't get? There's supposedly 7 thousand Iraqi soldiers and a handful of the ISIS lot, what is actually stopping the Iraqi army from fighting then and there?
I don't get it? They're going to die if they do nothing, they might live if they fight...
Something is off about this, they may be signing up to join ISIS...
>>31099474
He was a poor oppressed Kosovar Muslim who probably fought against those evil Nazi Serbs
>To engage them at a time when Muslim armies were being outflanked in Syria was not a wise idea. Khalid selected a shorter route to Syria, an unconventional route passing through the Syrian Desert. He boldly marched his armies through the desert. It is recorded that his soldiers marched for two days without a single drop of water, before reaching a pre-decided water source at an oasis. Khalid thus entered Northern Syria and caught the Byzantines at their right flank. According to modern historians, it was this ingenious strategic maneuver of Khalid, his perilous march through the desert and appearing at the north-eastern front of the Byzantines while they were occupied in tackling the Muslim armies in Southern Syria, that unhinged the Byzantine defences in Syria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Syria
>>31099510
>If they set up order and give average citizens of both sides a fairly peaceful life
This is kind of crucial for getting any for of political power to continue hostilities, and in terms of whatever negotiated settlement ends hostilities.
There are probably a core of army guys who understand the importance of discipline.
This doesn't mean I don't think they are brutal as fuck, just in a more calculated fashion than African tier 'armies'.
>>31099143
>>31099275
They don't look like soldiers.
>>31099578
That's just the ghetto version of drone strikes. No difference morally.
>>31099588
We are getting our news source from a terrorist group after all. Who knows the real truth about who they are and how many there is.
It might just be civilians for all we know
>>31099420
Alright. I agree that all sounds fucking brutal. Especially the crying guy. Man.
But ok, I want to be balanced. So without disputing that this IS brutal and I can't really get into the mindspace of someone who would shoot a crying human being, are these civilians or military/police targets?
I agree with you though but I just want to get a very clear complete picture as much as possible. I figure here is always the best place to ask.
>>31099578
Those were actually iraqi military and police men that were deliberately hunted down. They let a university student free later in the video. Those were not random killings.
>>31099613
>This doesn't mean I don't think they aren't brutal as fuck, just in a more calculated
>>31099492
Yeah I'd like to see them try it in this day and age. We'll wipe them from the pages of history.
>>31098551
Eric Cantor losing his seat is obviously more important u guiz
>>31099635
>terrorist group
stop saying that
>>31098174
Iran should be the natural ally of the usa, rather the pisreal, gutter, united arab degenerates and shitty arabia
>>31099653
sure
This is Vietnam all over again
>>31099445
> more than seven thousand foreigners, many of them from the West
This really fucking pisses me off. I count this as "western interference". No different than my detesting western governments interfering.
But mainly, how are these silly fucks getting in there? I thought maybe Turkey and then jumping the border. Any ideas?
Why can't we stop flights to these countries or give conditional visas? So, if you go to Turkey or any bordering country, you have to be back by your visa cut off date or risk being imprisoned when you do return?
>>31099689
thats what they are
they are a fraud of a religious extremist group. They for now are simply using religion as a guise to go around killing people and robbing banks at a mass scale
>>31098608
> Now Russia and China and all variety of forces in the Middle East are seizing the opportunity.
>Russia as you know it is collapsing
>China will have some heavy revolts before 2025, will inevitably change the identity of China as we know it
Look, I'm not saying that the American superpower is dwindling, but we are more than a superpower, more of an Ultrapower as dumb as that sounds. We're returning to regional superpower status that we had after WW1
>>31099650
Most of the people ISIS kills up-close-and-personal are:
-members of the military or security forces, sometimes dragged out of their homes or cars off duty, or executed after surrendering
-members of pro-government tribal militias
-government officials of some kind
They also kill thousands of random Shia civilians in daily car bomb and rocket attacks on Shia areas of Iraq. But that's just BOOM and its over. No up close and personal execution videos.
ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK 1 min
#BreakingReport #al_Qaim in #Anbar falls to #ISIS.
>>31099650
>civilians or military/police targets
There isn't always a clear distinction between the two (irregular fighters etc). Also, collaborators and political figures are also frequently targeted. Whether or not they are 'legitimate targets', one can see the logic in their elimination.
They presumably AREN"T just random civilians. Maybe they are targeted on religious grounds, but I doubt they are slaughtering people wholesale like that.
Its worth remembering that Sunni opinion shifted toward the US in the form of the awakening councils after AQI excesses...
I am sure the people there do.
>>31099697
I agree. And they would sell oil to the Americans and the US would have the biggest ally in the region. Who is by the way the most stable country in ME.
>>31099739
Insurgents, Extremist militant group, terrorists, its all the same
>>31099481
Really informative posts. Thanks.
>>31099650
I would assume they are military and police targets. In the first part of the video there is two drive by's which are done, they spray a car with bullets and kill the driver/passengers, then they stick an AK-47 out the window as two men are walking down the street and they shoot one of the men and continue shooting him whilst he's on the ground, screaming Allahu ackbar.
It doesn't indicate if these people work for the military or the police, it's assumed they are just civilians.
16.20 Ayad Allawi, the Iraqi prime minister from 2004 to 2005, has told the BBC's World at One the collapse of government control over Sunni Muslim areas was inevitable:
Quote All the ingredients for this problem have been fomenting for the last 13 years.
We have been ignoring the constitution, which talks about the liberty of the people. The oppression of peaceful demonstrators has been wide-ranging, sectarianism has been wide-ranging and what is happening was expected.
We don't know where the billions that have been spent on this one million man strong army has gone and now it has collapsed.
This is a complete and gross failure of the government that was installed by the international community and Iran.
We lose 1,000 people a week but the international community does not want to acknowledge this in Iraq.
Asked about outside intervention he said:
Quote This will add fuel to the fire.
Really the problem is that nobody cares what happens to Iraq. It wasn't just a problem of removing a tyrant. It was clear that there were no policies for after the invasion of Iraq.
My advice to the international community as well as the regional community is that they should refrain from interfering. It's not a matter of again creating a big war in Iraq.
>>31099789
see
>>31099766
they kill military, police, collaborators, government people, etc by sword and gun
They kill masses of Shia randomly by bomb
>>31099202
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED GOYIM
>>31099707
>>31099481
Best posts in the thread
>captcha: alone
>>31098363
>The Iranians were forbidden to use such weapons by a ruling of Khomeini.
In b4 the JIDF accuses the noble Persians of being reckless savages.
>>31099721
The UK is already arresting those that return from Syria and locking them up.
There was talk about revoking their citizenships but Theresa May has been denied this by the HOOOOOOOMAN RIGHTS courts..
Most of the Western fighters are coming from Sweden, Britain, Germany, France, Norway and the USA.
>>31099578
It's not my decision who gets left in charge. These people have been killing the shit out of each other for centuries. What a crying shame. I am one of those rare people who likes the Prophet, I've read books about him and everything and I think he would find this devastating.
They need peace. Whoever brings it, and with it, the chance of some degree of tolerance so EVERYONE can move forward and live a relatively peaceful life then sure, I would be delighted if they were in charge.
Also, as others have already mentioned to me, there's a lot more complexity to those drive-by videos than it first appears. Of course it's shit and nasty but it's a shit and nasty state of affairs on all sides. We've got more than enough blood on our hands too.
>>31099789
Al-Qaeda disowned their organization because they were too brutal. AL-QAEDA.
They're pieces of shit.
>>31099830
I was specifically talking about the executions.
I am well aware they use bomb and mortar attacks as a weapon of terror.
>>31099707
>A couple similarities at most
stop comparing it to nam
>>31099614
They don't look like soliders because they are civilians that decided to fight
this is even more fucked up
>>31099588
Aren't they saying the Iraqi army is just fed up and exhausted, though? Maybe that's why.
It's likely a propaganda piece anyway. One hopes they let them live. I always think if I was a military commander, I'd threaten people with death but then let them live - I think that's more likely to get me loyalty than any other way. Hopefully whomever's in charge thinks this way too.
>>31099613
> There are probably a core of army guys who understand the importance of discipline
I agree with your post and yeah, I hope so.
>>31099928
this is a cliche and it's not accurate
>>31099947
Tell me more about how you "accomplished your objectives"
>>31098133
Repped
can we pretty much agree now that leaving Saddam in power would have been a better option?
>>31099830
Do these young terrorists even know how shitty their religion is?
Egypt, an entire country with a longstanding religious governance, has pretty much forced itself to go secular because they know how much it has sucked the past thousand years.
It's almost as if being an Islamic extremist is like being a fucking hipster douchebag.. with guns
>>31099955
What where civilians doing in a military base?
>>31099826
wow that's some really damning statements by Allawi
>>31099993
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/al-qaeda-disavows-any-ties-with-radical-islamist-isis-group-in-syria-iraq/2014/02/03/2c9afc3a-8cef-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html
So how long until ISIS is parading in a brigade of M1 Abrams?
>>31099928
>Al-Qaeda disowned their organization because they were too brutal. AL-QAEDA.
>too brutal.
>implying it was about methods and not about the power struggle regarding who would be the preeminent Islamist organization in terms of Syria and Iraq.
I am not trying to make out that they are not brutal horrible people, but endless feel based faggotry only gets in the way of a clear rational assessment of what they are and what can be done about them.
>>31099957
I doubt very much they'll let them live, these guys enjoy killing government/collaborator types too much.
It would also show the international stage that these fuckers mean srs bsns.
>>31099947
>>31100018
>>31099291
>>31099445
>>31100027
civilians can work in bases.. its not unheard of..
>>31100018
Better for Iraqis, worse for Western oil companies and Israel.
>>31098623
Fucking brain washed edgy assed hive minded scum prick.
>>31099766
Alright, so largely "tactical" killings. Still shit but ok. My main concern is for civilians. So yeah, bombs - for fucks sake.
Also,
> executed after surrendering
Blurgh. Poor people.
>>31098525
>Am I the only one that thinks this is fucking huge?
And it all started with an uneducated fruit pedlar who was robbed and humiliated by a dyke cop.
>>31100018
Why do you think 1 million Brits marched against the war in Iraq?
We knew this would fucking happen, I said earlier my parents back in 1990 when the first gulf war was going on said that these animals need a dictator to keep them in line.
It's ridiculous and where the fuck is Tony Blair? A fucking middle east peace envoy and Europhile with blood on his hands... Why is he so quiet about this?
>>31099739
you have to rob banks if you're not supported by foreign powers
This just in from telegraph.co.uk:
17.36 There are reports that fighting between Iraqi and al-Qaeda forces taking place near al-Taji - 15 miles from Baghdad.
>>31099697
should be, but Israel
This is an "ideological publication from Department of Design and Editing and Publishing of the Islamic State"
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ar&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fjustpaste.it%2Ffq7t&edit-text=
>>31098383
Muslim from Jordan
wont happen now
They're not that big, they dont really control those areas they took and once the army get its shit together they"ll disappear like if they were never their
And most people here doest like them, im saying this because I spent all this day and yesterday talking about them with friends, this includes iraqis and syrians since jordan is full of them
Btw im in the car infront of the gym
Here is a pic
>>31099789
> Its worth remembering that Sunni opinion shifted toward the US in the form of the awakening councils after AQI excesses...
Mmm. Yeah, I agree. I think that whole country just wants some kind of stability. Anyone who wants a foothold is going to need to provide it - even minimally. Going after civilians will also likely pique the west's interests again and even though they have all sorts of hardware at their disposal, I don't think they'll want to risk air bombardments. That is if they don't bed down in civilian areas as a first priority though which might be another reason for ostensibly bringing order. We'll have to see I guess.
>>31100089
Does the fire rise?
Yes, Mohamed, yes it does.
>>31100109
>implying all non-state military groups don't loot their enemies spoils to add to their war chest.
>>31100109
The central bank will cease to be the lender of last resort for the Iraqi currency, rending it completely worthless.
They do have gold, but in terms of paper money? They can't use it, it'll make nice fire fuel though.
>>31100027
I assuming these guys are Shia, so if they don't fight or flee they're fucked?
>>31100150
>once the army get its shit together
you haven't been paying attention have you?
>>31099826
holy shit he actually seems reasonable and sensible
I see why we didn't want him to stay in power
>>31100150
Thanks for proof and being a voice from the region bro. Take care.
>>31099814
> It doesn't indicate if these people work for the military or the police, it's assumed they are just civilians
Yeah, this is what I'm most interested in. This kind of information. Or at least trying to work it out objectively. My sense is that it is the case that they're likely military/police targets or it could also be some sort of dispute. I don't know. I just hope it's not civilians. But yeah, it's shit anyway. But that's the kind of situation there is now.
>>31100018
They would have been the first country to revolt during arab spring if they left him in power
>>31100068
After the rope was secured, guards shouted various rebukes including "Muqtada! Muqtada! Muqtada!" in reference to Muqtada al-Sadr; Saddam repeated the name mockingly and rebuked the shouts stating, "Do you consider this bravery?" A Shi'a version of an Islamic prayer was also recited by some of those present in the room, an apparent sectarian insult against the Sunni Saddam. One observer told Saddam:
"Go to hell!"
Saddam replied,
"The hell that is Iraq?"
The trapdoor sprang.
>>31100222
You should watch it, it's not nice but if you really want to know more about it, just man up and watch it. You'll become desensitised to it.
>>31099283
My beautiful country of Lebanon used to be a safe haven from all the sharia Muslim shit, until it got fucked up from dipshit sell outs during the war.
>>31100150
??? ????? ?? ?????
What happened with that ISIS-inspired uprising in Ma'an?
>>31100150
>once the army get its shit together they"ll disappear like if they were never there
Like they did in Fallujah?
>>31100237
the Arab Spring never happens without the Iraq war
>>31099899
Very interesting, thanks.
I'm delighted they're arresting them. Are they coming straight from Syria do you know?
Also, usually I wouldn't say citizenship should be revoked but in this case I would wholeheartedly support that. I suppose the kicker is what to do with them then. Better to just give them really long, long, long jail sentences so they can muse on their fucktardery at leisure.
Also, all these countries - presumably Muslim kids, right?
>>31098511
>any sect of islam
>not in "In need of crusade" tier
Come the fuck on.
>>31099928
> believing ANYTHING al quaida says
Nigger pls.
>>31098089
IRAN AND SYRIA: YOU HAVE WORK TO DO.
>>31100243
He was reciting an Islamic creed while the trapdoor sprang. He did apparently say that before it though.
>>31099143
I think the only thing they teach recruits in Iraqi Boot Camp is how to surrender.
Oh, and kill unarmed civilians.
Because that's all they do.
>>31100253
blame the Israelis for driving the Palestinians out of their homeland
>>31100270
this. The Iraqi Army has been trying to dislodge ISIS from Fallujah and failed miserably. They simply don't have the willingness to die for this government.
>>31100275
what if the soldiers were going to say, a Christian nation to defeat a repressive regime? Like say Ukrainians going to fight Putin?
>>31100275
>Are they coming straight from Syria do you know?
I think they're using Greece/Turkey route. The home office is actively watching all the people that fly over to that region.
http://www.channel4.com/news/syria-rebels-jihad-british-foreign-assad
Here this documentary explains it.
>Also, all these countries - presumably Muslim kids, right?
Most of them are from troubled regions in cities that's the common theme, they are converts and suffer from converts zeal.
>>31100340
A better example would be the Spanish Civil War.
Why is Obama always concerned
>
President Obama has said "I don't rule anything out" for US responses to the crisis in Iraq, Reuters reports. He said he is " looking at all options in helping the Iraqi government face the growing insurgency".
The presdient was asked whether the US would consider drone strikes or any other direct or indirect action to counter Isis and jihadist groups. Reuters continues:
He said there will be short-term immediate actions that need to be done militarily in Iraq, and that his national security team is looking at all options. He said the United States is prepared to take military action when its national security interests are threatened.
U.S. GOING BACK IN!!!
>>31100150
Good man. I'll keep you in my thoughts.
Can somebody explain this to me, how is it possible that a country that US bombed less than decade ago is now begging to be re-bombed? I mean how can anything ever be this fucked up?
>>31100386
he's skeptical of American empire. He's an old-fashioned leftist. I cheer his indecision, the American needed to end, it's not doing anyone any good any more.
>>31100051
So much this.
>>31100054
> I doubt very much they'll let them live
Pfft. Sad, man.
I agree about the international stage but hopefully they'll be mindful of how the local civilian population views it. You kill collaborators etc with impunity, it's only a while before you start going after the innocent if they're felt to be "collaborating" too.
>>31099202
Dumb sand niggers killing dumb sand niggers, and that's a fuck up?
You dense fuck, this is great. Let them wipe each other out, you brown children have such fun times in your sand boxes.
President Obongo on helping Iraq:"I do not rule out anything"
http://rt.com/usa/165596-obama-iraq-statement-any-option/
>>31100396
>>31100396
>He said there will be short-term immediate actions that need to be done militarily in Iraq, and that his national security team is looking at all options. He said the United States is prepared to take military action when its national security interests are threatened.
USA will never learn.
>>31100412
anything is possible when George W. Bush is running things
>>31100424
Brown people killing each other means more refugees flooding into Europe.
>>31100396
>shit going on in another country
>this is threat to american freedom
