I want to get out of the system. I come from a family of hunters and farmers and i think i can do it. I thought about argentinia or nz.
Where would you guys go?
Bonus: how would you get your women to follow you?
How would I go about having my woman not follow me?
Why get out of the system?
Where along in "the system" are you?
Isn't saving money in a 50k per year job while living cheap and minimalist for 2-3 years prefferably than moving to the wilderness with no money?
Imagine going on your adventure, but you have $25,000 saved up to spend on preparations.
Your question is very vague, we need more information.
>>793795
well farming is huge here in NZ, and our gun laws are more relaxed than Argentina's (probably hunting laws in general too, but I am not familiar with Argentina's hunting laws)
you need money. come back when u can buy 200 acres and build a home and still earn 30k a year in passive income off your savings and investments.
>>793907
Now there's a thread worth starting.
>>793933
>>793917
I'm in central Europe. Everything is overregulated. I pay more than half of my income in taxes, housing is totally off the hook, health insurance is mandatory. I am pretty healthy *knocks on wood* but a 9-5 sitting at a desk (like most white collar jobs) will drive me crazy. I'd rather be an entrepreneur but i can give you several examples why shit rarely works out here.
Small business are around less and less. Big business is done by big players, with the capital and the political ties.
Now what i miss:
-empty space, nature
-a workday that consists of a multitude of tasks whose result i can grasp with my senses
-some kind of relation to my food and the thinks i consume and use. The lack of esprit in buildings, food and most products depresses me.
What i want to get away from:
-people with their diseases/violence/social pressure/politics/ripoffs
-pollution
-traffic
-shitfood
-confined space
I know all that shit has been said a tousand times but its how i feel.
>>793795
>how would you get your women to follow you
don't give her a choice
>>794063
Your problem is population. There are too many people, period. You are competing with billions of others for every resource and every opportunity.
Everywhere you go the good land capable of providing such an off-the-grid lifestyle is already developed and is too expensive for a person such as yourself to purchase. The undeveloped land is usually worthless garbage, unsuitable for farming.
Even if you were able to get your hands on a good piece of land the sort of money you can earn with it without using modern methods is very limited. With farming you'll be competing with highly mechanized farming methods, while you use muscle power. Even nominally organic farming is highly mechanized these days, as 'organic' is pretty much just a buzzword to trick hippies and ecotards into paying 50% more for crappier produce. Ten years ago you could've made a go of it (assuming you already had land) but now? Nope. Muscle farming won't even earn you enough money to pay your property tax.
If you are intent on doing this, and are lucky enough to find good land that you can afford, you absolutely must choose a manpower intense-cash crop - something that earns a lot of money and has yet to be mechanized. Grow your own food on the side if you want, but if you intend to make a living by selling something like milk, eggs, grain, etc, using muscle power, then you're insane.
>>793795
My goal is moving to sweden (im from denmark so its my best option for cheap land out in nowhere). 24 years old saved up 180k euros but its really expensive to """leave""" society when you stil need to pay taxes and buy stuff you cant make yourself.
Right now i could get ~20-30 acres of land and passive income of 310 euros a month after paying taxes. Still hard to live on.
>>794072
>really expensive to """leave""" society when you stil need to pay taxes and buy stuff you cant make yourself.
What would you need that you can't make yourself? If you've got sufficient wood for fuel and lumber you can do a surprising amount of stuff. You just have to accept a more primitive lifestyle.
>>794075
>What would you need that you can't make yourself?
>Pans, pots, glasses.
>nails
>medicine
>some kind of slow internet connection so i can get my passive income and pay property taxes ez
>new clothes so i dont have to make it all myself
>dank memes
Sure you can make it yourself but im gonna blow my own glass to save 50 cents
>>793907
With some rope.
>>793795
>pic
Christ, I wish I didn't make that shitty wide edit. Remember people, just because you have photoshop doesn't mean you should upload everything you fuck around with.
>reverse image search
FFFFFFF! Most are my edit too.
The original is "one failed uplift" by tomasz jedruszek
>>794084
and the actual large one
>>794072
you have 180k. Buy property and rent it or sell it to get a better property to rent. If you can get more. You have a monthly income of a few hundred euros counting real state agency commission so you don't have to worry about anything at all while out. Wait a few years. Do /out/ related jobs, go somewhere remote in the world and work there for a period of time, you'll earn money, gain experience and you'll make sure that this is what you really want for the rest of your life. You are 24 for christs sake
>>794080
Glass would be difficult, yes.
But iron for nails is just a matter of having enough fuel to forge the iron into whatever shape you need. There's so much good quality iron & steel in the world that it is essentially free. If you have enough wood you can make sufficient charcoal to shape it however you want. Thin rod iron, an anvil, a hammer, and a nail header for your pritchel hole and you can make nails. Also, if you get good enough at joinery you won't need as many nails. The Japanese build entire buildings without using a single nail, just wooden pegs and precise joinery.
Cast iron for pots and pans would be harder, as you'd have to build a cupola furnace, but then again a cupola furnace might be a source of income: turn scrap iron (which again, can be had for free) into useful goods.
>>794084
Sry anon, i really liked it, therefore i saved and shared it.
>>794071
I wouldnt do muscle farming.
I pretty good at aquaponics, hydroponics. If i managed to get enough plant mass to feed carps or tilapia i wouldnt need industrial fish feed.
I can do a lot of stuff myself, which is fun and impresses my peers but no employer gives a shit about it because muh adam smith specialisation.
My vision would be an "selfsufficient" village where i could rent out slots or offer vacations.
I got a bachelors degree in forest and environment sciences.
I got an uncle who will probably give away his farming business to me or my cousins. I want to honor his and my grandads legacy but i dont want to continue largescale wheat and swine farming. The money is nice but i dont like this industry he deals with.
>>794096
(I do realize that the juxtaposition of these informations arent the same thing as an actual plan)
>>793795
everything is the system - dont quit make it better - you gotta be in the system to change the system
>>794105
>everything is the system - dont quit make it better - you gotta be in the system to change the system
you mean like Ghandi, Yitzhak Rabbin, Malcolm X, JFK, Nwar Sadat, Martin Luther King, Olaf Palme, Salvador Allende, Patrice Lumumba
>>794094
Yes it could be done and its probably a cool project to start on. But i just want to be sure that i will be able to buy items i cant easily make myself. Just things like food; Somtimes i might want to buy food/species i cant make myself
>>794110
exactly, douche, they stayed in the system to fight, to educate and to speak to their peers.
if they had run away like OP wants you'd have never heard of them to quote them at me in the first place
its the same idea as the buddha reaching enlightenment but staying to help his brothers rise as well.
>>794155
And what if all our moral conceptions just were bullshit and we're living in a fucked up society that moves away faster from out biological design than we can adapt to.
People care about free range chicken but its a disgrace when somebody wants to live as a free range person.
And what i am trying to say with mentioning their names:
Every person on earth that actually fights the top of the pyramid gets killed as soon ass their deeds start making difference.
And dont call me douche. Its rude.
>>794170
Calm down Tyler
>>794173
I am calmissimo, Sharon.
>>794170
What you're saying is right, but you're talking to a collective brick wall, m8. The indoctrination runs deep.
>>793795
Nz Fag whos farmed for years now at Uni. The climate for farming isnt right here at the moment, go to Chile.
>>794647
Thanks. If it wasnt for the fear of being alone i wouldve been gone i think.
>>794750
What are your winters like? How much rain do you get? Is there a raise in radiation after Fukushima? What crops do you grow? Is it true that you have to watch out for an ozone hole passing over NZ at varying times of the day?
>>795039
not him but our winters are mostly mild and inclement. farther south you go, the colder it gets though, and there are some cold, arid areas.
I don't think fukushima affected NZ.
the hole in the ozone layer is a constant. in summer burn time is ~10min, less if quite pale skin. second degree burns in half an hour to an hour.
most famers in NZ rear cattle, dairy and sheep being the most common. dairy is doing really poorly atm though, you don't want to be getting into that. I don't think our climate and soil are optimal for mass crop farming like you see in the US corn states
