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Companion Planting - Raised Beds - Vertical Gardening - Square Foot Gardening - Polyculture - Composting - Mulching - Vermiculture - Espalier - Fungiculture - Aquaponics - Greenhouses - Cold Frames - Hot Boxes - Polytunnels - Forest Gardening - Aquaculture
Resources:
Murray Hallam’s Aquaponics: (sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0 )
-Aquaponics Secrets DVD
-Aquaponics Made Easy DVD
-DIY Aquaponics DVD (Aquaponics The First 12 Months And Aquaponics DIY DVD)
Backyard Aquaponics
https://kat.cr/backyard-aquaponics-t4385398.html
400+ PDF BOOKS ON GARDENING
https://kat.cr/400-pdf-books-on-gardening-t3324399.html
Youtube channel Growingyourgreens, tons of videos on almost every single gardening subject,
https://www.youtube.com/user/growingyourgreens
Ollas clay pot watering system,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkNxACJ9vPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKq5geEM-A
USA Time of Year Planting Guide,
http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/what-to-plant-now-zl0z0903zalt.aspx
Food preservation,
http://nchfp.uga.edu/
https://kat.cr/complete-book-of-home-preserving-pdf-gooner-t10069401.html
https://kat.cr/canning-and-preserving-all-in-one-for-dummies-2011-mantesh-t5998098.html
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/FileUploads/Product_49.pdf
Mushrooms, (culinary and psychoactive):
https://kat.cr/usearch/Stamets/
Mother Earth News' Vegetable Garden Planner program, (full version requires yearly subscription $fee)
http://www.motherearthnews.com/garden-planner/vegetable-garden-planner.aspx
Tons of Gardening/Farming PDFs
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=35
Aquaponics
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=32
>>776603
US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx
US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml
Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx
Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com
Rabbit guide
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html
A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm
Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/
Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/
Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php
Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org
Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html
Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf
Chili Peppers
http://www.fatalii.net/
More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics
Sourcing plants from the grocery,
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps
how do you grow pot guys?
>>776573
It simply isn't a room plant, it's better to place in a spot in the garden, or at least balcony if you have one.
In that case, freezing winter days may be a problem though because the pot might freeze through (planted out in the garden is not much of a problem because the soil only ever freezes a few cm max) but putting into the warm room then is also not ideal
>>776632
Alright thanks
>>776630
Buy seeds, put them in a pot with soil, water it and let sun shine onto it
Help identify this please? The leaves have a potent licorice and anise smell.
>>776656
I think something in the mint family. Anise hyssop is similar but I haven't personally seen it with that color. The smell would fit.
>>776641
Where do you buy seeds?
>>776703
oh wow. duh?
so correct the previous poster..
it's go on /b to find out where to buy seeds
buy seeds
put them in a pot with soil
water it
let the sun shine on onto it.
seems like we're probably still missing directions for otpimal pruning and what not...
i'm not interested in the subject.. i just hate to see an anon get an answer that isn't going to lead him to success.
An interesting thing has happened over the past 3-4 years in my garden. I planted softneck garlic that I had purchased from the grocery store, and there was one plant that I hadn't picked and had ignored for a while. When I finally looked at it, it had scaped and produced bulbils. For those of you who don't know, the hard neck in hard neck garlic is from the flowering stock, or scape. The softneck had turned into hardneck. It happens sometimes according to some experts that I asked.
After that, I saved the bulbils and cloves and replanted them and kept on repeating. This year, they are all scaping.
Another FYI, garlic has been propagated by cloning for so long that it has almost lost its ability to produce true seed. To get true seed from modern garlic involves letting it scape, and when the flowering head forms, check it every couple of days and remove the bulbils. Once they're all gone, the plant will put energy into producing true seeds. The first generation is a PITA to get to germinate, but after that, the plants will readily produce seed and the seed will germinate much better. I think I'm going to see if I can get some true seed from these plants.
IMO, there is some epigenetic stuff going on here. So many generations of cloning has kind of fucked with garlic's genes, and it is a good idea to unfuck them a bit.
>>776630
Theres a guide in here https://kat.cr/400-pdf-books-on-gardening-t3324399.html
rate my lawn /out/
>>776750
I'm contributing while you're shitposting.
maybe /an/ is a better place for you if that's true.
>>776756
and directly made assumptions that are completely irrelevant to this thread and the board in general.
this thread is about plants, this board is about the outdoors if you want to cry about trips go to >>>/v/ or something, thanks.
>>776749
lack of biodiversity/10
>>776775
I've got about 60 plant species in my front yard, 50 in that wall and about 100 scattered throughout my backyard, I think my lawn is content with the little Prunella it has growing in it.
>>776792
dutch tullips are traditionally red and pink, uncultured swine.
>>776802
if you're here soley to post the involutive garbage that you call your opinion just refrain from posting in general.
reposting:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOgbO1uSaFU [Embed]
my fields improved far beyond my expectations considering the soil was basically old farmland that had been grassland for decades. A warning though, don't just put any kind of charcoal in your beds, you can't buy a bag of Kingston and dump it in there, briquettes have a shitload of garbage and additives like firestarter which will kill everything in your garden. I used lump charcoal from walmart, the natural kind without any additives, just charcoal, you have to read the bags and verify there's nothing in that shit.
You could use briquettes but, again, make sure there's nothing in there but charcoal dust, otherwise you risk either killing your beds or killing yourself.
Now, once you get your charcoal, grind that shit up into pebbles, you can't have large chunks, the plants won't be able to effectively use it and it will make turning your soil a pain in the ass. After you grind/crush it, dump it into a big compost pile, or do what I do, dump it in a big bin and soak it with urine and compost, let it sit for a few days(or longer), then add it to your beds
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FYI, save urine for your compost/watering, unless you're on medication, no sense having that in your soil. If you water with urine, use a 5/1 ratio of water/urine so you don't kill your plants. Makes a huge difference over time, especially when you couple it with charcoal to your soils, the charcoal absorbs nutrients and releases them over time, stabilizing the soil so the nutrients don't wash away as easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9WoW8Rtp2E
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>>776803
aren't all garden plants essentially assorted weeds.
>>776749
Mine has only now (almost) fully recovered from last year's drought (I'm the Upper Rhine fag who had steppe climate last year)
Showing only a small part of the total ~300 m^2 of lawn (on our ~1100m^2 property)
>>776827
For comparison, the worst part of it during early August last year
>>776827
have you considered sprinklers?
>>776831
>>776833
Fuck no, water is expensive here (€5 or so per cubic metre = 1000 litres, plus for each amount of water used to have to pay an additional wastewater treatment fee automatically even for the parts that don't go to the drain).
I only have a 1000 litre rainwater tank, but with stuff like tomatoes, flowers etc consuming lots of water themselves, there's nothing left for the lawn, especially when it doesn't rain for weeks.
Watering my amount of lawn would've probably cost me hundreds.
It has been an extreme, exceptional dry summer though last year, the driest in the last 30 years or so, normally we get lots of rain in summer. Hope it doesn't catch on...
>>776835
To add, I didn't follow a good mowing regime. If now dry weather for several days is forecast, I'll try to not mow or only on a taller setting
>>776835
it's only gotten wetter here.
>>776839
I don't have data going back that far, but since 1991, things are looking pretty chaotic (yeah 1991 was technically drier than 2015, but a lot cooler and with more summer rain)
I have a tree question, /out/. A couple of weeks ago, I was clearing seedlings and weeds out of a garden bed. I pulled one seedling up that I did not recognize, and noticed a big bulb on the root. Upon closer inspection, it was the seed it had sprouted from, a walnut. I had broken off part of the taproot and damaged some leaves, but decided to put it in a pot anyway. Fast forward, and it is still alive, and it is starting to show signs of above ground growth.
I know where I want to put it, and I need to let it get at least a little bit bigger so that it doesn't get wrecked. I know that it is standard practice to put trees into the ground while they are dormant, but in this case, would it be better to put it into the ground before it starts to get root bound?
>>776790
Upclose photo of the lawn please. I want to see for myself the biodiversity it has.
>>776790
"front yard"
it's a stone patio and a box planter
Why are people being so mean to bugguy?
>>776790
I would love doing those pavers. Large surface, beautiful pattern, borders. The cutting on the smaller blocks against the house, forming the pattern would make a dustbowl of a pickup tho. I also really, really want big dark rocks like that. The contrast to the green is nice
>>777009
oh that retard just changed his trip?
>>777009
He shat up /an/ some time ago really hard, it's disgusting to know that person is still around
>>777094
Oh.
I don't know anything about him. He seemed like he was helping people identify stuff in the last thread.
My friends, help ID this thing?
>>777101
it's one guy trying to stir up an argument because I cleared him from a discussion earlier.
he's been banned 3 times in this thread for shitposting already, keeps evading, hence why the replies to
>>776810 (You)
>>776796 (You)
>>776753 (You)
have been deleted.
>>776926
once I'm back from work.
>>777169
a lawn is a collection of grass, you're thinking of a meadow.
>>777136
Arum, probably A. italicum depending on your location.
Weed or wanted?
chilipeppers???
here's a close-up of my lawn.
it's a nice thick carpet.
Alright lads, got some leaf mold from under a beech tree, it's really good stuff, I'm gonna put it onto my raised beds.
My question is, what ratio do I need it with the soil I'm also putting in?
>>777169
Yeah, let's let all our gardens turn into boring oak/hornbeam forests, because that's what happens if left unattended here.
Said forests have their place, but not in front of the house desu. If you want an up to 40m tall thicket in front of yours, then go ahead
>>777169
How the fuck can you be this much of a garden autist?
>>777403
I've got a no-mow patch in my alley that I seeded with native bird and bee plants.
you can't lay on top of that though.
>>777405
the kind of people that complain about mowing grass are those that own 30 outdoor cats and reek of urine, usually.
>>776905
If it's really that small you can probably wait a bit
>>777233
>a lawn is a collection of grass
A collection of grass is a collection of living things.
I was thinking of a lawn, not a meadow.
>>777623
then your thinking is incorrect.
lawn
[lawn]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
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noun
1.
a stretch of open, grass-covered land, especially one closely mowed, as near a house, on an estate, or in a park.
you're thinking of a meadow, lawns have about 4-13 species of plants in them, and they're all grass.
Are these squash to close together? I'd rather not thin them if I don't have too.
>>777768
Pick one to die, or try to rip them apart and replant... I wouldn't put more than 2 next to each other.
But then again - i'm the guy making all the autistic posts about how nature shouldn't be controlled.
You could always roll the dice and see what mother nature does.
I have planted up to 4 other members of the family Cucurbitaceae together in a 1 cubic foot planter (12*12*12) and they did ok.. i got a couple fruit off each vine - but they were spaced out 6 inches or so apart..
>>777769
>My thinking is perfectly correct.
you're complaining about mowing a lawn even though lawns are mowed by definition.
>especially one closely mowed
a lawn that isn't mowed is just a grass field.
>>777794
I'm curious what that guys lawn looks like.
I imagine it being all patchy with dandelions everywhere.
>>777780
>nature shouldn't be controlled.
if you didn't control nature you'd barely make it to adulthood and die of malaria.
gardens/farms require a degree of control in order to work, it benefits all plants in the end.
a garden without control will just end up in a bunch of invasive plants trying to off eachother, a lack of biodiversity.
>>777794
I never said anything about mowing.
>>777834
you actually did.
>Nature should be natural
mowing isn't natural.
lawns aren't natural.
meadows are natural.
>>777839
>lawns aren't natural.
What is unnatural about grass growing in dirt?
>>777849
> i didn't use the word mow
you don't have to, it goes without saying.
>a mowed lawn is natural
if it's done by humans, it's not natural, natural literally means not caused or created by humans.
>because animals feed on pasture and help to keep the growth strong by spreading seed and fertilizing the land.
you're confusing mowing with grazing.
>in which he has removed all of the animals from his property.
gardens are the pinnacle of biodiversity, hence why bees are actually doing well in the city rather than urban areas.
keep this 'natural is best' bullshit to yourself.
humans caused a single mass extinction, nature caused 5 so far, if anything we're behind schedule.
>>777858
>is not mandatory here...
it's madatory to you.
>>777169
>Nature should be natural and what you have done there is attempt to tame it.
lawns are tamed by definition.
closely mowing your lawn isn't mandatory, mowing it however is.
>>777868
>Even the root of the word
the origin of words have no relevance in todays vocubulary outside of linguistics.
>: ground (as around a house or in a garden or park) that is covered with grass and is kept mowed
what you'd call a house 50,000 years ago wouldn't even classify as a shed today.
stop polluting this thread with your eco-bullshit.
>>777871
>[citation needed]
already gave it to you twice >>777169
mowing isn't natural, grazing isn't mowing otherwise every lawn would look like shit.
Can you stop flooding the thread with your autistic arguments?
>>777892
>i said i was fine with mowing
then you're contradicting yourself.
>it reintroduces
grass is collected and disposed.
> is a single species of grass
going to refer you back to >>777651
lawns have an average of 4-13 species of grass.
4 for your average sod, 13 for your average grass seed mix.
>devoid of any diversity
that's between your ears, lawns have plenty of diversity in grass species.
> and so the lawn looks natural
lawns cannot look natural, they are the product of humans, anything caused or created by humans is by definition unnatural.
>and it is much better for human beings, for animals, for water run off, for water usage.
if that is what you actually believe I feel bad for the people that come in contact with your IRL.
>>777896
>what do you think kept the lawn short? (perhaps animals?!?!?)
scythes have been around since 500BC.
>>777896
>what do you think kept the lawn short? (perhaps animals?!?!?)
none of the animals we use for agriculture are natural.
I don't think you even understand what natural means.
>>777821
It would mostly end up, as I said earlier, in a forest in 99.9% of Western Europe (minus a very few exposed locations that don't support trees, like barren rock or extremely wet, low pH swampland), with the high vegetation limited to 1 or 2 dominant species in vast swathes of land, mostly Fagus sylvatica topping at 30-40m of height.
Below that it'd then be so shady you'd maybe have some ivy growing, that's about it, so it's a mistake to believe native climax vegetation to be very biodiverse, it isn't at all in temperate climates
>tfw chainsawed my first tree (or what was left of it) today (dried up willow I mentioned here >>772583)
>>777896
>what do you think kept the lawn short?
This >>777902
>>777918
I already understood that the first time.
hence why I bothered replying, his opinion is just a whole lot of eco-bullshit that doesn't actually work.
I work as eco-designer, most of the precious natural landscapes he loves have probably been influenced by me or my ancestors if he lives in western europe.
>>777948
Yeah wasn't meant to counter you, just expand on the issue
>>777948
Also, do you (or someone else) have give me any input here? Haven'received any replies yet, thought /an/ had more folks around knowing their taxonomy so posted there
>>>/an/2131709
>>>/an/2131710
>>>/an/2131712
Are these yellow spots on my tomato leaves from fungus gnats?
I just noticed today that the stalks on the upper part of the plant have loads of these small gnats that I think are fungus gnats.
got two more pictures
>>777996
the gnats
Also, sharing the "farmy" part of my backyard. Just a couple hundred square metres, but alone on that there's lots of species. Even as a taxonomy beginner, I can already list the following
Crops:
>Tomato (Solanum lycopersicum)
>Potato (Solanum tuberosum)
>Bell pepper (Capsicum annuum)
>Radish (Raphanus sativus)
>Parsley (Petroselonum crispum)
>Garden strawberry (Fragaria × ananassa)
>Forest strawberry (Fragaria vesca)
>Onion (Allium cepa)
>Carrot (Daucus carota)
>Raspberry (Rubus idaeus)
>Blackberry (Rubus sect. Rubus)
>Pea (Pisum sativum)
>Bean (Phaseolus vulgaris)
>Cucumber (Phaseolus vulgaris)
>Watermelon (Citrullus lanatus)
>Asparagus (Asparagus officinalis)
>Brussels sprouts (Brassica oleracea var. gemmifera)
>Kohlrabi (Brassica oleracea var. gongylodes)
Herbs:
>Basil (Ocimum basilicum)
>Thyme (Thymus vulgaris)
>Greek Oregano (Origanum vulgare ssp. hirtum)
>Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis)
>Sage (Salvia officinalis)
>Lavender (Lavandula angustifloia)
Ornamentals/trees:
>Rose of Sharon (Hibiscus syriacus)
>Horse chestnut (Aesculus hippocastanum)
>Common fig (Ficus carica)
>Kiwi (Actinida deliciosa)
>Golden chain ( Laburnum anagyroides)
>Rowan (Sorbus aucuparia)
>Pomegranate (Punica granatum)
>Cherry plum (Prunus cerasifera)
>Quince (Cydonia oblonga)
(to be continued...)
>>778005
(continued)
Weeds (small selection):
>Chickweed (Stellaria media)
>Red bryony (Bryonia dioica)
>Big nettle (Urtica dioica)
>Small nettle (Urtica urens)
>Various Lamium species
>Various Galinsoga species
>Borage (Borago officinalis)
>Common knotweed (Polygonum aviculare)
>black bindweed (Fallopia convolvulus)
>copse bindweed (Fallopia dumetorum)
>black nightshade (Solanum nigrum)
Now that's only species I personally know, omitted lots of grasses, Apioideae and other stuff I don't know about well enough so you can probably double the number of species I listed
It'd be much less biodiverse if I just let "nature do its thing")
>>778006
...aaaand for some reason I forgot about
>boxwood (Buxus sempervirens)
>ivy (Hedera helix)
>dandelions (Taxaracum agg.)
>lent lily (Narcissus pseudonarcissus)
also growing in that area
>>777768
They're fine, as long as your soil is rich.
/out/ what is wrong with my snow peas? the tops of them are fine but the bottom parts of are yellowing and browning and looking withered
>>778064
i don't know dick about gardening but I built a little structure with scrap pvc and weaved a netting on it hoping it would eventually be covered with snow peas and i could sit under it and drink coffee. the tops of them seem fine but i don't think they'll make it, one already died and they all got some withering leaves towards the bottom.
>>777393
Looks like the grass here in Florida
>>777970
it reminds me of a Verbascum so it's probably something related to that.
never seen it before though.
>>778069
Are they on a north side of a house or something? they look kinda leggy
I can't believe I ever worried my peas weren't going to flower. Some have even started forming their pods! I'm so excited. Also bonus cat.
>>777897
>then you're contradicting yourself.
you're not listening and refusing to consider that you are wrong, so i'm going to stop playing your stupid game.
i never said i was against mowing.
natural is a gradient or a continuum... something can be more natural than something else.. while both aren't perfectly natural.
your autism prevents from seeing anything other than strict definition and black and white - so i feel bad for your mother who must regret shitting you out every single day.
>>778474
>i never said i was against mowing.
if you're against unnatural you're against mowing, if you're not against unnatural you're a walking contradiction.
> something can be more natural than something else
it's either natural or it is not.
>your autism prevents
if you're whining about how people treat their lawn you're beyond the spectrum.
post your lawn.
how do i cross polinate my tomatillos
>>777768
Cut two with a scissors
>>778503
you can just collect some pollen from one and rub it gently into the flower of the other, and kinda go back and forth like that helping them have plant sex
a cotton swab works fine, a finger is OK too
Or stretch it out to a three and a half hour drive and go to the Black Canyon of the Gunnison. That is totally worrh getting mauled.
>>778005
Nice spot you got there. What that little shingled thing you got, towards the left? Birdfeeder of some sort?
>>778005
Also, where you growing? Sounds like you live in a milder place from what your growing.
>>778064
I don't know what causes that, but mine did the same. It wasn't too wet, but I did have a bit too much sun/heat. They would still produce, but every week a different stem turned yellow then brown. I got a good yield from the green stems, tho
>>778544
>he fingers his plants
>>778697
I just rubbed some flowerheads together too. They gave me thrips as a result. I should have worn protection.
>>778602
>that little shingled thing
Nah, just for decorative purpose
>>778612
Upper Rhine (zone 8a), yeah I know with some stuff I'm stretching it a little , but I like experimenting. Plus many otherwise subtropical/Mediterranean stuff is sold in the form of more frost-tolerant cultivars/different flowering/fruiting behaviour around here.
Take for example figs, normally (wild form and hot country cultivars) they need to be complicatedly cross-pollinated by special wasps that don't occur here, also they carry 3 times per year - in contrast our cultivars are either self-fertile or make seedless fruits, also only 1-2x per year (pic related a tree a few streets away, there's much bigger ones in the village but currently have no photos)
Similar for our kiwis that have male and female flowers on the same plant (normally they're separate) and will tolerate down to about -15°C
>>778753
>Similar for our kiwis that have male and female flowers on the same plant
kiwis are usually female plants grafted on top of a male rootstock.
>>778774
The cultivar in question is named "Jenny", dunno how exactly it works with the flowers in that case, but doesn't appear to be a graft to me, will inspect more closely tomorrow
Also weird how the label on the plant says A. deliciosa, but when googling for the cultivar I mostly find it under A. chinensis
>>778833
This comment is best comment.
>>778503
I bought a tomatillo the other day, forgot you needed at least 2. DAMN IT
Do you grow these things just like tomatoes?
>>778753
True, thier are cold-hardy varieties. For example, I'm in 6b in N. America, and I could grow Chicago hardy figs, and there's native species of persimmons that could grow here. Hell, I recently found a type of passafloris that's hardy down to -20° (that I REALLY want to buy) and I always thought those were restricted to tropical areas.
How long has that experimental fig been there? It looks big and healthy, like it been there for a couple of years.
>>779018
Yup, pretty much. Only thing I would specifically recommend is that if you ad fertilizer, going easy on the nitrogen and getting something higher in phosphorus. Bone meal is a good idea. Both tomatoes/Tamatillos tend to push out a lotta leafy growth and very little fruit if you give them too much nitrogen, while phosphorus encourages flowers/fruit.
Hey, I got my hands on this chili plant, or at least that is what I think it is. Can anyone help me identify it?
And should I replant it in a bigger pot?
>>779026
Dunno as it's not mine and never took big notice, but yeah a couple years at least (as I said there's even bigger ones), so it must've survived the exceptionally cold 2012 winter, maybe with some damage.
What helps is that they're shooting new foliage relatively late (starting around mid-April, about the same time as Robinia pseudoacacia) and in their barren state they tolerate frost better.
That said they do tend to grow fast
>>779268
They pretty much all look the same at this stage, might even be a bell pepper
Its a pepper plant but you wont really be able to tell until it starts to fruit. It looks about ready for transplant to a bigger pot. Miracle Grow should work just fine. Make sure you have good drainage, peppers do well being watered every other day in a dry environment. Good luck and dont rub your eyes
>>779026
>>779292
Oh, and here another one from a nearby village I was earlier today
>>779268
You won't be able to identify it until it starts fruiting. I wouldn't repot it, I would put it in the ground.
>>779368
Can't,winters get cold where I'm from
>>779416
That depends on the cultivar. Some of your super hot peppers can take 150-180 days to start producing, but a lot of your more common cultivars would be producing by July or August if they were that size.
>>779416
Yeah, I live in 6b and I grow peppers, but just as an annual. I think it'll be fine.
>>779478
it'll survive, but you might as well cut it down because it's never going to be a good looking tree.
>fertilized my garden today, since it's going to rain all day tomorrow.
>>779018
Yeah they're the same
>>779522
then replace it.
One of my thyme seedlings from October starts flowering! Read everywhere they'd be slow/difficult from seed, but had barely any dropouts despite starting them over winter, had to prune regularly (like every 2 weeks) though in the beginning (inside) to prevent leggy and force bushy growth
>>779036
Nice. I didn't know that (and I know lots).
My tomatillos have always given too much veg and not enough fruit (and not enough big fruits).
Thanks.
>>777397
20-80 compost soil
>>779661
And a whole shrub
my basil looks really neat
>>779684
it's pretty easy to take care of thyme, the only thing people tend to do is overwater them during the winter.
>>779729
Nice, that's a vulgaris too as bigger leaved cultivar or a different one altogether?
Also, they're all planted out now (most of them in the strawberry rows) and the only water they get is when I water the strawberries (they're also in their first year) in a drought, so pretty much not at all between November and March
>>779778
it's a wild Thymus serpyllum.
watering them during the growing season doesn't matter, it's just that wet winters kill them.
>>779714
I prevent mine from flowering because I use it in the kitchen
It's a seedling from last December, finally planted it outside early May
Once the other outside seedlings are big enough for harvesting (might take a few weeks), I'll probably let this one get to flower too
>tfw non-stop rain for the last 5 hours or so already, with no end in sight, some thunders inbetween
Damn this is a wet year so far compared to the last one, upside is I have to water much less, lawn doesn't look like a steppe and weeds are very easy to pull, downside is the weeds are growing much faster, unprotected tomatoes may get some rot, lawn has to be mowed much more often. Plus on Friday there was a heavy thunderstorm that slung dirt on leaves up to 50cm high and completely buried one of my forest strawberry seedlings in mud
Is the German anon with the indoor watermelon here?
I put my pepper outdoors and the leaves got white spots on them and turned whitish like your watermelon did.
>>779869
Here I am. It still hasn't changed appearance and continues living in zombie mode for the last 3 weeks. I did remove the black foil though now as it's getting warmer, let's see if it forms any additional roots
>>779878
The other 8 seedlings are OK though and still growing, albeit kinda slowly
Some tomatoes I think had burned too despite not being outside too long. Same with my bell peppers, I probably lost a month of development there.
I even managed to burn a fucking Dracaena in early February by putting outside for like 4 hours in the very weak (peak solar altitude that day: 24°) winter sun because it was a nice mild day and I thought I'd do it something good by placing it outside
Next year I'll do better, lesson learned. Although it'll really become a hassle to incrementally (1,2,4,6,8... hours/day) place vines such as watermelon outside in spring and then put them back in again
>>779886
Here a pic of the "burn mark" on one of the leaves of said Dracaena, you can clearly see the cutoff to the new, unaffected growth of the leaf since February below that spot (has been continuously inside again since then)
>>779878
Well, my dad who's an experienced gardener was over on the weekend and he told me the reason the leaves turned white is because it's sunburned
The plant wasn't used to so much sun indoors, so it was shocked when you put it out. The best thing you could do is put it in a shady spot.
>>779908
Yeah I know now that solar hardening off is really important apparently, also for (sub)tropicals
>>779911
I had to move my pepper into the shade on my deck for now
Bernie Sanders (far left) is the winner of the second leg of the great pea race. Trump is right on his heels, and Ted Cruz has finally made it to the first checkpoint after spending the first few weeks growing sideways.
>>779975
This picture was kind of hard to frame but I wanted to show the difference in size between a seed onion (blurry, leggy thing in the foreground) and a starter onion (those massive ones in the back). There's also a rogue beet in there.
>>779878
>>779975
You...named your peas after presidential candidates?
...report back after the election results. I wanna see if those peas are as good of a predictor of politics as cephalopods are at predicting sports.
>>779661
I've never had trouble starting from seed when it comes to thyme. It-along with chives-have turned out to be the most enduring when planted outside. Hell, it overwintered better than the lemon balm and MINT for crying out loud.
so I have too many tomatoes, what the fuck do I do with all of them?
Hello,
I want to grow Field elm from cuttings. Could anyone help me regarding what to do or avoid?
I was mainly planning to try heel cutting on semi-hardwood next month, directly in peat soil and without any rooting hormone. Is it a good way of doing it? How could I increase chances of rooting?
Thanks for your help.
>>780239
Can or dry, maybe try pickling them.
>>780173
I came up with that on the spot because I didn't just want to refer to them as far left, left center, etc... I'll give updates as they progress though.
>>780239
make sundried tomaters, they store for a very long time and taste lovely!
Balcony grow is coming along nicely, getting plenty of small tomatoes and the soil-level in the potato bucket is starting to rise as the potatoes expand in the soil! Also have two chili-pepper plants.
How closely could I crowd my corn successfully? I expect to cull about half of what I planted.
>>780315
I don't get what's wrong. At the very least, he contributes to the threads so fuck off.
>>779878
>>780058
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but JUST end its misery anon. That will never produce fruit. Do you I've in an apartment without an outdoor space?
>>780345
>I've
*live
Fuck
>>780345
Meh I have more than enough space in the backyard and as i said there's 8 other ones planted nearby, they'll take up the space eventually
>>780345
I think I trigger his inferiority complex or something.
collected some Tragopogon porrifolius today, pretty happy about finding those, it's been on my wanted-list for a while.
going to collect Knautia arvensis later today, heard it's an incredibly bee-plant.
>>780328
if you don't want your posts to be deleted try not posting garbage.
>>780345
It depends on the cultivar and how you arrange them. A lot of commercial growers might use 15" plant spacing with 24" rows, but then again, that is how their very expensive equipment is designed to plant. If you have fertile soil and use a true equidistant planting, you should be able to plant them at 16".
>>780445
Troooooooll. Obvious af troll. You give jack shit about anyone else's posts, ONLY ragging on this dude, never post actual useful shit, and you keep derailing threads. Trollolol.
Anyone know why my sour gherkin cukes have curled leaves? I transplanted them into larger pots a few days ago, but they haven't grown and they still have curled leaves.
anyone have an idea of what kind of pest this is? they are covering the underneath of my plants. northeast pa.
>>780345
I've had success planting them about 12" apart, they grew well despite how crowded they were.
Lads ever heard of people converting big land (talking in term of acres here) to exclusive aquaponic set ups?
I tried hitting the google but most results are people bullshitting about their commercial set ups making them billions.
I want actual honest to god results.
>>780495
aphids
>>780529
thank you!
>>780535
No problem. You can spray them with soapy water, then garden-hose the rest of them (not full force, so to not make holes in leaves, but enough force to blow aphids that didn't fall with soapy water and rinse the soap off plants).
That usually get rid of them without any pesticides (if you intend to eat your plants).
If you have enough space, you can plant Tropaelum 2m away, it will attract aphids on them rather than on other plants.
>>780569
check r/whatsthisplant
there's people that don't know what dandelions, moss or deadnettles are.
>>780243
Anybody knowing about cuttings' technique?
>>780579
you can use garlic as rooting hormone, it works as fungicide as well I heard.
don't use pure peat it'll probably cause it to rot away, stick to something that drains easily like sand or vermiculite instead, but if you really want to use peat atleast mix it with some perlite.
>>780576
>r/whatsthisplant
No advertising.
>>780593
Never heard about garlic for this use, thanks for the info. I'll try a lighter mix than peat as you said.
To be more specific, I'd like to have some info on the type of cutting I should use. I've read heel-cutting on semi-hardwood is a good idea for Field elm, but I can't find people who have ever done it to confirm it.
>>780601
I don't know how true the garlic thing is, but I've heard similar shit about aspirin, honey and 'willow tea' whatever that is.
it should work, if it doesn't just grab yourself a tent peg and some wire, find a tree with low hanging branches and nail it to the ground with some soil covering it so it'll develope roots.
or just air layer them with some sphagnum and ducttape.
you're probably unable to find information about it because why on earth would you want to take cuttings from an Ulmus, those things are weeds.
>>780569
Everybody gotta start somewhere.
>>780619
You're totally right
>>780608
I mainly know about willow water since it indeed release hormones. I think aspirin takes credit on the similarity between acetylsalicylic acid and salicylic acid in willow tree. Though, from what I get, Ulmus don't really need any hormone added to properly root.
I can't do any layering/aerial cuttings since it's a very specific tree far away from where I'm living.
As for the weed thing, for me a weed is a plant I don't want, so that doesn't apply to this plant I obviously want.
By the way, I'm kind of surprised you consider Field Elm (Ulmus minor) to be a weed : with Dutch elm disease, they've almost gone extinct.
I think that's the main reason I don't find a lot on people cloning it for their garden, while there are more things about Ulmus parvifolia since it's used a lot in bonsai. So I mostly take my info from Ulmus parvifolia, hoping there's no big differences between these two varieties regarding cuttings (as it sometimes happens)
>>780632
they probably don't but it'll increase the chances that it'll root, they usually grow next to water anyway, so they should be adapted to deal with root rot.
it's pretty common here, no idea what makes you think it's almost gone extinct.
>>780654
bit rude desu
>>780642
For me, it was aphids, but the picture quality doesn't really let me see. A macro/closer look would be great. Fungus gnats aren't really on leaves (except when they "temporally" land on it), they're rather on and in soil.
>>780638
From what I've read, most resistant hybrids come from the Netherlands, since it was here that disease was first identified and most researches took place.
I'm in France. From what I've read again, Ulmus (as a whole, so Minor, Laevis, ...) were a common specie until the 20th century, then it is estimated 90% of the population died due to Dutch elm disease. By example, there were a lot of it in Normandy (2 millions of trees, second in rank after oak), then now, you're lucky if you find one. In a general and very subjective point of view, since I like this tree I notice it when I see one, and it's rather rare.
There are a lot of researches going nowadays, trying both to find resistant hybrid varieties and to save local varieties.
>>780675
I already figured that the disease was first identified here, hence why it's strange that our native population is doing relatively'fine'.
I've never been a fan of them, they always look like shit due to their soft wood, much like a willow, they're the first trees to fall during a storm.
>>780680
That's what I was reading too!
>>780684 I believe Alberta is disease free, but it seems to me Manitoba wasn't.
>>780682
It's not that strange if you consider researches were stronger there.
All in all, about tastes, to each his or her own I guess.
>>780694
the netherlands is the leading country in horticulture.
I don't think it has that much to do with taste and more with rarity, I tend to go after plants that are considered rare or weird as well.
>>780725
People like you are the reason I'm not trip-/namefagging myself and instead go through the hassle of mentioning over and over again that I'm the German Upper Rhinelander whenever location information is necessary (for example follow-ups to earlier posts, climatic conditions and shit)
I don't want to be harassed for posts I made in 2014 or so, so I keep it anonymous whenever possible.
Also it's kind of childish to hold grudges for that long on a board like this.
Sure I too had my disagreements with bugguy/plont a couple months ago when it came to the definition of what is a garden or a farm, but not being a 16 year old impulsive child any more (unlike you appear to be), I settled with agreeing to disagree with his position and that was it, allowing myself to keep up other, unrelated yet fruitful discussion with him.
Just because you disagree with someone in a certain topic, doesn't mean you have to go all angry about it for years, you'll eventually grow out of your edgy phase too.
>>780728
>>780729
>>780737
All there needs to be is an negative post and you can report it and it will be gone. Bugguy's posts have been reported and were deleted many months back as well.
Now STFU and talk about gardening & farming or GTFO.
Please help identify the one on the left. Bretty sure the one on the right is a tomato bud idk how these got here in the first place.
>>780426
>>780503
I guess I'm fucked then and better off using the limited space on something else. I was going to try for 8-10 inches but oh well.
>>780766
Raddish
>>780828
Well I did plant onions in this pot so maybe I got some mixed seeds. Thanks
>>780828
>radish
Nah, at least mine looked different in seedling state, the cotyledons looked way different, more heart-shaped and of reddish colour
>>780836
Guess I'll find out in a week or two.
>>780766
You can try it at 8". What you'll most likely get is reduced yield per plant, but you'll still get corn. I'm going to suggest a row/plant spacing pattern that is more complex than just a grid or normal rows:
Say you want no two plants to be closer than X inches/cm apart.
Your rows will be spaced at X/2 in/cm apart
Your plants within the row will be 7/4 X in/cm apart. (It's actually 1.73X, but you are playing in the dirt here. 7/4 is more than precise enough.)
Your first plant in the first row will start at 0. The first plant in the second row will start at a 7/8 X offset from the first row, your first plant in the 3rd row at 9, etc..., so that the plants are staggered from row to row.
If you lay this out correctly, it will literally be a 20%, give or take, more efficient planting pattern than just a plain old grid. That means that you can fit more plants into the same space.
Pic related gives you the idea, though it was calculated in a different way than I calculated it.
For 8" equidistant planting, your row spacing would be 4", your plant spacing within rows would be 14", and your offset from one row to the next would be 7"
>>780936
*3rd row at 0
>>780836
Depends on the on cultivar. I've not seen a red radish in years. But, they are more deeply lobed to heart shaped, that is true.
>>780936
Thanks for the advice! Since I have a lot of other things I know will grow well, I'll crowd the corn and see the results later; good or bad.
>>781017
No problem. I planted mine closer than the 16" figure I gave you this year (12") to see what would happen. But I also planted something like 450 or 500 seeds. Most emerged, but I have creeping spurge that is trying to take over. It will lose. I have so much corn that I've been breeding to do well here and so many volunteer tepary beans in there that it doesn't stand a chance.
Unfortunately, about 15% of it also has Bermuda grass that moved in. It will supposedly not do well with tightly planted corn. If this is true, which I think it makes sense, I'm going to plant winter rye there this fall to choke what remains out next spring.
FYI, if you've never dealt with Bermuda in an area that you can't spray the fuck out of, it fucking sucks balls. I've dealt with some fucked up weeds, but Bermuda is straight up evil. It's like it reads the Koran or some shit.
>>781017
Oh, and if you want the functional difference between the way the equidistant planting was calculated between myself and that pic, rotate that pic by 90 degrees.
>>780744
it's funny because I went to sleep after posting >>780697
my Solanum dulcamara finally has flowers, it's one of my favourite vines even though it's considered an invasive weed, I like how it's able to form new shoots any part of it's roots.
>>780408
finally managed to take a picture of the T. porrifolius that I collected.
it's annoying to take pictures of them because it's flower is only open during the early morning and I'm not much of a morning person.
>>781046
also my Nicandra physalodes seeds finally sprouted.
Can anyone identify this? It grows like a vine and sprouts upwards. I live in New Zealand, Cheers.
What is the absolute lowest-maintenance vegetable that I could possibly grow?
Here's my lawn. It's mostly flattened strawberries. And other neglect.
>>776749
That is some fine st.augustine lawn you have there.
>>781063
Any leafy green. Spinach, cabbage, lettuce, etc.
>>781089
So what DO I need to do? Never gardened before.
Just water it and pluck weeds if I see them and that's it?
>>781097
More or less. If your soils not great you'll get less but you'll still get some. I'm about to thin some spinach right now actually. I just tossed some seeds in an area and watered half assedly. In gonna throw a few more in the empty patched in a few days.
Clovers doing fine. Why do I like trifoliate leaves so much?
Also, I'm pretty sure I grabbed several distinct species when I took the cuttings, because there's some with red stems, violet flowers, yellow flowers, and now there's one here with oval instead of heart-shaped leaves so I can't tell if I also mixed up some actual Trifolium in with the Oxalis and whatever else. If so, that's great.
>>781137
get yourself some deervetches if you like the look of clover-like leaves so much.
their flowers are far superior to clovers as well.
>>781022
>Bermuda grass
Shit yeah I've dealt with that before. Luckily I don't have to now since it's non existent here and I'm growing everything in containers; making weeds/grass easy to control.
For experimental purposes I'm growing my corn and average if 8" apart since I'm using special snowflake soil and micro managed (greenhouse)conditions. Either way, It's no loss to me.
what is the most absorbent, moistest plant?
>>781316
sphagnum.
>>781321
>sphagnum
o nice,.. sphagnum looks cute
>>781313
>and average
*an
>>781322
it's a bit boring.
>>781344
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>>781306
My goodness they're very nice, I'd love to get some. After a very shallow Google search, it seems to come mostly in very large amounts... I'll search some more.
Tiny flower!
>>781393
I usually find them on neglected parking lots.
look for well-draining soil, i.e sand and gravel.
>>781399
I'm not sure I can find them here, but then again nobody mentions Puerto Rico on anything so I can never find any plant info for this place.
There's one species of deer vetch here though that might be found here. Gonna look for it.
>>781410
it's only a matter of time before it starts popping up there.
>>781391
Noice bants m8. I'm using an old shitty camera desu
>>781418
>Puerto Rico just outside of the picture
wew
And now to wait patiently.
Not home at the moment, have a spider.
>>781433
tape a magnifying glass to it.
>>781434
I'm waiting patiently for my camera to charge, then I'm off looking for Huperzia selago.
found an old report of a population nearby, going to check if it's still there.
Anyone else frustrated with the good eyesight and zig-zag flight of cabbage moths? These guys are a pain to catch. I'm going to have to get a butterfly net.
How did my zucchini become so fat and overgown randomly? It was tiny only yesterday
>>781456
maybe it started browsing tumblr
>>781456
has there been any significant change in temperature? moisture levels?
>>781462
Not really but I did set up drip irrigation last week maybe I should lower the drip? Idk but ive its absolutely impossible to keep up with two huge zucchini plants
>>781437
couldn't find it, found some other plants though.
>>781493
it's always nice to see lupines.
>>778005
Have you cut that sage at some point? Mine just grows higher and higher without gaining much width
>>778428
Looking good
>>780272
Nice
So after about two to four months the avocado sprouted at the bottom. I already asked this two weeks ago when I saw a massive split at the bottom whether I should turn the entire thing around or leave it.
I was told to leave it, is that still the case? Wouldn't it be better for the little thing to not go all it's way around the seed in the water?
Is there a good guide on when to plant seeds for certain crops?
>>781563
I'm not sure I understand. That looks acceptable. They can spit open a lot and it's fine.
>>781563
Just leave it, the white part is the root, after it grows a little the top will crack and the tree part will grow out
>>781578
Burpee tells you how and when to plant everything for your zone
>>781587
Thank you very much
>>780828
Nah, pic is the one from cutting, also see >>776125
tl;dr don't cultivate it indoors, too little light
Anyone know what this plant is? Found it in the woods behind my house and I want to know if I can move it without killing it.
>>781753
vinca, periwinkle
>>781753
Looks like Vinca species, probably Vinca minor if you're in Western Europe
Pic one in my garden constantly growing out from below my Lonicera shrubs, I have to constantly remove that stuff
>>776749
boring
>>781757
>yet another meadow hippie
>>777918
underestimating the biodiversity of forests.
>>781756
Then again we have also Vinca major growing wild here, but the flower looks somewhat different
>>781762
>biodiversity of forests
This is maybe true for (sub)tropical rainforests, but not for temperate broadleaf ones
See >>780754 and >>778005
If you let "nature do it's thing", you'll end up with 2 species, if you maintain your garden, you'll have 100+
>>781795
Well, how many species are growing there that you can name? Is there only one dominant tree type or several ones? Is the undergrowth just ivy or is there more to it?
>>781807
Is saying that name not allowed now?
Ceropegia tubers are awesome.
Who /nospring/ here? Just started harvesting my spinach and Arugula this week and today I noticed a couple plants were already bolting thanks to the mid 80 degree weather we've been having.
>>781811
Weather has been weird here lately. May is now officially over, and after very mild November, December, above-average January and February but cool March and April, May was slightly above-average again yet very moist with quite a few thunderstorms
>>781498
Those also grow naturally here but they haven't flowered yet.
>>781811
>>781819
None to speak of here. Although our spring is usually awful
>>781917
Here's more OC to make this thread better
>>781931
>post actual non-tumblr oc
>get mistaken for a tripfag
y-you to
faggot
I bought a sweet potato at the store, and it ended up REALLY sprouting. It's got a stem that's two or three inches long with leaves on it.
I'm planning on putting it in the ground, but should I put the whole potato in the ground, or just cut off the chunk with the stem growing out of it?
>>781948
Cut off the chunk
Killing two birds with one stone:
My mom can't bend down to do any normal gardening right now, and I have a shitload of old lumber. She also has a ton of yard waste, mostly in the form of a tree that I cut down, that I was going to have to haul to the dump for her. You know, one of those annoying 16' flatbed trips to the dump. Instead, I have built her a rather large and rather high raised bed for her, and buried wood is good for soil once fungi starts to break it down. It's 13'8" long, 4' wide and 29" high, and all it has cost so far is about $15 for screws and plastic, and she is just going to have to step out the back door to get to it.
The only problem is that I can't get a tractor back to where it is. Aside from the branches, I have to fill it with a wheel barrow and a shovel, which kind of sucks, but that kind of manual labor is good for the body. Moving just under 5 cu-yds that way is always fun.
Anywho, I'll post pics once it is full and has some shit planted in it. The soil should be so-so this year, but it should become friggin' awesome in the years to come.
>>781917
that's my own page, since I'm uploading them there anyway it spares me the hassle of having to resize them myself.
>>782049
the same as most woody plants, it starts growing in width rather than height.
>>781803
The most certainly do have winters.
Also although old growth forest can have suprisingly homogeneous. Most forests are new growth and have a decent amount of space for ground cover. At least that's the case here in maine.
>>782033
Rent a 4wheeler with a hitch and drag a trailer behind it.
