Anyone have a recommendation? I would really like a TC-1 but I'm not about to spend $500 on a point & shoot...
I'd really just like an Av mode and decent optics... but beyond that I really don't care.
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>>2796589
>>2788666
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>>2798015
that camera is so gorgeous.
just do it, I have one and love it.
>>2798015
I guess you were the faggot bitching in the other thread. You're not going to get a good 35mm point and shoot for really cheap.
On saying that, the olympus Mju II is really good and you can get it for around $100-150
Feel like a tripfag, but really like my motor marine. Bulky as fuck, but sturdy and waterproof. My edc for beaches, urbex or other gritty stuff
>>2798217
>Feel like a tripfag
what?
>>2798194
>you can get it for around $100-150
Try harder.
These cameras all take the same photos, maybe with the exception of the plastic-lensed Konica.
>there is literally nothing special about the mewtwo, except for the meme magic that surrounds it
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>>2798262
>my opinion is worth more than thousands of photographers that are experienced in film photography
>they are all wrong, I am right
>>2798571
Most of those thousands of photographers with experience in film will tell you that a film body is just a light tight box to hold your film.
Yeah, you might want to spend a little more to get one that has more controls and I can promise you want glass and not plastic lenses, but really, with film, body doesn't matter all that much at all.
>>2798571
I've probably shot more rolls with every one of those cameras than Ming Thein did for his retarded mewtwo review.
They're all entirely adequate for snapshitting, the lenses are all sharp enough, the exposures are as correct as you need them to be for negative film.
A Better /p/ Review would be:
>The Fuji is objectively best, as it's waterproof and you can actually focus it.
>The Konica is objectively best, as it's the smallest and has the widest lense.
>The Nikon is objectively best, as it has a 5 element lense with dat rendering.
>The Olympus is objectively best, as it can meter long exposure without flash.
>The Pentax is objectively best, as it has the sharpest lense with the best coatings and it costs the least.
>>2798587
Probably one of the most retarded things I've
read.
If what you said is true, then a Contax T3 should take photos of equal quality to a disposable camera, because, its just a body right?
We both know this is not the case
You already got your answer in the gear thread.
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>>2798965
Yeah, that's what I've decided on after reading a dozen reviews around the web and listening to you /p/haggots circlejerk about it
>>2798015
THIS IS NOW A FILM POINT AND SHOOT THREAD
But regarding op's question
Mju ii:150$ kinda overpriced, great lens, decent body
Olympus XA (shot this photo with it):good price, great lens and body but focusing is hard because rangefinder
Ricoh gr series: expensive, amazing lenses but kinda fragile
Contax:fantastic bodies, reliable as fuck, lens is super overrated (the center is pin sharp but corners are awful) overpriced
Yashica t4: uncle terry, overpriced but cheaper than Minolta
Nikon 35ti: nice lens, idk anything else
Fuji klasse:great lenses, fast aperture but expensive
Honestly just buy a cheap I film p&s, I have a crappy one I got for 15 bucks that has a decent lens, most important thing about film compacts are autofocus accuracy and the ergonomics
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this is mju 1. pretty swell camera.
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>>2798958
Idiot, he said the lens and controls matter, a contax t3 has a much better lens than a disposable camera so there's a difference.
>>2798217
>Feel like a tripfag
Hello newfriend
>>2799335
holy hell. now i understand the gr1 craze.
>>2799331
Just copped a brand new in box Canon Sureshot 80u for $5 from a thrift shop. Seems pretty basic since it's almost entirely automatic, but it seems to work perfectly. Autofocus, in-built flash, self timer, 38-80mm zoom lens (f4.7 - f9 I think but it was $5 so meh), multiple modes. Loaded my first roll yesterday, interested to see how it comes out. Can't really find any info on this thing. I doubt the lens will be sharp but for $5 you can't really go wrong
>>2799340
true man, zoom film compacts usually have bad lenses but the camera is probably ok, the best thing about film compacts is the size and the wide angle lenses, really helps to get close up on the subjects, first roll is probably gonna be funky though
pic related, took this shot on a shit zoom lens film compact (sorry for not resize and crop but im too lazy)
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>>2798958
>spend a little more to get one that has more controls
>I can promise you want glass and not plastic lenses
are you fucking retarded?
F U J I F I L M N A T U R A S
>Incredibly small and compact
>Great optics
>24mm
>f/1.9
>Great flash balancing
You point it, and you shoot.
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>>2799369
That is a beautifully designed compact
>Wasting money and film on literal snapshits that will then be scanned to a resolution/quality lower than that of your everyday-carry smartphone camera
>all the while giving up virtually any control over the exposure settings
Literally why. Why shoot film to achieve sub-smartphone snap quality with extra cost and effort? I just want to understand, am not undermining your chosen mode of photography. Is it wanting to have a film camera on you without the extra size/weight/bulk/inconvenience?
>>2799380
>Literally why. Why shoot film to achieve sub-smartphone snap quality with extra cost and effort? I just want to understand, am not undermining your chosen mode of photography. Is it wanting to have a film camera on you without the extra size/weight/bulk/inconvenience?
Seriously, just google it. People like you are annoying, always talking shit in threads they're not supposed to be writing in. Literally why?
>>2799383
>Seriously, just google it.
Just answer the question
> People like you are annoying, always talking shit in threads they're not supposed to be writing in. Literally why?
Cuz it's a discussion board you insecure fuck
>>2799380
There are a lot of measure of "image quality" beyond resolution, and some features of the images produced with different styles of camera may be seen as advantages to some and disadvantages to others. For simple on-screen viewing, the relatively low resolution of 35mm film (normally) may be largely irrelevant, and someone may well want to take advantage of the different colour response of film, or its wide exposure latitude. A wide-ish aperture may also allow a 35mm P&S to get a narrower depth of field than a similar angle of view on a phone camera.
One also shoots differently when each frame is an actual physical thing, which helps some people take a more conscious approach to photography. Almost everyone who posts here is an amateur trying to get better, and this sort of constraint can help with that.
But finally, it's up to each person what they like. Grab a 35mm P&S and have a go. Was that fun for you? If not, cool, try something else.
anyone have this camera? thinking of picking it up but not sure if its worth the 350 price tag.
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>>2799409
Hell yeah, go for it
>>2799409
That's the most steampunkish dials I've ever seen on a relatively modern camera
>>2799420
The Epson RD-1 had some weird dials as well
>>2799380
good smartphone cameras already outresolve 35mm film. only reasons for shooting it are the aesthetics and experience, so your criticisms are worthless
>>2798015
Currently doing a test roll on a Ricoh FF3-AF, I'll report in a few days.
>>2799338
aren't trips used by autistics who keep shilling their fav gear here? At least thats the Impression I get from /p. Normally more of a robot
I'd just hunt for a Mju II or XA for cheap. I paid €40 for my Mju II (which is a bit much) and €23 for my XA. The Mju I feel takes the better pictures out of the two FWIW, but it's a bit too automatic at times.
I like film point & shoots. One day I'll get a Contax T2.
>>2799465
There are maybe 5 working XA's on ebay right now, and half of them have outrageous starting bids... I'm probably gonna be lurking around for a while trying to get a decent deal on one.
>>2799331
>shot this photo with it
>great lens
nope, that's a smeary mess.
Pic related is from the Pentacks in >>2798262
As you can see from the lights in the distance and the shallow DOF on the fence, it still uses wide apertures with flash, but it's still sharp enough to make out individual threads in the shirt fabric.
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>>2799369
>$400
>>2799804
youd be surprised, its got a good lens, the reason the photo is kinda soft is because it was a shitty scan of a print scanned on a crappy 100 dollar canon printer/scanner
also nice soft photo anon
>>2798085
Only to autistic hipster 90s fetishists.
Anyone with an objective eye knows it is a fucking hideous camera.
Youre like people on /o/ who obsess over the miata
>>2799965
ok kid.
>>2799970
Great post
Epic
>>2799369
>Not the Klasse W/S or the Natura Classica if you're spending $400+
>>2800015
we all know the natura and klasse are the god tier film point and shoots
>>2800115
Natura Classica and S are right Klassey
>>2799465
>Mju II for €40
Where did you get that? Or did you get the Zoom version?
OP here. How much is too much for an XA?
Been lurking around ebay for a few days now and I see some going for ~$100, way too much I think. I was trying not to pay any more than $75 (assuming perfect condition) or $45 (if I have to replace the seals). Is this the right price range to be looking in or am I a fag? (I'm probably a fag anyway, but ignore that and focus on the problem at hand.)
>>2801107
win it at an auction. fixed prices are always too much for anything.
>>2801110
That's what I'm trying... I've been bidding in accordance to the guidelines I just explained, but getting outbid every time and watching the item go for more than I was willing to pay. My question is more about whether I have a misconception about how much I should be paying.
>>2801113
its 2016. the boom of compact film cameras being good and cheap was about 10 or 15 years ago. now you have to pay for good functioning stuff. its how it is.
>>2801107
If you have the patience a good way to get one for cheap is to scroll through badly described listings every now and then, preferably on local auction sites (== not ebay).
I got my XA with the A16 flash in impeccable condition ~3 weeks ago for €15. It was listed as "Olympus camera".
They might be getting more valuable again, but since they look a lot like any other cheap compact P&S most people won't know what they're worth.
It's a wonderful camera btw, you won't regret getting one even at the regular ebay auction price.
>>2801107
I think I paid like $35 for mine with the A11 flash. I wouldn't pay more than $50 personally.
>>2802134
I paid 10 for my XA2 in the cool box with the flash, from an opshop.
Haven't actually seen pics from it yet, because I haven't developed colour negs in about 6 months now...
>>2798262
hey I recognize that surface
dont you collect fd lenses
gimme that 1.2 l
>>2802266
BOTH
>>2802136
I got an XA2 from a local camera repair shop's parts bin for $5. Just needed batteries.
Flipped it for like $35 since I already owned an XA though.
thoughts on the oly AF1?
>>2802689
seems like a great camera, supposedly just an ugly mju ii but the only problem is the fact that theres no flash control
>>2803265
found the AF1 Super fixes the flash thing, but its even uglier than the AF1.
>>2801107
If you're willing to take the risk, here's one for $45 with the presentation case. It's untested though so it's a gamble in terms of working condition.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Olympus-XA-F-Zuiko-1-2-8-35mm-camera-FREE-SHIPPING-/222066165489?hash=item33b42cc6f1:g:4a4AAOSwpIdW7Ks3
>>2802689
I have the AF-10, pretty happy with it considering it was barely the cost of a 6 pack of beer
fuck paying mju prices when AF-1 or AF-10 can be had for pennies
35MM point and shoots are my camera style of choice it seems.
Stylus Epic - Awesome size and fits pretty well in my slightly large hands. Weather proof is nice, and I tend to use it in the winter time/snowboarding/camping. I find the viewfinder kinda small. Lens is pretty good, but I think people get a little to excited about it. Prices have gone up like crazy for these. I wouldn't pay more than $100 for them.
XA - First compact I got. Didn't like it all that much from what I recall, but was a good introduction into compacts. Found the lens kind of soft, and didn't like the shutter button.
Contax T2 - My favorite compact. Feels sturdy in my hand, seems like it will last awhile. It's nice to have aperture controls and exposure compensation. Viewfinder is pretty good and bright. Lens is quite sharp and the auto focus is fast. Got mine for $250 locally. Usually the champaign one goes for $300-450. Prices are crazy for any of the other colours.
Yashica T4 - I like this one almost as much as the T2. Has a great lens and is quick to focus. I look at it as an upgrade of the Stylus Epic. Feels kind of cheap to the touch, but I've knocked it around a few times and it's still running strong. You can usually find these around $150-200 from what I've seen.
Ricoh GR - Never tried one of these. I like the shape of them and the material. Not really a fan of the 28mm lens though, as I find that to wide for my tastes. And they're notoriously unreliable. Pretty expensive for something like that.
Contax T3 - Doesn't seem worth the extra money compared to all the other options out there.
>>2804413
this, 35mm p&s are my camera waifus, i can only dream of having a t4 (or until i just have the money)
>>2804997
olympus mju 2 is way better desu not to mention that a lot of t4's aren't properly working
Any of you fellas ever score a super cheap P&S gem at a Goodwill or pawn shop?
$10
I dare you to find a smaller 35mm film camera, it's so small I've lost two of them already.
Ignore the inflated collectors hipster tax on ebay you can find these in pawn shops for 5 or 10 bucks.
>>2805033
Found a Yashica T4 Super at the thrift store for $3.
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>>2805079
I found a Yashica once, too. I was crapping my pants because I thought it was a T whatever and I would get rich from selling it. It was one of their advantix cameras. It is a nice camera though.
>>2804413
>Contax T2
>autofocus is unreliable, will often ignore small objects and opt for the background instead
>lens performance is average at best due to extreme vignetting at both ends of the scale, actually good at a narrow aperture envelope
>huge brick, not pocketable at all
>expensive, makes you hurt if it gets stolen
>winder is loud, no stealth shots
Don't get me wrong, it's pretty good for a compact, but worth at most $100 for the brickhouse build quality and exposure compensation dial. If you pay any more for a Contax T2, you got ripped off for a rich man's holiday snapshitter. Its massive size is what really kills it for me, if I have to carry a case I might as well take a SLR.
>>2805033
I got a brand new in box Canon SureShot 80u for $5 aud. Just finished my first roll with it. The lens is most likely soft as all fuck, and the aperture range is garbage but for 5 oz bux I can't really complain. Head to a few stores and see what you can find. No one buys them anymore so you can usually find a lot.
>>2805056
Does the viewfinder show what you're focusing on? I recently bought a cheapo P+S and for some ungodly reason it has an uncoupled viewfinder meaning you pretty much have to put the subject in the middle of the frame and pray it focuses on that instead of backfocusing.
>>2805056
>I've lost two of them already.
That's because you're sugar, you fucking moron, not because it's small.
>>2805156
I can't think of *any* 35mm P+S that shows what it's focussing on.
>>2805227
SLR's have spoiled me clearly. I just want a proper rangefinder / viewfinder damn it. I don't trust the AF system on these cameras at all
>>2805227
Some will show a vague focusing scale in the viewfinder.
The Nikon L35AF has a little needle that slides along a scale from one person to 2 people to mountains depending on where it picked focus.
>>2805056
>28mm fuck man i need this got the Mju 1 and 2 but i just want some wider compact
>>2805155
thats not even worth 5$ mate
>>2805274
Probably not, but it's fun to shoot with. The maximum aperture fully zoomed at 80mm is f9 kek. I'm hoping to move on to something a bit better soon and keep this camera for experimental stuff
>>2805280
You seem like an alright guy, i hope you find a nice yashica in a thriftstore or whatever. Good luck anon
>>2805408
post a picture you took with your klasse s
>>2805412
I use it mostly for party snaps, so not really anything worth posting here.
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>>2805414
>not really anything worth posting here.
with you, thats everytime, tho.
>>2805434
I'm sure you post great photos all the time bro, good job
>>2798015
olympus XA is the only answer for point-and-shoot film cameras.
>>2805434
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Ordered a Konica AA-35 on a whim today. Half frame autofocus P&S with 35mm equivalent lens and built in flash, didn't even know something like that existed.
>>2805585
>Ordered a Konica AA-35 on a whim today
where?
>>2805148
I could maybe agree with the auto focus, but i'd say it's a rare miss, unless you're into shooting from the hip or 'quick street snaps'
Not pocketable unless you've got a jacket for sure.
It's not cheap, and not getting cheaper, but if you're into 35mm P&S, it's probably the best value for what you get.
Definitely worth way more than $100
>>2805585
I completely forgot these even existed.
>>2805765
At around 300-400 dollarydoos I expect my camera to have excellent lens performance. Contax T2 ranks average at best because the corners of the frame are smudgy and awful, easily outperformed by Olympus and Minolta P&S that cost less than half the price. None of its other features warrant the price tag. To say that the T2 is the best value for money in P&S is like recommending an Alfa Romeo for a Sunday driver's commute car.
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I always put my heart into the Contax T2, or Contax in general. I know they have a slightly cult following as a p&s but their lenses are incredible.
I've carried one around with me on a belt attachment along side my M6 and when I've had film developed, often forget which roll came from which! They're also aperture priority which allows me that level of control.
They're easy to find and much more reliable than any other p&s I've ever used (I have also used the Contax TVS III and it was a brilliant camera, but felt slow to use).
If you want to see how I use this camera then I upload a lot of them shots on instagram: simonpatrickgabriel
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>>2806412
I happen to disagree, from someone who's sold much more expensive cameras to buy cheaper ones that worked better, the T2 is an all-round fantastic camera and totally worth the money you pay - I've never been tempted to sell it due to the performance it gives.
I'm not the most scientific when it comes to how a lens crops or how sharp its edges are, but in real life situations the T2 has out-performed ant P&S I've ever used. I do not treat or see it as a flashy purchase.
>>2806414
>Contaxfags out of the woodwork to praise the overpriced drunk tunnel vision brick
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>>2806412
But Alfas ARE commuter cars, bb.
>>2806434
Sure, if you sell your house and commute from the auto repair shop toilet where they let you hole up because you're paying half of their budget.
>>2808048
Kameratori.fi, a Finnish store that sells mostly film gear. Jusy received it today and loaded it, though it's gonna be a while until I see any pics because 36 shot roll and half frame is like that.
>>2808162
I'm thinking of trying to sell them my Contax T2, hopefully they'll offer a fair price. I really don't want to deal with Ebay and trying to extract money from Paypal. Bring to mind a recent occasion when I visited their store in Pyynikki, an old drunkard tried to sell them a really shabby-looking Dynax probably thinking it was worth a fortune. Damn near lost his shit when they offered him 15€ for it.
>>2799965
it's not that bad, relax man
miatas are fun anyways, neck yourself
>be on ebay
>spot a nice film camera without bidders at very low starting price
>30 seconds to go and there is one bid
>then two bids
>say fuck it and put lot more than you wanted to bid
>GOT AWAY
this just happened, hold me /p/. life is hell.
>>2808188
You gotta learn to snipe bid senpai :3
>>2808178
I would guess they'd offer a fair price. Contax T2's occasionally seem to pop up on Kameralaukku too, one day I'll buy one of them.
I've gone through a few flea markets and it doesn't really make sense how stuff is priced here, and I'm not sure there are any deals to be found really. Only thing I've got from those was an Olympus Mju zoom for 3,5€ that my gf bought for me, and a roll of super expired Hp5 (not plus) for IIRC an euro or two. At the same place I got the Hp5 from there were a couple pieces of shit labeled as "antique camera" for ~hundred euros, there also was a Fed 5 with Industar 61 where I got the Mju zoom from for IIRC €70.
>>2808211
but i was snipping, wasnt i?
I would say get an Olympus Infinity Stylus. Some people consider it their favorite point and shoot of all time.
>>2808280
You need to wait til the last 10-15 seconds no joke. 30 seconds is more than enough time for some one to respond.
>>2805056
>28mm
>no daido tax
dang, time to sell my ricoh
>>2806380
effay af desu senpai
>>2808389
30 seconds was when the action started with all the faggots putting money.
i waited to 5 secs as i always do. ive won lots before, like 95%, but i didnt throw lots of money at it this time because the shipping was too fucking much, i held back.
>>2808260
First: Avoid places where people bring their shit for sale in a dedicated shelf and do the pricing themselves. They almost never contain anything valuable and people tend to overestimate the worth of their junk. You can't haggle either because the clerk is purely a middleman. Go for places that buy the stuff they sell, it also acts as a shit filter because the shop owner usually has some idea what's actually usable and what is just shit.
Most of the stuff these shops have comes from estates. As such, they get a constant flow of items, and therefore it's best to visit them periodically as their selection changes. Especially after large collector's and antique events, because the shops often do deals at those to acquire what they deem worth something, trade stuff between other dealers, and meet with estate owners. Usually it's just junk, but every now and then you get lucky and can find lenses and cameras in surprisingly pristine condition. Their pricing is pretty random, most just want a quick buck and therefore sell for cheap, while others think they can get away with charging 100€ for a camera they don't even know much about. Be social, the old people who typically run these shops love to chat, and can give you valuable hints on who else might have something you're interested in. Also they often have less sorted stuff lying around, if they know you're interested in cameras, they may promise to dig something up for you next time you stop by.
Other important places are local brick and mortar camera shops as they very often have old camera frames and lenses sitting around in glass cabinets as sort of decoration, which they usually are more than willing to sell. They pretty much never ask for a certain price but want you to name yours so it's important to do research and be ready to haggle, otherwise they'll try to rip you off. Going around these shops to see what they have is a great way to pass time.
>>2799428
>good smartphone cameras already outresolve 35mm film
Please do tell which cameras and how many MB they got. Are you comparing to a home scanned 35mm here?
>>2799440
Delivar.
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>>2809491
saved. its comfy. what film?
>>2809567
Thanks, just a roll of Kodak Ultramax 400.
Actually the film (env. 6$) cost me more than the camera.
>>2799369
I have owned the special Natura Black (unlike the others it has exposure compensation and some other features) since practically it came out. It's a great camera and I really enjoy using it. Great lens too.
>>2809968
post some pics anon
this is from my Rollei 90s prego p&s. pretty good glass, but very un-compact and ugly as fuck.
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I love my Nikon Fun Touch 6. Solid lil piece of plastic. 28mm fixed.
Pic related.
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>>2810907
One more for good measure.
Fun Touch Army, yo.
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>>2799335
nice photo anon
>>2799340
>>2799340
Got my first roll back with this $5 camera. Pretty decent results surprisingly. Bit of vignetting but the lens is acceptably sharp and it operates perfectly. The viewfinder parallax is pretty shitty though, the viewfinder seems to be stuck in macro framing mode which makes shooting normally quite interesting. Most of my subjects are shifted to the left of where I framed them. Oh well! It's a fun camera to shoot with and I think I'll be keeping for everyday use
Here's an example from the roll. The flash metering seems to be quite good!
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>>2799334
do you recommend this camera? I'm seriously considering it
>>2808675
You sound exactly like me, i like you anon
anyone have any experience with the leica mini zoom?
I wonder when they shifted towards 28/35mm when the past had many 45s.
>>2799369
I just shot a roll of trix through my L35 AF2 that I got on eBay for $23 and I was really impressed with the results.
Would buying a point and shoot like this for $300+ really be worth it?
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One of the snapshits from my roll.
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>>2813865
I do, feels good in the hand and i really like the focussing box instead of the crosshair that the Mju II has. But i wouldn't pay more than 25$ for one.
also peter gabriel uses olympus xa
>>2798015
olympus mju or mju 2 is pretty darn good
>>2818881
>tfw got 2 olympus Mju II
>both are in someway broken
just kill me please
