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>>2701242
Forwarding my question from >>>2701239
Also, now that we're in subject of red. What's the cheapest I can spend to get my hands on a red camera? That includes all the fucking accessories (battery, lens mount and shit)
I'm talking about the cheapest red possible.
>>2701246
With all the peripherals it's still going to cost you well over 5k my friend. It's just not worth it because the sensors for those are absolute trash now.
The C100 is nice and easy to work with, but it's on its way out senpai. Think about how long you'll need it for.
>>2701249
What camera do you use?
>>2701249
BlackMagics (CM, PC & URSA)
GH4
A7S
Nikon D810
Sold my Canons. Had a couple 70ds and have rented a c100 (c300 once) numerous times. I use whatever the shot needs however.
Can you use Magicbullet Looks with Premiere Elements?
Does anybody even have any pictures of Premiere Elements 14 being used?
>>2701253
The Nikon D810 sounds decent enough.
How's the 1080p/60fps capability? Is it still garbage-tier dslr video or it stands out a little?
>>2701257
The 810 is gr8 m8. Severely underrated camera. Most people avoid Nikons for vid because they're fucking morons but it does wonders.
>>'2701238'
Well anon idk it's a school project and it's pretty much the guys baby but i'd be willing to drop about 20-50 on equipment.
>>2701267
I avoid it because I'm a canonbabby.
Anyways, I'm kinda sticking on getting a FS700 body, I can actually find one for 3000 in my country (used, but whocares). Add lenses, tripods, mic and shit and we get shy to 6000€.
Do you think it's a good deal if I want to start my own YouTube career? Also taking a couple of cinema production courses and perhaps make a living out of it.
It's a big investment t b h
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kddyzqrirMA
shot this over the course of a year with my old t3i
if you have 18 minutes to kill watch it and tell me what you think
>>2701267
How does it compare to D800?
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>>2701315
>FS700 for 450€/week
Might as well buy it kek
>>2701317
No point in spending that much if you're not going to be making money off of it with a kit fee. Even then, production can pay for rentals and you're not as limited.
Holy fuck the URSA Mini.
>Super 35
>4k/60
>prores
>ef mount
>3000
Literally fuck anything else t b h
Why shouldn't I get one of these?
>>2701394
The sensor is crap. Blackmagic firmware lacks essential features and can be unreliable. Feels quite good to shoulder, though.
>>2701394
Because you love spec sheets.
>ef mount
Just get mft mount, Canon lenses a shit for video.
>>2701449
>implying I'll get canon lenses
My sigma art kit laughs at you.
Thing is though, is the ursa capable to record 4k by itself or do I need some special recorder? Seems llke you can at least get 1080/60 with just the body, lens, memory and shoulder mount rig? I hope I dom't have to carry some external stuff with me unless I go 4k.
>the sensor is crap
Looks decent enough from what I've seen, eons above what you can get for the price (C100 kek, GH4 meme)
Ursa mini release date W H E N
Choosing uni in britbong
film studies or film production?
>>2701932
production
or both
>>2701936
The ones for studies has better statistics for job and pay after graduation tho.
What are good unis for film production?
How is the G7 for color rendition and DR? I have an offer to trade my a6000 for one. (along with native lenses from each of us)
I also have an offer for my whole a6000 kit for a BMPCC with a cage and a Metabones speedbooster. Are either of these a good idea? My other two cameras are canon rebels fwiw
Ursa Mini, FS700 or C100 (lel)
>>2701394
15 stop only in rolling shutter mode.
In global it's 12.
No built-in ND.
Still no managable slow-motion, and even that 720p shit that they give you is in windowed mode.
Otherwise p good.
How does one stabilized footage?
I bet this would make for an interesting music video
>>2701961
That fucking warp stabilization used by vimeo hiptsters makes me fucking vomit. All who uses it must die from prostate cancer.
>>2701959
Unless you go highspeed rolling shutter isn't that bad right?
Also can I use global shutter for 1080/60?
>>2701964
Chickens did it first
>>2701968
I want that very unnatural look to my videos, and when something is clearly in motion but 100% still, it's unparalleled.
Is there a mount I can attach to myself, or is this all post editing frame by frame, or a software perhaps?
>tfw trying for the first time color grading of a 4k raw dji inspire aerial
>realize I'm doing it on a 1080p tn uncalibrated gayming monitor
I know.
Anyone submitting anything to Sundance Ignite?
Is it a worthwhile competition?
>>2701246
reduser.net has a for sale section, but honestly, you're not going to get one cheap because the kits/peripherals you need for operation are gouged, unless the seller went wooden camera for some of the mounting plates. Honestly, just rent one, and this is coming from someone who owns a Scarlet. I love it and hate it at the same time. As much as I love the sensor, I highly doubt I'll ever put money in Jim Jannard's pocket again
>>2701251
Yeah eh?!
>>2701246
get a Sony HXR.
>>2702034
grading doesn't necessarily means correct to real life colours.
you can add whatever tint you want.
>>2702204
>non interchangeable lens
Into the disposable rubbish bin it goes t b h
>>2701465
>My sigma art kit laughs at you
I laugh at your sub-par focus rings. Seriously though, arts for video? Invest in good mechanics, most glass today has reached a point of diminishing returns and you'd be better off getting a focus ring that actually has a throw longer than your dick. And yes it can do 4k by itself, but have fun with the cost of cfast. The gh4 is a great value for the money, especially considering even with an external recorder for 10bit 422, the cost of the base system is half of the ursa. And laugh at the C100 if you want but the thing is a workhorse, as much as I hate to praise Canon. Their C line is bulletproof, and their customer service and turnaround time is great. The fact that their cameras get rented out so often that houses here in LA fall short speaks for itself. Out in the field, you need a camera that doesn't fail on your or give you problems, and Blackmagic has yet to prove their cameras can do that and has yet to set up adequate service for their cameras to get them back out as fast(or out to begin with) as is normally necessary. But I guess if you're a one man band shooting for yourself none of that matters.
>>2702153
>owns a Scarlet
Thats the problem mayne.
I often wonder, how do you get that professional look for your videos.
If I make a trailer for some event, for example, the shots and cuts look good, but there is still that something that is missing, which makes it look amateurish.
What is it?
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>>2702237
What is your experience with the 10bit 422 on the gh4? I was considering getting an external recorder but they are expensive and it doesn't seem to make that big of a difference
>>2702240
Probably poor lighting/grading
>>2702237
The GH4 is just glorified dslr video, as usual.
And I can't talk about the ursa yet, but I can say that the Blackmagic's hardware (intensity) and software (davinci, recording engine) and all i can say is that it's absoltely top notch, so I kinda expect the same for the URSA.
I'd get the C100 in a heartbeat if it had some sort of 4k or AT LEAST 1080/60, but canon wants me to spend 2k for that, so nope.
My other choice is the fs700, aside from avchd and sd card limitations (also 4k upgrade) I find no really bad cons in it. I guess I can get it used for around the ursa mini price, but is it really worth it?
So, uh, how do I into sound?
I mean once I've got all my footage and stuff and ive edited, what do i do with the sound?
Do i make one track with all the foley and such mixed together, or do I add individual foley clips in the editor? Does anyone know any good guides for this, im quite lost
>>2702250
I'm in the process of trying to get my hands on some substantial 10bit footage. I have some already but nothing like say dailies from a short, it's all just random crap. As soon as I can get my hands on a computer that can run resolve I'm going to put the footage through the wringer. You'll only notice the difference if you know what you're looking for and you try to grade the footage in way that would break normal 8bit 420. It's not raw, but it's a great codec, especially for turnaround. One other thing you have to remember about external recorders is that with something like a shogun, you not only get a recorder, you also get a very good monitor a well, which comes in handy on many levels.
>>2702229
>2 XLR inputs w/ phantom power for real microphones
>powered remote zoom and focus
>HD-SDI out
>can record longer than 5 fucking minutes
Yeah I guess it's rubbish for people who don't do this for a living
>>2702541
>Yeah I guess it's rubbish for people who don't do this for a living
look at the board you're on anon. It's quite literally weekend warrior central.
>>2701976
You mean you just want stabilized motion? You use a gimbal for that. It basically uses a counter weight to cancel all the motion of the camera so you can carry it around without shakiness.
The industry standard is steadicam, but those are very expensive, so a lot of people use glidecam. The lighter your camera is, the cheaper the model you can get. Whatever model or brand you choose, they take a lot of practice to get reasonably stable footage, and it's going to be significantly heavier than the camera by itself.
>>2702541
>2 XLR inputs w/ phantom power for real microphones
Ursa has it too, also uses phantom power to power itself
>powered remote zoom and focus
>non interchangeable lens
At least it has that.
>HD-SDI out
Ursa has dual 3G Sdi in and out, hd sdi is deprecated.
>can record longer than 5 fucking minutes
Once you stop being an amateur and you start working, you'll realize equipment is least of the problems and a prosum camcorder is as rubbish as it sounds.
>>2702462
Put it into a daw and mix them. Then export the stereo track and import it into your editor.
Who recent purchase here?
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>>2701283
Fuck you, man, that scream was startling.
Besides better controls, what's the point of a dedicated camcorder?
How does the Canon 1D C compare to other recording systems?
>>2702803
Canon 1Dc is quite possibly the single most ridiculously overpriced prodcut out there
>>2702718
sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do i make sure that stuff like footsteps etc are in sync with the footage if im editing the sound separately?
Are there programs that let you edit the sound while watching a small preview of the footage or something?
>>2702813
Yeah, kind of stupid question, like most things you could have found this out from a Google search.
I've only ever used Pro Tools, Forge and Audition which all play video so I imagine most other programs do it as well.
>>2702874
Can one of the resident pros rec the very *best* program for this task?
>>2701242
I am an 18 year old college freshman.
Obviously little disposable income.
Family doesn't do gifts, so will likely get $5-600 for Christmas.
I have a D40 so I'd like a camera than can replace that for stills and can also shoot decent video.
Doesn't have to be spectacular, just as many controls/options as possible.
>>2702942
>that pic
top kek, those were the days
>>2702813
Do a clap test so the clapping is seen in the camera and the sound is recorded. Then frame-match the sound to the visual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapperboard
If your camera has an internal microphone you can use the sound from there to align the externally recorded audio to. I do this in Audacity by importing the sound from the video file and the external sound source. Then move the external sound along the timeline using the Time Shift Tool until the sound samples match. Good alignment will produce a slightly muffled sound, bad alignment will result in echo.
After alignment I make sure the front portion and the end portion are deleted and export to match the length of the video file. You can import the aligned track into your NLE, but in my case I simply mux the track with the video stream and omit the internal soud using ffmpeg.
>>2702969
>echo
eh not echo but delay
>>2702942
I have a D40 too and I've been eyeing the D5300. Check Craigslist and eBay, been seeing this pop up in the $400 range
>>2702969
sorry if this was unclear, but I meant footsteps etc in terms of foley, I don't have a problem with on-location sound
>>2702810
I'm sure it's still higher than what it should be but I was wondering about its performance.
this is how weird Blackmagic users are
youtube.com/watch?v=kB9jo5FiFBM
>>2702561
>Talking about deprecated in an industry that takes time and money to adapt & standardize systems
Shiggy
>>2702991
how did this faggot get one already?
When are they fucking supposed to ship them?
>>2703043
It's the 4.6K one that hasnt shipped yet
>>2703109
I can't find the 4k version anywhere either.
Care to point me in the right direction?
>>2703110
Are you retarded m8. I would actually link it to you if it was hard to find but its not hard to search blackmagic ursa mini 4k.
>>2703276
Find me ONE retailer that sells the 4k version and then you'll call me a retard.
Can't find any? Thought so, sperglord.
Should I use some sort of DSLR hack if I plan on recording in a better quality?
Thanks.
NikonHack is what I'm referring to.
>>2703282
https://www.vistek.ca/store/ProVideoCamcorders/279953/blackmagic-design-ursa-mini-4k-ef-digital-film-camera.aspx
>Web Availability: On Order
>Ridicously overpriced
You're a special kind aren't you?
>>2703360
>find one
Found one. Now go fondle yourself little man.
Should I buy a Canon 5d mark ii? I have a bmpcc, but I don't have the resources to rig it up.
>>2702981
Cubase DAW has a video preview.
>>2703442
Only the finest autism on /p/vid
>>2701949
still looking for feedback-- anyone here work with the g7? worth upgrading to it from the a6000?
A question of interest: I'm planning on moving to Sony A6000 and use my current Canon lenses. Will the image stabilization on my 24-105 work if I get an electronic adapter?
>>2703801
Alright, that's cool to know. I don't really have much concern for the AF as much as I do the IS, but thanks for the input! Really makes an argument for sticking with the 24-105, but now I sort of want to consider swapping it for the Sigma 18-35 as well, since I shoot mostly promotional videos anyway...
>>2703802
I will say this-- the IS on sony's native lenses is *really* good; particularly the 50mm 1.8 prime with OSS. it's like 200-250 on CL if you look hard enough and worth every penny if you ever shoot handheld in low light
>>2703301
yeah, you'll notice a difference, not major but you'll get less artifacts in your video. The other features are pretty useful as well.
Does anyone here regularly shoot on 8/16/35mm?
>>2704032
35mm is my favorite focal length
>>2703455
I have one. It's beautiful for pictures but the video is shit when it's out the box. Even with Magic Lantern there's too much moire and dead pixels at night. I'd say save up for that BMPCC
>>2704032
I regularly put 8mm cameras back on the shelf after renting them to hipsters for their "art" film about ashtrays on Tri-X.
So I'm thinking of buying "the ultimate BMPCC combo". Speedbooster + Sigma 18-35.
But why the fuck i must spend over 500$ bucks for an adapter? There are nikon focal redusers that have manual aparature right?
>tfw just got back from a shoot and all the footage is fucking blue because of bad white balance
just kill me now
>>2704291
just get one of the chinese ones for $50, they're perfectly adequate
>>2704291
Metabones adds a 1 stop reduction. That's why the 18-35 with the speedbooster is the bokeh and everyone cums on it.
>>2704308
Resolve that shit up
>>2704309
if you want to get a ching chong one, get a zhongyi. they're $150 to $200.
the $50 no brands are junk. blurry that you might as well don't use a speedbooster.
>>2704316
I think Zhongyi does that one too,
Are there any festivals that specialise in films that are roughly 40 minutes long?
I've made something of that length, and it wouldn't work if I cut it down or if I added more
>>2704426
short-film specific festivals are you best bet
though they're often 40 minutes or less
Films between 40 and ~60/70 minutes exist in a weird limbo. It might be worth shopping it around tv stations as a potential pilot for a tv show
>>2704431
eh I don't think any TV show will want a Peter Hutton style film
I have $5000 to spend, what camera / equipment do I get? I mainly spot cars in downtown Toronto but I'd like to get into vacation photography and video, as well as just film making / photography
Any ideas?
>>2704542
Ursa Mini or used FS700
Manfrotto Tripods
Odyssey and Metabones for fs700
Sigma 18-35
Want to rent a cinema camera for a film.
Budget $1,000 for equipment.
Thinking C300 Mk II. Thoughts?
>>2704581
banasonic gh4 + anamorphic lens.
>>2704581
Grip truck.
>>2704581
idk you could probably rent one of the FS cameras for the same/ less and have some more grading range
really it depends on what kind of film are you shooting-- mood, location, length of shoot, outdoors vs controlled lighting, what aspect ratio-- what do you need out of the camera?
>>2704542
if you're "getting into" it for the first time, dont drop five grand.
Get something like a sony a6000 or a panasonic G7, get a fast vintage manual prime lens (50mm 1.4 or something along those lines) to go along with your kit lens, and see what you like and dont like about the experience.
save your money until you know for sure what you want to make.
>>2704631
that shit needs like 10 batteries for a full shoot day
i used one 2 nights ago
>>2704032
Hoping to work with 16mm in the near future.
/p/ acts like actual film for filmmaking is this really old obsolete thing that has absolutely no place in all of cinema and bashes the shit out of people who even bring it up. Then, on the flip note, when asked about film photography they're all willing to draw their swords of spaghetti to defend "muh Portra" to the death.
>>2704671
UK?
>>2704679
States unfortunately.
Stupid Question:
So in lightroom you can use lens profiles to correct distortion/vignetting.
Is there any way to do this with say premiere pro or davinci resolve that doesn't involve doing it manually?
>>2704671
You've been reading the wrong threads.
Film is still superior to most digital but in order to actually film in this format you'd have to spend way way more money in the long run than investing in difital hardware. This is why nobody recommends film for video, it's fucking 4chan not everyone here is rich.
question: would the panasonic g7 be a big upgrade from the sony a6000? im mulling over that option, since i have an offer to trade, the only thing holding me back is i love the stabilized 50mm lens on the sony
>>2705111
Keep your Sony, nigga
Wait for the A7000 or get an A7s
Prices for the A7S are going to drop even fruther now that the Mark II is out.
>>2701940
I go to Staffordshire University and I do film production. We have had students winning National Television Awards this year and in previous years. I'm trying to work for one this year since it's my final year attending.
>>2704581
BM 4k is great if your okay with thinking
>muh hard drives
all of the time.
I have the opportunity to jump on an A7 with the 24-70/4 OSS for around $1300
I understand that the first A7 isn't that good for video compared to the second generation of A7 cameras and the first A7s, but I'll be moving up from a crop Canon body, would this be advisable?
>>2705378
considering a7's are going for under $600 that's one of the worst offers I've ever seen. It's a shit lens that won't be worth $200 within a year (when the real 24-70 comes out)
Should you buy an a7 for $600 instead of using a crop canon, yes, definitely.
>>2705382
Hrmm, true, all I know about the 24-70 are the prices on EBay, and they're all pretty high. Maybe I'll wait a bit since the price on Sony bodies seems to be dropping fast.
Right now I'm running a Canon 600D with a 24STM, 40STM, and 100 Macro USM (for photo and video), so I was mostly thinking about improved low light performance and the convenience of having just one lens strapped to the body.
youtu.be/lIGyecAxfI8
can you guys give me some notes on this? I'm just getting into video from a heavy photography background and I could really use a healthy /p/ ripping
>>2701267
What about crop Nikon cameras? Are there any good options there for video? The last time I handled a D7000 there were some issues regarding the aperture control, but I've never tried any of the later models.
Has anone here used the Alexa Mini yet?
>ask in forum about
Rokinon Cine CV10M-C 10mm T3.1
vs
Samyang 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS CS Ultra Wide Angle Lens
>"rokinon and samyang are the same thing
>"T3.1 is the same as f2.8"
is this broscience?
>>2706309
t != f
noob, yes they are the same lens optically.
>>2706309
are you dumb?
What'd be a good compact / bridge camera that shoots 4k and has decent macro?
Autofocus during video is important while low light performance / high iso or LOG and stuff like that is not.
User won't do any post production at all besides possibly, though usually not at all, cutting.
I guess mic input would be useful.
So I want to buy somethign "decent" for 4k video (with an external recorder) and that also shoot decent photos. The only reasonable choices are sony mirrorless it seems, but I can't decide which model.
I need something with direct hdmi output (like the GH4).
>why not the GH4
Takes photos like crap and micro 4/3 is trash.
>>2707264
superpleb spotted.
>>2707280
>he bought a GH4
Good luck selling that when literally hundreds of other retards like you fell for the meme.
>>2707281
I shoot full frame, fag.
>>2707282
Then what's the problem with Sony's mirrorless, fuckboi?
>he uses Canon
Oh, I'm sorry.
>>2707284
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I shoot Nikon btw, fucktard. ;)
>>2707285
>Nikon
How's that 1080p treating you?
>>2707285
get out
>>2707286
Almost as good as my uncompressed RAW.
Anyway, quit shitting up the video thread and go buy an a7r2.
>>2707288
>shoots nikon
>thinks he's as good as uncompressed raw
Please leave. You're embarassing yourself.
Yo, I've got a Sankor 16F,
What's the widest taking lens that I can use that won't vignette?
Thanks.
>>2707150
LUMIX LX100
Why does the alexa cost so fucking much?
It's just a super 35 with not even a 4k sensor.
Is it because of the codec?
So what are the cheapest professional cinema cameras?
Arri Mini
AJA Cion
URSA
What else?
We should make a dedicated list for these
>>2707423
>arri mini
>cheap
Hey Ali-am Radij. Can I have one too?
>>2707430
Relatively inexpensive
Compared to an Alexa, for instance
>>2707326
Any alternatives at all?
>>2707475
The main contender is the Sony Rx100mk3/mk4, but imo the lx100 is better
>>2707507
Okay thanks.
>>2707281
>Selling your camera
>Not using it until the end of it's life cycle and getting paid gigs to offset the cost of the initial purchase
>Not writing it off as a business expense
I forget that almost no one here actually works, and they're just a bunch of spec-whoring hobbyists. Also, have fun with your 8-bit and no anamorphic support.
>>2707423
>professional
>URSA
That thing still needs to prove itself before being considered professional. The CION is a bipolar block but for the price it's not bad. If you have the money for it, grab yourself an F35. Or failing that, and F3. Red One's are relatively cheap and still put out a decent picture for the age of the sensor.
>>2707400
On a professional set, a half hour of downtime or a missed take because of a camera fuck up can literally cost $5-10k. In the long run, paying the extra money for a camera that is completely bomb proof and caveman simple to use makes sense.
Also, the dynamic range, highlight rolloff and skin tones are some of the best out of any camera out there. They also have great, quality of life features pros appreciate like a high quality EVF and all kinds of different codec supports.
Not to be a dick but the people on this forum are backyard filmmakers and gear nerds and don't really understand what a real, professional production looks like.
Me and my boys made a video about saving electricity for a competiion.
Apparently it's like-based and we're 200 likes behind the most liked video.
I was behind the cam and spent 5hours filming (all the fail cuts), 8hours editing. In one night.
It's definitely not the best video I've made but we were in a hurry because the winner will be announced 25th nov.
Now I don't have anything bad to say about that leader-position video but in my opinion that's a bit unfair. It comes to question that why the fuck did I spend so much time and energy if someone beats me like that.
Would you take a peak at my video? It's apparently in Estonian but you get the idea.
pic related, snapshot from the take
>>2707639
No problem anon, there i just liked your video
>>2707639
Whoops, forgot the link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WP92d8sCBno
>>2707647
Nice one.
Not forgetting the link, getting the hang of the feedback before posting the link,
Anybody know how the dynamic range of the Panasonic G7 compares to the GH4?
Wow, I recently got to try a Sony AX1 "prosumer" 4k camera ($4500 msrp) and it's pretty disappointing for the price. It's ultra noisy indoors and even pretty bad outdoors. It also uses an awful proprietary Sony memory card format, and only records in 8bit H.264.
I thought that at the end of 2015 there would be good prosumer 4k recorders. I guess not.
>>2707874
U S E D F S 7 0 0
>>2707859
they're both garbage
all the sony haters on this board lmfao
>>2707874
>good
>prosumer
>4k
okay.
>>2701242
Best lens for run and gun film making? I usually just bring my camera over to a friends house and we film something stupid but it's fun. I was thinking sigma's 17-50mm F2.8? Currently use the kit lens because of image stabilization, but the variable aperture and small/shitty focus ring are annoying. I have a 50mm 1.8 and 24mm 2.8 but they're not image stabilized. I shoot almsot exclusively hand held.
Can I buy anything worthwhile for short film/music videos with like 200 dollars?
Hey guys, I've been commissioned to make a short-doc about a new hospital that just opened in town. I've shot all the video, including a couple of interviews for the doco, however, I've never really put together a clip at this caliber before.
What is the best video editing workflow? Do I grade each clip before compiling it in Premiere or grade it after I've done that part of the editing.
>>2707874
get the FS5
>>2701242
Arri > Sony >> Canon >>>> Shit >>>>>>> RED
>>2708516
Prelude downsample -> Cut in Premiere -> Master Audio in Audition -> Grade in Resolve/SpeedGrade -> Online editing in After Effects -> Media Encoder for delivery
>>2708524
Thanks!
>>2708524
avisynth > all your shit
>>2708412
it depends on your budget (also, your mount, but it sounds like you use canon). If you've got a small budget, yes, the sigma 17-50 is solid (the tamron is significantly worse desu).
However, if you have more money, in canon mount, I'd pick up a 24-105 f/4 and a 35mm f/2 IS-- the zoom covers most focal lengths you need, and the 35mm f/2 IS is my single favorite canon lens-- sharp as a tack, fast for low light, incredible IS for video, and a good manual focus ring.
If you shoot sony, I'd actually just pick up their two stabilized primes: 50 1.8 and 35 1.8, they both rock, though their manual focus rings suck
But more important than any lens: get some stabilization. Glidecams/etc are a little finnicky and pricier, and if you really do run and gun stuff, I'd look either at a shoulder rails rig, or if you want something cheaper and more versatile, one of those cheap 40 mantis folding rigs off amazon.
>>2708550
ugh dont mind the typo there "desu" is supposed to be "imo"
So how much does the Arri Mini actually cost?
How do I grade like video related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNHxwSp-6Og
>>2708599
in rgb curves raise the red mids, add a hint of blue in the shadows, lower the blue mids a little
>>2708599
Probably some sort of film emulation LUT, some soft clipping to get milky blacks and then some dust and scratches overlaid. There's also a bit of production design gone into getting mostly orange/brown/peachy and turquoise blue colours as well.
>>2707639
>It comes to question that why the fuck did I spend so much time and energy if someone beats me like that
Christ you kids complain about everything. Just be thankful you don't have to put in multiple 12+ hour days for a shoot that may not even be yours or a project that no one may ever see outside of your immediate circle of colleagues. Hobbyists are the worst.
Since nobody reacted to my question in the gear thread:
I decided (due to creative reasons) to shot my future motion picture on a single focal lenght lens. I chose 35mm (on 2x crop). Since all will be avaible light and - you know - small sensor, I will need a really fast lens. What I found so far:
SLR Magic Hyperprime 35/0.95
Mitakon Speedmaster 35/0.95
Voigtländer Nokton 35/0.95
Meyer-Görlitz Noctiturnus 35/0.95
Alternatively I could use my 50mm/1.2 Zuiko with a 0.72 Speedbooster.
My question is what costs are really necessarry, since we're talking about video. Costs would be:
Zuiko + MB - 400€
Mitakon - 800€
Voigtländer - 1000€
SLR Magic - 1200€
Meyer-Görlitz - 2000€
Which has the best price-value ratio?
>>2708595
40000
>>2708718
40k ???
Shit I thought it was 5k or so
How much does an Alexa cost then?
>>2708730
dude .. google
>>2708798
>spending time and energy googling when you can just get a bored anon to do it for you
top cug
>>2708730
lol maybe the viewfinder is 5k
>>2708543
Why would you write a script where the workflow doesn't benefit from writing a script?
>>2701242
Allo buggers, what DSLR do you reckon I should acquire for travel and surf photography. Gonna DIY my own housing out of perspex and shit. Would a canon 600d be a good camera?
After a grueling month of writing uni papers, I've finally been able to get back into the editing room
I think I've spent about six hours just editing today
- got myself a rough cut being compiled as I type this, it's been a good day
Can someone explain to me why you all hate the GH4 so much? I always see it getting bashed on with no explanation
>>2708901
It's just jealous sonyggers. Disregard.
>>2708901
personally i don' like the sensor, but that's just me
also it's weird cause last year this thread was non stop panasonic shilling (though hybridcamrevolution seems to have finally fucked off so maybe that's why)
>>2708925
>also it's weird cause last year this thread was non stop panasonic shilling
in the meantime, Sony released a second generation of a7 bodies, which means all the shitposting loudmouth poorfags were able to scoop up first gen bodies on the cheap.
>>2708707
> creative reasons
It's ok to say you have no money
The Voigtländer is a really nice lens and gives great images on the gh4.
>>2708941
+1 for most useless response ever
>>2708901
I have one and I like it very much
...though I do wish it had RAW and better low-light performance
I have a Canon 6D and 600D, which one is better for video in terms of moire and file flexibility?
>>2708901
I have one and like it generally, although it does have some massive flaws.
- Not great in low light in comparison to it's rivals
- Sensor size is a problem for a lot of people, but with a speedbooster it doesn't bother me.
- Colours are pretty wacky, it takes a bit of time and skill in the grading suite to get skin tones right.
- V-Log L is a straight up waste of money if you plan on using it shooting 8-bit internal.
However, the biggest flaw for me that no one talks about and if I had known about may have changed my purchase:
- Massive video/audio delays through the YAGH I/O unit (may be just straight out micro HDMI as well). Operating with an external EVF is really unpleasant. Makes single shooter jobs difficult as you can't interact with your subjects whilst wearing cans as it's a massive headfuck.
>all these gh4 shills
Crap dynamic range, shit iso, shit sensor (4/3 lol), shit form factor, needs a 600$ speedbooster to make it relevant.
It is already deprecated by the a7 series, but I guess if you're a poor ret- INDIE FREELANCE WITH LOW BUDGET that has no income or any relevancy whatsoever I guess it's okay.
It's a glorified babby's first 4k toy, unless you get serious, it's plenty enough.
>>2707400
Their color science is second to none, you usually can tell if a film is shot on a red or something else because it doesn't have that "arri" look.
>>2709130
6D should have less moire due to its larger sensor
>>2709252
>should
It's the most important part of your sentence.
Search for "Mosaic engineering".
>>2709216
>Crap dynamic range, shit iso, shit sensor (4/3 lol), shit form factor, needs a 600$ speedbooster to make it relevant.
Typical angry 4chan user spouting blanket statements in meme talk, even posted a frog with his inane comment. I'd be interested to know what sort of work you do for a living that makes you 'relevant'.
If you actually worked in video production you would realise that there's a right tool for every job, so I don't believe you can just blanket say all it's features are "shit". I use mine for lower budget shoots where the client maybe doesn't have the cash to rent a proper camera package, I can offer it as a cheaper alternative. If you can't get a good shot out of a GH4/A7s/7D/5DII then you yourself are not very good.
>>2709252
This is what I thought, but I don't know if it's true, I think I get more detail on the 6D but much more moire and aliasing than the 600D.
So what monitor would you use for grading sony FS7 4k footage?
>>2709277
No way, man. It's been proven several times that the 1080p mode of the 600D was nothing but upscaled 720p. The 6D definitely shows way more detail and less moire than a 600 even though they both suffer from pixel binning etc.
>>2707874
>It also uses an awful proprietary Sony memory card format
Sony always kills me this way. I love their cameras, but you are always asking yourself where they are going to make you bend over. It sucks because I don't like the alternatives.
>>2702731
>elementary algebra
I want to make a movie
wut do /vid/?
>>2709331
Make it.
It will be terrible, guaranteed.
Make another one slightly less shit and repeat.
whats a cheap 16mm camera I can buy?
>>2709784
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/121792176079?ul_noapp=true&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D53601919689_324272%2526itemid%253D121792176079%2526targetid%253D124316382969%2526rpc%253D0.11%2526rpc_upld_id%253D59122%2526rlsatarget%253Dkwd-124316382969%2526device%253Dm%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F121792176079%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526loc%253D9031274%2526poi%253D9031326%2526campaignid%253D239125209%2526adgroupid%253D14978428809%2526gclid%253DCjwKEAiAstCyBRDiqu75hvnX82kSJACgYI_QaKWu9khw-L-wL1yN5bb8mzxN3gq7ggfYiSmJc4jEYRoCZqnw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D937101764584&chn=ps&lpid=82
>>2709256
FIrstly, I said that it's a camera for low budget, exactly like you said. Low budget = tryhard retards or people with low money, either counts.
Also, I stopped taking you seriously when you proposed DSLR for a way to get "a good shot",
You hipsters must learn that dslr and mirrorless alike are a b cam at most, sometimes when they don't meet at least 2/3 of the general quality of the product they get filed immediately in the trash, like your precious GH4.
It's cheap, happens to shoot 4k because has a small crap sensor and a fast processor and that's about it really. If you were to save up for some money instead of shitposting by now you'd be able to afford and use something with much higher quality.
But why am I wasting my time here I wonder..
P.S: I heard you like frogs
>>2709784
Google fu is weak.
You can get a used Bolex H16 for a couple hundred bucks, cheapest I've seen is like $80 at a vintage gear trade thing.
>>2709825
I have no idea why I'm wasting my time here as well, you clearly don't work professionally in any capacity.
I really doubt you yourself own a cine camera, if you do please post a picture with your setup and a time and date stamp.
I am a stage in my career where I unfortunately don't get offers to shoot a couple of features a year so it wouldn't make sense financially for me to own/maintain one, that's why I rent the right camera for the job and have a cheap camera for low budget stuff. Do you shoot a lot of features/commercials and rent your Alexa back to the productions? If you do I'm jealous and wonder why you are posting in /vid/...
Looking forward to seeing your sweet rig...
>>2709825
Also, not entirely sure what your argument here is, but if you are saying that there are better cameras than the GH4 then you can just stop now, no-one will disagree with that. It's a fact.
>>2709700
Ken? What you doing here, this is video ..
>>2709825
You are an arrogant fool and I highly doubt you have any experience at all in the filmmaking industry. People have been using Super 16mm and Super 35mm for decades. M43 is larger than S16 and APS-C is larger than S35.
Get a fucking grip. Get out of the idiotic mentality that you have now.
>>2709932
>>2709973
>>2709936
Triple samefagging is real.
I'll reply to you with just one post.
>People have been using Super 16mm and Super 35mm for decades. M43 is larger than S16 and APS-C is larger than S35.
And? Full Frame is larger than APS-C. So what? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Do you even know why literally nobody uses APS-C or M43 in the filmmaking industry, yet they use Super35 widely?
Also it's 2015 you fucking hipster, nobody (aside from fucking Tarantino) uses film anymore.
Before shitposting again and wasting some more replies on this thread, please do a little research, thanks.
>>2710016
>>2709932
>>2709936
These were both from me.
The post regarding sensor sizes wasn't from me.
I'm patiently waiting for photographic evidence of your relevant and professional camera setup so I can learn a thing or two from you...
...however, I'm suspecting you don't own a non-hipster camera (whatever you mean by this), don't go outside, don't make anything and don't work in the industry. I would genuinely be happy to be proved wrong and would love to chat privately with you about what sort of things you are working on.
>Also it's 2015 you fucking hipster, nobody (aside from fucking Tarantino) uses film anymore.
This wasn't in response to me but I can't help but ask; what are you talking about? There is a massive film resurgence going on whether you like it or think it's 'hipster'. You are exponentially proving how much you do not know with every word you type, it's really entertaining.
Please chuck out some more wild statements please, I'm loving this!
>>2707874
DVX2000 Panasonic
For a film student on mid-low funds
worth investing in a blackmagic cinema camera or do i stick to the GH4.For field/eng work there's a panasonic ac90 available
>>2710071
g7. right now they're $498 with kit lens.
How many clients have demanded 4k/2k quality for their paying project /p/
>>2710073
they're 1k due to exchange rate,so i'd rather pony up for a gh4 or c100(dedicated video camera)
>>2710081
Not yet, will be difficult to not sigh loudly when it does happen though.
>>2710086
looking to future proofing in cameras is weird,when on a low budget (GH4/bmpc)
>>2710086
downscale your 4k to 4:4:4 1080pee quality.
laugh at blackmagic hocus pocus 4:2:2
anyone shoot 8mm? just bought a camera. not sure what its good for, other than offering to make music videos for rich hipsters and skaters
I like the look but it seems to expensive for practical use
This picture puzzles me. What kind of optics is this? Is that a tilted ND filter or some futuristic alien technology?
>>2710143
Sorry m8 but all film is not practical anymore. It's simply too expensive. However, if you can find a clientelle that will pay you what you need, go for it. But I'm talking about a LOT of money. Like 8k per video.
>>2710186
Not necessarily true, my friend. Kodak are doing some pretty accommodating deals at the moment and a lot of rental houses are willing to do dynamite deals on cameras.
I shot a film a couple of months ago and was swaying between shooting on 16mm and Alexa. Price-wise the 16mm was actually slightly cheaper but we ended up going digital because we were working with a child actor and semi-trained animals and also we were shooting 500 miles away from the nearest lab.
>>2710161
Looks like an auto cue?
>>2710200
A teleprompter. Ah, I was hoping for something edgier, but will do, thanks.
Is the pocket black magic worth it?
>>2702240
Lighting. If you have good lighting you can make anything look professional
>>2702557
Most are using Ronin now
>>2710365
'Worth it', is a relative term. How can anyone answer your question without quantitative information. Furthermore, this is 4chin, 'worth' may well be skewed beyond anything of worth. It depends, mate.
>>2710374
Is the price worth the investment? Is it noticeably better than DSLR or is it basically a marked up camera that doesn't give you a lot?
>>2710376
It depends.
>>2710365
As the other guy said it's difficult to say what's 'worth it' to you.
I shot a student film last week on one, it was the second time using the camera. The first time I used it as a B-cam along with Amira and found it cut together okay. I was pleasantly surprised by the image quality, not amazing but for the price holy shit. My main complaint about the image quality is that I used the BMCC to Rec 709 v2 LUT to monitor and found it incredibly green. Looking at the footage now the Arri to Rec 709 LUT is a lot more favourable. I'd be interested to hear others thoughts on what LUTs work best?
You need to rig it up extensively to make it usable and add external power. The internal batteries run down too quickly.
If you're shooting a 6 week feature don't bother, get something more reliable. If you're shooting a no-budget short, you could definitely do worse.
I'm considering getting one as a back-up cam to keep in my kit bag.
>>2710438
Thanks
>>2710016
>>2709825
>>2709216
Still waiting on seeing proof of this guys high quality, professional and relevant camera setup. Hopefully he will post today and inspire us all with his brilliance.
Does he own an Alexa, an Amira? A RED Dragon, Weapon? A Sony F65/F55, perhaps? I can't wait to find out, so jealous of him, maybe he owns all of them.
His lack of knowledge in the basic practicalities of film production probably just stems from him being a top Hollywood DoP that's never had to trudge through the low-budget/indie world, right?
For 1.5k what would a good setup be for a GH4
this includes
>ND/Matte Box
>recorder
>minimal audio package
>power
>storage
I'm putting together a GH4 pre-package that would be ready for paying clients without renting a different body and other extras
>>2710706
I think you may struggle to get all that for under 1.5k in either Dollars, GBP or Euro. If you do you'll have to get Chinese knock-off everything which is a bad move if you're planning on using it with paying clients.
Imagine you're on a shoot about to setup for a key shot and the £30 battery plate you bought off eBay decides to stop working?
>>2710738
wew
what kind of package would you assemble excluding an external recorder
Hello cinekeks,
How is the AJA Cion in terms of low light performance?
>>2710744
For rigs and mounts it's worth looking at some of the Wooden Camera stuff, it's solid but definitely overpriced. I bought a WC GH4-YAGH cage and Gold Mount 4-pin XLR battery plate. I splashed out on a WC cage because in the end it's what needs to hold the lens solid and straight to the follow focus and I don't want any wobble, and the battery plate because I can't afford to have a cheap one fail on a shoot. For batteries I got a Swit Gold Mount Dual Charger kit, one 95Wh batt could last a day and a half continuous shooting. They also have D-tap connectors for powering EVF's and other tings.
For other peripherals like additional cheeseplates, handles and rods etc I just went on amazon and got Smallrig stuff - it's a Chinese knock off brand but pretty well made and copies a lot of Arri and WC designs.
I don't have a matte box at the moment but have been looking at second hand Chrosziel/Vocas ones on eBay. I would recommend you don't cheap out on a matte box either because whatever you save in money inevitably costs you in time on a shoot fiddling about with it. Just now I just rock lens hoods with screw on Vari ND's which isn't ideal but gets the job done and keeps the setup light and compact.
>>2710781
Shit, it's one of the things that has really hurt it, especially since it's native ISO is pretty low compared to it's competition. It's a camera that does best in a highly controlled and well lit set. Outside of that you'll feel like you're fighting it.
So, right now I have 28mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8 105mm f/2.8 micro, all ais
I'm shooting a low budget indie with a7s, what do I miss? Tilt shift tempts me, but it's kinda expensive and I can always rent.
>>2711034
What would you use the Tilt+Shift for?
If you're wanting a weird wacky shallow DoF shot like the stoned scenes in A Serious Man you could probably get away with a lensbaby, or even DIY one. If you're needing to correct vertical lines in architectural shots then yeah you should probably rent a proper T+S. If you're planning on doing that gay novelty miniature effect then you should think about it very carefully, it has the danger of being extremely tacky.
>>2711046
yeah i'm big on altered reality shots, also I loved that https://vimeo.com/31382481
I'm thinking of buying this camera for video. Any thought?
>>2711083
Might as well buy a cheap phone.
>>2710706
>letting someone pay for shitty gh4 footage
please don't
