Which is better for camping/survival?
Box of matches or a small bag of lighters?
>>801455
>>801480
You can't have both. you have to save space
>>801455
lighters don't afraid of anything anon and they're easier than Canadian japgirls. plus one-hand-no-fuss operation.
>>801482
just take one lighter out of the bag and add a box of matches
problem solved
>>801483
> Canadian Jap girls
I fist them in thier asses and make them talk like a muppet for no fuss, one-handed operation.
>>801455
This is very crucial because you can't pack both.
The only advantage of lighters is that you exactly know how many chances you have left
>>801489
w-well th-that's interesting, anon
> matches
> lighters
Second rate plebs stay /in/.
>>801511
>mfw
Bitches please
>>801489
Fucking kek'd
Five lighters
>>801489
This
Canadian Jap girls make excellent fisting muppets
> dryer lint
> hand sanitizer
> trioxane
> lighters x 2
> strike anywhere matches
> storm matches
> firesteel
I have the room.
>>801511
This honestly. How else are you gonna dab innawoods?
![uco-stormproof-matches-[2]-2859-p.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a4iz4jP.jpg "uco-stormproof-matches-[2]-2859-p.jpg")
>>801455
You take 2 of both and a fire starter to top it off.
Tools that grant you an ability to start fire are one of the most crucial parts of your pack, they also weight next to nothing and take no space.
But if you insist on being fucking autistic, stormproof matches would be probably the best pick.
>>801980
> fucking autistic
> thinking this
>>801482
> save space
> thinking this
>>801455
Lighters, no argument. 30 good ones will last you a year if you're stupid with them.
Compact dab rig?
![20160627_081546[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Q7OtNRy.jpg "20160627_081546[1].jpg")
fire steel, matches, lighter, Vaseline cotton balls, magnifying lens, jute twine, and small candles in a waterproof case
>>801980
>Tools that grant you an ability to light your stove are one of the most crucial parts of your pack
Fixed
Lighters are superior to both matches and ferro rods.
The backup to my lighter is another brand new lighter.
A bic will last for at least an order of magnitude longer than a box of matches, and about the same as a firesteel. It's easy to use, reliable, convenient, durable and cheap. You can carry what you like, it doesn't bother me, but don't delude yourself into thinking that diversifying your "backups" is necessary or inherently advantageous.
>>802450
The only drawback to a lighter is in the frigid frosty freeze they fail (just because the gas condenses and you lose pressure). To a lesser extent elevation can be an issue if you're going high enough.
BUT not to worry! In summer I carry condoms to keep ticks and leeches out of my peehole. This isn't necessary in winter so instead I use the condoms to store batteries and lighters in my rectum to keep them warm.
>>802458
Keep it in your pocket, no condom required!
>>802463
i bet you like vanilla sundaes with no topping, cheeseburgers with hold-the-cheese, and never walk up while riding the excalator.
live a little anon, live a little
>>801483
I one-hand-no-fuss in my bedroom alone every night if you know what I mean...
>>802476
don't smoke in your room anon
>>801482
duck tape lights everywhere matches to a lighter
problem solved
Strike-anywhere matches in a waterproof container.
Lighters are difficult to use with cold hands and don't work when you need them the most.
I had a top of the line weatherproof lighter and the igniter broke.
>>802384
I had one of that case, a blue one pit it broke.
>not bringing an oxy-acetylene torcher whenever you go innawoods
Why even bother desu
>>801993
Where did you get a tiny bag like that?
>>808120
My xgf used it to keep tampons in her purse.
I stole it from her cause fuck her.
Tldr; pussy pouch
Cloudy day: Flint and steel
Sunny day: Fresnel Lens
On another note, anyone have tips for starting fires in the rain with wet wood and little kindling?
Recently went on a trip here and couldn't get a fire going despite having a little dry bark and a coffee filter to act as kindling
I'm not an experienced firestarter and would like some tips
>>808205
I just googled "pussy pouch" just for the hell of it.
Now I know things I don't want to know.
Why not just bring fire with you?
PSA: Wrap a ziptie under the button on a Bic lighter to keep the fluid from leaking out in your pack.
>>808468
>PSA: cut your ziptie everytime you want to use your lighter, so bring several
>>808358
I used some Doritos to get my fire started when nothing else worked desu
Matches, always.
>>801455
Lighter takes up less space for the number of fires you can start with it and they can get wet without much problems.
>>808481
Nah, if you're not a retard you can fix it so that it slides on and off easily. But I wouldn't expect such ingenuity from the autists on here.
>>801482
how much fucking space does a lighter and matches take up?
for me i bring a bic lighter and some stormproof matches
>>808468
i use o-rings.
depending on the size, you can probably still depress the gas switch enough for gas to leak out if you squeeze it really hard, but i don't think it will keep getting knocked open in your bag and let all the gas out under 'normal' conditions
also, a piece of tape over the switch will keep it in place too
